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Bro, Uranus in Aquarius IS the indicator of electronic innovation!

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Given the extreme importance of the Moon in the Gates natal-chart, for the reasons already stated, I'll add (at the risk of derision from the Trads), that in tropical 12/12, Moon in Aries is a "Facilitator" which is how he made his fortune: He made the internet more convenient to use. Aries is Cardinal-Fire, which fits innovation in the field of electronic communication, especially considering (as c.t. pointed out) the "Merc-Mars conjunction in Libra".

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Bro, Uranus in Aquarius IS the indicator of electronic innovation!
Thomas Edison had in tropical Aries. Nicola Tesla had it in sidereal Aries.

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Thomas Edison had in tropical Aries. Nicola Tesla had it in sidereal Aries.
Rudy had in Aquarius and ds had in Leo.
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Rudy had in Aquarius and ds had in Leo.
in Gem, trine in Aqua for ds.
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in Gem, trine in Aqua for ds.
Oh I forgot. in for ds!

Bro how about your wive? Weirs her is in? And is she in the same generation as Bill Gates?
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Oh I forgot. in for ds!

Bro how about your wive? Weirs her is in? And is she in the same generation as Bill Gates?
How are you defining a "generation"?
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Re: Bill Gates

The interrelationships of the planets (aspects) do not change, ever, when switching between tropical and sidereal.
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The interrelationships of the planets (aspects) do not change, ever,
when switching between tropical and sidereal.
when switching between tropical and sidereal
aspects by SIGN aka WHOLE SIGN may - and often do - change
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when switching between tropical and sidereal
aspects by SIGN aka WHOLE SIGN may - and often do - change
Agreed. Completely changed.
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The interrelationships of the planets (aspects) do not change, ever, when switching between tropical and sidereal.
Yo Greybeard what's cracking? Really have trouble down here with unfavorable Mars-Moon conjunction.
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The interrelationships of the planets (aspects) do not change, ever, when switching between tropical and sidereal.
According to Deborah Houlding, the insistence that Aspects have to be strictly "in-sign" is Modern, not Traditional.

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According to Deborah Houlding, the insistence that Aspects have to be strictly "in-sign" is Modern, not Traditional.
It's Hellenistic, not modern.

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It's Hellenistic, not modern.

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I think she meant medieval astrology. Moderns must have picked it up from Hellenistic.
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I think she meant medieval astrology. Moderns must have picked it up from Hellenistic.
No, it was from Babylonia!
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No, it was from Babylonia!
From the Tower of Babel!
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I'm with Greybeard on this one. I go with the geometry despite Element or Modality.
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Re: Bill Gates

ds, do you know who are his lawyers (and their birth chart)? Historically speaking, he straight up robbed Steve Job's inventions and innovations.
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ds, do you know who are his lawyers (and their birth chart)? Historically speaking, he straight up robbed Steve Job's inventions and innovations.
I don't know the details of that, but something similar happened with Edison and Tesla.
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Re: Bill Gates

Aspects do not have to be in-sign. Cross-sign aspects can be very potent.

Bobby Fischer's chart provides an interesting case for study.

Uranus in early Gemini squares Mercury in late Aquarius when measured by angle of separation, but the two planets are in trine by sign.
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Re: Bill Gates

The only difference between the sidereal and tropical zodiacs is 2408'. The interrelationships of the planets (aspects) do not change at all. Their angular distance to meridian and ascendant remains the same.

0 Aries 00 tropical is 5 Pisces 52 sidereal....248' of difference. That's the only difference at all in the two...248'. Nothing else changes...well, the rulerships of course, no minor point.

But in regard to aspects and the orientation of planets to angles, nothing changes.

So why not choose one or the other and stick with it?

I think that in some ancient scroll it says that a man can't serve two masters. Seems to me that bouncing back and forth between zodiacs would tend to breed confusion and indecision.

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Re: Bill Gates

Good chart for comparing sidereal against tropical.

Here's why:
Moon is supreme in this chart. Lord of the Ascendant, elevated (only 323 from MC), handle planet of a striking bucket pattern.... The chart pattern is "single-minded", and Moon shows where that one-pointedness is directed.

With such a predominant Moon you should be able to discern between Pisces and Aries.
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The only difference between the sidereal and tropical zodiacs is 2408'. The interrelationships of the planets (aspects) do not change at all. Their angular distance to meridian and ascendant remains the same.

0 Aries 00 tropical is 5 Pisces 52 sidereal....248' of difference. That's the only difference at all in the two...248'. Nothing else changes...well, the rulerships of course, no minor point.

But in regard to aspects and the orientation of planets to angles, nothing changes.

So why not choose one or the other and stick with it?

I think that in some ancient scroll it says that a man can't serve two masters. Seems to me that bouncing back and forth between zodiacs would tend to breed confusion and indecision.
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It was Rudy who characterized him as "greedy", not I.
Now I'm wondering if having the Moon opposite the Moon-sign ruler is an especially callous placement. That's the tropical Aspect.
Here's a real difference in what tropical tells us that sidereal doesn't.
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Re: Bill Gates

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Good chart for comparing sidereal against tropical.

Here's why:
Moon is supreme in this chart. Lord of the Ascendant, elevated (only 323 from MC), handle planet of a striking bucket pattern.... The chart pattern is "single-minded", and Moon shows where that one-pointedness is directed.

With such a predominant Moon you should be able to discern between Pisces and Aries.
There's no certainty as to whose chart is under discussion
Here's why:

Ascendant is extremely time sensitive
and
rating of the reliability of the source of official time of birth
is a Rodden Rating of "A"

NOT "AA"
"AA" is the most accurate rating
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Help:RR


"A" rating = Data as quoted by the person, kin, friend, or associate.
These data all come from someone's memory
family legend, or hearsay.

The quote may be substantiated by a qualifying statement such as
"My grandfather wanted me to be born on his birthday
and my mother said that I almost made it.
I was born three minutes before midnight."
When the information comes from an astrologer's client
it is considered reliable, since a client is investing money
for the astrologer's time and expertise.
When the quote is from a public figure given in public
it may be questionable.
Please keep in mind that public figures, especially politicians
answer a question in public to be accommodating
therefore, the time given may not be accurate.
When the quote is from one of a group of people who were asked casually,
it might be questionable.
Rounded-off time such as 6 AM or midnight might also be questionable.


regarding this particular chart
the time of Bills natal is definitely rounded up
or rounded down to exactly 22:00
AND
IS FROM MEMORY
so could be even more off - perhaps by hours
chart is unreliable
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Re: Bill Gates

Neptune is conjunct the Sun so there must be some susceptibility to belief in better living through chemistry. A belief in big pharma in a person working in technology is not uncommon, they would be socially and professionally disposed to trust the advice of institutionally educated peers. He has this Mercury-Mars connection in Libra, I cannot see him firmly breaking with advisors, Gemini south node. Maybe if he'd not dropped out he would have the intellectual tools to ask better questions of them, North node in Sagittarius.
Venus in Scorpio with Saturn is sitting on it, I bet he is always craving that kind of institutional legitimacy or approval no matter what his achievements due to some kind of bad feeling about himself. (The energy in that Venus-Saturn square to Jupiter-Pluto seems amazing.)
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