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BILL GATES - Natal - for specifically SIDEREAL discussion





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Yes sir! The image of the rising was favorable as you said. But the Saturn square to fortune though.
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Yes sir! The image of the rising was favorable as you said.
But the Saturn square to fortune though.
fortune location is interesting

fortune in another few seconds would have been AQUARIUS

i.e.
timing is crucial
fortune is extremely time sensitive
so
I checked the rating of the reliability of the source of official time of birth
and
found a Rodden Rating of "A"
NOT "AA"
"AA" is the most accurate rating
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Help:RR


"A" rating = Data as quoted by the person, kin, friend, or associate.
These data all come from someone's memory
family legend, or hearsay.
The quote may be substantiated by a qualifying statement such as
"My grandfather wanted me to be born on his birthday
and my mother said that I almost made it.
I was born three minutes before midnight."
When the information comes from an astrologer's client
it is considered reliable, since a client is investing money
for the astrologer's time and expertise.
When the quote is from a public figure given in public
it may be questionable.
Please keep in mind that public figures, especially politicians
answer a question in public to be accommodating
therefore, the time given may not be accurate.
When the quote is from one of a group of people who were asked casually,
it might be questionable.
Rounded-off time such as 6 AM or midnight might also be questionable.
regarding this particular chart

thus

the time of Bills natal is definitely rounded up
or rounded down to exactly 22:00
BUT IS FROM MEMORY
so could be even more off - perhaps by hours
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Wow Thanks! Didn't pay too much attention to Roden rating. But the Daimon would be (at least) in the same sign, isn't 11th sign from Daimon an indicator of wealth too, Jupiter? I read this on "Distinguished Person relative to the Fortune and Daimon" section.

ps: Jupiter, may I inquire free text about Primary Direction? Except (you know) from Martin Gansten, already have the copy of it.
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Wow Thanks! Didn't pay too much attention to Roden rating.
But the Daimon would be (at least) in the same sign, isn't 11th sign from Daimon an indicator of wealth too, Jupiter?

I read this on "Distinguished Person relative to the Fortune and Daimon" section.
IF fortune is Aquarius
then
11th from fortune
is Jupiters domicile SAGITTARIUS
Jupiter located 2nd sign in Leo

however
generalisation is fun but unreliable
perhaps apply petosiris recommendation
of THRASYLLUS RECTIFICATION METHOD - is on another thread
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ps: Jupiter, may I inquire free text about Primary Direction?
Except (you know) from Martin Gansten, already have the copy of it.
Sun,

Martin Gansten text is legendary
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Re: BILL GATES - Natal - for specifically SIDEREAL discussion

Jupiter,

Sidereal measurement always looking universaly great, no doubt! However, whole sign model should be combined with quadrant house because logically speaking, the planet's angularity are far MORE important then the Sign alone. Valens himself talked about the quadrant when he said he count the distance of rising to either MC and IC, then alloted 1/3 of the distance for planet's angularity. Morin did elaborate on this however the literature industry are unreliable greedy organizations.

So, mr Gate's Saturn and Venus were in the 5th house Libra. Or am I mistaken about this procedure?
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Jupiter,

Sidereal measurement always looking universaly great, no doubt! However, whole sign model should be combined with quadrant house because logically speaking, the planet's angularity are far MORE important then the Sign alone. Valens himself talked about the quadrant when he said he count the distance of rising to either MC and IC, then alloted 1/3 of the distance for planet's angularity. Morin did elaborate on this however the literature industry are unreliable greedy organizations.

So, mr Gate's Saturn and Venus were in the 5th house Libra. Or am I mistaken about this procedure?
Sun,


The FOUR ANGLES = ASC/DESC/IC/MC

The four ANGULAR HOUSES = 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th


when using WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
IC/MC are not always located in ANGULAR HOUSES
nevertheless
IC/MC are always ANGULAR

fact is:

Bills official time of birth is from memory and therefore unreliable

chart illustration on this particular thread
shows Bills 4th ANGULAR HOUSE as LIBRA
with Bills SUN, VENUS, SATURN assembly in 4th ANGULAR HOUSE in LIBRA

meanwhile
Bills IC is in THIRD CADENT WHOLE SIGN HOUSE

keep in mind that IC is always ANGULAR

and so
Bills Mars Mercury assembly is located ANGULARLY relevant to the FOUR ANGLES
and is also cadent in 3rd relevant to HOUSES
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Re: BILL GATES - Natal - for specifically SIDEREAL discussion

Understood now for why you empesize Sagittarius is 11th sign from lot of fortune, Jupiter set to rise in Primary Direction. I think we don't have to rectify the chart because Gates himself did not give s*** about what we're doing here. However, it's good to learn new things.
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Understood now for why you empesize Sagittarius is 11th sign from lot of fortune,

Jupiter set to rise in Primary Direction.
I think we don't have to rectify the chart
because Gates himself did not give s*** about what we're doing here.
However, it's good to learn new things.
Nevertheless the timing of Gates chart is unreliable

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Time is one of the more unreliable ways to set up the Ascendant.

Ptolemy noted the inaccuracy of solar gnomons and water clocks
of the more careful practitioners of his time,
think about how clocks in hospitals can also just be off by a few minutes
even with near immediate record
(I am not saying they are as unreliable, though they can have the same flaws to some degree).
Ptolemy recommended an astrolabe
which can be set up to show Ascendant degree
(emphasizing direct observation by astronomy than chronometry)
and also a rectification method
(emphasizing astrology rather than relying solely on
the "4th hour of the day on the second day of Thoth"
which many surviving horoscopes have).
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Nevertheless the timing of Gates chart is unreliable
Yes, that is my point, Jupiter.
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