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Unread 10-20-2015, 12:06 AM
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Re: An Introduction to Planetary Dignity and Debility

Well, I've been reading on this for over a week and trying to understand it. I'm still in a bit of a conundrum. There's plenty more to figure out. I have lots of questions.

I have the following:
Saturn in Libra - exalted - in the 12th house - Does the placement cancel the exaltation?
Jupiter in Libra - peregrine - in the 12th house - Does this exalt it?

Pluto in Libra - in Fall - in the 12th house - Is this Double Debility
Sun in Libra - in Fall - in the 12th house
Mercury in Libra Retro - peregrine - in the 12th house - Is this debilitated b/c of the house? Does the Retro mean it's debilitated as well? I read that somewhere

These are all square my Moon which is in detriment in Capricorn in the 3rd house. Yikes! Getting worse

Lastly, I have Venus in Scorpio - detriment - at the same degree as Uranus in Scorpio (exalted) in 1st house

So does this mean that Saturn or Jupiter is leading my stellium? Which energies would I use to direct all my confused & debilitated planets?

How would Uranus help Venus in this situation? For example, I honestly have difficulty with this energy. It seems like I am always wanting to bolt in my relationships when things get difficult. It is definitely not helping so far.

Thanks for any input!
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Unread 10-20-2015, 03:43 AM
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Re: An Introduction to Planetary Dignity and Debility

Hey BlueAngel,

Let me go through your questions...

1. Saturn is in Libra so is exalted no matter what. He may be cadent but he traditonally joys in the 12th so he benefits from being here. He is also in a diurnal sign in a diurnal chart, above the horizon and is Triplicity ruler of Air by day. So this a Saturn that will do you good. He is also the malefic of the sect (day chart) so he would be less of nuisance to you than would be the case if you born at night.

2. Depending on who you ask, Jupiter is not peregrine in your chart. This is because he is participating Triplicity ruler of air so his placement in Aquarius, Libra and Gemini (his detriment) would lend him some essential dignity. His placement in the 12th will not exalt him but he is in a diurnal planet in a diurnal sign so he gets a plus for that. He is also in a sign of a sect mate (Saturn exaltation) which is seen as a good thing. He is the benefic of the sect so he is the one who would look to to provide most of the benevolence.


3. Sun is in his fall and in the cadent 12th - start. He however is configured to An exalted Saturn and if you read in the previous pages of this thread, a debilitated planet will be "uplifted" so to speak if conjunct an exalted planet (best) or domicile planet (good). Bare in mind that he is in a masculine sign and also with his sect mates in a diurnal chart. This is a Sun who has a lot of help.

4. I don't subscribe to the view that the outers have any dignities/debilities. Pluto is cadent in the 12th though so is accidentally debilitated.

5. The chart you have up shows a Mercury in Scorpio. He is an evening star (rises after the sun) so is classified as nocturnal. Hence, he is out of sect. Add to that he is retrograde so not looking so hot. He is in a feminine sign and in the sign of his sect mate (Mars is a nocturnal planet) so that shifts the balance toward some positivity. He is also angular (conjunct the ascendant by 3 degrees) so will make his presence felt in your life. 1st house has to do with your personality so I expect you to have some mercurial traits (some of the troublesome ones too seeing Mercury's state).

6. The way you behave in relationships does have something to do with Venus' state, imo. She is out of sect, in her detriment and rules the 7th house so will definitely have a bearing on how that area of life pans out. She does have some positives though as she is in a feminine sign (Scorpio), in the sign of a sect mate (Mars), in the nocturnal hemisphere of the chart (below the horizon in the day) as well as occidental to the sun (rising after the sun) which she prefers. She is also the Triplicity ruler of water by day going by the dorothean triplicities so she is qualitatively very mixed in her dignities. Throw in her angularity and her naturally benefic status and I don't see her as a bad girl at all in your chart. The detriment will make itself known though.

What may be the actual culprit is not only the partile conjunction from Uranus who is the modern planet of instability and sudden changes but also Mars right up there on the MC.

He is the out of sect Malefic so will be more troublesome in the daytime. He is none of dignities or debilities so is peregrine. He is angular and oriental to the Sun so is powerful for good or ill. He squares your Venus from the 10th sign from Scorpio (dominating square) so will be the "stronger" in the relationship. As the traditional ruler of instability, severance, and divorce his aspect to Venus will cause his cutting nature to affect Venus things and the areas she rules in your chart. Venus as the general significator of relationships as well as ruler of the 7th paints a clear picture. Mercury who also has a destabilizing influence plays an important role in your situation too.

Shows that you have the ability to break of relationships quite easy, maybe too easy and the fixed signs show that it is because you don't want to compromise. If you are to have a successful relationship you will have to go through all that difficulty and shitty times, perhaps you'll be willing to do that when you find someone that's worth it.
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Re: An Introduction to Planetary Dignity and Debility

First, thank you so much for such a thorough answer! This has been very helpful! I guess I thought of my Mars in Leo as a good motivator in my chart; I didn't realize that he was such a culprit in my relationships. Guess the square to Venus should have caught my eye

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So this a Saturn that will do you good. He is also the malefic of the sect (day chart) so he would be less of nuisance to you than would be the case if you born at night.
What do you mean by malefic in this instance? How can he be a "bad" influence if he is exalted/doing me good?

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He is also angular (conjunct the ascendant by 3 degrees) so will make his presence felt in your life. 1st house has to do with your personality so I expect you to have some mercurial traits (some of the troublesome ones too seeing Mercury's state).
How might he make his presence known? So far, I've just had to deal with being a chatterbox, racing thoughts, insomnia which I've associated with mercury of late. AKA ADD/ADHD symptoms.

Thanks so much again!
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Re: An Introduction to Planetary Dignity and Debility

No problem. He (Saturn) is regarded as the greater malefic so I'm really referring to him by his "title". However, that doesn't mean he will be malefic all the time in every chart out there. Yours for example is a case of "good" Saturn.

All those things you listed is some of the ways Merc has manifested in your
Life. Would you say that these traits hamper your life in some ways?
Would you also describe yourself as argumentative? Mars also squares your Mercury by sign, so I'm curious.
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No problem. He (Saturn) is regarded as the greater malefic so I'm really referring to him by his "title". However, that doesn't mean he will be malefic all the time in every chart out there. Yours for example is a case of "good" Saturn.
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up I'll have to do some more reading on "him."


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All those things you listed is some of the ways Merc has manifested in your Life.
Would you say that these traits hamper your life in some ways?
Would you also describe yourself as argumentative? Mars also squares your Mercury by sign, so I'm curious.
The greatest issue I have with my 12th house stellium in general is being misunderstood. Having Mercury retro in Scorpio means I need a lot of introspective time to wade through my "emotions" so that I can communicate thoroughly. It's not that I am not a good communicator; I'm actually very good once I begin speaking. The problem lies with the amount of energy/time I need to invest to know my own mind so to speak.

I do have a knee jerk habit of interrupting/having a wandering mind as well that I have been trying to conquer for years. That can get really embarrassing but it's not that hampering. It challenges me to be a better listener.

The Mars/Mercury combo mainly gives me a great deal of energy (sometimes restless) and it lends a creative/theatrical flair when I'm telling a story. I can be very animated in a group. I used to be a drama nerd and I was on the debate team. But I HATE conflict so arguing is really not a problem for me. I'll bicker or pull devil's advocate for fun regularly; this can get irritating for others depending on the person. I have a great deal of Libran & Piscean influence in my chart that tempers the more abrasive qualities of the combo. I am rarely without tact, kindness or patience. Once my patience has run out however, I do have a hot temper - my Scorpio/Leo qualities definitely surface then. I rarely get that angry so it is always a surprise even to me

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Re: An Introduction to Planetary Dignity and Debility

I am still confused about peregrine planets. She is peregrine if in the sign where she is there is no area where she rules/is dignified (or debilitated)/has term or face OR she simply does not touch any point she rules/has term or face? I assumed the latter. In this case in my mother's chart for example ALL her planets are peregrine and that can't be right??
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I am still confused about peregrine planets. She is peregrine if in the sign where she is there is no area where she rules/is dignified (or debilitated)/has term or face OR she simply does not touch any point she rules/has term or face? I assumed the latter. In this case in my mother's chart for example ALL her planets are peregrine and that can't be right??
It is not unusual for all natal planets to have peregrine status
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