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I think it's like someone who has the opportunity to learn about their personality, their career, their money, whether or not they will live in another country, etc. and they end up asking about other people. I see it as someone not focusing on what they should be.
A lot of people do ask and focus on those things; you can just look at the front page of the sub-forum we're in to see that. And some people already have those figured out or don't see making a ton of money or traveling as important as relationships/love. Perhaps those areas may become more important to them later on. In any case, those areas of life may be what you or others see as the most important areas of life, but that's just in your view, your perspective, which are colored by the factors in your chart. Using astrology we can see people will have different outlooks and priorities in life.

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A lot of people do ask and focus on those things; you can just look at the front page of the sub-forum we're in to see that. And some people already have those figured out or don't see making a ton of money or traveling as important as relationships/love. Perhaps those areas may become more important to them later on. In any case, those areas of life may be what you or others see as the most important areas of life, but that's just in your view, your perspective, which are colored by the factors in your chart. Using astrology we can see people will have different outlooks and priorities in life.
Yeah, I completely get that. The only reason I made this thread was because of my views and opinions.
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It truly baffles me how many people get into astrology only asking for relationship and love advice. Is it because people need to be reassured so they look up things like astrology on the internet? People don't tend to have the necessity of reassurement when they're talking about their money or their personality, but once it comes down to others, to people they don't know fully... they do.

Is that it? I believe it's more important to know yourself before you get into things like relationships, don't you think?


Anyway I tend to rant and criticize a lot. That sparks my curiositiy, anything you see in my chart that makes me do that all the time? I think I like to bring up controversy because it makes everything less boring. I know this is related to Mercury but how would exactly a Pisces Mercury want to stir up controversy?

Men tend to ask me for career advice more. As for looking at charts to determine who may be on the horizon for love and marriage, that is understandable as many feel this sort of thing is fated and it can be. However nothing is set in stone and we can only give guidance and the probable outcomes and options.

Your placements in Aquarius including Uranus in the 7th would account for your controversial ideas about partnerships and the use of astrology.
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Am I the only person who doesn't see the controversy in Jollyzal's question?
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Am I the only person who doesn't see the controversy in Jollyzal's question?
I don't see it either, my friend. I just criticize people a lot that's it.
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I don't see it either, my friend. I just criticize people a lot that's it.
My view is that you simply prioritize self-actualization over relationships. Some people, probably not the ones who tend to congregate on these sites, are like that.
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I think it's like someone who has the opportunity to learn about their personality, their career, their money, whether or not they will live in another country, etc. and they end up asking about other people. I see it as someone not focusing on what they should be.
And you are the arbiter of what they 'should' be concerned with?
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And you are the arbiter of what they 'should' be concerned with?
That's kind of part of my personality. I know I'm not, but no one is stopping me from speaking my mind.
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That's kind of part of my personality. I know I'm not, but no one is stopping me from speaking my mind.
I get that it is part of your personality. And it is totally fine to speak your mind. Just note that others might speak theirs if they think you are judging them for what they value or prioritize.

You have Venus in Taurus in the 10th. So you may highly value career/power and skills/ambitions. That Venus is denying/disconnected from the Moon in Libra. Emotionally, you cannot see why someone would choose Libra over Taurus, OR relationships over personal goals/values. It makes no sense to you so you question it and say they 'should not' do so. But for some, wealth and success would mean nothing if they were alone and unloved.


I have Venus , the ruler of my Taurus ascendant, in my 7th. So to me, relationships come first.
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I get that it is part of your personality. And it is totally fine to speak your mind. Just note that others might speak theirs if they think you are judging them for what they value or prioritize.

You have Venus in Taurus in the 10th. So you may highly value career/power and skills/ambitions. That Venus is denying/disconnected from the Moon in Libra. Emotionally, you cannot see why someone would choose Libra over Taurus, OR relationships over personal goals/values. It makes no sense to you so you question it and say they 'should not' do so. But for some, wealth and success would mean nothing if they were alone and unloved.


I have Venus , the ruler of my Taurus ascendant, in my 7th. So to me, relationships come first.

That's a very good interpretation of my Moon in Libra and Venus in Taurus! I really feel like one's needs and income comes first and THEN relationships. Do you think this weak quincunx has entirely have to do with this or any other thing you can see in my natal chart? And do you think it's a bad aspect? I don't feel like it's afflicting my Moon or Venus to be honest.
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That's a very good interpretation of my Moon in Libra and Venus in Taurus! I really feel like one's needs and income comes first and THEN relationships. Do you think this weak quincunx has entirely have to do with this or any other thing you can see in my natal chart? And do you think it's a bad aspect? I don't feel like it's afflicting my Moon or Venus to be honest.
One of the most important things that my long time Astrology teacher taught me was that something has to be indicated THREE TIMES in the chart before it is significant.

So the weak quincunx between Moon and Venus, in the Venus ruled signs, would need other similar aspects and placements to signify this same thing. And I think others have correctly identified them in posts upstream.

I don't think it's a bad aspect. Quincunxes are most aggravating/troublesome when the native wants BOTH things to be true at the same time. For example, if you truly, strongly desired an emotional, committed relationship and yet were really busy with a powerful career, that would be difficult. But if you choose one side of the quincunx, then it is not so difficult. Often people alternate their focus. So perhaps, after you build up your bankroll, you may go on a leave of absence from your job and devote time to a loved relationship? Maybe, who knows? lol
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I feel like love is the unconscious motivation generally on this planet.

Love strengthens and energizes, and it is from this state of appreciation that creation can happen.
I think everyone is looking for internal wholeness, and relationships with others is a good way to (temporarily) achieve that wholeness.

When one is the object of anothers affection and attention, one feels oneself returning to ones natural state of appreciation and oneness, albeit through a middleman. Essentially, a projection is happening, and therefore learning about another is the same as learning about oneself, and one feels as a reaction to the feelings of another.

Many people are unconsciously experiencing life in this manner---as a reaction to another, instead of through their own creative energy. Many are living a conditional life!

With enough frustration in relationships when one simply can't make another hold one as the object of their attention, one may drop that act altogether and learn to find that appreciation within.
This would be when one begins to live from a state of unconditional love---when regardless of the conditions, one is in a state of appreciation.


I think that we're all on this path, some are just faster than others for various reasons, and that's perfectly ok.

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North Node in Leo, 1st house may also have something to do with it.
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@Jolly is your Mercury stationing direct? That will strengthen it greatly if so.
I don't know actually. How do you know if it's SR or SD?
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I don't know actually.

How do you know if it's SR or SD?

The literally identical question was previously asked by member julian
who conveniently enough has literally the identical natal chart
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...92&postcount=2
and was answered indubitably by the following post


i.e.
Mercury stationed on 2 April 1999 at 02:58AM
Mercury then went direct on 2 April 1999 at 03:19AM

therefore
since jollyzals natal chart
AND julians natal chart
are BOTH dated 1 April 1999 with a time of birth 1:21PM

then
jollyzals natal chart AND julians natal chart BOTH have a retrograde Mercury
and NOT a stationary direct Mercury

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Since Jupiter answered your question, you can read this article to get more acquainted with what Stationary direct means for a planet.

http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/?p=1100&
http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/?p=20

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The literally identical question was previously asked by member julian
who conveniently enough has literally the identical natal chart
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...92&postcount=2
and was answered indubitably by the following post


i.e.
Mercury stationed on 2 April 1999 at 02:58AM
Mercury then went direct on 2 April 1999 at 03:19AM

therefore
since jollyzals natal chart
AND julians natal chart
are BOTH dated 1 April 1999 with a time of birth 1:21PM

then
jollyzals natal chart AND julians natal chart BOTH have a retrograde Mercury
and NOT a stationary direct Mercury

So there isn't any kind of orb to allow planets to be considered stationary, even if their movement is extremely slow? If not, then that Mercury only stationed for 20 minutes. I know my Mercury is in shambles. If my Sun is the strongest Sun I know, my Mercury is the weakest I know. Well, atleast it's still in sect and in the cusp of a house and ruled by an okay Jupiter I guess.
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This leads me to a topic I don't want to know a lot about, but it's about my life span and death. I think I will live for many years to come. Please I would kindly ask everyone else to not add anything to this specific part of the post, I just felt the need to get my thoughts out.

-Saturn in 10th in a fixed earth sign ruling the 8th and 7th. (It's very weakly opposing Mars however). Even though it's squaring Neptune, this aspect lasted for a good amount of months, meaining we're better off checking other the rest of the chart to have a final statement. HOWEVER, Saturn is in sect and in the 10th house as I said, most likely making him less troublesome and reducing the malefic part of this planet.

-Uranus ruler of 8th is weakly squaring a very strong Mars and solidly squaring Venus in the 10th. This is a mild T-square between three planets in rulership. These planets rule the 8th, the 4th, the 10th, the 5th and the 11th, taking a rather more "profession related" meaning to it, considering the squares are applying to the 10th and 4th.

-Ruler of the 1st (Moon) is conjunct an angle (the IC) therefore indicating a long life. There is a trine to the 8th house and 12th house cusp. It's ruled by a very strong Venus. Trines Uranus ruler of the 8th. Sextiling the cusp of the 2nd and the 1st house through the North Node in Leo, ruled by Sun.

-A very strong Sun conjunct Jupiter and trining Pluto. Jupiter rules 6th. This is a very strong healing capacity (which I've experienced!) Sun-Jup have a weak sextile coming from Uranus ruler of the 8th.

-IC is conjunct Spica (and therefore the Moon which are treated as the same idea indicated by the chart as whole.

My verdict would be a long lifespan with some difficulties. Maybe some health issues, but nothing too bad.

The stronger factors when trying to answer a question through a natal chart are definitely the ones that are more personalized, such as a specific ascendant aspect, a moon aspect, a house aspect, etc. (if it can be applied to less people then better)

And the good thing is here that the "bad" indicators tend to be more general than the good ones. Especially considering the accuracy of the Sun's aspects as well as the Moon's. (Which are always important factors when determining health)


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I think there are other methods to calculate lifespan however. (I believe it was the hayz?)

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So there isn't any kind of orb to allow planets to be considered stationary, even if their movement is extremely slow?
If not, then that Mercury only stationed for 20 minutes.
I know my Mercury is in shambles.
If my Sun is the strongest Sun I know, my Mercury is the weakest I know.
Well, at least it's still in sect and in the cusp of a house and ruled by an okay Jupiter I guess.
An Aries Sun in 10th IS strong but is not in domicile
an Aries Sun is in the home of Mars
and so
A Leo Sun in 10th is arguably stronger because of being at home
i.e. in domicile
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This leads me to a topic I don't want to know a lot about, but it's about my life span and death.
I think I will live for many years to come.
Please I would kindly ask everyone else to not add anything to this specific part of the post,
I just felt the need to get my thoughts out.

-Saturn in 10th in a fixed earth sign ruling the 8th and 7th.
(It's very weakly opposing Mars however).
Even though it's squaring Neptune, this aspect lasted for a good amount of months, meaining we're better off checking other the rest of the chart to have a final statement.
HOWEVER, Saturn is in sect and in the 10th house as I said
most likely making him less troublesome and reducing the malefic part of this planet.

-Uranus ruler of 8th is weakly squaring a very strong Mars and solidly squaring Venus in the 10th.
This is a mild T-square between three planets in rulership.
These planets rule the 8th, the 4th, the 10th, the 5th and the 11th,
taking a rather more "profession related" meaning to it, considering the squares are applying to the 10th and 4th.

-Ruler of the 1st (Moon) is conjunct an angle (the IC) therefore indicating a long life.
There is a trine to the 8th house and 12th house cusp.
It's ruled by a very strong Venus.
Trines Uranus ruler of the 8th. Sextiling the cusp of the 2nd and the 1st house through the North Node in Leo, ruled by Sun.

-A very strong Sun conjunct Jupiter and trining Pluto.
Jupiter rules 6th. This is a very strong healing capacity (which I've experienced!)
Sun-Jup have a weak sextile coming from Uranus ruler of the 8th.

-IC is conjunct Spica (and therefore the Moon which are treated as the same idea indicated by the chart as whole.
conjunction in longitude is not the same as conjunction by latitude and declination
however Spica MAY be in PARANS to your Moon and IC

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My verdict would be a long lifespan with some difficulties.
Maybe some health issues, but nothing too bad.

The stronger factors when trying to answer a question through a natal chart are definitely the ones that are more personalized,
such as a specific ascendant aspect, a moon aspect, a house aspect, etc. (if it can be applied to less people then better)

And the good thing is here that the "bad" indicators tend to be more general than the good ones.
Especially considering the accuracy of the Sun's aspects as well as the Moon's.
(Which are always important factors when determining health)
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I think there are other methods to calculate lifespan however. (I believe it was the hayz?)
Omnisphericus left us with a detailed thread on calculation of lifespan topic http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=46808


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medieval technique of the "Giver of Life" (Hyleg) and the "Giver of Years" (Alcocoden),
which according to the medievals should give the amount of years of life to the native


I will try firstly to give the example of the Hyleg and Alcocoden in the chart of the recently died pop diva Whitney Houston.

But first lets see what is Hyleg and Alcocoden.

Here is what Bernadettte Brady says about H & A:
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The Hyleg is a planet in the chart that fulfils certain conditions. Once found, it
signifies that life is present. Generally the planet’s individual nature does not reflect
on the quality of this life force, but the presence of a Hyleg tells the astrologer that life
is granted to the horoscope. The astrologer will then look for the planet, which has a
certain relationship to the Hyleg, and this planet is called the Alcoccoden. The duty of
the Alcoccoden is to allocate the years or length of life. If there is no Hyleg in a chart,
there can be no Alcoccoden.

So, Hyleg and Alcocoden are showing the Vital Life Force of the native. They show how much years in life do you have according to the 'Esse' or the condition of your body and soul. With the modern medicine it seems out that this Esse is prolonged, but we will see how in the case of Whitney Houston this is almost exact.
If the nativity dies from a serial killer, or a car accident H & A does not count, they do not show the accidents, they show the condition of the body and soul and accordingly how much years one have.

Here is the summary of the planets and points which can be potential Hylegs:

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In Day charts, we’re looking for the:
• Sun above the horizon in a masculine quarter (11th or 10th), or
• Sun above the horizon in a feminine quarter (7th, 9th) in a masculine sign, or
• Moon below the horizon in a feminine quarter (4th, 5th), or
• Moon below the horizon in a masculine quarter (1st, 2nd, 3rd) in a feminine sign

In Night charts, we’re looking for the:
• Moon above the horizon in a feminine quarter (9th, 7th), or
• Moon above the horizon in a masculine quarter (10th, 11th) in a feminine sign, or
• Sun below the horizon in a masculine quarter (1st, 2nd), or
• Sun below the horizon in a feminine quarter (4th or 5th) in a masculine sign


Potential hylegs are the Sun, Moon, Part of Fortune, Asc and SAN. Or instead of using
the PoF, Asc and SAN itself, you are to take the Lord of the place or the Almuten of the
place. Some instructions advise you to look for the Almuten of all these places.
As a general rule, the potential Hyleg must aspect at least one of its dignity rulers.
Ptolemy appears to be the only exception in this, preferring a planet with two or more
dignities and no aspect over a planet in aspect with only one dignity.
Alchabitius rejected the Moon as hyleg if she was under the Sun’s beams. Heliodorus
rejected any planet as hyleg if it was USB (under the sun beams)

The Hyleg is the giver of life. Once it is found, we need to look for the Alcochoden
or giver of years.


(taken from the group Angelicus Merlin).


Lets take the example of Whitney Houston.
Attachment 26865

Her chart is a night chart so we first look for a potential Hyleg in the Moon.
Moon is under the Horizon in a night chart, so it can not be Hyleg.
Then we go to the Sun (in a day chart we first go with the Sun), the Sun is in cadent 6th house so it can not be Hyleg too.
Than we look at the Syzygy, or the last lunation prior the birth. In the Whitney's chart it was a Full Moon prior the birth so the chart is so called Preventional and we take the Pars Fortuna as potential Hyleg.
It is in 4th in Cancer.
We now look at the dispositors to see which dispositor takes the most dignity points at the degree in which the PoF is.
For that reason we take the dignity table, I will use here a table with triplicities according to Dorotheus and terms according to the egiptians.
Domicil ruler takes 5 points, exaltation ruler 4, triplicity ruler 3, term ruler 2 and face ruler 1 point.
Moon, domicil ruler = 5 points
Jupiter exaltation ruler 4 points
Mars, triplicity ruler 3 points
Venus, term ruler 2 points
Venus, face ruler 1 point.

Next we look if the Moon (as having the most points in that degree in which PoF is) is making some classical (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, opposition) aspect to the PoF. She is making a square to the Fortuna but it is in wide orbs (although in the moiety). Jupiter is out of orb. Venus is not in aspect. Mars is making a partile (exact) aspect to the PoF and we will take him instead of the Moon (because it is in partile aspect).

So, Part Of Fortune is a Hyleg in Whitney's chart and Mars is Alcocoden.

Next we look at the years table of the planets potential Alcocodens:
Attachment 26866

We see that the minor years of Mars are 15, Middle Years 40,5 and major years 66.
Mars is angular but in very week sign position (in Exile) so we will take its Middle years (40.5).
Next, we look at the aspects which Mars receives from the benefics and malefics.
If benefic aspects the Alcocoden with Con, sextile or trine adds its minor years as years and its middle years as months, weeks or days (according to the position in which lies).
If Malefic aspects the Alcocoden, subtract from the Alcocoden with its minor years and middle years as months, weeks or days.

Mars is aspecting the other malefic Saturn, but with trine (so this not subtract years because it is benevolent aspect).
Mars is making opposition with Jupiter but out of orb, and with opposition so this does not add to the years.
Mars is making a sextile to Venus and she can add her minor years.
So we add Venus' minor years (8), and her middle years as days (45), because she is cadent and combust. If she was in good position we would add her middle eyars as months.

So we have,
40.5years + 8years + 45 days = 48 years 7 months and 15 days.
Whitney lived 48 years 6 months and 2 days.
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Am I the only person who doesn't see the controversy in Jollyzal's question?
It's not controversial (this idea has been brought up before), but it is off base. Not that it was necessary but earlier I looked through the topics of posts on the first page of this subforum -- 14 percent were about relationships. Second page -- 21 percent. Neither of these numbers are close to 90 percent. The Relational Astrology subforum is also far from the most popular forum here.

Again, if these questions catch a person's attention to the extent that they could be this far off from reality then it suggests that something about intimate relationships bothers them.

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My view is that you simply prioritize self-actualization over relationships. Some people, probably not the ones who tend to congregate on these sites, are like that.
I'm not sure what is meant by self-actualization here but if it's the popular definition, i.e. Maslow (not that his theories aren't problematic), then it doesn't work that way. A person can't reach self-actualization without forming deep relationships of some sort; that's one of its defining characteristics. In addition to being able to accept others as they are...In fact, nothing about this thread indicates a moving to self-actualization.

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I don't see [controversy] either, my friend. I just criticize people a lot that's it.
That is not what your original post said.

But I find this interesting:

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who conveniently enough has literally the identical natal chart
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Erik Erikson said that the stage from 18 to 35 is the stage of forming relationship, finding a mate and love and getting married. People who are above 20 years old in the forum mostly ask about love.However, teens in the forum ask about depression, identity crisis, or identity related issues.
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If you want to know why people ask so much about relationships, I would recommend looking at studies of human isolation. It really does make you go crazy.
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Relationships are more important to some people than others just as career is more important to some people than it is to others but I think it's a fallacy to say that self-actualization and relationships are at opposite ends of a spectrum. It's normal and healthy to want to form intimate relationships with people. Some people feel happier when they're in a relationship. Humans are social animals, after all. It is not a weakness and it does not necessarily mean you "haven't gotten in touch with yourself" or that you "can't stand to be alone with yourself." Thats co-dependency, but I've noticed many people tend to assume that this is always the case when it's really not?

I swear every time I ask about relationships, at least one person assumes I have a co-dependency problem and tells me I need to "get in touch with myself first" but I know perfectly **** well what I want (being alone all the time can do that to you) and sometimes, too much time spent on self-reflection can actually drive you crazy. Believe me, if I was desperate for a relationship, I would be in one already, but it isn't healthy to spend this much time in isolation! I've learned that if I continue to "focus on myself" and wait for the "right person" to come along, I'll die alone. I've done enough "focusing on myself" and I honestly don't see how a relationship will change that. People don't just stop being themselves once they've entered into a relationship. I guess some people do but I think most people want to be in a relationship with an actual PERSON right?

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I'm not sure what is meant by self-actualization here but if it's the popular definition, i.e. Maslow (not that his theories aren't problematic), then it doesn't work that way. A person can't reach self-actualization without forming deep relationships of some sort; that's one of its defining characteristics. In addition to being able to accept others as they are...In fact, nothing about this thread indicates a moving to self-actualization.
Perhaps self-improvement is a better, less ambiguous term. (I have a personal definition of self-actualization which is more of a "fulfilling of one's innate potential",Maslow's hierarchy notwithstanding).

He's had previous thread where his interest lies with his individual aims and goals. Hence why I said what I said.

I took his thread title as more of a hyperbole and not an actual percentage of the threads on here. And if we are going to do an actual survey of relationship threads on the site, you would also have to bare in mind the horary section, which relationship questions dominate quite convincingly.

And yep, he is in fact Julian. I don't see a problem with that though.
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Relationships are more important to some people than others just as career is more important to some people than it is to others but I think it's a fallacy to say that self-actualization and relationships are at opposite ends of a spectrum. It's normal and healthy to want to form intimate relationships with people. Some people feel happier when they're in a relationship. Humans are social animals, after all. It is not a weakness and it does not necessarily mean you "haven't gotten in touch with yourself" or that you "can't stand to be alone with yourself." Thats co-dependency, but I've noticed many people tend to assume that this is always the case when it's really not?

I swear every time I ask about relationships, at least one person assumes I have a co-dependency problem and tells me I need to "get in touch with myself first" but I know perfectly **** well what I want (being alone all the time can do that to you) and sometimes, too much time spent on self-reflection can actually drive you crazy. Believe me, if I was desperate for a relationship, I would be in one already, but it isn't healthy to spend this much time in isolation! I've learned that if I continue to "focus on myself" and wait for the "right person" to come along, I'll die alone. I've done enough focusing on myself.
That's why 7th house is a main important house in the zodiac-squaring career.
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