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Unread 02-08-2019, 12:38 PM
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Re: Neptune's a b*tch

Thanks for sharing, Brion - very insightful and glad you were able to prevail over the force of these transits and Neptune.

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Unread 02-08-2019, 06:06 PM
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Re: Neptune's a b*tch

I **** with my girl Neptune. Only been giving me problems now that it's conjunction my natal Saturn. Before I was having a great time full of creative achievements, now I have to work extremely hard to actualize my goals.

Neptune is teaching you to let go and let God. If you don't completely surrender to the spiritual realm she will have you for breakfast. That's just how it is. People get confused because leaving the physical plane is a very scary place.
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My ex boyfriend is a Pisces rising with a Sun Moon conjunction in Pisces conjunct his Pisces ascendant within 1 degree. Currently he is going through transiting Neptune just starting to travel over this stelium. Also, the same stelium of planets square N. Mars. He was an anesthesiologist and pain specialist therefore he worked positively with these energies however he is also an arrogant, narcissistic, manipulative drug addict. He is utterly and completely delusional as to how he really is. Never in my life have I been around someone who thought so highly of themselves and gave so much credit to the tiniest effort of his behalf. Best decision I ever made to dump him. As much as he helped people in his career, he was also someone who used people.

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Re: Neptune's a b*tch

That's interesting. Neptune is the source of a lot of trouble.

Pisces, to begin with, are 2-sided (in my case, a Pisces Sun Sign) I've always had 2 jobs and had trouble deciding between 2 or more things, from a basic sense) but then add all the other **** and they are a nightmare. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Very typical of Pisces to talk about themselves. It explains why Hollywood is represented by Neptune - the most narcissistic place there is!
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That's interesting. Neptune is the source of a lot of trouble.

Pisces, to begin with, are 2-sided (in my case, a Pisces Sun Sign) I've always had 2 jobs and had trouble deciding between 2 or more things, from a basic sense) but then add all the other **** and they are a nightmare. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Very typical of Pisces to talk about themselves. It explains why Hollywood is represented by Neptune - the most narcissistic place there is!
I never really considered Pisces 2-sided as much as they are wishy washy and changeable. I guess that could be interpreted as two-sided. Lol

I have another old Pisces boyfriend from 20 years ago who had a drinking problem. Funny, the two Pisces boyfriends I have had both had addictions. Anyways, his Sun was the only Pisces planet so he wasn't as wishy washy. He was also a good person and most assuredly NOT narcissistic like the doctor.
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Wow, there are so many negative comments about Neptune. It after all is considered malefic. I have had trouble with having Neptune in my 1st as it made me very confused about my identity, mostly confusion of my gender. It died down a bit as the lgbtq became more accepting to our society, but I still have hardships when it comes to liking a female as I myself am a female. Besides that, I wanted to talk about the sign it rules, Pisces.
Yes, Pisces can be very indecisive as well as a little two-sided, but they can also be seen as the mediator. They have the ability to see both sides of things and that is probably what results in their interchangeable attitude. A lot of Pisces just need a place to ground theirselves to know what is right and wrong I知 guessing.
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Unread 09-18-2019, 07:12 AM
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Re: Neptune's a b*tch

Just posted a new post more about this topic myself actually. You guys should all have a look at it.
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My personal experience says that wherever Neptune is there'll be madness, delusion and hysteria. Take, for instance, my mother who has a Neptune dominant chart and a Pisces 4th house. Her mother was a crazy medium psychic who beated the sh*t out of her and as she grown up she turned out to be not quite better than her own mother, although less violent. Crazy cult leader and Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey also had a very strong Neptune (his chart is actually oddly similar to my mother's) and he was a compulsive liar and a terrible father to his children. Just like my mom he wasn't a bad person, but was deeply troubled. I know lots of other cases revolving around mental health problems and it seems that a strong Neptune is always there. Also my biggest problems in life are all related to 3rd house issues and guess who's there? The blue gas giant b*tch!
Don't take me too seriously; I don't mean Neptune is the cause of all our problems, but its influence seems to be invariably malefic.
@Hkk, where are you? you need to see this. Neptune the pisces got exposed again.

@Uraninborgh, Ooh, I feeeeel you! I have this blue b*tch in my 3rd house too.
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Unread 09-18-2019, 10:01 AM
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Re: Neptune's a b*tch

I have Natal Neptune in 12th house, so I can safely say Neptune is comfortable in its home. I honestly think we just have to project Neptune energy in a positive way. Since I like doing graphic design, I do design as a freelance. Just to fill my time or fulfill my hobby. It kinda gave a sense of escapism a little awhile.
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Unread 09-23-2019, 02:16 AM
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@Hkk, where are you? you need to see this. Neptune the pisces got exposed again.

@Uraninborgh, Ooh, I feeeeel you! I have this blue b*tch in my 3rd house too.
Lol thank you p!!😍

I have Neptune in my 3rd house of sag. The house is intercepted. In the 3rd I have Uranus in Scorpio. Then Venus mercury and Neptune in sag.

Now that I知 into astrology I have realised things about myself.

When I was youngster at school I was switched off to learning.
The way I can describe, to me it was like I was in a cloud or a bubble and it was foggy. Neptune merc and the interception explains it.

Neptune makes me daydream. If I知 not doing anything productive/working, I will be day dreaming and I have always been like this and before astrology wondered why. I make up ideal scenarios in my head where I知 the most glamorous snd popular and everyone is looking at me (Leo moon). I know this sounds crazy but this is what goes on in my head. I知 also always in my head. Thinking 💭 thinking and thinking. But yes Neptune makes me foggy and communication can get a bit messy if I知 not concentrating.

With Neptune in 3rd the only class I ever paid attention to, where I was not foggy and very alert was the English class. English language and literature. I loved it. My English teachers liked me too .The only teachers who thought I had potential!!!

From a very young age I used to drag my mom or siblings to the library so I could read books. I used to read 3 books in a couple of weeks. By the time I was a teenager I had read the entire teen fiction section of the library. I loved reading until about 28 when my natal cap sun moved to Aquarius in my progression chart.

Neptune helped me go to another place when I read books. I was good at writing short stories too. It痴 a shame I never took it further. Maybe I could. Neptune helps be creative. We just need to channel it in the right way. It痴 hard to know how but this site helps get ideas, insights and good useful advice 😍
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Unread 09-23-2019, 11:21 PM
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Re: Neptune's a b*tch

Lots of insightful observations here about Neptune and the various ways that it affects us.

Though I'm not a Pisces, I'm a very Neptunian person: natally, I have Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and the NN all tightly conjunct in Pisces. My Neptune is in Libra, making it in "mutual reception" with my Pisces Venus (which some astrologers say is akin to a conjunction). My Neptune is also in a close trine with my Sun, and it is my most elevated planet. So I KNOW Neptune!

I don't like to say Neptune is malefic, as in the right aspect (and under control), it can so often be a source of inspiration, creation, transcendent beauty, fascinating illusion - and a means of escape from what is too hard to bear.

I credit my Neptune with making me a successful actor - a "natural" - I needed no training. I amazed the directors (and myself!) with my very first auditions. It's funny when I think about it because at every audition, I tried out for more than one role, and was always guaranteed to have one. The amusing thing is that most directors found it difficult to decide in which role (no matter how different they were) I would be best - I was often just offered the choice.

As a Neptunian actor, I easily and thoroughly became the character I was playing. I buried and protected my own identity safely deep inside when in character. And when the run of the show was over, I deeply grieved over the "death" of my character and the disappearance of his world. Taking off my makeup and returning my costume after the last show was like the rites of a funeral. I could not bear to watch the crew taking down the set. I would usually slip away and cry my heart out and mourn this "death" for days, weeks.

I left theater in my thirties when I realized with alarm that I was not really in touch with my real self. I kept my own self hidden away, not growing at all, not living in the real world. I realized that even in everyday interactions with people, I had learned to always play a believable role. No one knew the real "me", but they never knew that. This frightened me.

Theater had almost instantly helped me overcome my painful shyness, escape my extreme lack of self-esteem, and the ongoing pain of being emotionally abused by my parents all my young life. Neptune - whether through acting, reading and writing fantasy, singing old English ballads with my lute (my peculiar specialty) - helped me escape from the "thorns of life" and survive. My more realistic Taurean brother - having grown up with the same cruel parents - took his own life.

I went into therapy to find myself...and I didn't like what I found. I was a sad, wounded child inside who had never grown up, who could not come face-to-face with the real world - only with a mask - now only the everyday mask I had deliberately, studiously created to buffer the fearful child as he tried to deal with reality. My confident, structured, authoritative behavior was only a Neptunian mask. And I had started drinking too much to "keep Neptune fed".

Unfortunately, people could not accept my very childish, needy, love-deprived reality, which never seemed to grow up and heal, so the mask stayed on and hardened. And inside, I am still a lonely child.

The energy of Neptune is ambivalent, equivocal - certainly not always malefic, perhaps depending on Saturnian structured control. But it's always potentially dangerous. It's analogous to substances it supposedly rules: alcohol, drugs, etc. Under the right circumstances, a modest amount is relatively harmless and can even be quite a good thing - curative, delightful, enchanting. But too much of it will poison, paralyze, and destroy.

Ancar

PS: Tr. Neptune is now making its 4th pass (out of 5 in a row) over my Piscean Mars, and THAT is like poison. I have never experienced such utter lethargy, lack of motivation, and consequent hopelessness in my life. It doesn't help that tr. Saturn is also in a triple-hit square to my natal Neptune at the same time.
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Unread 09-30-2019, 05:25 PM
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I don't think Neptune's any more "malefic" than the other outer planets. I just think the society we live in (at least in the US) is least appreciative of Neptune's positive traits.

Saturn's determination, work-ethic and goal-oriented mentality is lauded, while it's rigidity and lack of imagination are not considered to be awful.

Uranus might be out there, but people tend to like a rebellious, out-of-the-box thinker, if he/she is confident in his/herself.

Pluto is prevalent in many of the famous/powerful people's charts, and the US flocks towards power, intensity and focus, even if it comes with control/possession issues.

Meanwhile Neptune's positives (imagination, selflessness, empathy) might be valued to some extent, but often work against "getting ahead" in society. Thus Neptunian people usually have to internalize it to survive, and that leads to perhaps* more bad examples of Neptunians in society.
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Unread 09-30-2019, 10:50 PM
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I don't think Neptune's any more "malefic" than the other outer planets. I just think the society we live in (at least in the US) is least appreciative of Neptune's positive traits.

Saturn's determination, work-ethic and goal-oriented mentality is lauded, while it's rigidity and lack of imagination are not considered to be awful.

Uranus might be out there, but people tend to like a rebellious, out-of-the-box thinker, if he/she is confident in his/herself.

Pluto is prevalent in many of the famous/powerful people's charts, and the US flocks towards power, intensity and focus, even if it comes with control/possession issues.

Meanwhile Neptune's positives (imagination, selflessness, empathy) might be valued to some extent, but often work against "getting ahead" in society. Thus Neptunian people usually have to internalize it to survive, and that leads to perhaps* more bad examples of Neptunians in society.
This is an excellent point you have made about Neptune. You have a point here about Saturn, Pluto and Uranus. Even Mars too as it is applauded when someone has so much drive and when someone is 'dreamy' they are frowned up on in this big world. Its the same in the UK btw.
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Lol, I have Neptune conjunct my Scorpio Rising, 1st house that (of course ��) square my Aquarius stellium 3rd/4th house, oppose my Taurus Moon 7th, and Leo MC. So yeah ��
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Unread 11-01-2019, 12:28 AM
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I have 4 neptune squares and two oppositions. Sun/Moon/Uranus all conjunct - in Cancer. Neptune in Libra. My father told friends he was afraid if he died, my mother would have problems with one of the children. When asked who, he said "B" (that's me). I'll admit to being VERY strong-willed even at 5, when I sucked my thumb, and my grandfather told me to "take that thumb out of your mouth, boy, or I'm gonna cut it off." I looked at him and inside, I thought, "NO!!!" and I jammed my thumb further into my mouth and looked at him like, "just try it." He laughed and moved away. I was VERY Sun conjunct Uranus, the motto of which should be "Don't let me catch you trying to control me, or you will rue the day you were born." Sun Conjunct Uranus HATE, HATES, HATES being controlled. HATES.

So, nobody can make me do what I don't want. Fortunately, I also have a Jupiter/Pluto trine in my natal. My higher self always says - before any emotional reaction - "Did what they say have merit? Then they were honest and fair." And a Jupiter Trine Pluto's GOD is FAIRNESS. Hate injustice, so I could never come back with a smart remark even if it was an enemy, if what they were saying was true. (Factor in being Black in the 50s and you'd imagine that could cause some inner turmoil. But it didn't.)

SO. The twist. All the Neptune natal aspects.
Although I am Black - and gay - my (Black, gay) friends used to accuse me of thinking "everybody's nice." I didn't believe that EVERYONE was nice. After all, I'm nearly 70 and was born during the most violent era of segregation in the US history (the Civil Rights/Freedom Fighters era). It's just that I DID think everyone was BASICALLY nice (Neptune illusions) - until Uranus and Neptune conjoined in the late 80s and early 90s, and Neptune, in particular they brought me to my knees. (I can deal with Uranus: change doesn't throw me. It's so natural, I'm impatient with other people to be more authentic than they are (and believe themselves to be). Neptune has me so delusional, I thought I'd destroyed my and my lover's company (Neptune opposing Mercury), which was absurd, as we had an account and bookkeeper who went over ALL the resale cards (the State Board of Equalization was auditing us. Probably nothing unusual, now that I think of it. They'd just never audited us before). And I got the idea that somehow I'd totally ******* things up and my lover was going to lose the company. So...

I went home and contemplated suicide. And then STARTED to take pills and alcohol. FORTUNATELY, I was also having Pluto sextile Saturn (also, I was in the middle of a Pluto/Venus square in Leo!). That Pluto sextile Saturn thing wouldn't let me 'off' myself. I took the pills, but not many, and drank whiskey, but not much...after 3 hours, I'd only taken 5 pills and three swigs of whiskey. I was passing out when I called 911. A little voice in my head said, "you know they can trace you" and I thought back to myself "this is the only way I can do it. If I live, it's because God wants me to. And if I die, the same." I lived. Had ALREADY had an appointment with a therapist, because I felt myself unraveling weeks prior to this (and my best friend was nearly dead of AIDS and lived with me and I couldn't get his family to understand how close to death he was). All perfect circumstance for Neptunian delusion. But IT WAS SO REAL. You could NOT have convinced me that the business wasn't going to close and that all our paperwork was in PERFECT order. I just woke up one day and convinced myself that I'd destroyed my lover and our livelihood. So, after the cops showing up, me being rushed to the hospital, stomach pumped (really, 5 pills is not much, but at the time, I was so delusional....It took me a year to realize that I was also sexually assaulted by a friend shortly after the suicide "cry-for-help" thing. I was BROKEN. Of course the audit went fine, but my lover was distraught (he'd gone away on business) to hear that I'd tried to harm myself.
Kept my appointment with the therapist, who extracted a no-suicide agreement (that was the easiest "sure!" that ever came out of my mouth).
First she thought I was obsessive (Pluto/Venus square) until, around the 3rd month of therapy, she finally realized the guy I was dating (had ended relationship with lover and had been dating this guy) had Narcissistic Personality Disorder. (Highly Neptunian disorder, if you know psychology at all. They become whatever the person they are standing in front of wants them to be.) (like our president). Talk about NEPTUNIAN!!!!!
It took the therapist 8 months - after she realized that Brian was a narcissist - to convince me that I wasn't some broken-down soul and who would want to be friends with me, anyway. (Never mind that, prior to the Uranus/Neptune period, my friends would have said I was the Rock of Gibraltar: solid and unlovable.
SO. my natal Neptune aspects were all attacked, I was delusional for years. But the end result was that I came out clearer. But darker. The veil of illusion ripped away, and i saw mankind differently. Not that everyone was bad, but that some people were CERTAINLY bad, and I'd barely date a guy until I did his astrological chart. It took a long time for the betrayals that followed from 1993-1996 to subside. I was even BITTER for a while. ME! Mr. Sun square Jupiter (makes you overdo things, but you're a "sunny optimist.'') I tell you, Neptune is fine if you're awake and see things clearly (I had NO illusions around race/ethnicity, just...people in general. I remember always saying to my friends back in 1983 (we were all around 32 and this was WAAAAY before the Neptune transits), "You just have to give people time and they'll open up." (VERY Neptunian). And they just said, "Oh Miss Thing (their favorite phrase because I had muscles, so this was their way of (playfully) putting me down), you need to wake up."
Eventually, I did. 10 years later. That was when Neptune was squaring itself, my moon and Mercury. And was NOT happy with what I then perceived. But it's odd that, until all those Neptune transits (1987-1998), I thought most everyone was nice. But afterwards, when the enchantment was broken...well, you wouldn't have wanted to cross me (not physically; I'm not violent at all. but verbally and the look in my eyes! Would've scared a Hell Hound.) I was so mad at what Neptune revealed, it took years to readjust. And even now, my boundaries are WAY tighter than prior to those transits.
So, that was my journey.

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Unread 11-01-2019, 04:11 PM
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Re: Neptune's a b*tch

Neptune is transiting Pisces. Isn't Neptune more comfortable in Pisces, the sign of its rulership? Pisces rules my 11th/12th house - intercepted house, so should I be especially suspicious of friends as Neptune transits here? And what to expect when it transits my 12th house Pisces Venus?


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Neptune brings bad things and good things. Neptune is the only angular planet in my chart (conj. IC 3ー in 4th), and has been a predominant figure in my life.
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The funny thing about planets is they have two sides, a bright side and a dark side. Can't have one without the other.
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Maybe Alice Cooper? His Neptune rising is a strong one and his art is all about the twisted side of human nature, but himself is a spiritual, healthy and successful guy (quite the opposite of the impression his music brings). I guess he sublimated his Neptune well. It's seems like an exception, though.
Whoa- I just came across this- "Alice" (Vincent Fournier) had such a horrific problem with alcohol it damned near killed him. Having seen him in concert in the 70s, he absolutely looked like death. Great effort was made to save him.

As for me; Neptune in my 10th, I make my living doing art and have received accolades for my imagination, but that square to my sun won't let me indulge in alcohol or other controlled substances. I'll experience entities vividly and hear from the dead. Not practical for everyday reality, especially since my perception is already extreme (ridiculous).

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