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It truly baffles me how many people get into astrology only asking for relationship and love advice. Is it because people need to be reassured so they look up things like astrology on the internet? People don't tend to have the necessity of reassurement when they're talking about their money or their personality, but once it comes down to others, to people they don't know fully... they do.

Is that it? I believe it's more important to know yourself before you get into things like relationships, don't you think?


Anyway I tend to rant and criticize a lot. That sparks my curiositiy, anything you see in my chart that makes me do that all the time? I think I like to bring up controversy because it makes everything less boring. I know this is related to Mercury but how would exactly a Pisces Mercury want to stir up controversy?

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Probably because most people are looking for a way to be 'saved' from themselves. Which is a very deluded mindset.

In regards to your question; Your mercury is quincunx Moon, which makes you read too much between the lines and creates confusion. Then there is your Mars/Venus opposition, but it's not that strong in your chart.
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Well, relationships are an important part of life. Unless we choose to live alone in a forest with no human contact, I can't imagine a life without them and without sex, none of us would exist. Money is a need but emotionally speaking, I'm more invested in people than I am possessions and even with possessions, almost everything we own comes from another person. I use astrology not only so I can understand myself but to understand others as well. Not everyone necessarily needs a natal chart to know who they are. Romantic situations, however, can be complex and hard to read ESPECIALLY because emptions are involved. I think it's important to understand others and their interactions with you, and astrology can help with that. I wouldn't necessarily equate that to a lack of self-insight, though it does happen. After all, a relationship takes 2.

As for the whole controversy thing, the first thing that stands out to me is Venus and Mars square Uranus, which I consider the planet of controversy. Uranus is in the 7th house and making a square to the goddess of love, it makes sense that the controversy this question pertains to is relationship-related.

But really, your Aries Sun alone says a looot, and in the 9th house/conjunct Jupiter and what do you know, Mercurys in the 9th house too: you're probably very philosophical and we live in a world where thinking is controversial. I don't know if I can say I agree with this particular opinion (considering I myself ask a lot of relationship-based questions) but generally, I say its a good thing. Most people are boring, dishonest and I even think sometimes, they CHOOSE to be stupid, because they're too afraid of causing controversy by sharing thoughts (or simply questions) that others might not agree with.

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Well, relationships are an important part of life. Unless we choose to live alone in a forest with no human contact, I can't imagine a life without them and without sex, none of us would exist. Money is a need but emotionally speaking, I'm more invested in people than I am possessions and even with possessions, almost everything we own comes from another person. I use astrology not only so I can understand myself but to understand others as well. Not everyone necessarily needs a natal chart to know who they are. Romantic situations, however, can be complex and hard to read ESPECIALLY because emptions are involved. I think it's important to understand others and their interactions with you, and astrology can help with that. I wouldn't necessarily equate that to a lack of self-insight, though it does happen. After all, a relationship takes 2.

As for the whole controversy thing, the first thing that stands out to me is Venus and Mars square Uranus, which I consider the planet of controversy. Uranus is in the 7th house and making a square to the goddess of love, it makes sense that the controversy this question pertains to is relationship-related.

But really, your Aries Sun alone says a looot, and in the 9th house/conjunct Jupiter and what do you know, Mercurys in the 9th house too: you're probably very philosophical and we live in a world where thinking is controversial. I don't know if I can say I agree with this particular opinion (considering I myself ask a lot of relationship-based questions) but generally, I say its a good thing. Most people are boring, dishonest and I even think sometimes, they CHOOSE to be stupid, because they're too afraid of causing controversy by sharing thoughts (or simply questions) that others might not agree with.
Hmm, most of my criticizing comes from watching people and thinking "Wow, they really are not focusing on what they should" or "Why are people this stupid???" (This one is a little more specific and that's not what I felt when I posted this thread). I don't wanna be argumentative but I don't believe people that ask a lot of things about relationships are dumb or stupid, I just stated the fact that a lot of people just get into astrology because of relationships and it feels like they're wasting the opportunity to focus on things like understanding oneself, money, career, etc. - These seem more important to me. I tend to nitpick a lot. I know there really is nothing wrong with that fact, but it kinda bothers me.


And now reflecting upon what you said about my chart: I think it's a combination of Sun-Jup-Mercury in 9th house plus that Moon quincunx. I honestly have felt sometimes that I'm right most of the time. I remember being a child and not wanting to go outside with my family and somehow a lot of times something happened in the end that made them regret going outside. It could've been anything: maybe if we went to eat the food would taste bad or whatever. You get the point. I don't think it's like me being maniac or believing I'm always 100% right, it's me being too analytical perhaps. If I have to agree with something in my Vedic chart it's Moon in Virgo but then again it's very vague since it's just a sign placement.

When a planet is stationary (like my Mercury), is it that strong? I have felt confused in the past and my thoughts have been very obsessive before. I have had OCD-like symptoms. I still remember being afraid of being homosexual, a pedophile, bipolar, schizophrenic... etc.

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When a planet is stationary (like my Mercury), is it that strong? I have felt confused in the past and my thoughts have been very obsessive before. I have had OCD-like symptoms. I still remember being afraid of being homosexual, a pedophile, bipolar, schizophrenic... etc.
http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-co...uincunx-venus/

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I have Moon-Quincunx-Mercury not Venus.
You have both.
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Most people are boring, dishonest and I even think sometimes, they CHOOSE to be stupid, because they're too afraid of causing controversy by sharing thoughts (or simply questions) that others might not agree with.
I actually agree with your delineation, which is well done, and your philosophy of self and relationship. Well spoken overall, I think.

But this final judgement on your part seems a bit harsh?, like you must not be hanging out with the fight folks. And no one chooses stupidity. It is an innate trait.
We may choose ignorance, though.
It may be useful to know the difference.

You are so bright, really. I hope you may turn your heart around; I feel like you have all that is needed to do so.
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@Jolly is your Mercury stationing direct? That will strengthen it greatly if so.
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@Jolly is your Mercury stationing direct? That will strengthen it greatly if so.
I don't know actually. How do you know if it's SR or SD?
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I don't know actually.

How do you know if it's SR or SD?

The literally identical question was previously asked by member julian
who conveniently enough has literally the identical natal chart
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...92&postcount=2
and was answered indubitably by the following post


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Mercury stationed on 2 April 1999 at 02:58AM
Mercury then went direct on 2 April 1999 at 03:19AM

therefore
since jollyzals natal chart
AND julians natal chart
are BOTH dated 1 April 1999 with a time of birth 1:21PM

then
jollyzals natal chart AND julians natal chart BOTH have a retrograde Mercury
and NOT a stationary direct Mercury

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Since Jupiter answered your question, you can read this article to get more acquainted with what Stationary direct means for a planet.

http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/?p=1100&
http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/?p=20

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The literally identical question was previously asked by member julian
who conveniently enough has literally the identical natal chart
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...92&postcount=2
and was answered indubitably by the following post


i.e.
Mercury stationed on 2 April 1999 at 02:58AM
Mercury then went direct on 2 April 1999 at 03:19AM

therefore
since jollyzals natal chart
AND julians natal chart
are BOTH dated 1 April 1999 with a time of birth 1:21PM

then
jollyzals natal chart AND julians natal chart BOTH have a retrograde Mercury
and NOT a stationary direct Mercury

So there isn't any kind of orb to allow planets to be considered stationary, even if their movement is extremely slow? If not, then that Mercury only stationed for 20 minutes. I know my Mercury is in shambles. If my Sun is the strongest Sun I know, my Mercury is the weakest I know. Well, atleast it's still in sect and in the cusp of a house and ruled by an okay Jupiter I guess.
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This leads me to a topic I don't want to know a lot about, but it's about my life span and death. I think I will live for many years to come. Please I would kindly ask everyone else to not add anything to this specific part of the post, I just felt the need to get my thoughts out.

-Saturn in 10th in a fixed earth sign ruling the 8th and 7th. (It's very weakly opposing Mars however). Even though it's squaring Neptune, this aspect lasted for a good amount of months, meaining we're better off checking other the rest of the chart to have a final statement. HOWEVER, Saturn is in sect and in the 10th house as I said, most likely making him less troublesome and reducing the malefic part of this planet.

-Uranus ruler of 8th is weakly squaring a very strong Mars and solidly squaring Venus in the 10th. This is a mild T-square between three planets in rulership. These planets rule the 8th, the 4th, the 10th, the 5th and the 11th, taking a rather more "profession related" meaning to it, considering the squares are applying to the 10th and 4th.

-Ruler of the 1st (Moon) is conjunct an angle (the IC) therefore indicating a long life. There is a trine to the 8th house and 12th house cusp. It's ruled by a very strong Venus. Trines Uranus ruler of the 8th. Sextiling the cusp of the 2nd and the 1st house through the North Node in Leo, ruled by Sun.

-A very strong Sun conjunct Jupiter and trining Pluto. Jupiter rules 6th. This is a very strong healing capacity (which I've experienced!) Sun-Jup have a weak sextile coming from Uranus ruler of the 8th.

-IC is conjunct Spica (and therefore the Moon which are treated as the same idea indicated by the chart as whole.

My verdict would be a long lifespan with some difficulties. Maybe some health issues, but nothing too bad.

The stronger factors when trying to answer a question through a natal chart are definitely the ones that are more personalized, such as a specific ascendant aspect, a moon aspect, a house aspect, etc. (if it can be applied to less people then better)

And the good thing is here that the "bad" indicators tend to be more general than the good ones. Especially considering the accuracy of the Sun's aspects as well as the Moon's. (Which are always important factors when determining health)


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I think there are other methods to calculate lifespan however. (I believe it was the hayz?)

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So there isn't any kind of orb to allow planets to be considered stationary, even if their movement is extremely slow?
If not, then that Mercury only stationed for 20 minutes.
I know my Mercury is in shambles.
If my Sun is the strongest Sun I know, my Mercury is the weakest I know.
Well, at least it's still in sect and in the cusp of a house and ruled by an okay Jupiter I guess.
An Aries Sun in 10th IS strong but is not in domicile
an Aries Sun is in the home of Mars
and so
A Leo Sun in 10th is arguably stronger because of being at home
i.e. in domicile
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I believe it's more important to know yourself before you get into things like relationships, don't you think?
It is important to know yourself, sure.

But for many people - dare I say most - learn about themselves through relationships. Especially in the case of someone with alot of oppositions in their natal chart.
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It truly baffles me how many people get into astrology only asking for relationship and love advice. Is it because people need to be reassured so they look up things like astrology on the internet? People don't tend to have the necessity of reassurement when they're talking about their money or their personality, but once it comes down to others, to people they don't know fully... they do.

Is that it? I believe it's more important to know yourself before you get into things like relationships, don't you think?


Anyway I tend to rant and criticize a lot. That sparks my curiositiy, anything you see in my chart that makes me do that all the time? I think I like to bring up controversy because it makes everything less boring. I know this is related to Mercury but how would exactly a Pisces Mercury want to stir up controversy?
People want assurance about love and relationships because it is the heart and center of our lives. One can never come to know oneself in a vacuum; it will always be learned in response to some other relationship be it family, work, friendship, loving intimacy.

If you tend to rant and bring up controversy, I would look more to Mars' influence, perhaps even on your Mercury.

Mercury in Pisces may see the larger picture, but perhaps it may be preventing you from perceiving and marshalling the nitty-gritty day-to-day details of love and relationship into a cohesive and meaningful space for you to comfortably inhabit comfortably at this time.

Your very strong Venus and Mars each in their dignity, but in opposition and having rejecting reception is a reflection of challenges for you to work with in terms of forming and understanding relationship. Sun exaggeratedly strong on Aries also reflects a possibly exaggerated notion of independence, and points to the inclination to rant first and think later...?

Wishing you the best,

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People want assurance about love and relationships because it is the heart and center of our lives. One can never come to know oneself in a vacuum; it will always be learned in response to some other relationship be it family, work, friendship, loving intimacy.

If you tend to rant and bring up controversy, I would look more to Mars' influence, perhaps even on your Mercury.

Mercury in Pisces may see the larger picture, but perhaps it may be preventing you from perceiving and marshalling the nitty-gritty day-to-day details of love and relationship into a cohesive and meaningful space for you to comfortably inhabit comfortably at this time?

Wishing you the best,
My Mars is Quincunx Sun Jupiter do you think that might be it considering the Moon-Mercury quincunx? My Mars is not very well aspected but it's very strong by house and sign. There is one aspect however that I don't know what it could mean. Mars semisextile Pluto?
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My Mars is Quincunx Sun Jupiter do you think that might be it considering the Moon-Mercury quincunx? My Mars is not very well aspected but it's very strong by house and sign. There is one aspect however that I don't know what it could mean. Mars semisextile Pluto?
Hi,
I added some further comments about your Mars in my post to you, if you want to go back and see the last few paragraphs.
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People want assurance about love and relationships because it is the heart and center of our lives. One can never come to know oneself in a vacuum; it will always be learned in response to some other relationship be it family, work, friendship, loving intimacy.

If you tend to rant and bring up controversy, I would look more to Mars' influence, perhaps even on your Mercury.

Mercury in Pisces may see the larger picture, but perhaps it may be preventing you from perceiving and marshalling the nitty-gritty day-to-day details of love and relationship into a cohesive and meaningful space for you to comfortably inhabit comfortably at this time.

Your very strong Venus and Mars each in their dignity, but in opposition and having rejecting reception is a reflection of challenges for you to work with in terms of forming and understanding relationship. Sun exaggeratedly strong on Aries also reflects a possibly exaggerated notion of independence, and points to the inclination to rant first and think later...?

Wishing you the best,
I don't have a particurarly strong sense of independence. My brother would be that person. I feel like independence is something very important to me and that I definitely want, but I don't feel uncomfortable if I'm dependent. I think my Moon in Libra adds a lot to that. And yeah, it surprised me that my Sun is so strong. Honestly speaking it's the strongest Sun I've ever seen in any chart. I've always had extremely good health. If I get sick I always get better faster than everyone else, believe me when I say this. For instance if my brother gets sick for like 2 weeks I get sick for 2-4 days. There were also some complications during my birth and I managed to get through those too. How would you guys interpret the ruler of the 2nd house (Sun) conjunct the ruler of the 9th and 6th (Jupiter)?
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It truly baffles me how many people get into astrology only asking for relationship and love advice. Is it because people need to be reassured so they look up things like astrology on the internet? People don't tend to have the necessity of reassurement when they're talking about their money or their personality, but once it comes down to others, to people they don't know fully... they do.

Is that it? I believe it's more important to know yourself before you get into things like relationships, don't you think?


Anyway I tend to rant and criticize a lot. That sparks my curiositiy, anything you see in my chart that makes me do that all the time? I think I like to bring up controversy because it makes everything less boring. I know this is related to Mercury but how would exactly a Pisces Mercury want to stir up controversy?

Men tend to ask me for career advice more. As for looking at charts to determine who may be on the horizon for love and marriage, that is understandable as many feel this sort of thing is fated and it can be. However nothing is set in stone and we can only give guidance and the probable outcomes and options.

Your placements in Aquarius including Uranus in the 7th would account for your controversial ideas about partnerships and the use of astrology.
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Am I the only person who doesn't see the controversy in Jollyzal's question?
I don't see it either, my friend. I just criticize people a lot that's it.
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I don't see it either, my friend. I just criticize people a lot that's it.
My view is that you simply prioritize self-actualization over relationships. Some people, probably not the ones who tend to congregate on these sites, are like that.
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Am I the only person who doesn't see the controversy in Jollyzal's question?
It's not controversial (this idea has been brought up before), but it is off base. Not that it was necessary but earlier I looked through the topics of posts on the first page of this subforum -- 14 percent were about relationships. Second page -- 21 percent. Neither of these numbers are close to 90 percent. The Relational Astrology subforum is also far from the most popular forum here.

Again, if these questions catch a person's attention to the extent that they could be this far off from reality then it suggests that something about intimate relationships bothers them.

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My view is that you simply prioritize self-actualization over relationships. Some people, probably not the ones who tend to congregate on these sites, are like that.
I'm not sure what is meant by self-actualization here but if it's the popular definition, i.e. Maslow (not that his theories aren't problematic), then it doesn't work that way. A person can't reach self-actualization without forming deep relationships of some sort; that's one of its defining characteristics. In addition to being able to accept others as they are...In fact, nothing about this thread indicates a moving to self-actualization.

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I don't see [controversy] either, my friend. I just criticize people a lot that's it.
That is not what your original post said.

But I find this interesting:

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I'm not sure what is meant by self-actualization here but if it's the popular definition, i.e. Maslow (not that his theories aren't problematic), then it doesn't work that way. A person can't reach self-actualization without forming deep relationships of some sort; that's one of its defining characteristics. In addition to being able to accept others as they are...In fact, nothing about this thread indicates a moving to self-actualization.
Perhaps self-improvement is a better, less ambiguous term. (I have a personal definition of self-actualization which is more of a "fulfilling of one's innate potential",Maslow's hierarchy notwithstanding).

He's had previous thread where his interest lies with his individual aims and goals. Hence why I said what I said.

I took his thread title as more of a hyperbole and not an actual percentage of the threads on here. And if we are going to do an actual survey of relationship threads on the site, you would also have to bare in mind the horary section, which relationship questions dominate quite convincingly.

And yep, he is in fact Julian. I don't see a problem with that though.
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