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Sorry i couldn't get back with information today, it was a busy day and i'm tired and hurting.
Bossy girls are coming soon to put me to bed ZZZZzzzz.
But "After all, tomorrow is another day".
I bet you don't know where that catch phrase come from in a famous old movie?
I'm showing my age LOL!
You win! You’re older! 😄 I didn’t know where it came from. I have seen parts of it. When we can be here we are, when we can’t we are not. No apologies necessary.

I am an immature 59. 😄😄

Merry Christmas my new friend. PPp

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Hi Opal,
You cheeky *%@#, Ha Ha! I'm only four years older than you!
I'll give you another clue.
Quote:- "Frankly my dear, i don't give a ****".
I can't do serious stuff too much today, i think i have given enough clues to the film i'm thinking of, everyone likes a quizz at Christmas!
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My, my, you have gone and got all winded. 😄😄😄pPp
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Hi Opal,
The Film was "Gone with the Wind", i liked your puzzle joke about being winded!!!
I had better get serious again and show some stuff, there is a planet in our solar system that mimics the shape of the heart shown in the Mandelbrot Set and also produces a pentacle because of retrograde motion.
Retrograde motion is how the planet Venus orbit appears to happen from Earth. It was this a decade ago that gave me my first epiphany moment.
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Phi and the Golden Ratio can be by visual mathematics a spiral or a Pentacle, it can be also be a pentagon, decagon and a dodecahedron that Plato thought was the shape of the Cosmos.
The thought that the retrograde Venus orbit also produced a heart made me think very deeply.
https://www.goldennumber.net/five-phi/


To show a key to turn a pentacle into a "Dodecahedron" is below, but it isn't a master key that also shows the "Heart" in the Mandelbrot Set, where it would all fit together like a glove:-





Although the above isn't a master key it is very powerful, in advanced Sacred Geometry we use it to draw complex life forms like below:-


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Suppose you were God and you wanted to create creatures that would act on their own and not be subject to your commands, so they could choose whether or not to follow your commands. You could simply create creatures and make it so they had free will...but how would you KNOW that you hadn't influenced them in some way?

But what if you had a way of creating a random personality generator? A method that would create ON ITS OWN a different personality in every creature. But what could you base the template on? It would have to be on something that would be around for a LONG time so it could ALWAYS be used to generate new personalities. Anything on Earth would not be permanent enough for the very long-time use this personality generator would need. What about the stars? The stars have random patterns that change all the time and a few minutes or even seconds would result in SOME type of change in the star pattern. If you mapped every new person born to the star pattern they would all be randomly different and all could be free to follow or not follow Your commands.

So maybe that's what astrology is: a random personality generator for God.

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Hi Tim. I think Einstein had is right in that God does not play dice with the universe. My worldview sees an overall unity of God in the wholistic sense but each of us has a particularity that is expressed to make God more conscious of itself. We evolve God as much as God evolves us. Our notions of God has changed over time e.g. the old judgmental God to the loving God. Our notion continues to change as we move from one mythology to another as represented by our astrological symbols. For instance - Moses brought in the Fiery Aryan God - I am that I am in a burning bush but dealt with a regressive episode of resurrecting the Taurean Golden Bull before the new myth could coalesce. Then we have the Piscean myths with all the miracles of water and fish, etc. We move now to Aquarius with hopefully our collective consciousness of how astrology decorates our lives with the richness of new myths that we participate in and co-create. Astrology is encoded in the Genesis of our Judeo-Christian texts - see attached.

Each of us has a part to play in the plan for greater consciousness of our unique playgrounds. Astrology helps us see our unique blueprints that were settled upon before entering the game. I believe that we choose to pretend that we are in a random space. My sense is that it is anything but random.
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Hi Tim. I think Einstein had is right in that God does not play dice with the universe. My worldview sees an overall unity of God in the wholistic sense but each of us has a particularity that is expressed to make God more conscious of itself. We evolve God as much as God evolves us. Our notions of God has changed over time e.g. the old judgmental God to the loving God. Our notion continues to change as we move from one mythology to another as represented by our astrological symbols. For instance - Moses brought in the Fiery Aryan God - I am that I am in a burning bush but dealt with a regressive episode of resurrecting the Taurean Golden Bull before the new myth could coalesce. Then we have the Piscean myths with all the miracles of water and fish, etc. We move now to Aquarius with hopefully our collective consciousness of how astrology decorates our lives with the richness of new myths that we participate in and co-create. Astrology is encoded in the Genesis of our Judeo-Christian texts - see attached.

When Einstein said that famous quote, he was trying to refute quantum physics, which to Einstein was an impossibly random way of looking at the world. Well, it turns out that quantum physics WAS a thing, and Einstein was wrong about that. Quantum physics has opened up a whole new way of looking at the universe, and shown us a world of massive interconnection. Some even use it as a way to understand astrology. But what is the SOURCE of that interconnection and WHY?

Perhaps it is not GOD that is changing, but our perception of God that is changing. As you say, the view of God changes according to the ages: Aryan followed by Piscean followed by Aquarian view. And, it's interesting that part of the Aryan God of Moses is REFUTiNG the old Taurean God in the story about Golden Calf idolatry.

Continuing this thought, the thing that concerns me about the Aquarian age is that the lesson of the sign is in the sign that follows: so Aries needs to be more grounded like Taurus, Pisces needs to take their scattered nature and bring it into a focus on simply being like Aries. Keeping this idea in mind, the nature of the grouping of Aquarius is about the chaos of Pisces: the goal of Aquarius IS chaos and dissolving all barriers (Pisces). Certainly we've begun to see that at all levels of society now.

But is all this change random or part of a divine purpose. And if it IS part of a divine purpose, can we then be said to have free will, if our efforts are to serve a larger, divine goal?

Still wondering,

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Hi Opal,
I have left part of another thread above to show other opinions, The real master key to the Mandelbrot Set is below, you may not understand it yet, please now ask questions:-
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Hi Opal,
On previous page near bottom, i asked you if you could see the mirror image to the Golden Spiral, i hope diagram helps below.
Last post for me today, lots for you to go through, but please ask questions.





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Hi Monk,
I will be back. My Mother is only here till Friday. I have been devoting my time to her. Merry Christmas, I will read and respond as soon as I can.

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Hi Opal,
Merry Christmas to you and your mum!
I understand completely, take your time, it is at this apex that i stop calling the shape in the Mandelbrot set a heart, as now we need to see how a CARDIOID is made, this will give a lot of understanding to the shape.


It can be built by just two circles rubbing against each other as in top diagram on link below which is very interesting.


The second diagram on link is a Cardioid Envelope, which is far more interesting, please notice that all envelopes cut the inner circle at ten equal points!!
It is only by luck that i saw this as a envelope Cardioid can have any number of envelopes, but it fitted by theory exactly:-
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Cardioid.html


So you can see more clearly the Envelope Cardioid featured on above link, i have again put the larger picture below:-



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So Opal, if the envelopes or circles cut the inner circle at ten equal points, we get two pentagrams 36 degrees apart, being opposite, this then shows the mysterious Dodacahedron in the centre that looks like a diamond, a girls best friend, Ha Ha.


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So if i said that there is a scientist theory that the shape of the Cosmos is a Dodecahedron, that Plato thought was true, would my scribble become more interesting to you Opal???


https://physicsworld.com/a/is-the-un...-dodecahedron/
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Hi Opal,
At this stage i thought i would offer up a poem about the Golden Ratio and Phi, i didn't write it and have no idea who did, but find it very funny, it is below:-


"I am a ratio, noticed by few,
a pyramid, a flower, in math and in you!
A golden mediocrity in planets and space,
Fibonicci's forty in my 15th place.
Although quite small, i stretch to infinity,
the ancient Greeks raised me up to divinity.
Fraternities exploit me without knowing my MEANing.
Some people maintain i have a mystical leaning!


You have catching up to do after Chrstmas.
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[QUOTE=Monk;1017446]Phi and the Golden Ratio can be by visual mathematics a spiral or a Pentacle, it can be also be a pentagon, decagon and a dodecahedron that Plato thought was the shape of the Cosmos.
The thought that the retrograde Venus orbit also produced a heart made me think very deeply.
https://www.goldennumber.net/five-phi/


To show a key to turn a pentacle into a "Dodecahedron" is below, but it isn't a master key that also shows the "Heart" in the Mandelbrot Set, where it would all fit together like a glove:-





You mention the Diamond in the center. While I observe it I see the flip side of the faceted diamond as well, it show the structure of the top side and the bottom of faceting. I am a rock hound in my scant spare time.
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So if i said that there is a scientist theory that the shape of the Cosmos is a Dodecahedron, that Plato thought was true, would my scribble become more interesting to you Opal???


https://physicsworld.com/a/is-the-un...-dodecahedron/
I am interested Monk. It fits with my seemingly not so weird here mind.
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Hi Opal,
Perhaps this is the 5th element master key, however there are a lot more links to give and debate to come, below are some of my scribbles on this,
it would be funny if the creator was heart or cardioid shaped, would it mean that "God is Love"?
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A logarithmic Spiral is very close to being a Golden Spiral, i think in the creators plan all this has margins or orbs like aspect margins, however all this is seen in nature and the Cosmos like spiral galaxies:-
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Hi Opal,

Perhaps now you will understand JupierAsc, with the small picture of a cabbage he has on all posts, bottom near left, it shows the "Golden Spiral".


My Avatar picture also has symbolism of PHI as it uses Platonic Solids as well as the Dodecahedron in symbolism.


We leave stuff for those who have eyes to see it, larger picture of my avatar below:-


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So if i said that there is a scientist theory that the shape of the Cosmos is a Dodecahedron, that Plato thought was true, would my scribble become more interesting to you Opal???


https://physicsworld.com/a/is-the-un...-dodecahedron/

All of the mathematical shapes are sacred. I cannot agree that one sacred shape is superior to another sacred shape. They all have their need or purpose. As with in Tim's thread where I answered that all stars had given of themselves, so that no one of them had superiority over the creation of Adam. They were equal. All Sacred shapes are required and none should be considered lesser. The structure of diamonds are different than Spinel, or corundum, or lead, or gold. But all of them are needed to form the universe. All are equal.

All aspects, all shapes, all sacred, all different, all one.
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The skull, is the Naval battle flag of the Knights Templar.
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A skull? Don't worry i have never been a member of a secret society, Ha Ha!


I tend to think the creator is a mathematician and uses sacred geometry, as for the stars, well what i write about regarding Sirius and Alnilam, Belt of Orion is electional astrology by people who hold those beliefs in high places.


If we are going to look at the genesis of the Cosmos then Phi or the Golden Ratio must be part of discussion.


An interesting link below:-
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0107143909.htm


Plato thought that the Cosmos had a dodecahedron shape regarding Platonic Solids, he may have been right!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_solid

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A skull? Don't worry i have never been a member of a secret society, Ha Ha!


I tend to think the creator is a mathematician and uses sacred geometry, as for the stars, well what i write about regarding Sirius and Alnilam, Belt of Orion is electional astrology by people who hold those beliefs in high places.


If we are going to look at the genesis of the Cosmos then Phi or the Golden Ratio must be part of discussion.


An interesting link below:-
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0107143909.htm
I agree, that the "Creator" would be a master mathematician. Secret societies. Generally a place where they teach, the same sacred geometry, to it's members, it seems to be the same in all religions and most societies.

The big question of all is "Do you believe in a higher power?" For without a belief in a higher power there is no oath. Nothing to swear to, or on.
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The observed resonant states in cobalt niobate are a dramatic laboratory illustration of the way in which mathematical theories developed for particle physics may find application in nanoscale science and ultimately in future technology. Prof. Tennant remarks on the perfect harmony found in quantum uncertainty instead of disorder. "Such discoveries are leading physicists to speculate that the quantum, atomic scale world may have its own underlying order. Similar surprises may await researchers in other materials in the quantum critical state."


Above quote from your link.

I like this, from your link. All different, all the same. Rocks have an oxygen content, so technically, they breathe. With that, I think, of the natal chart of a rock. When it took it's first breath, and when it was found, faceted, set. All things will have a natal. All things were born, and things happened, caused by the underlying order. Yes, I believe in similar surprises, awaiting us.
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Oh Opal,
You gave me a good ole belly laugh, the thought that i'm involved with secret societies amuse me.
In fact i'm just an individual observer, with a lot of time on my hands because i'm disabled, as Jup will tell you, i investigate secret societies.
Please read from top of page of link below, where i ask a simple question, which lead down a very dark path.
The person who i was asking the question was a high ranking Royal Arch Freemason and a Knights Templar by masonic degree, his avatar is KSiGMason, read all links and pages after:-
As i have said on this forum my avatar name is Astronomer 62, i believe in a creator, i'm spiritual, although i'm suspicious of all religious dogma.
I have been a member of various astronomy clubs, the Ghost Club and the College of Psychic Studies, none of which is a secret society!


I hope this clears this up before i die laughing, link below to the weird world of secret societies:-
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You gave me a good ole belly laugh, the thought that i'm involved with secret societies amuse me.
In fact i'm just an individual observer, with a lot of time on my hands because i'm disabled, as Jup will tell you, i investigate secret societies.
Please read from top of page of link below, where i ask a simple question, which lead down a very dark path.
The person who i was asking the question was a high ranking Royal Arch Freemason and a Knights Templar by masonic degree, his avatar is KSiGMason, read all links and pages after:-
As i have said on this forum my avatar name is Astronomer 62, i believe in a creator, i'm spiritual, although i'm suspicious of all religious dogma.
I have been a member of various astronomy clubs, the Ghost Club and the College of Psychic Studies, none of which is a secret society!


I hope this clears this up before i die laughing, link below to the weird world of secret societies:-
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1224110/pg4
I will read the link with interest though

I did not say that you were. I said, that the Jolly Roger was the naval battle flag of the Knight's Templar.
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