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The tropical Ages I'm describing are based on Precession of the Perihelion, whereas the sidereal Ages are based on Precession of the Equinox, and both are because of Earth's "wobble" as it rotates.

It just so happens that the 1800 year tropical Ages are CURRENTLY in the same general time-frame as the 2160 year sidereal Ages, which means that on the historical timeline, the Late Middle Ages are in the middle period of both types of astrological Ages.

You wish to explore the Tropical Ages. I presume, that as Tropical is based on 0 degrees Aries, it would start there. But when? Did it start when tropical started?


As you are aware I prefer tropical for natal.



But, I study Sidereal for the ages, because of my study of ancient history. Tropical wasn't there.

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You wish to explore the Tropical Ages. I presume, that as Tropical is based on 0 degrees Aries, it would start there. But when? Did it start when tropical started?


As you are aware I prefer tropical for natal.



But, I study Sidereal for the ages, because of my study of ancient history. Tropical wasn't there.
Seasons were always there! Tropical is based on Seasons. Seasons are natural. Pictures drawn on constellations are man-made.

The Fall Season of Ages began c.4900 B.C.E., with the tropical-Sign Age of Libra. It culminated in City-state Civilization in the Tigris Euphrates Valley, when writing (cuneiform) was invented, c. 3300 to 3100 B.C.E., just prior to the tropical-Sign Age of Scorpio, which resulted in the culture of Ancient Egypt.

You know about the Ubaid and Uruk city-state cultures? They worshipped the planet Venus, which correlates for both the tropical Age of Libra AND the overlapping sidereal Age of Taurus.

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I've never seen Pisces symbolized by a cross.

Here's the Capricorn connection to the word "Cross", using the Roman numeral X:

X = 10
Capricorn is the 10th Sign.
X= Cross, as in Ped Xing, and RR Xing

Also, it became the base-ten Age of the Decimal system
The new dating system, introduced in 525 A.D., is arranged with base-ten zeros for decades, centuries, and millennia

Pisces connects to astrology as the 12th Sign of the 12-Sign Zodiac
Christanity is not down with astrology. The Church condemned it.

For the water symbolism,
Capricorn is the materialistic Water-sign, the Goatfish, or Seagoat

The goat was used in the Hebrew culture to carry away Sins, and was known as the Scapegoat, "Azazel"

Capricorn's problem is the rulership of Saturn. Saturn is the reason for the Crucifixion, not the ruler of Pisces.

The birthday of Jesus as celebrated is in early tropical Capricorn, just after the Winter Solstice, in December, which means "10th Month".

And, I gotta say this--as for Pisces being the Sign of perpetual crucifixion and suffering--as a solid Piscean myself, I say FTS!



The Fish as a Symbol of Christianity. The fish has been an important Christian symbol, not only because of the fact that Jesus included several fishermen in his close circle, but also because The initial letters of each word in the Greek phrase "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior" form the word ICHTHUS, which means "fish.".


  1. The symbolism of the fish emerged from the Greeks - Ichthys. The fish, which many …
  2. The fish (ichthys) was used as code for persecuted Christians to meet. During the …
  3. The fish (Ichthys) could be used in determining who was a Christian and who was …
  4. The Christian fish relates to several Scripture references of fish in the Bible
Image of the Fish (in Greek on the link ) , in the end of the tropical Piscean Age:


https://earlychurchhistory.org/chris...ymbol-ichthus/


Augustine (354-430) elaborates: “Of these five Greek words (Iesous, Christos, Theou, Uios, Soter), should you group together the letters, you would form the word ichthus, fish, the mystical name of Jesus the Christ who, in the abyss of our mortality, as though in the depths of the sea, was able to remain alive, that is, free from sin.” The City of God 23
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The Fish as a Symbol of Christianity. The fish has been an important Christian symbol, not only because of the fact that Jesus included several fishermen in his close circle, but also because The initial letters of each word in the Greek phrase "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior" form the word ICHTHUS, which means "fish.".


  1. The symbolism of the fish emerged from the Greeks - Ichthys. The fish, which many …
  2. The fish (ichthys) was used as code for persecuted Christians to meet. During the …
  3. The fish (Ichthys) could be used in determining who was a Christian and who was …
  4. The Christian fish relates to several Scripture references of fish in the Bible
Image of the Fish (in Greek on the link ) , in the end of the tropical Piscean Age:


https://earlychurchhistory.org/chris...ymbol-ichthus/


Augustine (354-430) elaborates: “Of these five Greek words (Iesous, Christos, Theou, Uios, Soter), should you group together the letters, you would form the word ichthus, fish, the mystical name of Jesus the Christ who, in the abyss of our mortality, as though in the depths of the sea, was able to remain alive, that is, free from sin.” The City of God 23

The retrograde sidereal Piscean Age blends with the direct tropical Capricornian Age.

Today, the Cross is the dominant symbol of the organized churches. The Pope's headdress is fish-like, and the fish symbol is being used on automobiles, of all places!

The Piscean fish symbolize the physical/spiritual connection, with the horizontal fish of the constellation Pisces as physical, and tied, or "yoked", to the upward-swimming fish as spiritual.

This is the essential meaning of the Hindu word "Yoga".

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Looking at the numerology regarding Aquarius as Sign#11

Sign#11 = 1+1 = Sign#2

That's Aquarius, an Air-sign, in a continuous loop, transforming into Taurus, an Earth-sign, and back again.

I take it to mean the Mind/Body connection. I'm hoping the Aquarian Age will enable our ability to naturally heal ourselves using mental capabilities which are currently difficult or even impossible to access--"off-line".

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Jesus called James & John "Sons of Thunder" He was Zebedee a wealthy man who owned a fishing fleet and hired fishermen. According to Edgar Cayce by 1930s standards, he would have been comparable to a millionaire. Zebedee also owned a large house in Jerusalem, and it was there in the huge dining room on the "upper floor" where the Last Supper took place (the Passover celebration of wine, dancing & bread-stuffs)
This was the place and event whereas Jesus told them one would turn him in to the authorities.


(father of James & John) - Zebedee and his wife also had a son named Raoul who was the bridegroom at the 1st miracle of the wine) ...and a daughter named Mary (the other Mary)


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22. The entity then was given to the obtaining and leasing of privileges to others, and was engaged - as were the sons - in the fleets, or fishing; though these were only a small part of the entity's activities itself. Edgar Cayce reading 420-6

Although Jesus gave a description of what went on at the Last Supper including dining, laughing & dancing - it was in the Gnostic Texts that we learn about "The Round Dance" which was a highly symbolic dance they did -



https://thejesusquestion.org/2012/03...-of-the-cross/
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The Gnostic Texts:
Found in 1947 in a cave nor from from Luxor Egypt, upriver - in a small village called Nag-Hammadi

The Gnostics are thought to have a connection to the Essenes community in present day Israel - and then, elsewhere.


https://yogainternational.com/articl...in-a-new-light




http://www.gnosis.org/welcome.html


The “Round Dance of the Savior,” a sacred dance ritual from the ancient Acts of John, is one of the most remarkable texts of the early Christian Gnostic movement. It relates how after the Last Supper Jesus gathered his disciples into a circle around him.


The lyrics found paragraph 95 (between 94-96 here) A highly symbolic mystical dance. Perhaps not too unlike Rumi's dance of the Whirling Dervishes: https://library.acropolis.org/rumi-the-mystic/


https://theculturetrip.com/europe/tu...rling-dervish/


meaning - significant to those being taught the path by a mystic teacher -



Cayce said Jesus played the harp during the Last Supper in Zebedee's large "upper room" with his close circle of friends.
I can "imagine" he did so as well, when they did the Round Dance of the Saviour





http://www.gnosis.org/library/actjohn.htm
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Jesus called James & John "Sons of Thunder" He was Zebedee a wealthy man who owned a fishing fleet and hired fishermen. According to Edgar Cayce by 1930s standards, he would have been comparable to a millionaire. Zebedee also owned a large house in Jerusalem, and it was there in the huge dining room on the "upper floor" where the Last Supper took place (the Passover celebration of wine, dancing & bread-stuffs)
This was the place and event whereas Jesus told them one would turn him in to the authorities.


(father of James & John) - Zebedee and his wife also had a son named Raoul who was the bridegroom at the 1st miracle of the wine) ...and a daughter named Mary (the other Mary)





Although Jesus gave a description of what went on at the Last Supper including dining, laughing & dancing - it was in the Gnostic Texts that we learn about "The Round Dance" which was a highly symbolic dance they did -



https://thejesusquestion.org/2012/03...-of-the-cross/

Notice the current birthdate, Dec. 25, (tropical tenth Sun-sign), in the Roman "X" (tenth) Month, and known as "Xmas", from "the annointed one" in Greek.

Judas "crossed" Jesus, meaning he betrayed him.
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The symbol for Pisces isn't just one fish, it's two, tied together and swimming in opposite directions.

This can mean the extremes of the two Signs of Solstice, & , with Pisces relying on its Earth-sign partner for stability and material well-being, and its Water-sign partner for imagination and spiritual connectivity.
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As for the glyph, , turned on its side, it's a frown on the bottom connected to a smile on the top!




Gotta keep them balanced, with some help from Libra.

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5 future presidents in an Aquarian age America, all are Democrats.
1. Kamala Harris (1961) - current vice president and air sign Libra sun.
2. Elizabeth Warren (1949) - air sign Gemini sun cusp Cancer.
3. Anthony Villaraigosa (1953) - Aquarius sun.
4. Gavin Newsom (1967) - air sign Libra sun.
5. Chelsea Clinton (1980) - sidereal Aquarius sun, tropical Pisces.
and 6. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (1989) - similarly air sign Libra sun.
Unfortunately, Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders aren't going to be presidents.

Republicans in the Aquarian age who ran for president with an Aquarian nature.
1. Sarah Palin (1962) - Aquarius sun/moon.
2. J.E. Bush (1951) - Aquarius sun.
3. Caitlyn Jenner (1949) - Aquarius moon/ASC.
4. Kevin Stitt (1972) - it turns out his tropical 7' Capricorn sun is Villaraigosa's sidereal sun placement. Mitt Romney has a sidereal Aquarius sun, Pisces moon.
5. Meghan McCain (1984) - air sign Libra sun cusp Scorpio.
and 6. Dana Loesch (1978) - another air sign Libra sun.
I don't see Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney will ever run for president, not going to happen.

Edits: Andrew Cuomo, Gretchen Whitmer, Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis...are tinged with controversies, esp in regards to their own partisan responses to COVID in their states when they are governors...NY and MI vs TX and FL, but none of them are any bit Aquarian.

Andrew Cuomo has a Gemini moon while Gretchen Whitmer has a Libra moon, compatible in an Aquarian age for their air sign moons. CA Lieu Gov Elena Kounalakis has a Gemini/Cancer moon and a sidereal Aquarius/tropical Pisces sun, compatible as well in today's politics. And Pelosi has a sidereal Libra moon, while Sanders has a very active 11th Aquarian house where his Virgo sun happens to be.

and George P Bush, son of JEB (1976), Aries/Taurus (more like it) sun and Aquarius/Pisces moon (in sidereal, definitely an Aquarius).
In the Aquarian age, America will have 6 presidents with an Aquarian nature.
1 (47). Harris (2023-29) defeated Paul Ryan in 2024.
2 (48). Warren (2029-37) defeated Rand Paul in 2028.
3 (49). Newsom (2037-45) defeated George P Bush in 2036.
4 (50). AOC (2045-53) one of 3 first women presidents.
5 (51). Chelsea Clinton (2053-61) to carry on her parents' legacy.
It is thought Hillary Rodham Clinton was like a co-president when she was first lady when her husband Bill Clinton was the actual president (1993-2001).

And for CA, 5 governors with an Aquarian nature.
1. Caitlyn Jenner (2023-29) while Gavin Newsom is expected to get recalled.
2. Eleni Kounalakis (2029-37) one of the first 2 women governors.
3. Tony Villaraigosa (2037-45) who would be in his 80s then.
Tony was the first Hispanic or Latinx mayor of L.A. in 130 years in the 2000s and he could be the first Hispanic or Latinx governor of CA since the 1870s.

If you're a progressive Liberal for social justice or a registered Democrat, this is going to be a 90% Left-wing era, esp in my state CA. I know Jenner and G.P. Bush are Republicans, however, they expressed more socially liberal beliefs.

And I don't see another Kennedy president, Maria Shriver (1955 without any air signs nor Aquarius placements) has no desire to run for president nor run for CA state governor. Also Cruz Bustamente (New Years week 1953) was a Lieu Governor and he lost his governor campaign bid to Shriver's husband Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2003, when Gray Davis was recalled. He also lacks Aquarian placements (he was born on Christmas day 1942) and he's related to Shriver.
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In 2021 in an age supposedly about peace and unity, the world is preparing for a global conflict with China over issues of economic imbalances, large military buildup, technological piracy and hacking, human rights abuses, aggression against other countries, persecution of ethnic minorities, crackdown on pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, and the COVID pandemic's origin in that country.
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In 2021 in an age supposedly about peace and unity, the world is preparing for a global conflict with China over issues of economic imbalances, large military buildup, technological piracy and hacking, human rights abuses, aggression against other countries, persecution of ethnic minorities, crackdown on pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, and the COVID pandemic's origin in that country.

Tropical Age of Cap, man, like I been sayin'. Saturn/Mars is kickin' our butts!

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Given the numerology: 1+0=1 for the tropical Age of #10 Capricorn's power dynamics, and 1+1=2 for #11 Aquarius, that pairs Saturn with Mars for the Age of Capricorn and Uran with Venus for the Age of Aquarius.

Even for Trads, who don't accept Uran as an astrological planet, it would still change the nature of Saturn's Age-rulership from Saturn/Mars in this tropical Age of Capricorn to Saturn/Venus for the upcoming tropical Age of Aquarius.
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You wish to explore the Tropical Ages. I presume, that as Tropical is based on 0 degrees Aries, it would start there. But when? Did it start when tropical started?


As you are aware I prefer tropical for natal.



But, I study Sidereal for the ages, because of my study of ancient history. Tropical wasn't there.
I'm using both. The retrograde Piscean sidereal Age is prevalent in India, for example, but the more forceful, direct Capricornian tropical Age, prevalent in the West, is causing a sort of "manifest destiny" to create a Saturnian, One-World economy which will dominate the entire planet. Again, 10 numerologically converts to 1, with Mars as ruler of Sign#1. Hence, the "World Wars".

Notice the Western monotheism that took power almost immediately in Europe at the beginning of the tropical Age of Capricorn c.400 A.D., demanding conversion by polytheists to the worship of One God.

And, the motto of the (predominantly Christian) U.S., "E Pluribus Unum" meaning the many converted to one, combined with "Novus Seclorum", meaning "New Order of the Ages" and "Annuit Coeptis" translated as "God Favors Our Enterprise".

The "New" feature is due to the Cardinal nature of Capricorn, since the Cardinal-signs begin a new tropical Season. Just as the tropical, Cardinal-sign Age of Libra spawned city-state civilization, which replaced the Neolithic Era, this Cardinal-sign Age is gradually replacing City-States and Nations with 10, combined, economic "Free Trade Zones".

The change in focus from religious unification to economic unity is due to the Earth-sign nature of this tropical Age, concentrated on the Material realm.

This makes the destruction of the "World Trade Center" HIGHLY significant , relative to the Imperative of the tropical Age of Capricorn.

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Jesus called James & John "Sons of Thunder" He was Zebedee a wealthy man who owned a fishing fleet and hired fishermen. According to Edgar Cayce by 1930s standards, he would have been comparable to a millionaire. Zebedee also owned a large house in Jerusalem, and it was there in the huge dining room on the "upper floor" where the Last Supper took place (the Passover celebration of wine, dancing & bread-stuffs)
This was the place and event whereas Jesus told them one would turn him in to the authorities.


(father of James & John) - Zebedee and his wife also had a son named Raoul who was the bridegroom at the 1st miracle of the wine) ...and a daughter named Mary (the other Mary)





Although Jesus gave a description of what went on at the Last Supper including dining, laughing & dancing - it was in the Gnostic Texts that we learn about "The Round Dance" which was a highly symbolic dance they did -



https://thejesusquestion.org/2012/03...-of-the-cross/
Hi Leomoon, The link isn’t working for me, but I will look this up on YouTube. I like reading things from the Nag Hamadi. I was not aware of the round dance. Seems to harken to a prayer to the zodiac. Cool! I will get my book out and read more.

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The Gnostic Texts:
Found in 1947 in a cave nor from from Luxor Egypt, upriver - in a small village called Nag-Hammadi

The Gnostics are thought to have a connection to the Essenes community in present day Israel - and then, elsewhere.


https://yogainternational.com/articl...in-a-new-light




http://www.gnosis.org/welcome.html


The “Round Dance of the Savior,” a sacred dance ritual from the ancient Acts of John, is one of the most remarkable texts of the early Christian Gnostic movement. It relates how after the Last Supper Jesus gathered his disciples into a circle around him.


The lyrics found paragraph 95 (between 94-96 here) A highly symbolic mystical dance. Perhaps not too unlike Rumi's dance of the Whirling Dervishes: https://library.acropolis.org/rumi-the-mystic/


https://theculturetrip.com/europe/tu...rling-dervish/


meaning - significant to those being taught the path by a mystic teacher -



Cayce said Jesus played the harp during the Last Supper in Zebedee's large "upper room" with his close circle of friends.
I can "imagine" he did so as well, when they did the Round Dance of the Saviour





http://www.gnosis.org/library/actjohn.htm
I love watching the whirling dervishes! They remind me of the axis and the spinning of the earth. I also have read that they were the “hashassins” derived to “assassins” derived from “hash eaters”
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Notice the current birthdate, Dec. 25, (tropical tenth Sun-sign), in the Roman "X" (tenth) Month, and known as "Xmas", from "the annointed one" in Greek.

Judas "crossed" Jesus, meaning he betrayed him.
Whenever I see “crossed” I think of a conjunction. When did the star attributed to Jesus, get crossed by the star attributed to Judas?
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The good, the bad and the ugly sides of Aquarius! “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction”
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"Tragic" is derived from "Cry of the goat" in ancient Greek.

This tropical Age of Capricorn, despite the many wonderful technological and cultural achievements, has been and still is tragic in many ways.

It also has scary occult undercurrents related to the Age-sign Rulership.

MUCH more comforting to just ignore it, and blame Neptune and sidereal Pisces, along with the not-yet-in-progress Aquarian Age, for all of our problems.

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The Gnostic Texts:
Found in 1947 in a cave nor from from Luxor Egypt, upriver - in a small village called Nag-Hammadi

The Gnostics are thought to have a connection to the Essenes community in present day Israel - and then, elsewhere.


https://yogainternational.com/articl...in-a-new-light




http://www.gnosis.org/welcome.html


The “Round Dance of the Savior,” a sacred dance ritual from the ancient Acts of John, is one of the most remarkable texts of the early Christian Gnostic movement. It relates how after the Last Supper Jesus gathered his disciples into a circle around him.


The lyrics found paragraph 95 (between 94-96 here) A highly symbolic mystical dance. Perhaps not too unlike Rumi's dance of the Whirling Dervishes: https://library.acropolis.org/rumi-the-mystic/


https://theculturetrip.com/europe/tu...rling-dervish/


meaning - significant to those being taught the path by a mystic teacher -



Cayce said Jesus played the harp during the Last Supper in Zebedee's large "upper room" with his close circle of friends.
I can "imagine" he did so as well, when they did the Round Dance of the Saviour





http://www.gnosis.org/library/actjohn.htm
I did a little bit of reading. Nicklas Forster, apparently amongst others is writing about Judas being the Sun. And that he comes before the other disciples, also astral entities. Surmising that the Nag Hamadi’s are a description of the movement of the stars. Unfortunately I am having trouble finding his writings in English.

Another site has Judas as Pisces. I am not sure if it means to represent the sun in Pisces or not. I will continue reading.
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I did a little bit of reading. Nicklas Forster, apparently amongst others is writing about Judas being the Sun. And that he comes before the other disciples, also astral entities. Surmising that the Nag Hamadi’s are a description of the movement of the stars. Unfortunately I am having trouble finding his writings in English.

Another site has Judas as Pisces. I am not sure if it means to represent the sun in Pisces or not. I will continue reading.



I haven't heard of him. There are some however who warn that not all Gnostics were true. Some were questionable, in that they existed to outdo the true ones, so I read with a grain of salt or two.


Check out the "Overview" here of the Gospel of Judas ....especially the last sentence, for which I agree it is likely so: (not needing a sacrifice) BTW, Pisces is a symbol of martyrdom and sacrifice.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas
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I ran across this one. What a lovely thought



https://www.ibenedictines.org/tag/th...sus-and-judas/


The cross now stands empty, having done its work. Jesus descends into the underworld to seek and save the dead. Among them, surely, is his friend, Judas.




When I imagine Judas and an astrology sign, I think of a material sign such as Capricorn - and then I think - "Pisces or Scorpio" water signs.
What he did was full of emotional torment within him.
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I will be back later Leomoon, I am still working, but I love what you are putting forward!
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I haven't heard of him. There are some however who warn that not all Gnostics were true. Some were questionable, in that they existed to outdo the true ones, so I read with a grain of salt or two.


Check out the "Overview" here of the Gospel of Judas ....especially the last sentence, for which I agree it is likely so: (not needing a sacrifice) BTW, Pisces is a symbol of martyrdom and sacrifice.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

So, Christian belief has it that they are saved by "The Blood of the Fish"?
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