Note: Robert Hand has fairly extensive information regarding the more ancient concept of the POF (and the related POS) Note also that the originators of the POF concept (the ancient Hellenists) considered as conjunct with the POF and and every planet within the sign the POF occupies (no orb relative to conjunction IF the other planet/s are in the same sign ONLY) Also, the POF itself makes no aspects but it IS aspected by planets (orbs must be tight)-see the Hand literature on this subject.
Pt Fortune; what is YOUR pot-of-gold!
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fullmoonlibra
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I like the trine to your jupiter in first.
You must do something with it, great aspect.
You will be in spotlight somehow.
Use that creativity and expansion.
You must do something with it, great aspect.
You will be in spotlight somehow.
Use that creativity and expansion.
hi rageypoo,
i have been looking closely at the pof lately, so i will offer some of what i have found.. much of this is in the robert hand article that dr. farr has encouraged everyone to read.. here is that article that will be useful.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm
this is an old tool/technique used to understand a persons chart, and fortune better.. it is arrived at by combining 3 important points to the chart - sun, moon and ascendant... it might be best to understand the pof by working within the framework of the astrology at the time which includes a focus on sect and the use of whole sign houses.. without this framework, you are essentially on your own in arriving at conclusions to it's meaning and relevance..
the point is arrived differently depending on whether it is a nocturnal or diurnal - night or day) chart...
the pof is also used like an alternative house system with the point by sign as representing the 1st house for the pof.. in your chart this puts gemini on the 1st house.. certain houses were favoured more then others, so having venus, and mars in a nocturnal chart in the 11th house of the part of fortune, while the moon is in the 4th would be considered favourable.. hopefully you see how i got to this! the ruler of the pof would be mercury and it is operating in a diurnal manner, in a diurnal sign in a nocturnal chart... by sect this is not as favourable, but mercury in aquarius is in it's own triplicity, terms and face, which would be considered beneficial...not sure how it balances out as i am still learning how to use all this info.. mercury along with jupiter and sun are in the 9th house of the pof which is considered a favourable house.. saturn is out of sect, above the horizon and in a nocturnal sign - so one would say on the basis of sect, saturn is not favourably placed in your chart... it is in the 6th house from the pof as well...
my understanding is that the pof is one of 3 or 4 parts that one would look to in order to get a better understanding of the chart.. the other 2 are part of spirit and the part of basis.. there are many other parts, but i believe these are considered most significant given how they show the relationship between the sun, moon and ascendant.. the part of basis is a combo of the pof and the pos, ,lol...
hopefully this will be something you can chew on... good luck unraveling the meaning of the pof in your chart! you might also want to consider reading the free pdf file on valens work that mark riley translated which you can find here..
http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/astrologers/vettius-valens/
have fun!@
i have been looking closely at the pof lately, so i will offer some of what i have found.. much of this is in the robert hand article that dr. farr has encouraged everyone to read.. here is that article that will be useful.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm
this is an old tool/technique used to understand a persons chart, and fortune better.. it is arrived at by combining 3 important points to the chart - sun, moon and ascendant... it might be best to understand the pof by working within the framework of the astrology at the time which includes a focus on sect and the use of whole sign houses.. without this framework, you are essentially on your own in arriving at conclusions to it's meaning and relevance..
the point is arrived differently depending on whether it is a nocturnal or diurnal - night or day) chart...
the pof is also used like an alternative house system with the point by sign as representing the 1st house for the pof.. in your chart this puts gemini on the 1st house.. certain houses were favoured more then others, so having venus, and mars in a nocturnal chart in the 11th house of the part of fortune, while the moon is in the 4th would be considered favourable.. hopefully you see how i got to this! the ruler of the pof would be mercury and it is operating in a diurnal manner, in a diurnal sign in a nocturnal chart... by sect this is not as favourable, but mercury in aquarius is in it's own triplicity, terms and face, which would be considered beneficial...not sure how it balances out as i am still learning how to use all this info.. mercury along with jupiter and sun are in the 9th house of the pof which is considered a favourable house.. saturn is out of sect, above the horizon and in a nocturnal sign - so one would say on the basis of sect, saturn is not favourably placed in your chart... it is in the 6th house from the pof as well...
my understanding is that the pof is one of 3 or 4 parts that one would look to in order to get a better understanding of the chart.. the other 2 are part of spirit and the part of basis.. there are many other parts, but i believe these are considered most significant given how they show the relationship between the sun, moon and ascendant.. the part of basis is a combo of the pof and the pos, ,lol...
hopefully this will be something you can chew on... good luck unraveling the meaning of the pof in your chart! you might also want to consider reading the free pdf file on valens work that mark riley translated which you can find here..
http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/astrologers/vettius-valens/
have fun!@
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Caro
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this is a more simplistic interpretation than others posted but useful nonetheless.
http://horoscopeswithin.com/partoffortuneinhouses.php
my POF is in libra on 12th house cusp. it doesnt really aspect anything (well I guess quincunx venus) I have only become aware of it in past few years. So think a bit ike north node maybe you grow into it. certainly meditation is a great source of inspiration with me and I think this life is about karmic issues.
maybe for you with conj to chiron in 5th - you may work with children in someway - disabled children/or disadvantaged - autistic children. as a positive expression of this. depends on rest of chart.
http://horoscopeswithin.com/partoffortuneinhouses.php
my POF is in libra on 12th house cusp. it doesnt really aspect anything (well I guess quincunx venus) I have only become aware of it in past few years. So think a bit ike north node maybe you grow into it. certainly meditation is a great source of inspiration with me and I think this life is about karmic issues.
maybe for you with conj to chiron in 5th - you may work with children in someway - disabled children/or disadvantaged - autistic children. as a positive expression of this. depends on rest of chart.
Rageypoo
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I would...never do that lol
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JUPITERASC
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Part I – The Lots
I’ll go on to explain the five different lots, so you see the usefulness.
The Lot of Fortune
The key. This is the native’s potential for prosperity, the character of the native, and another characterization of the native’s physical body. It is the medium through which the other lots operate, as it is the ‘physical body’, thus the vehicle through which the native executes their ambitions. It can also be considered a gateway.
Strong – The native is blessed with the vitality to achieve fortune, as well as auspicious character. They also have potential for great prosperity. If the other lots are fortunate, then we have a good medium through which privileged promise can operate. They may be ambitious.
Weak – The physical form may hinder attainment in some fashion, and/or the character of the native is not conducive towards success. They may not have a great promise of prosperity. If other lots promise great things, the native himself may be too weak to realize such gains. They may not even care for great success.
source: The Five Lots of Success, Your Fortune Chart by Ray Austin on the Education Board http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13197
I’ll go on to explain the five different lots, so you see the usefulness.
The Lot of Fortune
The key. This is the native’s potential for prosperity, the character of the native, and another characterization of the native’s physical body. It is the medium through which the other lots operate, as it is the ‘physical body’, thus the vehicle through which the native executes their ambitions. It can also be considered a gateway.
Strong – The native is blessed with the vitality to achieve fortune, as well as auspicious character. They also have potential for great prosperity. If the other lots are fortunate, then we have a good medium through which privileged promise can operate. They may be ambitious.
Weak – The physical form may hinder attainment in some fashion, and/or the character of the native is not conducive towards success. They may not have a great promise of prosperity. If other lots promise great things, the native himself may be too weak to realize such gains. They may not even care for great success.
source: The Five Lots of Success, Your Fortune Chart by Ray Austin on the Education Board http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13197
Rageypoo
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Part I – The Lots
I’ll go on to explain the five different lots, so you see the usefulness.
The Lot of Fortune
The key. This is the native’s potential for prosperity, the character of the native, and another characterization of the native’s physical body. It is the medium through which the other lots operate, as it is the ‘physical body’, thus the vehicle through which the native executes their ambitions. It can also be considered a gateway.
Strong – The native is blessed with the vitality to achieve fortune, as well as auspicious character. They also have potential for great prosperity. If the other lots are fortunate, then we have a good medium through which privileged promise can operate. They may be ambitious.
Weak – The physical form may hinder attainment in some fashion, and/or the character of the native is not conducive towards success. They may not have a great promise of prosperity. If other lots promise great things, the native himself may be too weak to realize such gains. They may not even care for great success.
source: The Five Lots of Success, Your Fortune Chart by Ray Austin on the Education Board http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13197
What determines if the fortune is strong, or weak?
JUPITERASC
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Scrolling down the page on that Ray Austin link http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13197 one finds the following advice
I. Judging Strength of Lot Rulers
For judging the lots and the part of fortune rulers, I’ve noticed that using Lilly’s point system doesn’t work, maybe because it was developed for horary mostly.
Consider this:
• Planet in sect or not in the normal natal chart.
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2008/11/25/the-astrology-of-sect/
for current sect discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43920
Saturn and Jupiter are of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Saturn and Jupiter are the Sun’s co-sectarians.
Venus and Mars are of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Venus and Mars are the Moon’s co-sectarians.
Mercury as a morning star is of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian, along with Saturn and Jupiter.
Mercury as an evening star is of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian, along with Venus and Mars.
i.e.
If the chart is a day chart, then the diurnal sect is in favour and the Sun is the sect leader and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is a morning star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.
If the chart is a night chart, then the nocturnal sect is in favour and the Moon is the sect leader and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is an evening star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour
• Planet in joy, or house of its joy in fortune chart.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/joy.php
• Dignity or debilitation by sign.
• Dignity or Debility by House placement (in radical chart, as well).
• Accidental dignity or debility.
• Oriental or occidental to the sun. Oriental, meaning rising before the sun is an added bonus.
• Oppositions to a malefic which can signal trouble, delay, or loss.
• Being in same sign or in conjunction with a malefic, or benefic.
• Being in the dignities of a malefic or benefic
• Whether the planet has lordship over the planetary hour, or day.
• If the lot ruler opposes its own lot sign.
• If the lot ruler is rising or ascending in the radical chart, or if it is declining (falling below the horizon)
• Most important: Whether it is culminating (ten signs away from) from the ascendant, or lot of fortune, which is a very large added bonus, and in itself tells that the native will be notable by the fashion and nature of the ruler.
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Rageypoo
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Scrolling down the page on that Ray Austin link http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13197 one finds the following advice
I. Judging Strength of Lot Rulers
For judging the lots and the part of fortune rulers, I’ve noticed that using Lilly’s point system doesn’t work, maybe because it was developed for horary mostly.
Consider this:
• Planet in sect or not in the normal natal chart.
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2008/11/25/the-astrology-of-sect/
for current sect discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43920
Saturn and Jupiter are of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Saturn and Jupiter are the Sun’s co-sectarians.
Venus and Mars are of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Venus and Mars are the Moon’s co-sectarians.
Mercury as a morning star is of the diurnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian, along with Saturn and Jupiter.
Mercury as an evening star is of the nocturnal sect, whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian, along with Venus and Mars.
i.e.
If the chart is a day chart, then the diurnal sect is in favour and the Sun is the sect leader and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is a morning star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.
If the chart is a night chart, then the nocturnal sect is in favour and the Moon is the sect leader and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour: and if Mercury is an evening star, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour
• Planet in joy, or house of its joy in fortune chart.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/joy.php
• Dignity or debilitation by sign.
• Dignity or Debility by House placement (in radical chart, as well).
• Accidental dignity or debility.
• Oriental or occidental to the sun. Oriental, meaning rising before the sun is an added bonus.
• Oppositions to a malefic which can signal trouble, delay, or loss.
• Being in same sign or in conjunction with a malefic, or benefic.
• Being in the dignities of a malefic or benefic
• Whether the planet has lordship over the planetary hour, or day.
• If the lot ruler opposes its own lot sign.
• If the lot ruler is rising or ascending in the radical chart, or if it is declining (falling below the horizon)
• Most important: Whether it is culminating (ten signs away from) from the ascendant, or lot of fortune, which is a very large added bonus, and in itself tells that the native will be notable by the fashion and nature of the ruler.
I appreciate the info...but I'm looking for astrologers opinions if possible (give me your opinions please) I love being able to go online and read what the experts have to say, but I would like to actually hear how the other astrologers interp these aspects.
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JUPITERASC
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I had the impression that you were searching for the necessary information to enable you to calculate the strength of your Part of Fortune Rageypoo.
If anyone would like to do that, then my opinion is that the link and information I posted are sufficient to calculate the weakness/strength of anyone's Part of Fortune: therefore the information may yet be useful for readers of your thread who are interested
Rageypoo
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I had the impression that you were searching for the necessary information to enable you to calculate the strength of your Part of Fortune Rageypoo.
If anyone would like to do that, then my opinion is that the link and information I posted are sufficient to calculate the weakness/strength of anyone's Part of Fortune: therefore the information may yet be useful for readers of your thread who are interested
ok thanks anyways then, great for others I suppose...
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Vagabondgirl
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My "Pot of gold" is in Gemini late degrees. I also have Chiron and AC in that sign.... POF is in my 2nd house. Ruler of POF is Mercury (strong in my chart), but conj. pluto in scorpio. I think that for me value lies in intellectual things like learning new languages, meeting new people, studying abroad and learning as much as possible in general.
Im not such a money person in that I want to become as rich as possible and not so materialistic in that way. But I still like stylish, beautiful things sometimes and shopping is one of my weak sides....
Venus and Mars square my POF and Sun trines it.
My boyfriend has his Sun exactly conjunct my POF, and I feel he brings out these gemini qualities in my life, like the value of intellectual things and keeping ourselves busy with something like this most of the time. And also a strong way of communication across borders
Im not such a money person in that I want to become as rich as possible and not so materialistic in that way. But I still like stylish, beautiful things sometimes and shopping is one of my weak sides....
Venus and Mars square my POF and Sun trines it.
My boyfriend has his Sun exactly conjunct my POF, and I feel he brings out these gemini qualities in my life, like the value of intellectual things and keeping ourselves busy with something like this most of the time. And also a strong way of communication across borders
Rageypoo
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My "Pot of gold" is in Gemini late degrees. I also have Chiron and AC in that sign.... POF is in my 2nd house. Ruler of POF is Mercury (strong in my chart), but conj. pluto in scorpio. I think that for me value lies in intellectual things like learning new languages, meeting new people, studying abroad and learning as much as possible in general.
Im not such a money person in that I want to become as rich as possible and not so materialistic in that way. But I still like stylish, beautiful things sometimes and shopping is one of my weak sides....
Venus and Mars square my POF and Sun trines it.
My boyfriend has his Sun exactly conjunct my POF, and I feel he brings out these gemini qualities in my life, like the value of intellectual things and keeping ourselves busy with something like this most of the time. And also a strong way of communication across borders
So with sun trining, wealth comes easy for you, despite the mars square?
Vagabondgirl
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Hmmmm. Hard to say, Im still studying So think I have to work for my money. But my partners have helped me when Ive had financial downs. And Im lucky to be born into a wealthy country so to say. It was my own choice to study for as long as I have now. But for me with "hard work" by studying so much, it will be better in the future, and I also gain important knowledge for myself
So think I have to work for my money. But my partners have helped me when Ive had financial downs. And Im lucky to be born into a wealthy country so to say. It was my own choice to study for as long as I have now. But for me with "hard work" by studying so much, it will be better in the future, and I also gain important knowledge for myself
astrologer50
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POF
http://www.astrotherapy.eu/ParsFortunae.htm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-5210.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOVfJmEFH4
http://www.arlenekramer.net/astrology8.asp
last one is POF conj planets
“However, in the case of both significations one must keep in mind that no one indication in the chart, not even the Part of Fortune, can be taken by itself as a total indicator of any area of life. For health one must also look at the Ascendant, its ruler, the Moon and its ruler. Also the sixth and eighth houses as indicators of illness and death respectively have strong indications for health. For material prosperity one should also look at the second house, the tenth house, and their rulers.”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm
“The fortune indicated by this part is not necessarily materialistic or even tangible, though it can be. It depends on the sign and house location of the Part of Fortune. The benefit can be on the physical, intellectual, emotional, and/or spiritual plane of experience. In all cases it is through the cultivation and expression of this point that one will experience harmony and a sense of well-being.”
http://www.astroresources.com/fortune.htm
“The Part of Fortune represents worldly success, and is associated with the physical body and health as well. It can be indicative of the career or vocation. Worldly success and prosperity are associated with the Part of Fortune, and both its sign and house placement suggests innate abilities and talents--areas of life and qualities that are expressed naturally.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html
just found a site for calculating this and many more Parts or Lots --
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php
http://www.astrotherapy.eu/ParsFortunae.htm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-5210.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOVfJmEFH4
http://www.arlenekramer.net/astrology8.asp
last one is POF conj planets
“However, in the case of both significations one must keep in mind that no one indication in the chart, not even the Part of Fortune, can be taken by itself as a total indicator of any area of life. For health one must also look at the Ascendant, its ruler, the Moon and its ruler. Also the sixth and eighth houses as indicators of illness and death respectively have strong indications for health. For material prosperity one should also look at the second house, the tenth house, and their rulers.”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm
“The fortune indicated by this part is not necessarily materialistic or even tangible, though it can be. It depends on the sign and house location of the Part of Fortune. The benefit can be on the physical, intellectual, emotional, and/or spiritual plane of experience. In all cases it is through the cultivation and expression of this point that one will experience harmony and a sense of well-being.”
http://www.astroresources.com/fortune.htm
“The Part of Fortune represents worldly success, and is associated with the physical body and health as well. It can be indicative of the career or vocation. Worldly success and prosperity are associated with the Part of Fortune, and both its sign and house placement suggests innate abilities and talents--areas of life and qualities that are expressed naturally.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html
just found a site for calculating this and many more Parts or Lots --
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php
astrologer50
Banned
having a brief look ragey, POF conj chiron suggests a wound connected to love affairs, children and all 5th house matters. BUT having N Node conj POF also suggests that albeit wide orb in late taurus conj gemini. Is learning about practical taurean sensulatities, loyalty, reliabilty and be more fixed and not easily driven off course like gemini might be.
POF Gemini and chiron are ruled by air/communications and tend to impart lots of bits of information, perhaps to children, lovers. Recreational matters should incorporate variety, somewhere you can adapt and grow (like on AW) for example...
with mars/venus sextile POF,chiron it could be linked to sexual matters and more so relationships...
POF Gemini and chiron are ruled by air/communications and tend to impart lots of bits of information, perhaps to children, lovers. Recreational matters should incorporate variety, somewhere you can adapt and grow (like on AW) for example...
with mars/venus sextile POF,chiron it could be linked to sexual matters and more so relationships...
Rageypoo
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yeaaaaa this is what I was looking for, thank you for the input!
AW has been a good outlet, I like it! I wonder what other types of outlets would be better though, I try going to school and wile I do well, it's so boring, and I really hate it.
So relationships, hmm...how do you think the sextiles would show in sexual matters? thoughts?
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Rageypoo
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Well from what I know, venus and jupiter making a positive aspect are "benificial" planets wile saturn and mars are "malefic" but the definition of malefic is very vague, since it doesn't seem to always be completely detrimental. I'd imagine that with a virgo trine to 3rd would help you deal with problems in your immediate surroundings, being effective in communication, creating harmony (you could do well as a mediator for example) since you have a clear and level head when it comes to communication (3rd is mercury/gemini territory)
at the very least, inner peace should be easy to accomplish, and writing should be natural to you, post your chart = )
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