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Relocation vs Natal chart?

A question I have and didn't know where to ask,so feel free to move it.

Which one do I read and interpret?
My Natal chart or the Relocation one?I am currently living in a different country than the one I was born and I am kind of confused.
Just today I did my relocation chart and was pretty surprised with the planets in the 12th house which is surprisingly accurate even more so than when they were in 1st house.
What difference does it make to interpret a natal chart or a relocation one?

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Anyone have any answers?
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I'll try but, understand natal is not my forte.

Your natal chart is like your birthday suit. It will grow and evolve but you can't change it. No matter what you do, it is always there.

Your relocation chart is like your clothes, you can change these. They modify how you look, afford some protection and can even affect your attitudes to some degree or how you are perceived by others. But, they are not you.

No matter where you go, there you are...but the sunsets are never the same.
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Re: Relocation vs Natal chart?

Hi S,
there are some threads about this. I remember doing a poll a few months ago on this. Just run a search on the forum. I can relate to some of the themes in my relocation chart based on how my life has changed after the relocation but I only use my birth chart now.

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Although I consider the natal chart to be most important, I've also learned to pay attention to relocation placements. In my own chart, sun, mercury and mars in pisces in natal 10th and 11th houses ended up in the 12th when I moved 3000 miles away. And my personality did change drastically--I became almost a recluse.

Since realizing the significance of relocation charts I've been studying cases of people who died suddenly in locations other than their birth place. Recently I looked at Sonny Bono's relocation chart for Lake Tahoe California where he died in a skiing accident. His Neptune-Venus opposition, natally in the 12 & 6th(he was born in Detroit Michigan) became angular in Lake Tahoe, and also his natal Saturn moved to conjunct his relocation descendant. But more interestingly, transiting Pluto at the time of his death squared his Lake Tahoe relocation asc-des axis, exactly, within a minute.

David Carradine, who died in Bangkok, also has a striking relocation chart.

A major problem with relocation charts is calculating an accurate one since the exact time of birth is essential.
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Re: Relocation vs Natal chart?

When you move to a different country, you don't change your natal chart. That's like suggesting you change your DNA.
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Re: Relocation vs Natal chart?

Working with relocated charts has "saved" my Astrology --predictions actually "work" now,where they bombed out before.

When house cusps change, rulerships change, and transits and progressions to said rulers in relocated charts reveal where the action is.

I like it when Astrology works.
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Maybe your predictions have just got better, nothing to do with relocation charts
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Maybe your predictions have just got better, nothing to do with relocation charts
Perhaps.... then again, maybe Astrology has nothing to do with DNA
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It doesn't - I was using an analogy.
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Re: Relocation vs Natal chart?

hi saturnian,

great question! i recommend you continue to watch and study this for yourself to come up with a more solid answer on your own.. i have asked this question and aside from reading books on astrocartography and etc - jim lewis's work in particular, to find the answer, i have to conclude that the relocation chart is very central to it all.. i don't want to throw away what i know of my natal chart, but the relocation chart speaks volumes as i see it..

my family moved from where i was born in my teens.. i have been on the westcoast most of my adult life.. i've had a long time to ponder and watch this.

if you change a birth time what happens? the angles and placement of the planets change, among other things.. if you change the place, the same thing happens.. it is a relatively new and unexplored approach to doing astrology and one that deserves a lot more attention as i see it.. good luck figuring it all out.. reading the work of those who pioneered and have studied it aggressively will help.. finding friends who live in a different place then they were born with and watching things unfold for them is another way to see relocated charts in action..
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A question I have and didn't know where to ask,so feel free to move it.

Which one do I read and interpret?
My Natal chart or the Relocation one?I am currently living in a different country than the one I was born and I am kind of confused.
Just today I did my relocation chart and was pretty surprised with the planets in the 12th house which is surprisingly accurate even more so than when they were in 1st house.
What difference does it make to interpret a natal chart or a relocation one?

Hello Saturnian:

Thank you for your question...

The natal chart is THE primary source of all energies and potentialities...

However, as you move away from your place of birth, to the east or west, for every 60 miles, the angles of the chart changes one degree of arc.

Thus, the birth planets then move into different houses of the relocated chart and thus, different life themes emerge and are emphasized.

Please take the relocated chart seriously, as it reflects the current reality of your life...

Therefore, transits and progressions to the re-located chart and angles are also take seriously...

The RLC does not replace the birth chart, but it adds to the final story...

There are two schools of thought re: re-location astrology.

One study or discipline is to study the WHOLE chart, by itself.

The other study is called Astro-Carto-Graphy, invented by a man named Jim Lewis.

Lewis focused on a 'snap-shot' of natal planets found on angles of the relocated natal chart, calling them 'zones.'

He also found 'crossings' of planetary angularity to be significant.

The main problem with ACG is that much of the planet Earth is made up of water and oceans and there is only a limited land mass available to live... In many cases, one's best planetary zones are located in the middle of the Pacific or Atlantic ocean...

For example, I have great planetary Mercury and Sun 'zones' in both Alaska and in Western Africa, but why would I want to live in those places !

I would find out your relocated chart and then, watch the heavy planets as they move through your relocated chart. When they cross the angles of the RL chart, you will find significant activity...

My experience with relocated charts shows they can significantly affect relationships, career, finances, and pretty much all aspects of life...

To answer your question, which is better, the 'chicken' (natal) or the 'egg' (relocated?), LOL

It is not a question of what is 'better than,' it is a question of determining how your natal chart evolves and also, your own personal evolution...

The evolution of the soul dynamic is what we are primarily interested in...Nobody can stop that evolution...that includes critics, 'bad luck,' or 'good luck...' The relocated chart can speed up your life or slow it down, you could become successful or not so successful, but nothing changes that original birth chart premise...

The reason is that... everything springs from the natal chart...



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Hello Saturnian:

Thank you for your question...

The natal chart is THE primary source of all energies and potentialities...

However, as you move away from your place of birth, to the east or west, for every 60 miles, the angles of the chart changes one degree of arc.

Thus, the birth planets then move into different houses of the relocated chart and thus, different life themes emerge and are emphasized.

Please take the relocated chart seriously, as it reflects the current reality of your life...

Therefore, transits and progressions to the re-located chart and angles are also take seriously...

The RLC does not replace the birth chart, but it adds to the final story...

There are two schools of thought re: re-location astrology.

One study or discipline is to study the WHOLE chart, by itself.

The other study is called Astro-Carto-Graphy, invented by a man named Jim Lewis.

Lewis focused on a 'snap-shot' of natal planets found on angles of the relocated natal chart, calling them 'zones.'

He also found 'crossings' of planetary angularity to be significant.

The main problem with ACG is that much of the planet Earth is made up of water and oceans and there is only a limited land mass available to live... In many cases, one's best planetary zones are located in the middle of the Pacific or Atlantic ocean...

For example, I have great planetary Mercury and Sun 'zones' in both Alaska and in Western Africa, but why would I want to live in those places !

I would find out your relocated chart and then, watch the heavy planets as they move through your relocated chart. When they cross the angles of the RL chart, you will find significant activity...

My experience with relocated charts shows they can significantly affect relationships, career, finances, and pretty much all aspects of life...

To answer your question, which is better, the 'chicken' (natal) or the 'egg' (relocated?), LOL

It is not a question of what is 'better than,' it is a question of determining how your natal chart evolves and also, your own personal evolution...

The evolution of the soul dynamic is what we are primarily interested in...Nobody can stop that evolution...that includes critics, 'bad luck,' or 'good luck...' The relocated chart can speed up your life or slow it down, you could become successful or not so successful, but nothing changes that original birth chart premise...

The reason is that... everything springs from the natal chart...



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RJ if you were to look for the ideal place to live what would you look for in relocated chart?
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RJ if you were to look for the ideal place to live what would you look for in relocated chart?
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That is a very tough question to answer... I would need to know, first, what the person wants to improve, in his/her life ? What are the priorities and the goals of the proposed move. What do you hope to accomplish.

We also need to consider that there are no quick fixes...Experts say it normally takes up to one year to feel the effects of the new location...sometimes longer...

Relocation and Astro-Cartography analysis is NOT simple... It takes years of study and measurements are frequently complex.

Not to mention, moving is expensive and frequently, physically taxing. Beware of the 'grass is greener' syndrome...

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That is a very tough question to answer... I would need to know, first, what the person wants to improve, in his/her life ? What are the priorities and the goals of the proposed move. What do you hope to accomplish.

We also need to consider that there are no quick fixes...Experts say it normally takes up to one year to feel the effects of the new location...sometimes longer...

Relocation and Astro-Cartography analysis is NOT simple... It takes years of study and measurements are frequently complex.

Not to mention, moving is expensive and frequently, physically taxing. Beware of the 'grass is greener' syndrome...

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in my case,probably a place where i feel more at home if there is such a thing, then a good place for getting girl friends
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in my case,probably a place where i feel more at home if there is such a thing, then a good place for getting girl friends

To my experience, living in a Venus or Jupiter zone increase one's social life and feeling of belonging or 'home...'

Relocation astrology is fascinating and you need to look at where you are living now to decide overall compatibility ?



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To my experience, living in a Venus or Jupiter zone increase one's social life and feeling of belonging or 'home...'

Relocation astrology is fascinating and you need to look at where you are living now to decide overall compatibility ?





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i live in jupiter mc zone and feel none of that
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i live in jupiter mc zone and feel none of that

In relocation astrology, we have to study the WHOLE relocated chart in order to see context and the whole picture...

Living in a Jupiter " zone " (as good as it is?) can also make one lazy and unmotivated. I would have to see your relocated chart in order to comment further...


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In relocation astrology, we have to study the WHOLE relocated chart in order to see context and the whole picture...

Living in a Jupiter " zone " (as good as it is?) can also make one lazy and unmotivated. I would have to see your relocated chart in order to comment further...


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Youre right there.Family have spoilt me by giving me all freely,mother and sister.Now i struggle to get some energy
Ive been wondering what would be the best place for me in view of this fact.
In Germany early cancer is rising and Cappy planets move to 7th house Moon is in MC opposite Uranus in IC cusp.But they are in good aspect with the new ASC
In Australia i felt good cause i have Sun in IC in Sydney.In the US most planets are risng depending on the part of the country.Hers my natal chart if you care to help.
I was in Cologne germany in June but unfortunately didnt have enough money to wait until i could get a job and have a meeting with the Jobcenter counsellor.
By the way i dont feel at home with people here in spite of jupiter.Maybe this is due to Uranus-Moon square rising
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In relocation astrology, we have to study the WHOLE relocated chart in order to see context and the whole picture...

Living in a Jupiter " zone " (as good as it is?) can also make one lazy and unmotivated. I would have to see your relocated chart in order to comment further...


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Somebody said that moon in pisces need sympathy
and guess where the needy side is strong? I my Moon MC line, i even thought the gals there were the ideal to replace mother. but this was what i thought,i read ACG shows our subjective experiences, geodetic map the reality.
where i live the mars,venus,sun conjunction is setting geodetically.
i wonder how you interpret geodetic vs ACGs?
note that sudents of mayan calendar claim that the east-west divide is in paralel 12 longitude.Jr Calleman even predicted the uprisings against dictators along that line this year
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Youre right there.Family have spoilt me by giving me all freely,mother and sister.Now i struggle to get some energy
Ive been wondering what would be the best place for me in view of this fact.
In Germany early cancer is rising and Cappy planets move to 7th house Moon is in MC opposite Uranus in IC cusp.But they are in good aspect with the new ASC
In Australia i felt good cause i have Sun in IC in Sydney.In the US most planets are risng depending on the part of the country.Hers my natal chart if you care to help.
I was in Cologne germany in June but unfortunately didnt have enough money to wait until i could get a job and have a meeting with the Jobcenter counsellor.
By the way i dont feel at home with people here in spite of jupiter.Maybe this is due to Uranus-Moon square rising

Hello again...

Thanks for sharing your relocated chart...Socrates...

All things considered, a Jupiter MC line is among the best places on Earth to live....

If you are a very hard-working, diligent and ambitious person, then, the Jupiter zone will extoll its benefits...and usually produces significant career and personal achievements.

However, I also believe that many people have unrealistic expectations of a Jupiter zone...

For example, if your whole life is under considerable tension and is basically, a mess, then moving to a Jupiter zone will not necessarily make your life any better or happier ?

Your natal Moon in Pisces, Uranus in Virgo opposition that also squares the relocated Gemini ascendant does not necessarily cancel the benefits of the Jupiter MC contact.

However, Moon and Uranus square the ascendant indicates a constant drama or tension in your home and family life, that I agree, can be most unsettling or unnerving after a while ?

Therefore, this MOON-URANUS zone can be frought with tension and upheaval and you have to make an important decision as to what is in your best interests..?

For example, with Gemini rising and the Moon opposite Uranus, you might consider living in TWO homes, and going back and forth between the two...

Gemini rising often signifies an inherent duality or dupliciousness...that, if not careful, could even manifest itself into criminality... or deceitfulness...What type of deceitfulness ? Well, you Gemini rising dudes..apparently... think that you know everything, LOL so you tell ME ! LOL

With natal Moon opposite Uranus, there must be something odd or 'weird' about your home life, in general, so this might be it ? LOL

Unfortunately, the natal MOON in PISCES can often symbolize inner confusion and an inability to make up your mind, due to indecisiveness ? MEANWHILE, the Gemini ascendant is NOT helpful and adds to the overall confusion and lack of direction already mentioned.

Therefore, the natal Moon in Pisces can often be a bitter pill to swallow...especially conjunct natal Chiron. There are two themes emerging with this aspect..The first theme is being wounded or even personal suffering, through home and family. The second theme is vindication, healing and even teaching or preaching...or setting an example for your whole family ?

Regarding the effects of Chiron in the relocated chart, nobody really knows the true effects, but it might be very similar to a Saturn-Neptune zone...

You should try to get your domestic ducks in order, now, as trasiting Neptune will soon be going into Pisces and when Neptune eventually crosses the natal Moon, there could be considerable confusion about your family life (and overall career life), in general ?

Therefore, in spite of your favorable Jupiter zone, it might be a good idea to explore other places to re-locate, since one of the consequences of a Moon -Uranus square Ascendant zone is impermanence...

Also, nothing lasts forever in this zone; the theme is CONSTANT change and also, constant re-arrangement.

I suppose it depends on your personality and life goals, as to whether this place will work for you?

I would recommend a professional re-location analysis. You can PM me, if interested?

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Thanks for sharing your relocated chart...Socrates...

All things considered, a Jupiter MC line is among the best places on Earth to live....

If you are a very hard-working, diligent and ambitious person, then, the Jupiter zone will extoll its benefits...and usually produces significant career and personal achievements.

However, I also believe that many people have unrealistic expectations of a Jupiter zone...

For example, if your whole life is under considerable tension and is basically, a mess, then moving to a Jupiter zone will not necessarily make your life any better or happier ?

Your natal Moon in Pisces, Uranus in Virgo opposition that also squares the relocated Gemini ascendant does not necessarily cancel the benefits of the Jupiter MC contact.

However, Moon and Uranus square the ascendant indicates a constant drama or tension in your home and family life, that I agree, can be most unsettling or unnerving after a while ?

Therefore, this MOON-URANUS zone can be frought with tension and upheaval and you have to make an important decision as to what is in your best interests..?

For example, with Gemini rising and the Moon opposite Uranus, you might consider living in TWO homes, and going back and forth between the two...

Gemini rising often signifies an inherent duality or dupliciousness...that, if not careful, could even manifest itself into criminality... or deceitfulness...What type of deceitfulness ? Well, you Gemini rising dudes..apparently... think that you know everything, LOL so you tell ME ! LOL

With natal Moon opposite Uranus, there must be something odd or 'weird' about your home life, in general, so this might be it ? LOL

Unfortunately, the natal MOON in PISCES can often symbolize inner confusion and an inability to make up your mind, due to indecisiveness ? MEANWHILE, the Gemini ascendant is NOT helpful and adds to the overall confusion and lack of direction already mentioned.

Therefore, the natal Moon in Pisces can often be a bitter pill to swallow...

You should try to get your domestic ducks in order, now, as trasiting Neptune will soon be going into Pisces and when Neptune eventually crosses the natal Moon, there could be considerable confusion about your family life (and overall career life), in general ?

Therefore, in spite of your favorable Jupiter zone, it might be a good idea to explore other places to re-locate, since one of the consequences of a Moon -Uranus square Ascendant zone is impermanence...

Also, nothing lasts forever in this zone; the theme is CONSTANT change and also, constant re-arrangement.

I suppose it depends on your personality and life goals, as to whether this place will work for you?

I would recommend a professional re-location analysis. You can PM me, if interested?

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You misunderstood me. Thats my natal chart,the one with gemini rising and Jupiter in MC. The relocated is for cologne in Germany which has the new ASC at 1 cancer and Moon-Uranus are in the MC-IC angles
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You misunderstood me. Thats my natal chart,the one with gemini rising and Jupiter in MC. The relocated is for cologne in Germany which has the new ASC at 1 cancer and Moon-Uranus are in the MC-IC angles


Well, as previously mentioned, dudes with natal Moon in Pisces are prone to mental confusion and this is a good example...

I'm wondering why you didn't post the relocated chart for Germany, in the first place ...

This Jupiter (on the MC) is NOT relocated at all, it's your natal chart position of Jupiter...!

Obviously, the natal chart is NOT read like a re-located chart, Socrates !

Please re-post your relocated chart !

In any event, I would be VERY wary of re-locating to Germany, where Uranus is conjunct the IC !

That almost always suggests a temporary residence...So does the Moon angular, by the way...

The trine and sextile of Moon and Uranus to the RLC Cancer ascendant would only mitigate the agony, somewhat, I'd say...

I will say this...Cologne is a good place to improve your sex or social life... However, you won't be meeting your 'girl next door' type of woman in Germany ! I would expect more wilder type of gals. the type of girl you won't be bringing home to MAMA ! LOL



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Well, as previously mentioned, dudes with natal Moon in Pisces are prone to mental confusion and this is a good example...

I'm wondering why you didn't post the relocated chart for Germany, in the first place ...

This Jupiter (on the MC) is NOT relocated at all, it's your natal chart position of Jupiter...!

Obviously, the natal chart is NOT read like a re-located chart, Socrates !

Please re-post your relocated chart !

In any event, I would be VERY wary of re-locating to Germany, where Uranus is conjunct the IC !

That almost always suggests a temporary residence...So does the Moon angular, by the way...

The trine and sextile of Moon and Uranus to the RLC Cancer ascendant would only mitigate the agony, somewhat, I'd say...

I will say this...Cologne is a good place to improve your sex or social life... However, you won't be meeting your 'girl next door' type of woman in Germany ! I would expect more wilder type of gals. the type of girl you won't be bringing home to MAMA ! LOL



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i suppose youre talking about venus mars in 7 when you talk about improving sex life, or is it the moon opp uranus?
yep they are wild and change every 2 seconds,especially in hamburg,where the moon mc conjunction is exact and venus is closer to desc cusp at 9 capricornr
theres also a crossing betwen the capricorn planets and moon in the northern tip of germany and denmark
when i was in cologne i felt good not confused at all, but i didnt have enough money to support myself until i got a job so i came back in late july
thats why i wonder if whole sign house works better cause its in my country that i feel all those uranus-moon issues
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