Vladimir Putin

greybeard

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What with the tensions centered on the Ukraine, seems as though a peek at the chart (Rodden C Rating) of the star of the show, in whose hands the direction of the action seems to rest, is in order.

Checking present transits, we find the Grand Cardinal Cross falling exactly on his Sun and Libra stellium... This is a dangerous configuration, ready to exercise muscle and impose his will.

Neptune is receiving special emphasis at present. The planet has come to its own antiscion while simultaneously being energized by the transiting Mars. Saturn is presently square his natal Pluto at the MC.

The chart is rated "C", but fits what is known of him very well as is. This chart is probably close to his reality.

Funny that just as I am posting this, music by the Red Army Choir is playing on my media player. Nice music, powerful male voices.

The West had better mind its Ps & Qs; this is not a good time to oppose Mr. Putin with force.

Sorry, didn't realize the chart doesn't include birth data: 7 October 1952, 0930, St. Petersburg, Russia.
 

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!4C

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Yeah, the 1st and 12th house theme suggest someone that appears to be a sly fox in dealing with others. The pluto-jupiter-lunar node structure aligned with MC suggest a public reputation for clinging to power and exploiting others for personal gain.

The one thing that stands out for me is the saturn-uranus square. I have this aspect with saturn conjunct AC. IT consistently functions as a jinx when activated by transit. Surprise events undermine the good qualities of saturn. In my case, however, the alignment with the ascendant might be a critical factor in bring this effect into physical reality. I'm not sure how it works for him, but I bet it brings some level of frustration to is clandestine activities.
 

greybeard

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A lot of folks have been asking questions about the 12th House lately.
Here's a good chart for looking at that.

Naturally, frustration in clandestine activities is not willingly revealed. But judging by his public trajectory over the past 40 years, there haven't been too many or too serious frustrations. Your observation that the effects of the Saturn-Uranus square depend on the house position (conj. Asc) is astute.

We notice that Mars is already Rx (by transit -- SR 2 Mar, 28 Libra), will pass over all 4 planets in the stellium and then turn direct at 10 Libra on 20 May, to again pass over the stellium, this time the second direct passage or Phase III of the retrograde span. Mars leaves Libra and comes to his Ascendant (if birth time is correct) on 1 August. Mars first passed over 10 Libra in direct motion on 26 Dec 2013...the beginning of this retrograde period. [I'm off by one day because I used the conjunction with tr. Moon while Mars was still in 9 Libra.]

By watching unfolding events in critical situations like the Ukraine we can learn about transits, orbs, retrogradation periods...We could develop a "timeline" for events leading up to the overthrow of the elected government in Ukraine (creating Putin's opportunity to take the Crimea) and compare events to planetary motions. It is said that "As the king goes, so goes the nation." In other words the astrology of Putin's personal chart will show what Russia does.

Someone was asking in another recent thread about the "shadow period" (I think that is an inappropriate term) around stations -- both direct and retrograde -- and here is a good opportunity to study that. It is far more effective to learn by study of actual events than to ask questions of others [who may not know what they're talking about.]

If the "theory" we are working with says that retrogradation has 3 Phases then we must look to see if this works out in actual practice, and the Ukranian situation provides us with a peerless opportunity to do so.

The whole situation, astrologically, must involve the entire sky -- all the planets in their complexity manifest through actual events in their complexity: there should be synchronicity between celestial and terrestrial events -- but we also have the opportunity here to observe a Mars retrograde cycle played out on the world stage, and Putin plays the leading role.

So, to bring us up to speed on this Mars retrograde cycle we have:

Phase 1 -- Begins when Mars passes over 10 Libra in direct motion for the first time. He has now entered the retrograde span in both time and space. This occurred on 26 December 2013. Phase 1 should be "preparatory" -- it "leads up to" the events that will be developing later. It is "prologue"; the stage is being set. This first Phase lasts until the retrograde station of Mars at 28 Libra on 2 March.

Phase 2 -- We in the earlier stages of this Phase now (1 April). Usually the most notable or crucial events occur during the actual retrograde period (Phase 2). This Phase lasts until Mars reaches his direct station on 20 May at 10 Libra. This is the Murphy's Law stage.

Phase 3 -- Begins on 20 May when Mars turns direct. The die has been cast during the first two phases, and now we see the outcome. The course of things has already been determined through choices made and there is no turning back. "Turning back" was possible during the retrograde phase, but no longer. In this case, Mars passes over 28 Libra for the second time on 21 July, ending this retrograde cycle of Mars. Because of the proximity of the Ascendant, the red planet passes over this point on 1 August, beginning a new personal cycle for Putin.

We should also keep in view the Grand Cross that reaches its strongest point at the same time that Mars touches 14 Libra, where Putin's Sun is. This cross affects his Sun within a degree or two --- all four arms of the cross --- as Mars passes over this point in retrograde motion around the 24th of this month. This Cardinal Cross affects the whole world generally, and stands exactly on Putin's personal Sun. Watch what happens.
 
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Kijuki

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Putin has that interesting stellium of Sun, Saturn, Neptune.Mercury and including his 12th house cusp and I suppose it's fair to say he may have the odd surviving secret enemy considering the way he recycles his two jobs, but these planets including the 12th house are also all parallel to each other. The energy that this bunch of parallels produces is probably what removes his problems.
His progressed declinations chart has Jupiter progressed // his natal MC and making acquisition seems to be just a matter of taking what he wants.
His Pluto is conjunct his MC anyhow so he has a natural interest in controlling social structures. Giving mobs what they want is easy if they are your mobs, or so I'm told.
 
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greybeard

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Interesting observations Kijuki.

I use planetary patterns, and Jupiter is a preeminent factor in his chart from Day One based on the fact that, looking at the chart pattern as a whole, Jupiter is the planet of first rising by diurnal motion. So we can say that Putin's character is strongly marked by "cautious [Taurus] optimism [Jupiter]" or "methodical [Taurus] expansion [Jupiter]". We might say that Jupiter in Taurus represents a person who is "pragmatically opportunistic". And with Jupiter in the 7th -- the house of Opportunity -- he will exploit every opportunity that presents itself. Putin is paternalistic.

With Jupiter the Leading Planet in the chart pattern, and angular, and then closely square Pluto standing above all else at the MC, we see a man born to the exercise of power.
 
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dr. farr

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I notice that Lilith (crescent on cross Lilith) is exactly conjunct the MC, the Dragon's Tail is in 1 degree 13 minutes of conjunction with the MC, and Pluto is in partile conjunction with Lilith, the MC and 2 degrees conjunct the SN-this nefarious trio is the most elevated factor in this natal chart. Jupiter is also square the Nodes (see the thread "Planets at the Bendings" for indications of this fateful connection) The Part of Fortune is in the 8th whole sign house, and is in Parallel of declination with both Uranus and Pluto. Moon and Mars are both out of bounds.
....a person with such natal elements, controlling a powerful nation (like Russia), is pretty dangerous: certainly violent military action to achieve goals, is an option such a person would not shy away from.
 

greybeard

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Putin means business. He's not someone to mess with.

He showed his resolve and ruthlessness in Chechnya and Ossetya.
He has several times been state champion in judo and samba. He's a winner.
He just upped the price of natural gas to Ukraine by about 40%. They already owe Russia over 1-1/2 Billion in back gas payments. Putin understands pressure points.
He demonstrated his ability to see the way through in his diplomatic resolution of the Syrian Affair not so long ago.
He acted judiciously in the Snowden affair, and ended up gaining a token of power by giving Snowden asylum in the face of American pressures.
 
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Kuntuzangmo

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I would like to know where his chiron is.
I find the nodal situation also interesting. As dr. farr mentions, the SN is packed with all these exceptional enticements. However, the NN is the direction to move towards in this life for ultimate growth and fulfillment, no? So if he forces the SN issues, which does seem to be his tendency, he may have limited success, but it will be his ultimate undoing.
 
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greybeard

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You may find, as you continue your study of astrology, that the horoscope describes what is and will be and not what the native and the astrologer believe could be or might be.

The action in this chart is at the MC and SN, not the NN. Planets bring energy to the location they occupy and are disposed by the planet ruling the sign they occupy. If the NN is energized by this configuration it is secondarily, by reaction, not directly. Mr. Putin cannot avoid acting through Pluto at the MC (the fact of the matter is that he is the supreme ruler of Russia.)

Assuming that your soul freely chooses a life from among many available lives prior to your birth, the fact remains that the life to be lived is now chosen. And the soul must now live that life as it is determined by the stars. True choice and free will were left backstage the moment you made your first appearance; the script was written beforehand, the role predetermined. Your choice, if any, was made prior to birth. Free will, if it exists at all, is proportional to your personal level of developed consciousness, and development takes time -- barring divine intervention.

Man is driven towards his destiny by forces beyond his consciousness. We might consider the question Arjuna poses Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita: "What power is it, Krishna, that drives man to act sinfully, even unwillingly, as if powerlessly?"

The question recognizes the obvious fact that we DO act in that way. We don't have as much "free will" as we like to imagine, as our deluded ego pretends we do.

This forum is full of questions, often asked in desperation, from people who cannot control themselves and their lives. They come here looking for answers to often painful problems beyond their power to resolve. If we are possessed of such a supreme free will, how come these folks don't just solve their problems and be happy? Because they are not conscious of the true nature of the problem, and are therefore devoid of free will -- like a leaf floating on the tide, they do not and cannot control their destiny.

It must also be said that the essence of religious/spiritual teachings (handed down to us from antiquity through many cultures) is choice. We are told that we can, and must, choose our path -- we must choose between the path of Light and the path of Darkness. Choice is demanded of us at every step along our life's path. But whether that choice, in the final analysis, is free or predetermined is beyond our knowing; what we are left with is personal opinion.
 
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Kijuki

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Good points Greybeard, but I see his Venus is in Scorpio opposite Jupiter in Taurus and, of course Venus rules Taurus. So he won't like refusals. His Venus is contraparallel his Jupiter which gives him a charisma that others can see or feel. So with his
progressed Jupiter parallel his natal MC he can have anything he wants.I think he appears cautious because Pluto has given his Chiron a good looking at for months now. So he waits.
 

greybeard

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Disregarding transits, it is in Putin's nature to wait. Putin has a good sense of timing, of waiting for the crest of the wave to carry him forward (one hint of this lies in the exalted Saturn, combust and assimilated by the Sun.) He has demonstrated this trait throughout his career; he waits patiently in the wings, pays close attention to the task at hand and excels in its execution, prepares himself to grasp and exploit future opportunity, and waits.
 

Kijuki

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I don't think he can do anything but wait. I just noticed that the moon does a minor standstill on Sept 3rd. So any planets with a higher declination than the Moons current 19’ N/S won't work. We are, in a way, what our parallels let us do. Putin has Uranus // Pluto at 23’ N (revolution, reformer)and Moon // Mars at 26’ N (hastiness or premature action). He won't have their use for 4 or 5 years. He may not have a clue just now. So he waits.
 

!4C

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While looking over the next set of eclipses, I noticed the october 23 partial solar eclipse is located in the first degree of scoprio. It is followed by the superior conjunction of sun-venus only 33 hours later in the second degree of scorpio. Libra mercury turns direct around this time frame (retro from 2°18' scorpio). After looking over the details of sun, moon, venus, and mars, there appears to be a strong theme of moon-mars energy driving some kind of change. The moon indicates the broader public will become more invested in what is going on. The connection with putin is more suggestive from the leo jupiter/capricorn pluto midpoint transiting through the first degrees of scorpio soon. In fact, the october solar eclipse is conjunct this midpoint by 4 minutes. To me, this suggests more putin drama to come over the next year... if his ascendant is in first degrees of scoprio.
 

Shanti

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Looking at secondary progressions.

1. Putin have progressed Mars in aspect to progressed Jupiter (0.08').

2. Putin have Progressed Jupiter applying to sesquisquare radix Mars.

Thus a resonance of confidence and fortunate action. Here involving
Jupiter (success, excess, expansion) and Mars (armed forces, aggressive action). Russia is expanding and improving their army and territory.
Since putin is head over Russia his chart is reflecting Russia's condition.
 

unique_astrology

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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-12/putin-disappears-like-a-dictator?cmpid=yhoo

Putin Disappears Like a Dictator – Mar 12, 2015 1:23 PM EDT

“This month, however, he has again disappeared. The last time he was seen was a week ago, on March 5, when he met with Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi in Moscow. Since then, he has canceled talks with the presidents of Belarus and Kazakhstan, the signing of a treaty with South Ossetia and an appearance at a meeting of top brass at the FSB, Russia’s domestic intelligence service.”

http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-update-march-11-2015/

In right ascension, transit Pluto has been square his natal Sun, natal Sun-Saturn midpoint and is within 1 degree and in an applying square to his natal Saturn. Major stress. Pressures from without (sanctions) and within (Powerful men not liking where he has led the country financially). Stroke possibility.

Vladimir Putin (Speculative, Relocated), Oct 7 1952, 7:02 pm, BAT -3:00, Moscow Russia, 55°N45', 037°E35'

Transit Pluto to natal Sun, Saturn, and natal and progressed Uranus for next 2 years - with stations.

Pluto Station R Apr 17 2015 15°Cp33' R

Pluto square natal Sun, Jul 4 2015, 14°Cp19' R

Pluto station D, Sep 25 2015, 12°Cp58' D

Pluto square, natal Sun, Dec 10 2015 14°Cp19' D

Pluto station R, Apr 18 2016, 17°Cp29' R

Pluto station D, Sep 26 2016, 14°Cp56' D

Pluto square natal Saturn, Jan 17 2017, 17°Cp30' D

Pluto Opposite progressed Uranus, Jan 20 2017, 17°Cp36' D

Pluto Opposite Uranus, Feb 14 2017, 18°Cp24' D
 

!4C

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Also interesting that next week's solar eclipse is conjunct MC for Moscow. The ascendant ruler is sun. The eclipse is in the last degree of pisces, so maybe there a transition from passivity to aggression. The eclipse is also at the midpoints of deceptive mercury-neptune in pisces and action oriented mars-uranus in aries. Mercury will passover the eclipse point at the end of the month.

The lunar eclipse at the beginning of next month will hit putin's sun. Sun-Uranus in opposition and midpoint to taurus venus and pisces neptune. The MC for moscow is conjunct venus and midpoint to jupiter and neptune. The eclipse axis is in the financial houses at moscow. Maybe action to head off a financial crisis.
 

unique_astrology

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Total lunar eclipse on his solar return was on his precession corrected 2014 return Sun and eclipse Mars on his secondary progressed Sun.

Mars and Pluto transits to Putin planets in March of 2015 in longitude.

Vladimir Putin - Male Relocated
Oct 7 1952, 7:02 pm, BAT -3:00
Moscow Russia 55°N45' 037°E35'

and

Vladimir Putin - Sec.Prog. Q2 Mean Quotidian
Mar 6 2015, 0:00 am, BAT -3:00
Moscow Russia 55°N45' 037°E35'

Natal Sun 14° Libra 19'

Precession corrected return Sun 15° Libra 11'

Transit Pluto March 6, 0:00, Moscow, Russia 15° Capricorn 06'; March 31, 15° Capricorn 28'.

Natal Saturn 17° Libra 30'
Progressed Uranus 17° Cancer 40' R

Natal Uranus 18° Cancer 24'

Natal Neptune 21° Libra 10'

Progressed Neptune 23° Libra 16'

Progressed Saturn 24° Libra 30'

Mar 6 2015, 10° Aries 37'
Mar 7 2015, 11° Aries 22'
Mar 8 2015, 12° Aries 08'
Mar 9 2015, 12° Aries 53'

Mar 10 2015, 13° Aries 39'
Mar 11 2015, 14° Aries 24'
Mar 12 2015, 15° Aries 10'
Mar 13 2015, 15° Aries 55'
Mar 14 2015, 16° Aries 40'
Mar 15 2015, 17° Aries 26'
Mar 16 2015, 18° Aries 11'
Mar 17 2015, 18° Aries 56'
Mar 18 2015, 19° Aries 41'
Mar 19 2015, 20° Aries 26'
Mar 20 2015, 21° Aries 11'
Mar 21 2015, 21° Aries 56'
Mar 22 2015, 22° Aries 41'
Mar 23 2015, 23° Aries 26'
Mar 24 2015, 24° Aries 11'
Mar 25 2015, 24° Aries 56'
Mar 26 2015, 25° Aries 41'
 

Shanti

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The lunar eclipse at the beginning of next month will hit putin's sun.
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Yes - Putins sun have been closely eclipsed since the total lunar eclipse in october which also fell 1 degree from his Sun. His leadership style is under Close scrutiny by the World opinion. And the transit Uranus to the eclipsed senstised sun is making
things very unstable for him in terms of that. And maybe physical vitality too, which is under sun domain.
 

SL123

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Vladimir Putin is one of the best candidates to make earthshaking headlines during this Eclipse Season and throughout the year.

Vladimir Putin became President of Russia on May 7, 2012 and has been controlling Russia since 1999, for the last 16 years. Becoming President took place around the first Uranus Pluto square on June 24, 2012 and he is often in the news during the Pluto Uranus Squares (Grand crosses) and Eclipses.

The shooting and downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014 is still unexplained while outrage continues from the international public.

Douglas Parker has been a professional astrologer in Australia for over 30 years.

He wrote this interesting prediction for Putin that includes a nervous breakdown, health issues, and a possibility of being overthrown and out of power by August 2015.

http://www.astrology-reading.com.au/Horoscope_of_Vladimir_Putin.html

This astrology article on Vladimir Putin's horoscope includes a comprehensive verification of his birth time (called rectification), which I believe to be 9:28 am.

Birth Details

Vladimir Putin was born in Leningrad (now St Petersburg), Russia on 7 October 1952. In Lois Rodden’s Astrodatabank, his birth time is quoted as 9:30 am. The source was a Stef de Groot, who claims he got a copy of a medical report made just after Putin's birth.

2014- 2015

Uranus is 180 degrees to Putin's Sun between May 2014 and February 2015. The Sun rules his 10th house of career. Upsets with others are likely, and there is the possibility of external events (other people or world events) enforcing a career change on him. Pluto will be 90 degrees to Putin's Sun throughout 2015. Pluto (the most powerful planet in the Zodiac) may enforce (the 90 degree aspect) a change in Putin's career (ruled by the Sun) in 2015. Saturn is 180 degrees from Putin's Moon between January and October 2015. He will be forced to come to terms with the emotionally inevitable and unavoidable, in order to free himself from emotional isolation. Depression will overwhelm him. He could have problems with his blood (eg high blood pressure, anemia). Saturn is 45 degrees to his Sun between December 2014 and July-August (very strong) 2015. Greater problems than usual, health problems, family problems and a lack of initiative are indicated. Then Neptune comes 135 degrees to Putin's Neptune between March 2015 and January 2016. Self-deception, making wrong decisions, acting prematurely and feeling like he is having a nervous breakdown will enter Putin's life. Extreme pressure on Putin is building from mid December 2014 and will climax by July-August 2015. There is every likelihood he will be overthrown as President of Russia by that time.
 
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