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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part IV - Nativities

Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part IV - Nativities

1. On the Length of Life
In all nativities, the Lightbringer is Predominator if it is operative.
If it is not, the other Light is Predominator if it is operative.
If both Lights are inoperative, the Hour-Marker is Predominator.

As soon as you determine the Releaser, look at the degrees and rays of the killing stars and from the rising times find the evident length of life. The killing degrees and rays are the presence, tetragon and diameter of Saturn, Mars, Sun and Moon. If Jupiter and Venus intervene with their presence and rays in proximity to the killing degrees, they repudiate the previous testimony. And Mercury neither destroys nor intervenes with its presence and rays.

For short-lived nativities, the nearest bound, degree or ray of a bad star will indicate the length of life. For long-lived nativities, one must carefully examine the bounds of bad and inoperative stars following the 90th degree, and the greater recurrence years of the Master of the Nativity. Release the Predominator through the bounds, giving the year for every ascensional degree. Examine the bound rulers, whether benefic or malefic, and whether favorably placed or unfavorably placed.

Investigate the presence and rays of the stars. The good and operative stars are indicative of good health and elevation, while the bad and inoperative stars are indicative of infirmities, accusations and eventually the end of life, which is revealed by the vitality and eminence of the nativity. The vital sector derived from the rising times forecasts the limit of the entire length of life. Then if it allots the living times, it also seems to control the auspicious and inauspicious times.

One must take into account the seven keys and the general signs of the biological systems. The distance from which the good stars intervene depends on the combined biological indications. And if the health indications are poor, the good gods will not intervene at all, especially with the chronocratorship of inoperative and bad stars. Accusation indicates the illness and primary cause of death, but Fortune also takes that role when unfavorably placed.

And if the stars or images which indicate infirmity are present, tetragon and diameter with Saturn and Mars, the disease which befalls the nativity will be untreatable. But if Jupiter and Venus are present and configured, the native can be cured by medicine and by the help of the gods. In every case it is necessary to examine the appearance and the conception, for the difference of a degree can change an unviable nativity to a long-lived one.

One must understand that the length may always be cut prematurely if the native takes part in the threatening universals. Thus one must investigate the universal indication of the given area of the nativity. One needs to work with the signs of the gods and with empirical precision, going from a chronocrator to a chronocrator, delineating all important events in succession.

Investigate the Master of the Nativity, the bound houseruler of the Predominator. The beginning, the main, the end, the measurement standard of the whole nativity is the Master. It makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of livelihood he will have, what appearance or health one will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor advancement, will come to anyone.

When the Lightbringer is ascending, exalted and attended by the benefics, it will allot the greater recurrence years. When the Master of the Nativity is ascending and favorably placed, it will allot the greater recurrence years, but when it is unfavorably placed, it will allot the recurrence years.

2. On Appearance
When the Hour-Marker, the Sun and the Moon become masculine and ruled by masculine stars, men are born, and when they become feminine and ruled by feminine stars, women are born. If the dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker, the Sun and the Moon are masculine, men are born.

If the Hour-Marker and the Lights are with quadrupedal images, and the malefics are ascending to the degree, the nativity will have congenital disorders, but if Jupiter and Venus are configured to the Hour-Marker, they make nativities viable of livelihood. In such cases, the Lot of Fortune will indicate the infirmity. Cancer and Scorpio cause polymelia. Cancer, Pisces and Taurus cause aplasia. Saturn, Venus and Mercury cause sexual development disorders. But if the Hour-Marker and the Lights are with human images and rising alongside, they make the nativity belong to one of the human race, healthy and intelligent.

Make judgement of appearance with the Hour-Marker, the Moon and the Master of the Nativity. Changeable images indicate nativities fitted for dealing with the people, fond of turbulence and political activity, glory-seeking, attentive to the gods, noble, mobile, inquisitive, inventive, good at conjecture, and fitted for divination. Solid images signify just nativities, unaffected by flattery, persistent, firm, intelligent, patient, industrious, stern, self-controlled, tenacious of grudges, extortionate, contentious, ambitious, factious, grasping, hard, and inflexible. Double-bodied images indicate complex nativities, changeable, very hard to apprehend, light, unstable, fickle, amorous, versatile, fond of music, lazy, easily acquisitive, and prone to change their minds.

In every case it is necessary to investigate the Master of the Nativity, and the bound ruler of the preceding New or Full Moon, and to carefully consider the admixture.

And if one is not present at the nativity, but determines the rising image and the placement of the stars by appearance, he should immediately inquire the degree of the Hour-Marker. Investigate the conception. Let the degree of the Moon at the nativity be the Hour-Marker at the conception, and let the Hour-Marker at the nativity be the degree of the Moon at the conception.

When the Moon is rising at the Hour-Marker, the birth is intermediate of 273 days and 8 hours. If the Moon is above the horizon, the time will be less. If the Moon is below the horizon, the time will be more. Give one day for every 13.17 degrees of distance. When the Moon is unfavorably placed at the nativity, it will be necessary to subtract 27 days and 8 hours, or more proportionate to the bad influence. Thus make a scientific beginning, and fashion a forecast of the end.

3. On Parents
Sun and Father inoperative and beheld by malefics, while Fortune is masculine, indicate that the father will predecease the mother. Moon and Mother inoperative and beheld by malefics, while Fortune is feminine, signify that the mother will predecease the father. When the Sun and Jupiter are ascending, they cause good livelihood for the father, and the Moon and Venus cause the same for the mother. Conversely, if they are inoperative, they make them weak and low, or foreigners, or estranged from their children. Saturn and Mars anti-culminating cause misfortune for parents, or estrangement, while Jupiter and Venus indicate good fortune.

If the Lot of the Father is allotted to Leo, Sagittarius or Aries with the configurations of benefics, it makes him a leader of the populace. If one would busy himself with further inquiries about the details concerning individuals, let him take the Lot as the Hour-Marker, and the image upon the tenth as action, and the diametrical image as affairs, and the anti-culminating image as death, and let him distinguish the Lots and the rest of the dodekatopos in the same fashion.

4. On Siblings
Jupiter, Venus and Mercury operative and favorably placed give siblings and children, especially with fertile images. From the Lot of Siblings, determine the number, gender, health and rank of siblings. Infertile images do not indicate siblings, semi-infertile indicate one, semi-fertile indicate two, fertile images indicate three siblings. Houserulers with fertile images give siblings.

Benefics give siblings, malefics signify childlessness, or they cause grief from siblings. Examine the predominating gender of the images and houserulers, and make your judgement based on the number. Preponderance of double-bodied images cause multiple births. Saturn destroys the elder siblings, Mars destroys the middleborn, Mercury destroys the youngest with malefics. Saturn and Mars rising, culminating and setting without benefic testimony cause the destruction of siblings.

5. On Action
Investigate the nature of attending stars. Fortune and the domicile ruler favorably placed make successful nativities, Saturn through property, agriculture and shipping ventures, Jupiter through fiduciary relationships, guardianship and priesthoods, Mars through governorship and military operations, Venus through friends, gifts and women, and Mercury through eloquence and trade.

Stars that predominate action are ascending, houseruler of the X, Master of the Nativity, and with the Lot of Fortune. When Mars, Venus and Mercury happen to be placed contrariwise, examine the one that is morning rising. It will be necessary to observe the order of the predomination.

Mars predominating makes craftsmen, masons, quarrymen, carpenters, shipbuilders, blacksmiths, miners, woodcutters, farmers, jewellers and soldiers
With Saturn - sailors, cooks, embalmers
With Jupiter - soldiers, commanders, governors, friends with the great

Mars and Venus predominating make dyers, jewellers, farmers, pharmacists and physicians
With Saturn - attendants of sacred animals and mysteries, embalmers, attendants of bloody rites
With Jupiter - frequenters of temples, interpreters of omens, supervisors of women and affairs

Mars and Mercury predominating make physicians, surgeons, sculptors, commanders, tacticians, wrestlers, criminals, adulterers, wrongdoers and forgers
With Saturn - murderers, criminals, terrorists
With Jupiter - energetic, clever and successful individuals

Venus predominating makes social individuals whose activities lie amongst crafts, trade, music, arts, flowers, wine, colours, embroidery, ornaments, food and accommodation
With Saturn - dealers in goods for pleasure and adornment, pharmacists, sorcerers
With Jupiter - eminent individuals, athletes, advancement from women and the great

Venus and Mercury predominating make graceful individuals, artists, musicians, dancers, poets and writers
With Saturn - makers of musical instruments, weavers, dealers in feminine finery
With Jupiter - lawyers, supervisors, public officers, teachers of children, leaders of the populace

Mercury predominating makes businessmen, stewards, accountants, secretaries, mathematicians, scholars, teachers, merchants, bankers, gamblers, astrologers, mystics and those who perform their functions by means of documents, interpretation, giving and taking
With Saturn - managers of the property of others, interpreters of dreams, frequenters of temples for the purpose of prophecy and inspiration
With Jupiter - law-makers, philosophers, orators, counsellors, friends with the great

Examine the changeable, terrestrial, watery, human, eloquent, judicial, fertile, royal, servile and the like, and make judgement of action. When the rulers of the action are favorably placed, they make great, glorious, profitable, unerring and gracious occupations, but if the malefics overcome them, they make mean, inglorious, profitless and fallible occupations. When Saturn and Mars are diametrical from the rulers of action, they bring utter ruin of action during the chronocratorship.

6. On Affairs
The topic of affairs is to be examined from the Lot of Affairs, the VII and Venus. When they and the domicile rulers happen to be with changeable, double-bodied and passionate images, and also ascending from Mars, they cause many affairs. Benefics cause good marriages. Saturn and Mars when unfavorably placed indicate divorces, and they make widowers with incomplete images.

7. On Children
The number, gender, health and rank of children is judged similarly to the topic of siblings, but one should take Children and the X as rulers of the matter. If the Lot and the domicile ruler are in harmony with the Hour-Marker and the Lot of Fortune, the children will be dear to their parents, they will be attractive, and inherit the patrimony, but if they are turned away or diametrical, they will be quarrelsome, trouble-makers, injurious and will not inherit the patrimony. When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are harmoniously configured with each other, they cause brotherly affection and mutual respect amongst the children, but if they are turned away or diametrical, the children will be quarrelsome and scheming.
8. On Friendship
Investigate friendship from Daimon and the XI, servants from Fortune and the VI, enemies from Accusation and the XII. Daimon and the XI with Cancer and Pisces cause many associations and social nativities. Eloquent images make associations with intelligent persons. Royal images make friendships with the great. Jupiter favorably placed makes friendships with kings, Venus with the distinguished women, Mercury with intelligent men, and with rascals when present with Scorpio.

Concerning partnership and affairs, examine the rising images, the Sun and the Moon of the two nativities. If they share an affinity by being of the same wind, they make good relationship, as do the images with hexagon. Like-engirding and like-ascending images are harmonious, but weak if they happen to be turned away. If the Hour-Marker, Sun and Moon are turned away, tetragon and diametrical from each other, they cause discord, separation and enmity.

Examine the placements of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Mercury, for they also contribute or hinder the synastry. Saturn and Mars hinder through disagreement and hatred, Jupiter and Venus contribute through agreement and unity, and Mercury either helps or hinders communication.

9. On Travel
Sun and Moon pre-ascending cause travel. Fortune pre-ascending causes travel. Mars with the IX and the IV causes travel. Moon with the VII causes travel. Mars diametrical from the Sun and the Moon cause travel. Cancer and Pisces cause travel. Nativities which have many placements with the corresponding countries will naturally be inclined to live there and have successful trade with those nations, if the houseruler of the VII is benefic with the same direction from the nativity.

If Jupiter and Venus are the rulers of the places which govern travel, and of the Sun and Moon, they make the journeys not only safe, but also pleasant, for the subjects will be sent on their way either by the leaders of the country or by the resources of their friends, and favorable conditions of the weather and abundance of supplies will also aid them. If Mercury is present, profits, gains, gifts and honours result from this good fortune.

If Saturn and Mars control the Lights and IX, however, and particularly if they are diametrical to each other, they will make the results useless and involve the subjects in great dangers, through unfortunate voyages and shipwrecks with watery images, through hard going and desert places with solid images, through falling from heights and assaults from winds with changeable images, through piracy, plots and robbery with human images, through attacks of beasts and earthquakes with terrestrial images, and if Mercury is also present with Saturn and Mars, through the weather, dangerous accusations, bites of reptiles and other poisonous creatures.

When the IX and the houseruler are favorably placed, the person will benefit from foreign places and foreigners. And if the houseruler of the IV is better placed, the person will not travel much, proportionate to the indications of travel. The direction of travel is indicated by the Sun and the Moon, and by the placements of the chronocrators during indicated travel.

I - East
II - Northeast
III - North-Northeast
IV - North
V - North-Northwest
VI - Northwest
VII - West
VIII - Southwest
IX - South-Southwest
X - South
XI - South-Southeast
XII - Southeast

10. On the Division of Times
Investigate the method of the dodekatemoria, allotting 129 months to the Predominator, and the stars following using the sidereal year. If the Hour-Marker is Releaser, the star that follows will first allot the years. Every star makes a distribution to itself, and the stars following with the recurrence years as months. The times are divided in the same manner as with the method itself. Examine the chronocrators, the sequence of the distribution, and make judgement of the nativity.

Saturn favorably placed by day causes profit from vigorous efforts and hard work, ancient trades, mysteries, legacy, relatives, elders, property and land, and the times become good for everything. When unfavorably placed by night, it makes difficulties in everything, inactivity, bodily illness and dangers, losses, poverty, penalties, harm, judgements and deaths of relatives, dismantling of ancient things, quarrels with elders, deceptions and extortions of friends, troubles from lands and foundations, and from the places that Saturn governs at the nativity.

Saturn onto Jupiter favorably placed by day are productive of prosperity, notable friendships and acquisitions. When unfavorably placed by night, they fine and damage what is being completed, harm relatives, they bring toil and the reduction of wealth.

Saturn onto Mars favorably placed make troubles and setbacks. When unfavorably placed, they make those who are discouraged and not eager, they gather up enemies and trouble, and sickness with Mercury.

Saturn onto Sun favorably placed by day cause high rank and wealth. When unfavorably placed by night, they portend dangers from authorities and travel, unemployment, penalties, dimming of vision and harm to the father.

Saturn onto Venus favorably placed indicate success in business and marriage for the unmarried. When unfavorably placed, they cause disturbances of friendship and love and changes of affairs.

Saturn onto Mercury favorably placed by day indicate great advancement and increase of wealth. When unfavorably placed by night, they bring about the chilling of business, contentions, debts, sickness, deceptions in business and harm from speech.

Saturn onto Moon unfavorably placed cause uproars, bodily illness, the reduction of possessions and harm to the mother. When favorably placed, the time is profitable and productive of alliance.

Jupiter onto Saturn favorably placed by day cause advancement, association with the great, the alleviation of distress, nativities spend freely and manage the work of others. When unfavorably placed by night, they cause turbulent times, oppression by superiors and grief from relatives.

Jupiter favorably placed by day causes good opinion with all matters, learning, wisdom, wealth, alliances, friendship, acquisition, gifts and success. When unfavorably placed by night, it causes hardship, travel abroad, disputes with superiors, unemployment, losses, expenses, slanders, cares on account of public affairs, jealousy and judgements.

Jupiter onto Mars unfavorably placed cause enmities and rumours. When favorably placed, they release one from oppression, bring friendships with the great, profits and acquisitions, and if the nativity is distinguished, they bring public offices and governorship.

Jupiter onto Sun favorably placed by day are advancing, successful, and they bring sympathetic friendships. When unfavorably placed by night, they are disturbing with regard to the father and livelihood.

Jupiter onto Venus favorably placed are productive of unexpected wealth, advancement, affairs, marriage and children. When unfavorably placed, they cause enmity, uproar and unemployment.

Jupiter onto Mercury favorably placed cause profits, partnership, friendship, gifts and mysticism. When unfavorably placed, they bring losses and expenses.

Jupiter onto Moon favorably cause good fortune, help from relatives and important women. When unfavorably placed they bring gains and expenses.

Mars onto Saturn favorably placed are disturbing with regard to affairs, livelihood and children, they cause inactivity. When unfavorably placed, they cause judgements, violence, enmity, plots, grief, dangerous illness and condemnations.

Mars onto Jupiter favorably placed cause great success, alliances and distinguished positions, but they cause rather moderate advancement when post-ascending. When unfavorably placed, they produce enmities, slanders, separations from friends and vicissitudes.

Mars favorably placed by night causes effective, profitable and advancing time, alliances with superiors and public fame. When unfavorably placed by day, it makes enmities, weakness, fears, dangers, falls, slanders, abuse and annoyances.

Mars onto Sun favorably placed cause activities and friendship, but with hardship and doubts. When unfavorably placed, they are disturbing, productive of vexation of travel, bloodshed, harm from fire, bodily illness, dimming of vision and grief from the father.

Mars onto Venus favorably placed by night are always profitable, graceful and delightful. When unfavorably placed by day, they are harmful for the sake of affairs and women, and they bring separations and quarrels.

Mars onto Mercury favorably placed make penalties and lawsuit. When unfavorably placed, they cause treachery, falsity, crime, sickness and debts.

Mars onto Moon favorably placed by night cause advancement and profit. When unfavorably placed by day, they cause bodily illness, confusion, travel weakness, financial harms and grief.

Sun onto Saturn favorably placed by day are effective for actions, wealth, joy and memories of ancient matters. When unfavorably placed by night, they cause dangers, inactivity, judgements, bankruptcies, enmities with elders, deaths of relatives, fearful sights and anxiety.

Sun onto Jupiter favorably placed by day make for great actions, evident matters, friendship with great men, acquisition and renown. When unfavorably placed by night, they cause vicissitudes in livelihood, obstacles in advancement, enmities, confusion and bodily illness with malefics.

Sun onto Mars favorably placed cause advancement and profit. When unfavorably placed, they harm the father or one who is like the father, they stir up trouble with friends and relatives, they cause sickness, dimming of vision, treachery, enmities, expenses, travel, slanders and dangers.

Sun favorably placed by day is effective for making alliances and friendships with superiors, and it promises trust, friendship, profitable travel and livelihood. When unfavorably placed by night, it gives disputes with superiors, idleness, confusion, loss of spirit, sickness, judgement, violence, dimming of vision, harm to the father and the patrimony.

Sun onto Venus favorably placed are good, joyful, affectionate, graceful, and they associate men with women. When unfavorably placed and inoperative, they cause disturbances from family and women, sickness and confusion.

Sun onto Mercury favorably placed are effective for actions, prosperity in business, partnership, trust, reconciliation, purchases, exchange, domestic affairs, learning and manifestation of hidden matters. When unfavorably placed, they cause hindrances, confusion, treachery, diminishment of money, harm from friends, oppression, deceptions, thefts from servants, sickness with malefics.

Sun onto Moon favorably placed are fine for unions and everything. When unfavorably placed, they cause expenditures, travel and unpleasantness in relation to women, family and superiors.

Venus onto Saturn favorably placed are inharmonious with regard to affairs and harmonious with regard to business. When unfavorably placed, they cause death of important women, confusion, abuse, quarrels with women, poisoning, plots and shameful deeds.

Venus onto Jupiter favorably placed cause great actions, alliances, marriage and children. When unfavorably placed and inoperative, they cause losses from women and separations.

Venus onto Mars favorably placed by night are effective in everything. When unfavorably placed by day, they are harmful, productive of quarrels, jealousy and adultery for passionate nativities.

Venus onto Sun favorably placed are effective, cheerful, affectionate, graceful and they associate men with women. When unfavorably placed with malefics, they cause disturbances from family and women, confusion and sickness.

Venus favorably placed by night is good, successful, effective, profitable, especially with regard to domestic affairs, advancement, pleasure, friendship with women and graceful activities. When unfavorably placed by day, it gives unemployment, expenses, anxiety, judgement, quarrels with women, enmity and diseases with malefics.

Venus onto Mercury favorably placed are effective for exchanges, trade, letters, education, rank, honours, purchases, friendship and partnership. When unfavorably placed, they bring expenses, separations from women, jealousy and plots with malefics.

Venus onto Moon favorably placed are affectionate, cheerful and effective. When unfavorably placed, they are harmful with regard to domestic affairs, women and health.

Mercury onto Saturn favorably placed increase reputation and bring acquisition, harm enemies, provide benefits from ancient unions, trade and matters. When unfavorably placed, they indicate lawsuits, unemployment, debt, harm from friends, servants and treachery.

Mercury onto Jupiter favorably placed are effective for action, trade, speech, learning, especially for those who wish to come into power. When unfavorably placed, they indicate disturbances, quarrels with superiors and sickness with malefics.

Mercury onto Mars favorably placed indicate those who are daring, inventive and excited about things. When unfavorably placed, they signify uprisings, attacks and threats from criminals, grief from children, friends, servants and speeches.

Mercury onto Sun favorably placed are effective for action, trade, travel, learning, speeches and manifestation of hidden matters. When unfavorably placed, they bring expenses and judgement.

Mercury onto Venus favorably placed cause benefits from women and affairs. When unfavorably placed, they cause distressing messages and domestic disturbances.

Mercury favorably placed is good and effective for trade, speech, exchanges, politics, diplomacy, writing and learning. When unfavorably placed, it causes loss of wealth and friends, dishonesty, deception, uproars and lawsuits.

Mercury onto Moon favorably placed give profit, authority and luxury. When unfavorably placed with malefics, they indicate bodily illness, contentions and dangers.

Moon onto Saturn favorably placed cause advancement and success. When unfavorably placed, they cause bodily illness, weakness, infirmity of the eyesight, the chilling of activities, dangers, expenses, inactivity, fevers and the remembrance of ancient matters.

Moon onto Jupiter favorably placed are good, productive, full of accomplishment, they associate with the great, they bring ranks, offices, benefits, gifts from females, marriage for the unmarried, children to the married, alliances and friendships, increase of livelihood and rank for the mother, success in business, and fulfillment of hopes and expectations. When unfavorably placed, they cause moderate fortune, and expenses with malefics.

Moon onto Mars favorably placed by night promise success, but with anxiety and labour. When unfavorably placed by day, they cause unforeseen dangers and falls, and ascending from Saturn, they cause dangerous illness, bleeding, accidents with fire, penalties, domestic disorder, hostility, separation from women, grief from women, trials, imprisonment and upheavals of the masses.

Moon onto Sun favorably placed are effective for everything. When unfavorably placed with the malefics, they bring the waning of livelihood, great expenses, the failure of actions, vain hopes, travel abroad, domestic disorders and upheavals.

Moon onto Venus favorably placed by night are cheerful, effective, affectionate, productive of rank and marriage. When unfavorably placed by day with malefics, they indicate unpleasantness, hatred, expenses, breaches of promises, jealousy, quarrels and harm from relatives and women.

Moon onto Mercury favorably placed are good with respect to females and political associations. When unfavorably placed with malefics, they indicate lawsuits, disturbances because of money, documents and accounts, condemnations and great struggles.

Moon favorably placed causes travel abroad, alliances, reputations and help from women. When unfavorably placed with malefics, it causes bodily illness, dangers, wanderings, affliction for the mother, dimming of vision, grief from relatives, censures and uproars of the multitudes.

Every placement and rulership causes effects concerning life and siblings, livelihood and wealth, relatives and partnership, parents and household, fortune and beneficence, injury and servants, wives and success, property and acquisition, travel and education, action and children, friendship and opportunities, suffering and enemies, males or females, many times, once or twice, watery or terrestrial, eloquent or silent, human or quadrupedal, royal or common, intimidating or peaceful, and the like, and their admixtures account for all causal effects. Jupiter, Venus and Mercury also cause favorable effects with bounds, assemblies and configurations. Saturn, Mars, Sun and Moon also cause unfavorable effects with bounds, assemblies, tetragons and diameters for the Releaser.

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It will be necessary to examine the trigon rulers of the four winds and to forecast stability and weakness according to the houserulers in power.
From the trigon rulers of I, V and IX make judgement of life, siblings and fortune.
From the trigon rulers of II, VI and X make judgement of action, children and livelihood.
From the trigon rulers of III, VII and XI make judgement of affairs, success and friendship.
From the trigon rulers of IV, VIII and XII make judgement of parents, household and property.

One must examine the trigon rulers of the Lightbringer, for they indicate eminence when they are ascending, prosperity when they are post-ascending, and undistinguished nativities when they are pre-ascending, especially if the Lights and the Lots are inoperative and ascending from malefics. When the trigon rulers are also favorably placed, the nativities will be greater, but when they are unfavorably placed with inoperative houserulers, the nativity will be lesser.

Examine the winds of the Seven Stars and the Lots. For when the predominating houserulers are operative and favorably placed, the first part of life is fortunate, but when the second houserulers are inoperative and unfavorably placed, the second part of life is unfortunate, especially when the cooperating houserulers are similarly placed. Changeover occurs at the completion of the rising times and recurrence years of the predominating houserulers, whichever comes second, for both have to be completed. Rising times and recurrence years are operative with the sidereal year.

Saturn is operative every 30 and 57 years
Jupiter is operative every 12 and 79 years
Mars is operative every 15 and 66 years
Sun is operative every 19 and 120 years
Venus is operative every 8 and 82 years
Mercury is operative every 20 and 76 years
Moon is operative every 25 and 108 years

The numbers of the images, the stars, their assemblies and configurations are energetic. Sum up their recurrence years and rising times, and forecast chronocratorship. Let the Moon be with Leo and Mars be with Taurus, the tetragon will be operative with the 40th year, with the rising times of Leo and Taurus, with the years of the Moon and rising time of Taurus, with the years of Mars and rising time of Leo, and with addition of recurrence years, greater recurrence years and rising times. Assemblies are operative at the completion of the rising times of the images and with the aforementioned principles.

One star has the possession of years, one action, one stability, one change, and one decline. The chronocratorships must be understood as the results of the interaction of benefics and malefics. One must make the type of forecast which is operative in accord with the positions of the stars, the configurations and the nature of the images. The effects of the Seven Stars are more vigorous during the recurrence years, the greater recurrence years and the rising times.

Release the Dodekatopos and the Seven Stars every sidereal year. One must examine the stars where the count stops to see if they are operative and to make a judgement about the stars with configuration, whether good or bad. If there are no present stars, the image and the domicile ruler are examined in the same way. The transmissions to the domicile rulers are halved in power. The transmissions of the Hour-Marker, the Sun and the Moon will indicate the quality of the year.

Hour-Marker onto Saturn is bad, especially if unfavorably placed. It brings sickness, vicissitudes in livelihood, anxiety, disturbing crises, falls and injuries.

Hour-Marker onto Jupiter is good, productive of profit, advancement and rank. Some are helped and promoted by the great, some escape dangers and crises, and have their troubles relieved, and others attain freedom.

Hour-Marker onto Mars is bad, especially if unfavorably placed. It brings dangers, vicissitudes in livelihood, anxiety, disturbing crises, falls and injuries.

Hour-Marker onto Sun is successful. Men are well received by great people and superiors, and it brings even higher positions and advancement to those of high rank.

Hour-Marker onto Venus is lovely, productive of associations, acquisition, affairs with women, joy and escape from evil.

Hour-Marker onto Mercury is effective, profitable and successful. If the transmission is harmed by malefics, the period will be subject to the law and to penalties.

Hour-Marker onto Moon is steady, productive of association and help from women, innovations, successful travel and prosperity abroad, especially with benefics. It causes the opposite and with disturbances with malefics.

Hour-Marker receiving the Seven Stars shows the same results, the forecast will be made of good or bad according to the position of each star, whether appropriate or the opposite.

Saturn onto Saturn causes troubles, unemployment, disgrace, hostility from elders and the great. Men fail in their attempts and if they do accomplish anything, it becomes insecure. When Mars and Mercury are present, men are denounced and have trials because of documents, religion and legacies, malignity and tricks. If benefics are configured, the results will be mild and mixed with some success. Inoperative transmissions are weak or bad, especially involving the VI and XII.

Saturn onto Jupiter is fine and effective, productive of inheritances and legacies. Men are helped from elders and wills, they receive estates and property, profit from water, ships, buildings and restorations of old matters, and they are adorned with livelihood. When Mars and Mercury are present, men endure trials and lawsuits, and they have untimely expenses.

Saturn onto Mars is dangerous and terrible, causing illness, plots, troubles, dangers, the deaths of family members, suffering, disturbances, lawsuits on behalf of relatives, ingratitude of friends, family upheavals, defense speeches, disputes, fears and hatred with respect to the great, dangers and profitless travel. When Jupiter and Venus are turned away, it causes injuries, diseases, ruins and shipwrecks. When Jupiter and Venus are ascending, most of the trouble will be dissipated.

Saturn onto Sun is uncertain, dangerous for the father, with hostility, penalties, lawsuits, troubles for the eyesight, the recurrence of disease, meanness on the part of friends and relatives. When Jupiter and Venus are ascending by day, men succeed with wearisome labour and expenditures, or they profit from deaths.

Saturn onto Venus causes unpleasant year, separations, quarrels with females, deaths of females, inconstancy of marriage and love affairs, sickness, weakness, chills, reversals, lawsuits, changes in affairs. If Jupiter is turned away, men become victims of plots and poisonings.

Saturn onto Mercury makes troubles, disputes about old and religious matters, money, accounts, giving and receiving. It causes obstacles to accomplishing anything, penalties, betrayals, hatred, deaths of family members, some become accomplices and meddlesome persons, others become involved in loans and debts, and they suffer upheavals because of documents and legacies.

Saturn onto Moon is dangerous for the mother and female individuals, with hostility, separations, crime, disturbances in business, dangerous movements, sickness, intermittent fevers, internal and nervous disorders, feebleness, dimming of vision and unexpected diseases.

Jupiter onto Saturn makes unpleasant year, expenses, domestic distrust, deaths, changes of affairs and business, unsteady associations, hostility of friends, men fail to succeed in their enterprises or they experience delays, they petition and plead for justice, and many are involved in troubles.

Jupiter onto Jupiter is good and effective, bringing help from friends, gifts, successful activities, trusts, stewardships, associations with the great, and conceptions of children. If Mars is upon the tenth or diametrical, it brings ups and downs, and untimely expenses.

Jupiter onto Mars causes harmful and disturbing year, hostility from superiors, condemnations, slanders, betrayals, dangerous travel, disease, critical periods, grief from family members, ups and downs. When favorably placed, and with governing nativity, it brings advancement, political ties, expenses, gifts, promises, but with anxiety and suspicion.

Jupiter onto Sun makes brilliant year, full of accomplishment, popular success, advancement and offices. For distinguished nativities, it brings governing positions, treasures and eminence. For nativities of moderate fortune, it brings employment, freedom, beneficial associations, changes, sympathetic friendships, childbirths and acquisitions, especially when favorably placed by day.

Jupiter onto Venus is profitable and full of gain, affectionate, indicative of gifts and help from women. Men are involved in intimacy, love affairs, friendships and marriages. For distinguished nativities, it brings honours, ranks, state offices, great advancement, preeminence, possession of servants and ornaments.

Jupiter onto Mercury is effective and profitable, it develops business and helps those concerned with words, accounts and documents. It brings friendship with the great, gifts, conveyances, profits from deposits or treasuries because of which men purchase servants and become elegant. With ascending malefics, it gives extraordinary trials, slanders amongst the masses, and anxiety.

Jupiter onto Moon is successful and full of accomplishment, indicative of help from women and distinguished individuals, preeminence, escape from evils, acquisition of ornaments and servants, affairs and children, gifts, conveyances, and benefits for the mother.

Mars onto Saturn causes terrible and disturbing year, lawsuits, abuse, penalties, breaches of faith, dangers, grief from family members, violent disruptive deeds, sudden dangers, enemies, illness, bandit attacks, profitless travel, injury and grief from servants. With ascending benefics, it causes minor troubles. The changeable and solid images are critical and make the results more certain.

Mars onto Jupiter makes fine and effective year, with success, associations with the great, good hopes and fulfillment of wishes. If the nativity is military, one will campaign and be successful. Those of lofty fortune become distinguished with governorship and high rank, they change their position for the better and become adorned with the prerogatives appropriate to them. When the stars are diametrical, the transmission causes reversals and penalties.

Mars onto Mars is unpleasant and disturbing, with hostility, harm or abuse connected with public business with expenses for the public. Some are abused and imprisoned by officials and by the wealthy. Mars by night is not bad, it indicates action, help and success, particularly for those who participate in martial affairs, public and official life.

Mars onto Sun causes hostile year danger to the father or to one who is like the father, hostility from the great, separation from friends, dangerous diseases, troubles of the eyesight, danger from fires, heights, animals, bleeding and falls. It brings envy, disputes and risky travels. When Jupiter or Venus are ascending, it brings about employment and political ties, but with anxieties, upsets, plots, hatred and obstacles.

Mars onto Venus causes troubles, hostility and separations from females, family upheavals, grief from females, intimacy, whoring, impermanent friendships, denunciation, chills, inactivity, men become confounded in their business affairs.

Mars onto Mercury is disturbing, dangerous, with penalties, disputes because of documents and money, crime, magic, loans, debts, legal attacks and defenses. With double-bodied images, men display this same behavior towards others and commit crime. If the three releasers are preserved, men survive these effects.

Mars onto Moon indicates dangerous year, disorders, confinement, lawsuits, anxieties, dangerous travel, attacks and abuse from foreigners, danger to the mother and females, battles, separations, disturbances of the masses and the city, weakness, bleeding, falls, relapses of diseases, dangers from fire and shipwreck. When Saturn and Mars are ascending, it causes blindness, wounds, the breaking of bones, troubles and injuries to the eyes. When Jupiter and Venus are ascending, they portend risky activities and advancement.

Sun onto Saturn causes troubles, unemployment, setbacks, hostility and rejection, damage from superiors or elders, rebellions of subordinates, disease, eye infirmities, vicissitudes of livelihood, terrifying upheavals, grief from fathers and similar figures. When Saturn is unfavorably placed, it brings convictions and imprisonment.

Sun onto Jupiter makes brilliant year, increase of rank for the father, association with superiors, prosperity, gifts, prominent occupations, offices, affairs, children, it brings enterprises to fruition and foretells great expectations. When the image is culminating and royal, it causes preeminence.

Sun onto Mars causes sickly and dangerous year, infirmity for the father or one like the father, it is effective and successful in business, but with many quarrels, expenses, inopportune penalties, with hostility from the great or from fathers, harm from subordinates, bleeding, blindness, mental troubles, crises, hatred and abuse.

Sun onto Sun makes brilliant prospects and activities, associations and unexpected benefits from superiors and the great. When Saturn and Mars are ascending, it brings hostility, accusations, the reduction of livelihood, the ruin of status, dangerous travel, hostility, infirmity for the father, and the disruption of activities.

Sun onto Venus causes good and affectionate year, with associations, friendships, affections, joy, gifts, marriages, children, buying of jewels and servants, offices, distinguished ranks, and visions of great expectations for those of superior rank.

Sun onto Mercury is good and effective, with advantages, association, benefits for servants, with giving and receiving. With ascending malefics, it brings trials and tribulations, anxiety because of money and writings, condemnations of friends and servants, untimely expenses and penalties.

Sun onto Moon is vigorous, kindly, with acquisitions, associations, affairs, unions, distinguished births, prosperity and gifts from abroad.

Venus onto Saturn makes uncertain and damaging year, separation from women, fights, violence, denunciation, injustice from the mother and females, hostility of relatives, disgrace, disputes with elders and associates. It entangles men in gossip and shameful passions, unstable friendships and intimacies, lawsuits from women and confrontations. If Mars and Mercury are ascending, it gives sickness, plots and poisonings.

Venus onto Jupiter is good, full of gain, it brings association with the great, gifts, offices, civic and social magnificence, rank, advancement, affairs, marriages, friendships, conception, children and graciousness in all activities. Even if the nativity is of moderate fortune, it will have success and become adorned with the prerogatives appropriate to the distinction of the nativity.

Venus onto Mars causes battles, separations from women, bleeding, grief from women, lawsuits because of women, jealousy, hostility, denunciation, gossip and whoring.

Venus onto Sun makes glorious year, full of accomplishment, associations, intimacy, marriages, childbirths, purchase of ornaments and servants, gifts, high rank for the father, sympathies from father-like figures. For those of superior rank, it brings high priesthood, advancement, offices, gifts to the masses, oracles, association in religious and divine matters, charm and joy.

Venus onto Venus causes pleasant year, friendships, associations, agreements, gifts, enjoyable intimacies, marriages, family harmony, pleasures and profits. When unfavorably placed, it causes denunciation, whoring, penalties, breaches of faith, treachery from women, trials and disorder.

Venus onto Mercury is effective, full of attainment with the areas of giving, receiving and trade. For those active in writings and education, it indicates friendship, the purchase of ornaments and servants, alliances and agreements, ranks, honours, success in business, association in religious matters, trusts, deposits, and harmony of relatives.

Venus onto Moon decorates men with spectacular livelihoods and bestows on them distinguished ranks, except that it brings envy, jealousy, quarrels, enmity, incomplete or partial acquisition and benefits. When Saturn and Mars are ascending, it causes injustice, hatred, uncertainty and harm from friends and relatives.

Mercury onto Saturn indicates disturbances, dangers, ruin of business, abuse, penalties and trials because of religion, documents or debts. Men become enfeebled and diseased, they see the death of family members, they go to courts and have disputes about legacies. When Mars is ascending, nativities contrive something dangerous for themselves. When Jupiter and Venus are ascending, it brings rank and success in business after expenses and delays.

Mercury onto Jupiter indicates effective and successful year, political ties, friendship, success in business, stewardship, office of prophet, and prosperity in letters and accounts. When ascending from Saturn and Mars, it causes bad reputation amongst the masses, scandals, anxieties, untimely expenditures, and disorder with regard to family, friends and relatives.

Mercury onto Mars is disturbing, with hostility and trials, penalties, crime, forgery, loans, debts, attacks, plundering, disorder, betrayal, and family upheavals. Some inflict all this on others, they become bold and active in their assaults, with attempts in all directions they live in anxiety and upheaval, suspecting crises and anticipating ruin.

Mercury onto Sun is effective and full of accomplishment, it brings associations with the great, requests, gifts, but with some delays and obstacles, stewardship, preeminence, the knowledge of religious matters, and it is especially glorious and beneficial for those involved in education and written matters, religion and acting.

Mercury onto Venus is effective, lovely, with giving and receiving, purchases and exchanges. It is helpful for those involved in education, stewardship and writing, it brings new friendships and intimacies. For distinguished nativities, it causes acquisitions of ornaments and servants, success in requests, friendship, advancement and beneficence.

Mercury onto Mercury is effective and helpful in enterprises and trusts, it causes men to achieve their goals, to become superior to their enemies, to operate as actors and religious figures, to be successful in business, and to gain prosperity from words and accounts. When favorably placed, it makes greater trusts and profits. When unfavorably placed, it causes anxieties and reversals.

Mercury onto Moon is effective, especially if both are favorably placed, for it causes association, profit in business, success, trusts, achievement of goals, and understanding with the great. When ascending from malefics, it brings trials, expenses, abuse, threats from the great, imprisonment, anxieties, and unholy revealing of mysteries.

Moon onto Saturn makes complicated and fluctuating year, grief from the mother, hostility and disarray in business, change of places, chilling of activities, bodily dangers, fevers, and infirmity of the eyesight. When Jupiter and Venus are ascending, the damage will be less, except that the period will be harmful and grievous.

Moon onto Jupiter makes good and productive year, full of accomplishment, it gives associations with the great, rank, offices, gifts, marriage, children, alliances, friendship, increase of livelihood and rank for the mother, success in business and fulfillment of expectations.

Moon onto Mars causes dangers, illness, bleeding, falls, accidents with fire, penalties, domestic disorder, separation, deaths of important women, hostility, trials, imprisonment and upheavals of the city. When favorably placed by night, it causes success, but only with anxiety and labour.

Moon onto Sun brings the waning of livelihood and expenses. When malefics are ascending, it causes the failure of actions, vain hopes, upheavals, disturbances and domestic disorders. When benefics are ascending, it brings expenditures resulting in purchases and renewed success in business, affairs, marriages, advancement, some gifts and benefactions.

Moon onto Venus causes success, accomplishment, rank, association, alliances and affairs. When Saturn and Mars are ascending, it brings about unpleasantness, hatred, expenses, the breaches of promise towards female individuals, jealousy, quarrels, disorders and hostility towards friends.

Moon onto Mercury makes success with respect to females and political associations, especially when Jupiter and Venus are configured. When Saturn and Mars are ascending, it brings lawsuits and disturbances because of money, documents and accounts.

Moon onto Moon is unpleasant, indicative of hostility and lawsuits from the great, vicissitudes in livelihood and confrontations with relatives or wives. When Jupiter and Venus are configured, it brings good cheer. When Saturn and Mars are ascending, it causes sickness and sudden dangers.

One must examine the operative month, counting from the Sun to the Moon at the nativity, and the same from the Hour-Marker, and the operative day, counting from the Moon to the Sun at the nativity, and the same from the Hour-Marker. Examine the stars where the count stops to see if they are benefic or malefic, operative or inoperative, and make a judgement about the stars with configuration, whether good or bad. If there are no present stars, the image and the domicile ruler are examined in the same way. The revolutions with domicile rulers are halved in power.

Saturn - cold, moderately dry, ups and downs, withdrawal, anxiety, falls, disturbances
Jupiter - hot, moderately moist, opportunities, friendship, elevation, wellbeing, harmony
Mars - burning, drying, ups and downs, separation, confusion, unexpected falls, fights
Sun - hot, moderately dry, action, friendship with superiors, success, associations, reputation
Venus - moist, moderately hot, fortune, association with women, advancement, joy, acquisitions
Mercury - moist, dry, profit, exchanges and communication, written matters, advice, disputes
Moon - moist, moderately hot, innovation, association with women, gains, expenses, travel

One must make the type of forecast which is operative in accord with the operative year and the nativity, for this is changed to that and that is changed to this by differences in the hours of birth.

Sun and Moon arouse the powers of the images, in the places of benefics, they are good, but in the places of malefics, they are harmful. Malefics are distressing when ascending or upon the Sun and Moon, Jupiter and Venus are uplifting. Every ascending and Fortune ingress is vigorous for good or bad. The effects are more vigorous during chronocratorship.

Saturn onto Saturn causes troubles, unemployment, hostility from elders and the great, disgrace, removals and wandering in foreign lands, disturbing crises, deaths of parents, reduction of wealth and property, insecurity and anxiety. When favorably placed by day, men advance in business.
Saturn onto Jupiter fines and damages what is being competed, it causes toil and the reduction of wealth. When Jupiter is favorably placed by day, people receive help from elders and wills, some gain profit from land, water, ancient matters and increase of livelihood.
Saturn onto Mars makes those who discouraged and not eager, it gathers up enemies and trouble, and it makes sickness with Mercury. With Jupiter present, most of the trouble will be dissipated.
Saturn onto Sun causes dangers from authorities and kings, dimming of vision, dangers in travel, penalties and unemployment. When the Sun is favorably placed, it brings troubles and expenses.
Saturn onto Venus indicates disturbances in friendship and love, changes in affairs and business, and it causes marriage for the unmarried. When Venus is favorably placed, it brings profit.
Saturn onto Mercury causes the chilling of business, sickness, contentions, deceptions in trade or harm from speech and documents. When Mercury is favorably placed, it brings expenditures.
Saturn onto Moon causes misfortune, infirmity and reduction of possessions. When the Moon is favorably placed, it brings troubles, expenses and grief from female individuals.

Jupiter onto Saturn provides alleviation of distress, people spend freely and manage the work of others. When unfavorably placed, it brings grief from children and relatives.
Jupiter onto Jupiter brings profit and fame. When unfavorably placed, it brings moderate fortune.
Jupiter onto Mars releases one from oppression, brings friendship with great persons, profits and acquisitions. When the stars are diametrical, it is indicative of reversals and penalties.
Jupiter onto Sun is advancing, successful and it brings sympathetic friendships.
Jupiter onto Venus is productive of unexpected wealth, advancement, affairs and children.
Jupiter onto Mercury causes activities, profits, partnership, friendship, gifts and mysticism.
Jupiter onto Moon causes good fortune, associations, sympathy and help from women.

Mars onto Saturn makes those who are resolute, ready and effective.
Mars onto Jupiter is disturbing and harms the good of Jupiter.
Mars onto Mars is unpleasant, impulsive and generally harmful.
Mars onto Sun causes disturbances, vexation, travel, bloodshed, harm from fire and sickness.
Mars onto Venus is harmful for the sake of affairs and women, with separation and jealousy.
Mars onto Mercury makes penalties, lawsuits, treachery, falsity and crime.
Mars onto Moon causes bodily illness, weakness and financial harms.

Sun onto Saturn is effective for actions, and brings wealth, joy and memories of ancient matters.
Sun onto Jupiter makes for great renown and cheerful month.
Sun onto Mars harms the father or one who is like the father, it stirs up trouble with friends and relatives, it causes sickness, diminishment of money and wanderings.
Sun onto Sun is beneficial for activities and association, with help from superiors.
Sun onto Venus is good, joyful, affectionate and associates one with women.
Sun onto Mercury is effective for actions and manifestation of hidden matters.
Sun onto Moon is fine for unions and everything.

Venus onto Saturn is inharmonious with regard to affairs, but effective in business.
Venus onto Jupiter is effective, but causes groundless expectations.
Venus onto Mars is harmful, productive of quarrels and jealousy.
Venus onto Sun is good, profitable and cheerful.
Venus onto Venus is affectionate, cheerful and pleasant.
Venus onto Mercury augments the goods of Mercury.
Venus onto Moon is affectionate, cheerful and effective.

Mercury onto Saturn gives increase of reputation and benefits from old unions, trade and matters.
Mercury onto Jupiter is effective, especially for those who wish to come into power.
Mercury onto Mars makes those who are daring, inventive and excited about things.
Mercury onto Sun is effective for action, trade and manifestation of hidden matters.
Mercury onto Venus is good, elegant and with help from women and affairs.
Mercury onto Mercury is profitable or unprofitable depending on the placement.
Mercury onto Moon provides profit, bodily health and strength.

Moon onto Saturn causes inactivity, disturbing dreams and the remembrance of ancient matters.
Moon onto Jupiter is good for the beginning of every action.
Moon onto Mars makes for unforeseen dangers and falls.
Moon onto Sun is good and effective for everything.
Moon onto Venus is cheerful, effective and delightful.
Moon onto Mercury is good or bad depending on the placement of Mercury at the nativity.
Moon onto Moon makes thoughts rise to the surface. If favorably placed, it provides good cheer.

Hurling a stone against some skillfully-crafted bronze object hits only momentarily, but its clang echoes for quite some time. In the same way, when the stars are chronocrators, they display their causative effects only briefly, but during the succeeding time, they are active as the clang.

One must make precise judgement of life, appearance, parents, brothers, action, affairs, children, friendship, enemies and travel. It will be necessary to investigate the chronocratorship and make precise judgement of the noteworthy events for every year, month and day until the end of life.

1 - Key of the Releaser
2 - Key of the Dodekatemoria
3 - Key of the Winds
4 - Key of the Numbers
5 - Key of the Progressions
6 - Key of the Revolutions
7 - Key of the Seven Stars

One must also understand that the first, the second and the third key have the greater authority to realize the events. The fourth and the fifth key cooperate or deter. The sixth and the seventh key influence the degree of increase or decrease in the event. When the distributions of the sevenfold system are the same, the causal effects become excessive.

Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html - 1.2
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf - check Valens 4.17-25 and remember his oath in 4.11.

Now since the cycles and effects of the stars have been summarily reviewed, it would be well to bring this procedure also to a fitting close.

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Ten examples of different considerations:
1) Hour-Marker at 6 Leo, Saturn at 30 Gemini, Jupiter at 24 Virgo, Mars at 3 Leo, Sun at 29 Taurus, Venus at 2 Cancer, Mercury at 15 Gemini, Moon at 27 Scorpio, Ascending Node at 27 Taurus, preceding New Moon at 15 Taurus.

The nativity was world-ruling, with power over life and death for the Sun was culminating with the Ascending Node and benefic configurations while the Moon, the preceding New Moon, Fortune, Daimon and Foundation were angular. Furthermore, the domicile ruler of the Moon was marking the hour with the royal star of Regulus, and the trigon rulers of the Lightbringer were angular after the 38th year, which was the rising time of Venus.

He was wealthy from the beginning because of the father, since the Lot of the Father was at 1 Sagittarius with Jupiter upon the tenth, in the place of wealth relative to the nativity. After the change of wind in the 38th year he amassed even more property and treasuries, for Saturn was favorably placed by wind, bound, sect, solstice, horizon and gender and the rulers of the II and VIII were operative and configured through like-engirding tetragon.

Three marriages in the 31st, 48th and 59th year, respectively. Two brothers, two sisters, three sons and two daughters. One of the brothers died from alcoholism because of the rising star of Mars. He became king of kings in the 71st year for the Releaser reached the hexagon ray of Jupiter with exalting and operative transmissions. Moon onto Saturn was operative through the method of the dodekatemoria.

2) Hour-Marker at 14 Gemini, Saturn retreating at 25 Gemini, Jupiter retreating at 3 Libra, Mars at 22 Gemini, Sun at 26 Aquarius, Venus at 5 Pisces, Mercury at 14 Pisces, Moon at 29 Taurus, Ascending Node at 2 Gemini, preceding New Moon at 19 Aquarius.

The nativity was short-lived of 69 days because the malefics were rising and were operative by year and the method of the dodekatemoria, and were upon the tenth of the Lot of Fortune, while the Sun, the Moon and the preceding New Moon were inoperative and within malefic bounds.

3) Hour-Marker at 4 Libra, Saturn at 21 Cancer, Jupiter at 16 Sagittarius, Mars at 24 Aries, the Sun at 8 Aries, Venus retreating at 24 Aries, Mercury at 3 Aries, Moon at 14 Sagittarius, Ascending Node at 23 Gemini, preceding Full Moon at 3 Libra.

The nativity was of a great tyrant, initially an artist of humble origins, he had an impulse towards the military in the 26th year. He failed a coup in the 35th year and was imprisoned in the chronocratorship of Saturn, but he was released from bonds in the following year. In the 43th year and the following years he became exalted in the chronocratorship of Mercury, and he conquered many lands and killed millions, but he was depressed in the 53rd year, and he commited suicide in the 57th year for the Releaser reached the ray of the Moon within an inoperative image, and because of the chronocratorship and universals.

4) Hour-Marker at 1 Virgo, Saturn at 13 Aries, Jupiter at 24 Aries, Mars at 4 Gemini, Sun at 19 Capricorn, Venus at 13 Capricorn, Mercury at 5 Aquarius, Moon at 14 Gemini, Ascending Node at 13 Scorpio, preceding New Moon at 7 Capricorn.

The native was very ill with influenza in the 37th year because of the ray of Saturn, but he survived because of the intervention of Jupiter and the Master of the Nativity, and he was paralyzed in the 40th year in the chronocratorship of Mercury, although he still became governor in the 47th year, and then exalted, he became king of kings in the 51st year because of the bound and ray of Jupiter, and he was victorious in campaigns, and he died in the 64th year because of the overall placements of the Lights and the chronocratorship.

5) Hour-Marker at 19 Gemini, Saturn at 12 Pisces, Jupiter at 5 Aquarius, Mars at 4 Capricorn, Sun at 1 Pisces, Venus at 24 Pisces, Mercury at 11 Pisces, Moon at 21 Scorpio, Ascending Node at 9 Capricorn, preceding Full Moon at 25 Leo.

The nativity was of a famous physicist. The 27th year was exalting, because of the years of the Sun and Venus, and because of the profections and progressions. Two marriages in the 24th and 41st year, respectively. Loss of child. He travelled in different countries, initially north-northeast because of the Lot of Travel, but then south because of the ruler, and eventually west because of the Moon. He died in the 77th year through internal bleeding caused by the rupture of abdominal aortic aneurysm for the Releaser reached the bound of Mars, which ruled Accusation.

6) Gemini Rising, Saturn with Scorpio, Jupiter with Taurus, Mars with Scorpio, Sun with Leo, Venus with Leo, Mercury with Virgo, Moon with Scorpio, Ascending Node with Virgo, preceding New Moon with Leo. The nativity was needy, poor, miserable, not finding the daily bread because the ruler of Fortune, the Lights and the Rulers of the Moon were inoperative.

7) Scorpio Rising, Saturn with Leo, Jupiter with Virgo, Mars with Pisces, Sun with Aries, Venus with Taurus, Mercury with Taurus, Moon with Scorpio, Ascending Node with Aquarius, preceding Full Moon with Libra. The nativity was mighty in eminence, powerful in leadership so that crowns of gold and silver were placed on him.

8) Leo Rising, Saturn with Libra, Jupiter with Scorpio, Mars with Aquarius, Sun with Taurus, Venus with Gemini, Mercury with Taurus, Moon with Virgo, Ascending Node with Leo, preceding New Moon with Taurus. He was exalted and became king of kings in the 65th year.

9) Capricorn Rising, Saturn with Capricorn, Jupiter with Capricorn, Mars with Leo, Sun with Cancer, Venus with Gemini, Mercury with Cancer, Ascending Node with Leo, preceding Full Moon with Capricorn. He was exalted and became king of kings in the 48th year.

10) Aquarius Rising, Saturn with Capricorn, Jupiter with Virgo, Mars with Scorpio, Sun with Libra, Venus with Scorpio, Mercury with Libra, Moon with Libra, Ascending Node with Aquarius, preceding New Moon with Libra. The native became a miner, and then supervisor of mines, and he retired to an old age, and was grieved from the loss of wife and daughter.
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2. On Appearance

When the dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker, the Moon and the Lot of Fortune
fall in masculine images, they cause male nativities, and
they make females when they fall in feminine images.

Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Schmidt, R. Hephaistio of Thebes Apotelesmatics Book II. Project Hindsight.
Sidonius, D., & Pingree, D. (1976). Carmen astrologicum. Pingree (Hrsg.), Dorothei Sidonii Carmen Astrologicum, Leipzig.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

anyone keen to calculate dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker,
the Moon and the Lot of Fortune
kaktuzz FREE online traditional software
is at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

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I just recently downloaded Morinus software and it gave me some inspiration

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calculator has features such as: 7 main planets; Terms; Lot of Fortune; Lot of Spirit; Whole sign houses; Firdaria periods calculator; Dodecatemoria calculator; Prenatal syzygy chart...
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Re: Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part IV - Nativities

Re: Appearance
and dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker
Moon
and
Lot of Fortune

I have two software programs I use frequently
PORPHYRIUS MAGUS and DELPHIC ORACLE

so
I compared a natal chart using those
and also with Kaktuzz FREE online calculator at

RESULTS

Using DELPHIC ORACLE ALDEBARAN 15 http://www.astrology-x-files.com/del...-download.html
Moon and Hourmarker both are in feminine signs
Lot of Fortune is in masculine sign


Using PORPHYRIUS MAGUS BABYLONIAN ZODIAC http://www.babylonianastrology.com/i...hk=1&Itemid=52
Moon and Hourmarker are both in masculine signs
Lot of Fortune is in feminine sign

kaktuzz FREE online calculator https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology
agrees with PORPHYRIUS MAGUS regarding Moon in masculine sign
but displays a much earlier degree than PORPHYRIUS MAGUS calculation

kaktuzz FREE online calculator agrees with DELPHIC ORACLE
regarding Lot of Fortune in masculine sign
but displays a much earlier degree than DELPHIC ORACLE


kaktuzz FREE online calculator agrees with DELPHIC ORACLE
re Hourmarker being in feminine sign
just an earlier degree


I'm assuming time of birth requires adjustment
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Interesting sampling of eminent/famous nativities

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I researched a stratified sampling of the most recent nativities of U.S. and then French Presidents with accurate AA data.

1. Donald Trump
2. Barrack Obama
3. George W. Bush
4. Jimmy Carter
5. Gerald Ford
6. Richard Nixon
7. Franklin D. Roosevelt
8. George Washington
9. Emmanuel Macron
10. François Hollande
11. Nicholas Sarkozy
12. Jacques Chirac
13. François Mitterrand
14. Valéry Giscard d'Estaing
15. Georges Pompidou

I compared this with 15 random common nativities. I measured 20 total variables considered for each group, I rated each as value 1 (absent) or 2 (present).

1 - ascending Sun
2 - operative Sun
3 - ascending Moon
4 - operative Moon
5 - operative trigon houserulers of Sun by day and Moon by night
6 - ascending Lot of Fortune
7 - operative Lot of Fortune
8 - operative houseruler of the Lot of Fortune
9 - ascending Lot of Daimon
10 - operative Lot of Daimon
11 - ascending preceding New or Full Moon
12 - operative preceding New or Full Moon
13 - operative houseruler of preceding New or Full Moon
14 - ascending Master of the Nativity
15 - operative Master of the Nativity
16 - ascending Jupiter
17 - ascending Venus
18 - ascending Mercury
19 - ascending houseruler of rising image
20 - ascending houseruler of culminating image

Important to mention is that all variables were computed using the Babylonian zodiac and the so-called whole sign system, the Master of the Nativity was always picked with the term ruler of the Predominator, and this point was always decided in the following way, Sun by day and Moon by night, but if one happened to be pre-ascending, the other Light was chosen, and if both were inoperative, the Hour-Marker was considered. Lot of Fortune was reversed by night, the terms and the operative scheme were used in accordance with the Egyptians.

If one is confused by the word ascending, it means angular. Operative is angular or succedent (post-ascending). Inoperative is cadent (pre-ascending).

I researched various correlations with particular variables and a computed variable that takes into account all 20 aforementioned considerations or individually. I did not find statistically significant correlation with eminence (the eminence factor for distinguished nativities was 2, and for common was 1).

I wasted my time with this bs, but at least SPSS made descriptive table for the presidents:


12 out of 15 nativities have operative Lot of Fortune or Master of the Nativity (10 out of 15 by chance). 7 out 15 nativities have angular houseruler of the Ascendant (5 out 15 by chance) 13 out of 15 nativities have operative domicile ruler of the syzygy (10 out of 15 by chance). The rest do not indicate anything in particular, but the angular Sun is quite absent.

Trump scores 1.70, Obama and Mitterrand 1.75. The rest scored quite low on these considerations for whatever reason, the least was by Hollande - 1.20. Of course I could have added other factors like royal, servile, aspects, doryphory, fixed stars etc, but it is **** disappointing when your brother scores better on angularity of luminaries. I also had to think of a better scale for triplicity rulers, since some of the nativities had 2 angular and 1 cadent ruler noted as 1.

If you are wondering about the chance by coin of the total factor, it is actually around 1.48 (slightly less than 1.50). This means you might as well toss a coin and get the same result compared to these considerations at least exclusively and based on this sample.
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So, wouldn't you add other factors to your model to find the right "eminence" astrological signature?

I'll take note of your list of what to take into consideration when looking for eminence in a nativity. Thanks for sharing!
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Of course I would, I am not dumb to distrust statistics. I have already other explanations as backup - for example having the Ascendant, Sun or Moon with a royal image (Leo, Sagittarius and Aries). Having the Lights and the rulers of action (Mars, Venus or Mercury) aspected by benefics etc. Astrology is a very complicated thing.

But I also plan to further research the Lot of Fortune and the Master of the Nativity by themselves. Even looking at the above small sample, it seems these hold great powers by themselves, which is consistent with the Egyptian tradition, which places them as the two most important points.
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What about the Victory Lot? Well, I find Al Biruni's compilation of lots very precise. At least in sports astrology, Part of Victory and Nemesis/Sudden Luck play a big role as well as the lots you mention.
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Generally I try to keep it more simple with the Lots and I have not tried many of them. I have no opinion on them. Besides Fortune and Daimon, I use a crisis-producing Lot (Accusation) to show diseases, quarrels and downfalls, measured from malefic to malefic. I also use five lots for relatives - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121676

I also used to entertain the Lots of Exaltation and Foundation, but some charts have made me question their purpose, besides many of these indications can be shown by other planets and places.
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Peto, this looks significant enough that it should have its own dedicated thread. Couple comments and questions.
I was going to, if I had found at least something more considerable, like 14/15 results.

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One question for clarification: You said “Operative is angular or succedent (post-ascending)”. Do you mean Operative is succedent? Since Ascending here already means angular?




Operative (chrematistikos) in the Hellenistic tradition referred to both the angular and succedent places. In the sample, this would basically mean I gave two points for an angular Light, 1 for succedent and 0 for cadent. This is generally how it is treated traditionally, although there is some slight ambiguity to how operative are the succedents compared to the angles, whether it is a 50% strength, something like 66% or the like. Generally though, they are treated as operative along with the angles, while the cadents are noted as completely useless. So it may have been just a two-grade consideration, and it actually sometimes feels that way.

Note that the operative places according to some authors are different. These authors think that the 2nd and 8th place are worse than the 9th because of no aspect, but I disagree.

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Lastly, you said the Master of the Nativity holds great powers in the Egyptian tradition. Could you recommend some sources so I can look into this? Thank you.
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Petosiris seems to have defined the place perfectly, even though he spoke in mystic riddles: “The beginning, the end, the controller, and the measurement standard of the whole is the houseruling star of each nativity: it makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of basis his livelihood will have, what his character will be, what sort of body <=health and appearance> he will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor rank, will come to anyone.”
Valens later disagrees, saying ''But, how is it possible for a nativity to succeed in everything or, on the other hand, to fail in everything, depending just on the houserulership of just one star?'' - Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf - page 54

Valens quotes Nechepso and Petosiris frequently, in two places they referred to the Lot of Fortune as place (the Lots were associated with whole signs/houses) from which ''the whole can be seen'' - ruling place, powerful and controlling.

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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part IV - Nativities

1. On the Length of Life
In all nativities, the Lightbringer is Predominator if it is operative.
If it is not, the other Light is Predominator if it is operative.
If both Lights are inoperative, the Hour-Marker is Predominator.

As soon as you determine the Releaser, look at the degrees and rays of the killing stars and from the rising times find the evident length of life. The killing degrees and rays are the presence, tetragon and diameter of Saturn, Mars, Sun and Moon. If Jupiter and Venus intervene with their presence and rays in proximity to the killing degrees, they repudiate the previous testimony. And Mercury neither destroys nor intervenes with its presence and rays.

For short-lived nativities, the nearest bound, degree or ray of a bad star will indicate the length of life. For long-lived nativities, one must carefully examine the bounds of bad and inoperative stars following the 90th degree, and the greater recurrence years of the Master of the Nativity. Release the Predominator through the bounds, giving the year for every ascensional degree. Examine the bound rulers, whether benefic or malefic, and whether favorably placed or unfavorably placed.

Investigate the presence and rays of the stars. The good and operative stars are indicative of good health and elevation, while the bad and inoperative stars are indicative of infirmities, accusations and eventually the end of life, which is revealed by the vitality and eminence of the nativity. The vital sector derived from the rising times forecasts the limit of the entire length of life. Then if it allots the living times, it also seems to control the auspicious and inauspicious times.
Excuse me, petosiris.

Could you please demonstrating about this particular symbols?

The lightbringer and dodekatemoria already understood but pharse like "tetragon, killing degree, the releaser, and killing planets" are very off in understanding for the people who newly entering/studying Hellenistic Astrology.

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Re: Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part IV - Nativities

tetragon - square/quartile
releaser - prorogator/''hyleg''
killing degree - is where you die
killing planet - is what kills you
also known as anaereta and destructive place

I am currently experimenting with another technique than the one given above, and it does not include houseruler/alcocoden.
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9. On Travel
Sun and Moon pre-ascending cause travel. Fortune pre-ascending causes travel. Mars with the IX and the IV causes travel. Moon with the VII causes travel. Mars diametrical from the Sun and the Moon cause travel. Cancer and Pisces cause travel. Nativities which have many placements with the corresponding countries will naturally be inclined to live there and have successful trade with those nations, if the houseruler of the VII is benefic with the same direction from the nativity.

If Jupiter and Venus are the rulers of the places which govern travel, and of the Sun and Moon, they make the journeys not only safe, but also pleasant, for the subjects will be sent on their way either by the leaders of the country or by the resources of their friends, and favorable conditions of the weather and abundance of supplies will also aid them. If Mercury is present, profits, gains, gifts and honours result from this good fortune.

If Saturn and Mars control the Lights and IX, however, and particularly if they are diametrical to each other, they will make the results useless and involve the subjects in great dangers, through unfortunate voyages and shipwrecks with watery images, through hard going and desert places with solid images, through falling from heights and assaults from winds with changeable images, through piracy, plots and robbery with human images, through attacks of beasts and earthquakes with terrestrial images, and if Mercury is also present with Saturn and Mars, through the weather, dangerous accusations, bites of reptiles and other poisonous creatures.

When the IX and the houseruler are favorably placed, the person will benefit from foreign places and foreigners. And if the houseruler of the IV is better placed, the person will not travel much, proportionate to the indications of travel. The direction of travel is indicated by the Sun and the Moon, and by the placements of the chronocrators during indicated travel.

I - East
II - Northeast
III - North-Northeast
IV - North
V - North-Northwest
VI - Northwest
VII - West
VIII - Southwest
IX - South-Southwest
X - South
XI - South-Southeast
XII - Southeast
Excuse me, Master petosiris. I hope you don't mind if I, your despicable disciple, wish to ask you some elementary questions about the direction in a map. I'm sorry if this is little bit off topic to your masterpiece thread but it has some corellations to my questions. I understand that the angles are the direction in a map. My understanding are as follow:
  1. ASC = East
  2. DC = West
  3. MC = South
  4. IC = North

Now, please take a look a this map:



I wish to pointing it out that IC and MC are not in the 4th house & 10th house. It's in the 3rd house and 9th house respectively. So, my question is :
  1. How to make judgement pertaining to hierarchical house division? Are we going to judge that Leo is in the 3rd house or 4th house? Leo is strangely in the south/IC, unusual to me who lived in equator my entire life.
  2. How to make judgement pertaining to angularity of the stars when we have these kind of situations? Could you please explain it to us?

Thank you very much in advance way.

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The Ascendant and Descendant do not show exact east and west direction, though the quadrant MC and IC do show exact south and north direction. The reason quadrant users employ both, is that the planets rise above the horizon and culminate at the MC, which is noon with the Sun (even though the Sun is not the highest point relative to the ecliptic, which is shown by the equal house MC/nonagesimal).

In my approach you quote, I was using symbolic directions on top of whole signs, which are an approximation of the reality.

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How to make judgement pertaining to hierarchical house division? Are we going to judge that Leo is in the 3rd house or 4th house? Leo is strangely in the south/IC, unusual to me who lived in equator my entire life.
How to make judgement pertaining to angularity of the stars when we have these kind of situations? Could you please explain it to us?
Until recently I was using whole signs and the equal house MC. However, I've since abandoned house superstition and sorcery, while using Placidus (modified with 20 minutes offset) for angularity. I describe the ranking of power in the other thread, following Ptolemy, the lover of truth.

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''Take the pre-ascending, ascending and post-ascending places, 5° pre-ascending the Hour-Marker and 25° post-ascending, proportionally to the method of hourly trisections, likewise the places of the Midheaven, Setting, Anti-Midheaven, pre-ascensions and post-ascensions... Twelfth-parts increase or decrease their power for the Midheaven, Hour-Marker, post-ascension of Midheaven and post-ascension of Hour-Marker are powerful, the Setting, Anti-Midheaven, post-ascension of Anti-Midheaven and post-ascension of Setting are common, the pre-ascension of the Midheaven, pre-ascension of Anti-Midheaven, pre-ascension of Setting and pre-ascension of Hour-Marker are powerless, with the aforesaid order. This arrangement of power is obvious from their position relative to the angles and the horizon, and from their aspects with superior angles.'' - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...109#post959109
X - I - XI - II - most powerful
VII - IV - V - VIII - less powerful
IX - III - VI - XII - weakest
(see Tetrabiblos 1.24 and 3.3)

In this system, only the angles are capable of producing events, for example, truly the two angles on the horizon are related to the body because of the moist exhalations about the earth, so sometimes the Descendant also indicates death (when it destroys the prorogator by making it vanish). Likewise, the Midheaven (by virtue of its power and heat) indicates actions, friendships and begetting of children, and its post-ascension and the two places opposite them also are indicative of children in this order of importance. The Anti-Midheaven, since it is the coldest place, is also sometimes indicative of burial. Otherwise, they produce effects according to their placement - drying in the east, heating in the south, moistening in the west, and cooling in the north, and according to their angularity, for declines are indicative of travel, while succedents are slower to take action than angles, and so on.

But attaching wives to the VII or siblings to the III or the like have no reasonable explanation, and it would be ridiculous to think that ridiculous reasons for their fictitious placement require refutation. How much more ridiculous do their proponents look, when they examine the rulers of this and that fictitious cusp (rather than using the rulers of the two-three signs), or of that whole sign, which is only an approximation of reality? Therefore, one would do better if he rejects both cusps and sign-houses.

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The Ascendant and Descendant do not show exact east and west direction, though the quadrant MC and IC do show exact south and north direction. The reason quadrant users employ both, is that the planets rise above the horizon and culminate at the MC, which is noon with the Sun (even though the Sun is not the highest point relative to the ecliptic, which is shown by the equal house MC/nonagesimal).

In my approach you quote, I was using symbolic directions on top of whole signs, which are an approximation of the reality.

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How to make judgement pertaining to hierarchical house division? Are we going to judge that Leo is in the 3rd house or 4th house? Leo is strangely in the south/IC, unusual to me who lived in equator my entire life.
How to make judgement pertaining to angularity of the stars when we have these kind of situations? Could you please explain it to us?

Until recently I was using whole signs and the equal house MC. However, I've since abandoned house superstition and sorcery, while using Placidus (modified with 20 minutes offset) for angularity. I describe the ranking of power in the other thread, following Ptolemy, the lover of truth.

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''Take the pre-ascending, ascending and post-ascending places, 5° pre-ascending the Hour-Marker and 25° post-ascending, proportionally to the method of hourly trisections, likewise the places of the Midheaven, Setting, Anti-Midheaven, pre-ascensions and post-ascensions... Twelfth-parts increase or decrease their power for the Midheaven, Hour-Marker, post-ascension of Midheaven and post-ascension of Hour-Marker are powerful, the Setting, Anti-Midheaven, post-ascension of Anti-Midheaven and post-ascension of Setting are common, the pre-ascension of the Midheaven, pre-ascension of Anti-Midheaven, pre-ascension of Setting and pre-ascension of Hour-Marker are powerless, with the aforesaid order. This arrangement of power is obvious from their position relative to the angles and the horizon, and from their aspects with superior angles.'' - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...109#post959109

X - I - XI - II - most powerful
VII - IV - V - VIII - less powerful
IX - III - VI - XII - weakest
(see Tetrabiblos 1.24 and 3.3)

In this system, only the angles are capable of producing events, for example, truly the two angles on the horizon are related to the body because of the moist exhalations about the earth, so sometimes the Descendant also indicates death (when it destroys the prorogator by making it vanish). Likewise, the Midheaven (by virtue of its power and heat) indicates actions, friendships and begetting of children, and its post-ascension and the two places opposite them also are indicative of children in this order of importance. The Anti-Midheaven, since it is the coldest place, is also sometimes indicative of burial. Otherwise, they produce effects according to their placement - drying in the east, heating in the south, moistening in the west, and cooling in the north, and according to their angularity, for declines are indicative of travel, while succedents are slower to take action than angles, and so on.

But attaching wives to the VII or siblings to the III or the like have no reasonable explanation, and it would be ridiculous to think that ridiculous reasons for their fictitious placement require refutation. How much more ridiculous do their proponents look, when they examine the rulers of this and that fictitious cusp (rather than using the rulers of the two-three signs), or of that whole sign, which is only an approximation of reality? Therefore, one would do better if he rejects both cusps and sign-houses.
Thank you for a very interesting explanation
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