Hello JupiterAsc,
Thank you for posting this thought-provoking video and quote. The subject of government has been on my mind, but in connection with the state of the economy. I watched parts of Michael Tsarion's video and found it psychologically connected to Ford's quote.
Tsarion spoke of Freud's findings of a dual instinct in man, an instinct for life and death. I see these instincts as a person's inherent ability to make choices. The life instinct is making a choice to propagate life, where the death instinct is a choice to end it.
Ford's quote is alluding to this choice as "people deserve the government they get" because they chose it, in the democratic case that Ford espoused.
Choice is also there in the reverse case, as you mentioned with Maistre's quote, as people chose the autocratic government in place and the rule by divine right of kings.
You can see the different meanings of the people making choices as Ford focuses on choice by the people or those at the grass roots level, as he has written "people" first in his quote, and Maistre focuses on choice by royalty, statesmen, or those at the national level, as he has written "nation" first in his quote.
However, just as with the choice to live or die, the choice of governments can change from one into the other. A democratic government can become autocratic when its statesmen are already in office and wield power for political and economic gains and an autocratic government can become democratic by decree of the ruler when he or she wants to stay in power and not risk being overthrown.
This video and quote made me think of human choice and how its result is not so clear cut. It can result in change from our expectations as our inner motivations and outer environments strive to reciprocate each other, both being connected by the bridge of nature.
Hi all. Tsarion is a Gemini so maybe that's why he's analysing the issue so much in terms of duality - and 'life and death' impulses at that!... But the issue of how people are effectively manipulated psychologically, whether Freud could explain it or not, seems less important to me than the fact that they
are being manipulated and that the focus on the mechanism of it seems to me to be the province of the Propagadist Distractor. On so many levels, and then with this in mind also, political choice is an illusion, just as perhaps, conversely, morality and conscience appear to be a choice for others.
My take on it - democracy is an illusion. It's a rigged game. So no, people do not get the governments they 'deserve'. They normally get the latest in a long line of preordained puppet governments and politicians they really don't 'deserve'. In essence, what can be democratic about being governed by anybody at all? Did they personally ask me before they passed each bylaw and covenant? Am I not an integral and valuable member of a 'democratic' society by mere reason of my existence and/or any merits I may bring? There is your answer. Would I even have had any power to make real physical changes had I conceded to become a politician? Probably not, since the system itself is corrupt and beholden to darker/more covert powers and agendas than I would care to have to tackle.
The very idea of the author's misanthropic/entropic posit of whether a person/nation 'deserves' the government they get, is indicative of their own cynical presumption that, logically then, democracy as a political concept itself must be an illusion, otherwise we would get the government we actually
want, not
deserve.... (And it is not for anyone else to decide what we need or do not need, should need play any part in this).However, this would have to be dependant on honesty, which of course is anathema to the political process both in government itslelf and within the populace who conspire without understanding that they are indeed conspirators, and thus are blinded to their own true reality.
The real problem is that most people do not actually
know what they want, having been cognitively stunned and lobotomised by incessant propaganda, education and media whitewashing, so for this reason perhaps the quote is a truism, albeit a very damning one.
IMO, if people really did know what they wanted, and what they in all honesty
deserved, they would know without a shadow of a doubt, that there would be no need for government, at least not in the centralised form it is today in the non primitive nations. Instead, perhaps what would be more appropriate would be a transparent administration of public servants in the truest sense of the word, that would disseminate useful and appropriate service for people, who would be effective, valuable cogs within the greater fabric of society, not a bunch of egocentric stooges that have been bought off or threatened to get where they are by certain plutocratic and mafiosi bloodlines. But then that is the real nature of the game, the upholding and proliferation of the fiat/central banking system, in the west, at least, and/or the most fitting propaganda which will serve the ongoing agenda at the time, with a whole lot of hollywood-style theatre in between.....Thank goodness it is all coming apart at the seams now with more of us waking up ( thanks to uranus in Aries especially, and now neptune in Pisces, and I am loving pluto in capricorn). The point is, that we the people, having woken up fully, would automatically choose our own destinies and lives free of interference from the (old) system. Instead, the sole raison d'etre of the (new) system would be to serve us and our well being in our entirety. That is the proper function of any administration, never to 'govern.'.... Not in my name. Yuk - I spit on the word, lol!
