piercethevale
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It is the true Christmas Eve today.
Peace on Earth, good will to all humankind.
Peace on Earth, good will to all humankind.
Hey, 3 CE can't be the year of the birth of Yeshua HaMashiach - Loukas 3:1 and 3:23 says that he was about 30 years old in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius and Mattityahu 2 says that he was born in the time of Herodes who according to the historian Yosef died between a lunar eclipse and a Passover (Pesah). There was a total lunar eclipse in September 5 BCE, so that Messiah must have been born some time before April 4 BCE.
Since the purification of the mother according to the Law would take at least 40 days and since the magi travelled from the far east (just as Bilam first prophesied of the star of Yakov in the Torah, so did Gentile diviners first arrive to worship the Messiah in the Gospels), this makes me believe that Yeshua was born in Betlehem at some unknowable date after the spring of 5 BCE, and that he was baptized some time after the Passover of 27 CE, went to the Passover of 28 CE (Yohanan 2), 29 CE (Yohanan 6:4) and the last Passover of 30 CE, which all authors record.
I believe that there are 400 years between the edict of Koresh Messiah and the birth of an anointed, and 434 years between the edict and the death of an anointed as prophecied in Daniyel 9:26. And that there were 40 years between the death of Yeshua and the destruction of the Temple (Beit HaMikdash) and the exile as prophecied by Yona 3:4. Yes, I believe that Cyrus became king about 130 years later than the secular chronology and about 30 years earlier than the rabbinic chronology. However, even if I am wrong in this chronology, I do believe that some other chronologies are impossible.
Years and reigns of people are counted from the first day of the first month, which is the biblical new year (Genesis 7:11, 8:13). I believe that Loukas considered Tiberius as co-reigning two years before the death of Augustus as even some secular historians seem to accept from the writings of Suetonius. The Bible records multiple coregencies in its chronology. For if the author of the gospel considered his reign to start in 14, so that Yeshua was baptized in 29, and we number 3 Passovers in 30, 31 and 32, this year furnishes no acceptable day of the week for the crucifixion (Sunday, Monday or Tuesday), whatever type of lunar reckoning you would use - the conjunction or the appearance of the crescent moon.
But even if you have the correct birth of Yeshua as a man, consider also the biblical claim that he was the first creature of God the Father (Prov. 8:22, John 1, Col. 1:15, Hebr. 1:2, Rev. 3:14). That means that the luminaries and the stars were created through him on the fourth day. If this claim is true, you can't say that the luminaries and the stars have dominion over him, since his beginning precedes them.
I haven't the least of any doubts, whatsoever, that I have produced the actual natal chart.
I don't trust the "New Testament" as it is a "story" heavily influenced and edited by the Vatican and the Vatican has an agenda. Specifically as to retain a false claim of authority in the matter.
As for what is written in the Tanakh, well none of it really has anything specifically to do with the man.
Edgar Cayce said [and, please review what I've written about anything that came out of Edgar's mouth while he was in trance and from where the information He gave was coming from {r.e. "the Throne of Grace", itself} and who was actually speaking through Cayce.] that Yeshu'a/Jesus is not the Messiah, and that the Messiah will be the descent of the Holy Ghost upon all mankind... when that time comes. In fact there are at least two occasions during readings that it was revealed that it was Yeshu'a/Jesus, himself, that spoke through Edgar and He even said that he has already been back upon the earth, in the flesh, and that he's rather very disappointed in most everyone that declares themselves to be a "Christian", because none of them are doing right by him.
We all have our beliefs and if yours get you through the day, through life, then cling to them.
I've heard of August 29th (3 days past full moon) on 1 AD, 2 weeks before the new moon on Sep 11th, the day the brightest magnitude star Sirius is rising next to the sunrise. Another possible date is March 28, 28 AD, which to me is too late, but that means Jesus Christ was crucified around the year 70 AD then.
There is no historical basis for this bizarre claim. Also there is no reason to doubt the historical account of Matthew and Luke, when it is entirely historically plausible - Jesus was born a Jew with parents of the tribe of Judah and Herod was a wicked Edomite king, whose documented murders and massacres made Augustus say that it was better to be his pig than his son.
Have you ever read the entire Tanakh? How much of it have you read?
Edgar Cayce was a medium. And in the Tanakh, we are told not to listen to mediums.
You are entitled to your belief in this life.
I don't know how you came up with 70 AD for the crucifixion, when we have most books of the New Testament written before that date.
There is no historical basis for this bizarre claim. Also there is no reason to doubt the historical account of Matthew and Luke, when it is entirely historically plausible - Jesus was born a Jew with parents of the tribe of Judah and Herod was a wicked Edomite king, whose documented murders and massacres made Augustus say that it was better to be his pig than his son.
Have you ever read the entire Tanakh? How much of it have you read?
Edgar Cayce was a medium. And in the Tanakh, we are told not to listen to mediums.
You are entitled to your belief in this life.
I don't know how you came up with 70 AD for the crucifixion, when we have most books of the New Testament written before that date.
i also wonder why no mentioned is made of the likelyhood that the essenes were the house of zadok.aaron had given the control of the temple cultus to the house of zadok in the time of moses.they held this right until the maccabean revolution in 150bc when the maccabees gave the control of the temple cultus to the hasmoneans who were a secular family.herod's legitmacy was based on the fact that he married a hasmonean princess.
so the fact that the essenes folowed the temple cultus and referred to the priest in jerusalem as usurpers implies they were descended from the house of zadok.
the second book of maccabees states that after the refusal of the maccabees to return the house of zadok to their hereditary right,"they dissappeared in to the desert".also it is mentioned that the house of zadok contained both high priests and high priestess.
the settlement at qumran,and it was a settlement and not soley a monastic retreat is made apparent by the grave yard which contained graves of men and women.
by their own writtings the essenes purpose was to have the teacher of righteousness/messiah born from them/every man fulfilled his domestic duties and then a point in his life ,he dedicated hi life to bringing in the messiah.this was their conscious purpose.and as the qumran settlement began circa 150bc in the desert and the house of zadok dissappeared into the desert circa 150 bc........ why is no attention brought to this.
the qumran settlement was occupied til 5bc,i believe, when it a was damaged by a severe earthquake.it was not reoccupied until approximaetly 30 ad and continue until it was utterly leveled by the romans along with all jerusalem in 140 ad.my dates may be off a few years as i have not thought about this for some time.
so the 30 years of jesus life could be represented. and as jesus the christ/messiah/annointed one,when after his death god did not destroy the roman/oppressors,the essences returned to qumran to develope the theology that has evolved into christianity.
so these archeological facts about qumran leads me to place jesus birth in 5 bc,again the actual archeological date may be 6 bc as i am not current in my thoughts as previously mentioned.
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I didn't post that about 70 A.D., it was member CapAquaPis and He even wrote that the date is way too late.
It's obvious that you haven't read all my pertinent posts in this thread and that you don't even thoroughly read what posts that you do.
I'm not going to waste my time answering half baked questions from someone that is posting objections due to, what is seemingly, an impulsive reactionary nature.
There is a post and a number of followups in which I not only give the date for the crucifixion that perfectly corresponds to the date of birth that I've given, I also have produced a chart for that date and give a number of pieces of evidence to support it.
...another matter is that I've repeatedly written, and cited the source, that Edgar Cayce wasn't a "medium" as you have stated. He was a channel.
The Tanakh is of, by, and for those of the Hebrew faith. Every rabbi I've ever spoken or corresponded with has said that it has nothing to do with the Gentiles. It does say however not to use seers to try to predict future events, it doesn't say that they cannot, or shouldn't be use to see what is or what was , however. It does say to use the "stargazers" to know when the times are right for certain plans
I've quoted the passages, in past posts and in my book, in which all of that is written as well.
I am sorry, I fixed the quotation error in my post, shortly before yours, but too late. I am also sorry that you took my response as impulsive and reactionary, I think it is legitimate to question your assumptions with backed baked historical information.
Well the Tanakh was of course written not only for the Israelites, but also for all nations - Genesis 15:4-6, Genesis 18:18, Isaiah 11:10-16, the prophets are also full of oracles concerning the nations - Is. 13-23, Daniel 2, 7 etc. Also Deuteronomy 31:12 plainly says that the five books of Moses are to be read every seven years not only to the convert, but also to the foreigner, therefore the custom of the early synagogues was to read the Torah to Gentiles in the synagogues every Sabbath - Acts 15:21.
The rabbis simply want to shut you out of the kingdom of God - see Matthew 23:13.
jesus the christ
6 jan 6bc(-5)
midnight
bethlehem
like buddha full moon
amen
Opinions. Everyone has one.
Let's stick to degree symbolism here, that's what this forum is about. In fact, your arguments aren't based in any astrological observations at all, now are they?
My arguments are partially based on astronomy, which is part of astrology, and partially based on the historical record, which is part of reality.
For example, 35 AD is an impossible date for the crucifixion of Jesus, since the Passover Eve would occur on Monday or Tuesday, which disagrees with the four gospels that indicate a Wednesday crucifixion, Thursday High Sabbath, Friday resurrection (Saturday in our reckoning) and the discovery of the empty tomb on Sunday.
(The crucifixion of Jesus on the Passover Eve is collaborated by the Talmud and many other early witnesses, did the Vatican edit those too?)
If you want to trace events in the life of Jesus, you want to be acquainted with the various methods of calculating the biblical calendar and feasts.
Out of Edgar Cayce's mouth came the true date of birth, there can be only one date that the crucifixion occurred on based on those words.
The date of the crucifixion also complies with what Rudolf Steiner said about the day of death occurring on the 14th day after Yeshu'a's 32nd birthday.