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There's a misconception about Aquarius as an Age-sign that seems somewhat widespread: That it will be a dictatorship ruled by elite, shadowy types, and will require conformity to what they dictate. Not sure where this perception is from, but from what I've seen, Sun Aquarians are individualistic, and allow others to be the same. They also don't like forcing others to follow their agenda. "If it works for you, fine", when it comes to astrology, appears to be an Aquarian attitude. Not seeing that as a "debility".
It is ludicrous to credit the "If it works for you, fine" attitude SOLELY to "Aquarian suns"

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It is ludicrous to credit the "If it works for you, fine" attitude SOLELY to "Aquarian suns"
It's a tolerant, individualistic attitude which Aquarian Suns share with other Sun-signs. Not seeing any Essential Detriment.

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It's a tolerant, individualistic attitude
which Aquarian Sins share with other Sun-signs.
Not seeing any Essential Detriment.
thanks for agreeing that a tolerant, individualistic attitude
is indeed not confined SOLELY to any particular "sun sign"
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thanks for agreeing that a tolerant, individualistic attitude
is indeed not confined SOLELY to any particular "sun sign"
Any evidence of Essential Detriment regarding Aquarian Suns that you'd care to share?
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Any evidence of Essential Detriment regarding Aquarian Suns
that you'd care to share?
it is useful to be aware that DETRIMENT is a traditional term
and is a traditional way of classifying sign placements of planets.

A planet is said to be in DIGNITY when in the sign it rules
in contrast
A planet is said to be in DETRIMENT when in sign OPPOSING sign it rules
and
As the name implies
DETRIMENT is regarded as an unfortunate placement
A planet in DETRIMENT is traditionally regarded
as being out of harmony with the sign
consequently WEAKENED
and so
in a position of DEBILITY


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I know people probably get tired of looking at his chart, but I think Adolf Hitler's chart is a good study of dignity, debility, and mitigation!


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Using the tropical zodiac he has both Mars and Saturn in detriment. However both do very different things in his chart because of mitigating factors, as JupiterAsc mentioned. Ibn Ezra compares detriment to being antagonistic toward oneself. I use the word self destructive or even self hatred.

Mars is the worse off of the two, out of sect and above the Earth, signifying corruption. He's conjunct his ruler and the Asc ruler, Venus, representing Hitler himself. He's in the 8th place, which isn't exactly helpful. It's pretty easy to see how this could be interpreted as self destructive or corrupt tendencies that endanger the native's body and health.

Saturn is in detriment too, but he's of the sect in favor, in a masculine sign, and in his own bound. Saturn might pose some resistance, but I'd say he'd be helpful despite. I interpret this as some degree of difficulty, but success regardless.

Mars square Saturn is the big thing though. Whatever Saturn was trying to do, Mars utterly ruins. The self destructive danger brings Saturn down. Both planets are in detriment, but I think it's interesting that one brought Hitler up to some extent, but the other was potentially indicative of his downfall and eventual death at his own hands.

It's interesting how two planets in detriment can go in two different directions due to mitigation, especially sect.

the above delineation addresses a well known example of DETRIMENT
however
obviously every chart is individual

and therefore requires individual delineation
in order to highlight the different ways a planet in DETRIMENT
may cause issues for the individual in question

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So, Aquarian Suns are weak and antagonistic towards themselves according to Ibn Ezra? Just because the Sun is in the Sign opposite its Domicle? Interesting theory! Haven't seen any evidence of it myself.
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Anything on the effects of Essential Detriment on Aquarius Suns from Robert Zoller?
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So, Aquarian Suns are weak and antagonistic towards themselves
according to Ibn Ezra?
Just because the Sun is in the Sign opposite its Domicle?
Interesting theory!
Haven't seen any evidence of it myself.
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Anything on the effects of Essential Detriment on Aquarius Suns from Robert Zoller?
presumably you have read Robert Zoller in depth and not found any
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The native does not see his astrological affliction as an affliction.

I suppose he/she is too close.

I have Sun, Mars,Jupiter and Neptune all in exile, and
they all seem normal to me.
It's all I've ever known.
keep in mind that the OP is NOT "a Tropical Aquarius"
here's the evidence
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Hi! My Community name is David Starling.

My Sun is at 28 degrees Pisces,

Ascendant, Mercury and "the red planet" all solidly in Pisces;
Moon and Venus in Aquarius; Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Leo,
Uranus in Gemini, Neptune in Libra
and Pluto in Leo.
I am very happy to have found this website!
however clearly IF the OP is considering the option of their SIDEREAL planetary placements
then
their interest may be with regard to a SIDEREAL AQUARIUS sun
EXCEPT THAT a sun at 28 degress PISCES
is a PISCES Sun IRRESPECTIVE of SIDEREAL or TROPICAL considerations
in any event
the OP has made it clear
this thread explores TROPICAL AQUARIUS
and NOT sidereal Aquarius

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Since 1967. I'm a Tropicalist,
although I respect Sideralism
--different angle of view of the same thing.
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keep in mind that the OP is NOT "a Tropical Aquarius"
here's the evidence

however clearly IF the OP is considering the option of their SIDEREAL planetary placements
then
their interest may be with regard to a SIDEREAL AQUARIUS sun
EXCEPT THAT a sun at 28 degress PISCES
is a PISCES Sun IRRESPECTIVE of SIDEREAL or TROPICAL considerations
in any event
the OP has made it clear
this thread explores TROPICAL AQUARIUS
and NOT sidereal Aquarius
Whether or not I'm a sidereal Sun Aquarius depends on the ayanamsa. There are many who believe the sidereal Aquarian Age has already begun. In which case the first point of tropical Aries has already crossed over into sidereal Aquarius, and that would make me a late Sun Aquarius in a sidereal Chart.

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Whether or not I'm a sidereal Sun Aquarius depends on the ayanamsa.


There are many who believe the sidereal Aquarian Age has already begun. In which case the first point of tropical Aries has already crossed over into sidereal Aquarius, and that would make me an late Sun Aquarius in a sidereal Chart.
Sun in Essential Detriment in TROPICAL Aquarius is thread title topic
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Not seeing it, myself. But, with my Moon and Venus in Aquarius, maybe I'm inclined to overlook the expected affliction. Any Aquarian Suns have some insight on the matter?
Hi david starling,

I'm not seeing it either. I believe the Greeks misinterpreted the information they go from Mesopotamian astrologers.

Teucer of Babylon and those before him did not recognize detriment. A planet was either dignified in its own sign, or it wasn't. A planet could be exalted, and in fall in the sign opposite exaltation, but Sun in Aquarius is no different than Sun in Gemini or Scorpio.

I'm fairly certain the Greeks were confused and thought that if a planet is harmed being in the sign opposite its exaltation, then it must be harmed being in the sign opposite its dignity, but there's no evidence of that.

Can someone show me how Carole King was harmed?




She's 75 and still writing songs, still performing in public and on TV and not in the poor-house.

I'm not seeing how her life is a Greek tragedy.

It's true Sun is applying square H8 Taurus Saturn who receives Sun, but I have few hundred Aquarian Sun charts and not seeing where Sun is diminished in any way.
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Hi david starling,

I'm not seeing it either. I believe the Greeks misinterpreted the information they go from Mesopotamian astrologers.

Teucer of Babylon and those before him did not recognize detriment. A planet was either dignified in its own sign, or it wasn't. A planet could be exalted, and in fall in the sign opposite exaltation, but Sun in Aquarius is no different than Sun in Gemini or Scorpio.

I'm fairly certain the Greeks were confused and thought that if a planet is harmed being in the sign opposite its exaltation, then it must be harmed being in the sign opposite its dignity, but there's no evidence of that.

Can someone show me how Carole King was harmed?




She's 75 and still writing songs, still performing in public and on TV and not in the poor-house.

I'm not seeing how her life is a Greek tragedy.

It's true Sun is applying square H8 Taurus Saturn who receives Sun, but I have few hundred Aquarian Sun charts and not seeing where Sun is diminished in any way.
Not sure if you use the concept of Cazimi, but her Mercury is definitely in that category. I suppose someone who favors the concept of Essential Detriment could say that the Sun/Mercury conjunction lessened the debility.
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Not sure if you use the concept of Cazimi, but her Mercury is definitely in that category. I suppose someone who favors the concept of Essential Detriment could say that the Sun/Mercury conjunction lessened the debility.
Hi david starling,

Cazimi is an Arabic thing. Rhetorius doesn't use it and neither do early astrologers. For them, a planet is either under Sun's rays or not. If a planet is conjunct Sun, that's joining.

For Cazimi, it's Sun who strengthens the planet, not the planet strengthening Sun.

I simply could not find anyone with an Aquarian Sun who suffered or was a criminal. The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa (a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared) and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

For Sharon Tate, it's not the Aquarian Sun. It's Aquarian Sun in H8 applying trine to retrograde H12 Saturn, Sun inconjunct Ascendant with Sun/Moon inconjunct, and Dragon's Tail and LOF in H8 make things worse. Chart Ruler Venus is in H8 inconjunct Ascendant and Moon and VOC. All that spells disaster.

For Jimmy Hoffa, it's not Aquarian Sun, it's Aquarian Sun in applying square to H4 Moon/Saturn conjunction. Same with Chart Ruler Mercury, who can't see H8. Capricorn Jupiter in H12 is no help. The other benefic Venus is no help, and H12 Capricorn Mars trine Moon/Saturn conjunction is destructive.


If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment, you'd expect to see more criminals, more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people, but you see exactly the opposite. Notable people with productive lives.








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If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment, you'd expect to see more criminals, more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people, but you see exactly the opposite. Notable people with productive lives.
Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Susan B. Anthony, and Thomas Edison. These people did not work in isolation but they were innovative trail-blazers.
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Hi david starling,

Cazimi is an Arabic thing. Rhetorius doesn't use it and neither do early astrologers. For them, a planet is either under Sun's rays or not. If a planet is conjunct Sun, that's joining.
For Cazimi, it's Sun who strengthens the planet, not the planet strengthening Sun.

I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

For Sharon Tate, it's not the Aquarian Sun. It's Aquarian Sun in H8 applying trine to retrograde H12 Saturn, Sun inconjunct Ascendant with Sun/Moon inconjunct, and Dragon's Tail and LOF in H8 make things worse. Chart Ruler Venus is in H8 inconjunct Ascendant and Moon and VOC. All that spells disaster.

For Jimmy Hoffa, it's not Aquarian Sun, it's Aquarian Sun in applying square to H4 Moon/Saturn conjunction. Same with Chart Ruler Mercury, who can't see H8. Capricorn Jupiter in H12 is no help. The other benefic Venus is no help, and H12 Capricorn Mars trine Moon/Saturn conjunction is destructive.

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
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Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin,
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart,
Susan B. Anthony, and Thomas Edison.
These people did not work in isolation but they were innovative trail-blazers.
Hi AJ interesting that you could not find any "criminals and infamous people"
keep in mind that Aquarian serial killers include
ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS SERIAL KILLERS IN THE UNITED STATES
WITH A KILL COUNT THAT IS SAID TO BE THE COUNTRY'S HIGHEST
Gary Ridgway
Born 18 February 1949

also

Lee Boyd Malvo
Born 18 February 1985

David Birnie
Born 16 February 1951

Joel Rifkin
Born 20 January 1959
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Sharon Tate's chart ruler is Moon, not Venus.
Hi wan,

I use the original method to determine Chart Ruler. The planet ruling the next sign Moon will enter is the Chart Ruler. In Sharon's chart, Virgo Moon will next enter Libra making Venus Chart Ruler. In Jimmy's chart, Taurus Moon next enters Gemini making Mercury Chart Ruler.

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Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Susan B. Anthony, and Thomas Edison. These people did not work in isolation but they were innovative trail-blazers.
Hi waybread,

I agree. Lincoln was murdered and Mozart died early due to illness, but the Aquarian Sun is not responsible for that.

Lincoln has H12 Capricorn Moon inconjunct Sun. The luminaries inconjunct is very common in the charts of people who die violent deaths. It's not the only factor, but it is an important one. You see the same with Hoffa and Tate.

Assuming Mozart's birth data is accurate, his H6 Aquarian Sun isn't the issue. The issue would be H11 retrograde Capricorn Mars ruling H8 inconjunct both luminaries.

For a long healthy life, it really helps to have H8 ruler in sign aspect with one or both luminaries. The aspect doesn't matter, so long as they can "see" each other.

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Hi AJ interesting that you could not find any "criminals and infamous people"
keep in mind that Aquarian serial killers include
ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS SERIAL KILLERS IN THE UNITED STATES
WITH A KILL COUNT THAT IS SAID TO BE THE COUNTRY'S HIGHEST
Gary Ridgway
Born 18 February 1949

also

Lee Boyd Malvo
Born 18 February 1985

David Birnie
Born 16 February 1951

Joel Rifkin
Born 20 January 1959

Hi JUPITERASC,

That's 3 out of 3,000.

I'll see your 3 and negate your 3 with Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer and Peter Sutcliffe.
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Hi JUPITERASC,

That's 3 out of 3,000.

I'll see your 3 and negate your 3 with Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer and Peter Sutcliffe.

Hi AJ

since you have raised the issue, consider Luis Garavito
Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos paedophile AQUARIUS born 25 January 1957
is 7th of seven children Garavito was raised as a oldest child and had six brothers.
His father abused alcohol and/or drugs.
Garavito never married had no children
and is a Colombian serial killer child-murderer, torture-killer and rapist
known as La Bestia aka The Beast
who targeted boys between the ages of 6 to 16
and confessed to killing 147 children over a five-year period in Colombia
-was active for 8 years between 1992-1999
He is suspected of murdering over 300 victims, mostly street children.
Luis Garavito was sentenced to 1853 years and 9 days in jail.
In 1992 Age 34/35 Luis Garavito started his killing spree
during his crimes as a serial killer he was known to commit acts of necrophilia, torture, rape, and murder his victims.
At least one victim was tied, bound, or otherwise restrained during the crime.
At the time of his crimes he was living with a girlfriend and a small child of the girlfriend
He was arrested on April 22nd 1999 Age 42
convicted on May 27th 2000 Age 43
sentenced to 1853 years and nine days imprisonment, reduced to twenty-two years at a Colombian prison
the exact location is unavailable to the public.
Garavito was convicted on charges of murder and other possible charges during his lifetime.
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Hi JUPITERASC,
That's 3 out of 3,000.

I'll see your 3
and negate your 3 with Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer
and Peter Sutcliffe.

Hi AJ - to continue

Daniel Camargo Barbosa AQUARIUS born 22 January 1930 a single hetero-sexual Colombian serial killer
known as The Sadist of Chanquito and Manuel Bulgarin Solis.
Camargo was a child-murderer, believed to have raped and killed over one hundred and fifty victims.
He is believed to have been motivated to kill from his stepmother abusing him as a child.
He strangled young girls in Colombia and confessed to killing seventy-two victims
and was active for 13 years between 1974-1986
Prior to his spree he had served time in prison.
He escaped from prison and started killing in Ecuador, rearrested in 1989.
In 1974 Age 43/44 Daniel Camargo started his killing spree
- as a serial killer he was known to rob, strangle, rape, mutilate, and murder his victims.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime.
He was arrested on 3 May 1974 Age 44
convicted on 24 December 1977 Age 47
sentenced to twenty-five years plus sixteen years in prison at Gorgona prison
Colombian Alcatraz on a Colombian island in the Pacific Ocean.
He was convicted on charges of murder and other possible charges during his lifetime
and died on 13 November 1994 Age 64, cause of death: homicide
murdered in prison by Geovanny Noguera a nephew of one of his victims
at Garcia Moreno prison in Quito, Ecuador.
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Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Susan B. Anthony
and Thomas Edison.
These people did not work in isolation
but they were innovative trail-blazers.
Hi WB

Tiago Gomes da Rocha - Tiago Henrique Gomes da Rocha was a Brazilian security guard
an AQUARIUS serial killer known as the Goiania Serial Killer
born 4 February 1988 Goiânia, Brazil he was raised by his grandparents
and abused at some point of his life
- heterosexual, never married, had no children
and was active for 4 years in Brazil between 2011-2014
Rocha confessed to the murders of thirty-nine people.

He approached his victims on a motorbike and shouted "robbery" before shooting them.
However, Rocha never took anything from his victims.
He targeted homeless people, women and homosexuals in Goiás, Brazil.
While confessing to the murders he claimed his cravings to kill started
when he was sexually abused as a child and the urge only got more intense
when women romantically rejected him as he grew older.
Tiago Gomes da Rocha started his killing spree 2011 Age 22/23
- as a serial killer he was known to strangle his victims and used a weapon
was in possession of a firearm during his crimes
. He was living alone in Goiania, Brazil
He was arrested on 14 October 2014 Age 26
convicted 18 May 2016 Age 28
was convicted of eleven murders and sentenced to life imprisonment, 343 years and 10 months
at a prison in Goiânia, state of Goiás, Brazil
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So, Aquarian Suns are weak


and antagonistic towards themselves according to Ibn Ezra?
Just because the Sun is in the Sign opposite its Domicle?
Interesting theory!

Haven't seen any evidence of it myself.
Jeffrey Edward Epstein AQUARIUS SUN born 20 January 1953
died under mysterious circumstances 10 August 2019
was an American convicted sex offender
and financier, best known for his alleged sex trafficking of minors
and close connections with many of the world's elite.
Until his conviction for sex crimes in 2008, Epstein was a well connected multimillionaire
who moved among the financial, political, and cultural elite.
In 2005, the Palm Beach police in Florida began investigating Epstein
after a parent complained that he molested her 14-year-old daughter.
Epstein eventually pleaded guilty and was convicted in a Florida state court in 2008
of soliciting a prostitute and of procuring an under-18 girl for prostitution.
He served 13 months in custody with work release, as part of a plea deal
where federal officials had identified 36 girls as young as 14 years old who had been molested.
Epstein had additionally faced allegations from numerous individuals
of holding women in sexual slavery — including those underage.
Epstein was arrested again on 6 July 2019, on federal charges for sex trafficking
of minors in Florida and New York.
He died 10 August 2019 allegedly hanging himself in his Manhattan prison cell.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/30/billi...says-11012530/
Three weeks before, Epstein had been found unconscious in his jail cell
with injuries to his neck complaining of having been attacked
and was placed on suicide watch, but was later inexplicably removed from the watch.
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Hi AJ - to continue
Hi JUPITERASC,

None of that is relevant, since statistically at least some infamous people will have an Aquarian Sun. However, the Aquarian Sun is not responsible for their behavior, since that is determined by Moon/Mercury and to some extent the Ascendant and H7.

If H7 indicates hostility toward others, then it doesn't matter what kind of Sun they have.

A domiciled planet is comfortable, but uncomfortable in other signs, except fall and exaltation.

You treat Sun in Aquarius the same way you treat Sun in Gemini, Pisces, Taurus, Capricorn or Cancer or any other sign except fall and exaltation.

Detriment was not part of the original program. That's a mistake by the Greeks who thought that if a planet is in fall opposite its exaltation, then it must be in detriment if opposite its domicile.

While that might seem logical, it is not, and that is not how ancient astrologers did it.
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Hi JUPITERASC,
None of that is relevant, since statistically at least some infamous people will have an Aquarian Sun. However, the Aquarian Sun is not responsible for their behavior, since that is determined by Moon/Mercury and to some extent the Ascendant and H7.
If H7 indicates hostility toward others, then it doesn't matter what kind of Sun they have.
A domiciled planet is comfortable, but uncomfortable in other signs, except fall and exaltation.
You treat Sun in Aquarius the same way you treat Sun in Gemini, Pisces, Taurus, Capricorn or Cancer or any other sign except fall and exaltation.
Detriment was not part of the original program. That's a mistake by the Greeks who thought that if a planet is in fall opposite its exaltation, then it must be in detriment if opposite its domicile.
While that might seem logical, it is not, and that is not how ancient astrologers did it.
AJ you said :
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I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
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Right, like Abraham Lincoln, Charles Darwin,
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart,
Susan B. Anthony, and Thomas Edison.
These people did not work in isolation but they were innovative trail-blazers.
and so I'm simply highlighting for readers of those comments
that in fact
infamous criminals/ne'er-do-wells who are also AQUARIUS abound
another example
Robert Christian Hansen an American serial killer known as The Butcher Baker
.born 15 February 1939 in Esterville, Iowa was active for 13 years between 1971-1983
had an IQ of 91 completed 12 years of school, received a high school diploma
married, divorced, re-married had two children.
He had bipolar disorder and kidnapped prostitutes releasing them into the Alaska wilderness
so Hansen could hunt them down like game animals.
Rape, torture and abduction were among his signatures.
In 1971 Age 31/32 Robert Christian Hansen started his killing spree
known to torture, stalk, rape, and murder his victimS
used a weapon and was in possession of a firearm during his crimes.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime
and used a blindfold or simiar method of covering the victim's eyes.
At least one victim was tied, bound, or otherwise restrained during the crime.
At the time of his crimes he was living with his second wife
and their two children.
Based on discovered remains, police suspect him of six murders
in addition to the fifteen for which he was convicted.
An aviation map with x marks, was found hidden behind Hansen's headboard.
Police later learned the x marks were locations of victims bodies.
A 2013 movie titled The Frozen Ground starring Nicolas Cage and John Cusack
depicts an Alaskan State Trooper seeking to apprehend Hansen
by partnering with a young woman, who escaped Hansen's clutches.
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I have sun in Aquarius.
I don't view it as a big debility.
Aquarians can come across as somewhat aloof
or not fully present to the other person, but on planet Aquarius
we are the normal ones.
"normal planet Aquarius people" such as the following

Very Idham Henyansyah AQUARIUS serial killer born February 1st 1978
Jombang, Jawa Timur, Indonesia received a college degree, married Eny Wijaya
had no children, was homosexual
aka the Singing Serial Killer
aka Ryan, the artistic name he adopted while awaiting his execution in prison.
Henyansyah recorded an album and wrote his autobiography while in prison.
Seven pieces of a human body found in bags hidden in two locations
near Ragunan Zoo in South Jakarta on Saturday 12 July 2008.
He was arrested 15 July 2008 Age 30
convicted on 6 April 2009 Age 31
sentenced to death by firing squad at Kesambi Penitentiary, Cirebon, Indonesia.
Henyansyah confessed to murdering 11 people including a toddler.
Henyansyah buried 10 of his victims at his parents' home in the backyard
while the last one was butchered and hidden at the zoo.
He was known to rob, mutilate his victims whom he killed at both his home
and the home of the victim.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime.
His autobiography is listed on google books
although there is no way to purchase or preview the book.
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