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Who am I ? :) Western topocentric? whole sign? Vedic - and everything changed ?!?

Hello to all forumers

I've been reading a lot in this forum for a few months now after starting my research into my astro chart. Have been looking into western, vedic/sidereal and chinese. I'm born in polar region, close to polar circle - so that is also a challenge with the house systems as quite a few of you know (I've seen many discussions on this and kind of feel like whole house system makes most sense - although some events fit also into topocentric/Polich-Page house system).

The problem is that I'm not 100% sure of birth time and also ind it quite funny how different charts fit with me in many ways

So what I'm trying to find out is using the whole house system whether I am:
1. Sun Leo, Moon Taurus, ASC Gemini
- Leo stellium, Jupiter in 7th (Sagittarius) conj.MC in 8th (Capricorn). Jupiter in T-square with Venus and Pluto ... showing a potential politician chart, someone who will deal with "other people's money" and/or a lawyer with Jupiter conj. MC.
2. Sun Leo, Moon Taurus, ASC Cancer ...have almost ruled out this chart, doesn't seem to fit life events so I hardly look at it anymore.
3. Sidereal chart Sun Cancer, Moon Aries, ASC Taurus
- Changes to Cancer stellium of Sun, Mercury, Mars and POF. Jupiter still in same relation as above, but is now in 8th house with MC in Sagittarius.

The reason I put them in this order is that I do consider chart nr. 1 to be the most right so far. Chart nr. 3 I just discovered, so haven't studied as much as chart nr. 1.

I've downloaded StarFisher program and have been playing with it to find how major events in my life fit into it... so far I've at least found that Placidus house system makes no sense at all. So I'm comparing whole house and Topocentric because I've seen some advanced astrologers preferring them and stating them much more accurate than other systems.

When I by some chance was trying out StarFisher today, I suddenly chose to look at "sidereal" chart and suddenly everything changed... then I find out why this is so and it seems like those following vedic/indian astrology find this to be a more accurate system.... BUT this changes a whole lot for most people. The sun sign changes, the moon and rising. The thing is that I read about the changed moon sign and it baffles me how so many different charts can indeed fit me. Then it must come down to events in one's life.

Then I also found people talking about this program to find accurate birth time called Polaris and I would like to ask forumers here if somebody has it if they could throw some suggestions at me?

The thing is I would so much like to be able to look at progressed chart as well as transits to see for REAL that astrology works... have been interested in it since I was a teenager, but am still finding so many different approaches that cannot all be right. So am trying to find "the right system" to use to see how my life (and people around me) evolves. Hope some of you are willing to help me on this journey as I am now in a state of CONFUSION as probably many of you know very well.

PS. What's with this obseesion of mine with astrology for a whole decade now?!?!? Usually people speak about some connection with Aquarius or Uranus strong for people obsessed with astrology. I see that in chart nr. 1 above, the progressed MC would have moved into Aquarius and I have Uranus in 5th house, but that is about it. In chart nr. 3 I see that Aquarius is actually in 10th house and also Uranus is in 5th (but it is not my vocation or how I am presented to the world).


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Hello to all forumers

I've been reading a lot in this forum for a few months now after starting my research into my astro chart. Have been looking into western, vedic/sidereal and chinese. I'm born in polar region, close to polar circle - so that is also a challenge with the house systems as quite a few of you know (I've seen many discussions on this and kind of feel like whole house system makes most sense - although some events fit also into topocentric/Polich-Page house system).

The problem is that I'm not 100% sure of birth time and also ind it quite funny how different charts fit with me in many ways

So what I'm trying to find out is using the whole house system whether I am:
1. Sun Leo, Moon Taurus, ASC Gemini
- Leo stellium, Jupiter in 7th (Sagittarius) conj.MC in 8th (Capricorn). Jupiter in T-square with Venus and Pluto ... showing a potential politician chart, someone who will deal with "other people's money" and/or a lawyer with Jupiter conj. MC.
2. Sun Leo, Moon Taurus, ASC Cancer ...have almost ruled out this chart, doesn't seem to fit life events so I hardly look at it anymore.
3. Sidereal chart Sun Cancer, Moon Aries, ASC Taurus
- Changes to Cancer stellium of Sun, Mercury, Mars and POF. Jupiter still in same relation as above, but is now in 8th house with MC in Sagittarius.

I've downloaded StarFisher program and have been playing with it to find how major events in my life fit into it... so far I've at least found that Placidus house system makes no sense at all. So I'm comparing whole house and Topocentric because I've seen some advanced astrologers preferring them and stating them much more accurate than other systems.

When I by some chance was trying out StarFisher today, I suddenly chose to look at "sidereal" chart and suddenly everything changed... then I find out why this is so and it seems like those following vedic/indian astrology find this to be a more accurate system.... BUT this changes a whole lot for most people. The sun sign changes, the moon and rising. The thing is that I read about the changed moon sign and it baffles me how so many different charts can indeed fit me. Then it must come down to events in one's life.

Then I also found people talking about this program to find accurate birth time called Polaris and I would like to ask forumers here if somebody has it if they could throw some suggestions at me?

The thing is I would so much like to be able to look at progressed chart as well as transits to see for REAL that astrology works... have been interested in it since I was a teenager, but am still finding so many different approaches that cannot all be right. So am trying to find "the right system" to use to see how my life (and people around me) evolves. Hope some of you are willing to help me on this journey as I am now in a state of CONFUSION as probably many of you know very well.

PS. What's with this obseesion of mine with astrology for a whole decade now?!?!? Usually people speak about some connection with Aquarius or Uranus strong for people obsessed with astrology. I see that in chart nr. 1 above the progressed MC would have moved into Aquarius, but that is about it. In chart nr. 3 I see that Aquarius is actually in 10th house (but it is not my vocation or how I am presented to the world).
This issue is a popular one http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...light=sidereal
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Re: Who am I ? :) Western topocentric? whole sign? Vedic - and everything changed ?!?

By the way, the differences between SIDEREAL and TROPICAL
are simply and clearly explained with illustrations by brief video EARTH'S MOTION AROUND THE SUN NOT AS SIMPLE AS I THOUGHT at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related

And another interesting discussion on the same topic is at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ead.php?t=5561
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Re: Who am I ? :) Western topocentric? whole sign? Vedic - and everything changed ?!?

Hello JupiterAsc
Thank you for pointing out this thread, but I'm no closer to "the truth" of the matter after reading the first page

Am I understanding you right, do you follow the vedic system for yourself?
Can you give me some insight into why? Please do - I am so very frustrated now after reading and reading about my chart nr. 1 for many weeks now and then suddenly "bumping into" this vedic/sidereal thing to just mess everything up in my head.

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Hello JupiterAsc
Thank you for pointing out this thread, but I'm no closer to "the truth" of the matter after reading the first page

Am I understanding you right, do you follow the vedic system for yourself?
Can you give me some insight into why? Please do - I am so very frustrated now after reading and reading about my chart nr. 1 for many weeks now and then suddenly "bumping into" this vedic/sidereal thing to just mess everything up in my head.
Hello Arena and welcome

Vedic is neither 'the right system' nor 'the wrong system'
Tropical is neither 'the right system' nor 'the wrong system'

Both are simply different techniques that are used by astrologers who have great success with each system.

Astrologers have different opinions and different methods.

By the way, it is not possible to explain the Vedic astrology system in a matter of a few moments.

Equally it is not possible to explain the Tropical system in a matter of a few moments.

So, if you are interested to research the two different systems in order to gain some insight regarding your natal chart, then
- since ours is a predominantly learning forum -
a good idea is to have two separate threads for your natal chart
one on the Vedic subforum at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=87

and another on the READ MY CHART forum at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=81

INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO ATTACH NATAL CHART TO POST ON FORUM http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=12126
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Re: Who am I ? :) Western topocentric? whole sign? Vedic - and everything changed ?!?

I have great respect for sidereal astrology-and I think it of value for certain mundane and esoteric applications: however, although I make much use of stars in practical delineations of all kinds, I myself am convinced that the Tropical (ie "Western") zodiac of SIGNS yields the most accurate delineations (indications) particularly so for natal analysis (and including predictive analysis based on natal such as transits, progressions, profections, symbolic directions and solar returns)-so, I would urge the OP to study the natal chart from the Tropical zodiacal perspective, and to go with that perspective.
This is, of course, my own opinion (for what its worth!), but it is based upon several decades of study and experimentation and experience, in the astrological field.
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Re: Who am I ? :) Western topocentric? whole sign? Vedic - and everything changed ?!?

Thank you both for your kindness in answering, I do have respect for both of your views, I've seen a lot of your posts around this forum while studying it for the last few weeks.

I will post first in the western astrological section and I hope dr.farr will be able to help me out a little bit there... then I might post in the sidereal later on to see what comes out of that and maybe JupiterAsc can help me in there

Does any of you have the Polaris program?
Is it designed only for topocentric houses, no ption to change house system?
As far as I can see in my own chart nr. 1 it really does not make sense unless using whole house system. Then it all comes together with my life story of moving, having children, meeting love and so on... although sometimes I do think there is something missing of what should be shown.

Are you guys able to guess precise birth hour if given an interval and a few important life events?
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Re: Who am I ? :) Western topocentric? whole sign? Vedic - and everything changed ?!?

Hello again to those of you who have been kind to greet me here.

I've been so involved in astrology and investigating my chart for so many years now, mostly in chinese astrology where I also find confusion because of the hour I'm born ... but just last night I got this kind of "a hunch" that I should not discard sidereal chart even though I had read about sun, mercury and mars in Cancer as that stellium would be placed there with sidereal chart and I do not identify with those descriptions of those personal planets AT ALL ...exccept maybe just a fraction of it; being very sensitive and intuitive, being able to sense other people's mood and thoughts sometimes.

And then I also found some quotes from Edgar Cayce on www.astrozeus.pro/:

"If the entity would study astrology, do not put the signs in the Egyptian calendar but in the Persian, for the Persian interpretations are more proficient than the Egyptian. This is not belittling the efforts of the entity nor of the Egyptians in those periods, but the variations in the time have been corrected by the Persians and not by the Egyptians. The Egyptians calculations are thirty degrees off."
Edgar Cayce (reading 2011-3)

Now I do have great respect for Cayce and think that he was indeed connected to something "out there" so I felt a strong sense of duty to explore this further

Anyway, I checked out my sidereal chart again and I can see that in the progressed chart the sun would move into Leo in 1986-1987 - exactly around the point in my life when I experienced a kind of "a personality shift" and it was really noticable. I can see that I could have been a bit more like Cancer sun when I was a child - although I cannot identify with it so much, but do not at all identify with it now, as I really see the Leo personality in me (although of course it also has to do with other planets and ASC) ...I am able to identify with some traits of moon in Aries though (but also with moon in Taurus: )) ... but I got the idea that maybe progressed chart will show us personality changes while transits show more on events and then sidereal becomes more sensible, or at least an option to look further into. Well, at least I try to keep my mind open instead of just exclude the possibility

Can you give me your comment on that? Progressed chart showing progressed and changed person with time? When progressed Asc changes signs and also when sun changes signs? Or would you say that it would ONLY be the progressed Asc we should look at for a shift in personality and how we appear to others? The progressed moon might be more of showing "where we are in life" by looking at the houses.

Is it true that Edgar Cayce did not work with house system at all?

And if I post my chart for discussion in vedic forum like you suggested JupiterAsc, will you promise me to discuss the chart itself and it's possibilities?

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And if I post my chart for discussion in vedic forum like you suggested JupiterAsc, will you promise me to discuss the chart itself and it's possibilities?
I did comment that IF you post your chart for discussion on BOTH Tropical AND Sidereal perspectives
THEN by comparing and contrasting responses,
it's possible more insight may be gained

HOWEVER - I advocate NEITHER Tropical NOR Sidereal in particular
and I encourage all to make their own decision on the matter

As there are excellent members who contribute regularly to Vedic forum discussions
then there is no need for promises
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Ok thanks JupiterAsc ... I will try to post it and see if anyone is interested in giving some insights.
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