All famous people have Pluto prominent

JUPITERASC

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Me:
Pluto conjunct Moon
Chiron conjunct MC
Moon in Scorpio, in Pluto's dominion
Pluto square Sun
Saturn trine Pluto (Saturn ruling my ASC Capricorn)

Am I destined for fame? Just from these aspects?
How to assess Fame

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1. First we look at the Sun, and whether it is in 10th or 11th house.

Lesser degree fame is indicated also by Sun being in 1st, 4th and 7th.

Sun in aspect to the MC brings fame.

Sun in succedent house
and especially if it is aspecting the MC can bring fame.

This is the general indicator. It doesn't necessarily means that if you have Sun in 10th, you will be famous.

Sun is analogous for Fame, so there fore we first start examining the Sun.

Sun in 5th indicates success in arts and entertainment fields.

Sun's aspects are very important. Afflicted Sun by some hard aspect with strong malefic may bring infamy.

Sun's dispositor and its relationship to the Sun is also very important. The dispositor will show the origin of the fame of the native.

The dispositor of MC and its Almuten as well the aspects to the MC,
will show for what the native will gain fame,
because MC represents the native's actions

RANK OF FAME
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49203


Keep in mind that on the same day that any famous person was born
many other obscure, unknown people were also born - and with the same planetary locations
:smile:
and so
there's more to fame delineation

 

magnolia8

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I have Pluto in the 2nd house opposite Jupiter in the 8th house. Pluto also squares my Sun and Venus in the 11th house. I forget what other aspects Pluto makes in my chart, but there are more. Where are my riches (I'm not so much interested in fame, although I wouldn't shun it)? I'm just a poor (and invisible) college student, LOL.
 
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JUPITERASC

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I have Pluto in the 2nd house opposite Jupiter in the 8th house.
Pluto also squares my Sun and Venus in the 11th house.
I forget what other aspects Pluto makes in my chart, but there are more.

Where are my riches
(I'm not so much interested in fame, although I wouldn't shun it)?
I'm just a poor (and invisible) college student, LOL
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You're in luck, since ours is an astrological learning forum
there is a guidance discussion on this popular topic
when the following similar question was asked
:smile:
It's my understanding that traditional astrology centers on physical matters
and modern with non
ie. the mind.
Having said that, I would like an understanding in traditionalist ways.

How do we delineate wealth in a horoscope?
Is it possible to find where the wealth will be made?
How about the timing or loss?

Where could I find this information?
BobZemco has not posted for some time, however gave the following useful guidance on the matter of wealth
well worth studying and researching
There are three main lines of thinking.

Ptolemy uses the Lot of Fortune, the Almuten of the Lot Fortune and any Planets that aspect the Almuten of the Lot of Fortune. The Almuten of anything is simply that Planet that has the greatest amount of Dignity at a particular point on the chart.

33°24' is the same as 3° Taurus 24'. Venus is the Sign Ruler and Term Ruler, while Moon is the Exaltation Ruler. In a Day Chart, Venus would be the Sect Triplicity Ruler, so Venus has the greatest Dignity in that point. However, in a Night Chart, Moon is the Sect Ruler of Earth Signs and so Venus and Moon would each have two dignities.

In that case, which one, Moon or Venus aspects that point? The one that does is the Almuten. If neither aspect it, or they are equally close in aspect, then take the one that is in the correct facing, and if neither are, then take the one that is closer in degrees.

Sometimes you have multiple points, like the Almuten of Marriage. That is the Planet that rules the Lot of Marriage, Venus, and the Sun for women or Moon for men. The Planet that has the greatest Dignity in those three points is the Planet that actually rules marriage in that chart, and so when you did your Profections and Solar Returns, you would be looking at the Almuten of Marriage to give you hints that marriage is possible, then you would look at Primary Directions (using the Almuten) to determine the exact date (since transits are guaranteed to fail).

Ptolemy says the quadrant the Almuten is located will tell you roughly when in life someone will gain/lose wealth, and directed the any Planet that afflicts the Almuten of Wealth will tell you when they'll lose it.

Others of the Hellenistic group, the Romans, Persians and some of the Medieval ones use the Almuten of the 2nd House cusp, Ruler 2nd House, Jupiter (the general significator of wealth), and the Lot of Wealth (aka Lot of Substance or Lot of Possessions) which is ASC + 2nd House Cusp - 2nd House Ruler.

From that point they follow Ptolemy. Really important are Planets that afflict the Almuten of Wealth and from where. For example, a square, is it ten Houses away (a Dexter square) or four Houses away (a Sinister square). Dexter aspects (Dexter sextiles, trines and squares are more powerful than Sinister sextiles, trines and squares), and also is the Planet that squares (or opposes) the Almuten Angular or elevated above the Almuten.

The Almuten will give you hints at how you acquire whatever wealth you might get, through your own labor, through inheritance, through luck, through your own wit and cunning and skill, through arts and crafts and other Venusian things and so on, through leadership and command ability (like running your own business or running someone else's business) or other Martian things and so on.

That method is much better than Ptolemy's (who had a peculiar bias against Greek Lots) and when you start looking at a lot of charts, you'll see that the Lot of Fortune has little to do with wealth, rather it is about the Native's general fortune in life and the good and bad that happens to them.

Another method that is not as complex but worth the effort is that of the later Medievals, like Bonatti and Lily.

Here, you're looking at the the area 5° before the 2nd House Cusp up to 5° before the 3rd House Cusp. You consider any Planets in the region, plus the 2nd House Ruler and the Planet that rules any intercepted Sign in the region. So if the 2nd House Cusp is 15° Taurus and the 3rd House Cusp is 22° Gemini, you'd be looking at the region between 10° Taurus in the 1st House up to 17° Gemini and you'd look at both Venus and Mercury who rule Taurus and Gemini, plus any Planets in that region.

They also want you to look at Jupiter and the Lot of Fortune and any Planets that aspect Jupiter or the Lot of Fortune.

They pay more attention to the condition of the Planets, so, for example Jupiter as the general significator of wealth should be Angular, Direct, in Dignity, preferably in Sagittarius, Pisces, or Cancer and if not then in his own Triplicity or Term, Oriental, Diurnal and not in square or opposition to Mercury, Sun, Mars or Saturn and not Combust (and that's true for any Planet).

What you don't want to see is Jupiter in Capricorn, Gemini or Virgo, or Retrograde or Peregrine, Combust, Cadent, Occidental, Nocturnal in a Day Chart or other things like that, and especially not in square or opposition to a Malefic or Accidental Malefic (like Sun or Mercury).
 

ScorpioCrow

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How to assess Fame

QUOTE

1. First we look at the Sun, and whether it is in 10th or 11th house.

Lesser degree fame is indicated also by Sun being in 1st, 4th and 7th.

Sun in aspect to the MC brings fame.

Sun in succedent house
and especially if it is aspecting the MC can bring fame.

This is the general indicator. It doesn't necessarily means that if you have Sun in 10th, you will be famous.

Sun is analogous for Fame, so there fore we first start examining the Sun.

Sun in 5th indicates success in arts and entertainment fields.

Sun's aspects are very important. Afflicted Sun by some hard aspect with strong malefic may bring infamy.

Sun's dispositor and its relationship to the Sun is also very important. The dispositor will show the origin of the fame of the native.

The dispositor of MC and its Almuten as well the aspects to the MC,
will show for what the native will gain fame,
because MC represents the native's actions


I have Moon in 10th, Pluto in 11th, MC Scorpio. Sun in Pisces - dispositor Neptune. Neptune and Sun in 1st. Sun square Moon and Pluto, so...infamy for being good-looking/sexual/secretive?
 

JUPITERASC

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I have Moon in 10th, Pluto in 11th, MC Scorpio. Sun in Pisces - dispositor Neptune.
Neptune and Sun in 1st.
Sun square Moon and Pluto,
so...infamy for being good-looking/sexual/secretive?
Not necessarily. Delineation of Fame requires study and practice.
However, keep us updated
:smile:
 

Oddity

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It is also common to have a lot of Earth signs, especially for Vesta, and at least one planetary or other important conjunction to the MC. Pluto is either closely conjunct important personal planets or points or at the apex of a talent triangle. I am totally scientific because I have only analyzed 4 cases.


Very droll.
 

Darth MI

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The problem with this notion is that it ignores what "famous" is.

Someone in famed say in the music industry will tend to have a different personality type than someone famed in the movie industry. We are not een accounting ofr subgenres such as rap or horror films.

Nevermind the fact about individual upbringing, economic levels, and genetic giftedness in talents that lead someone to become famous in the industry.

Lets be honest if Mike Tyson wasn't such a gifted boxer, he would never had chosen that as his professional avenue in the first place, Does anyone think Monroe would have been chosen as an actress without her stunning looks (not saying that she lack talents because she died too early to truly rate her egacy and so far her primary films are romantic and fanservice).

Many famous war heroes never wanted to go to wr and only did so because of being drafted. If they could avoid the draft, they would have gone onto doing other stuff with their lives rather than becoming legends of the battlefield.



This inspires me to make a thread.
 

Love2Know

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The problem with this notion is that it ignores what "famous" is.

Someone in famed say in the music industry will tend to have a different personality type than someone famed in the movie industry. We are not een accounting ofr subgenres such as rap or horror films.

Nevermind the fact about individual upbringing, economic levels, and genetic giftedness in talents that lead someone to become famous in the industry.

Lets be honest if Mike Tyson wasn't such a gifted boxer, he would never had chosen that as his professional avenue in the first place, Does anyone think Monroe would have been chosen as an actress without her stunning looks (not saying that she lack talents because she died too early to truly rate her egacy and so far her primary films are romantic and fanservice).

Many famous war heroes never wanted to go to wr and only did so because of being drafted. If they could avoid the draft, they would have gone onto doing other stuff with their lives rather than becoming legends of the battlefield.



This inspires me to make a thread.

Yeah and I would be thin if Brownies were not so delicious. I do not see your point?
 

Claire19

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It is also common to have a lot of Earth signs, especially for Vesta, and at least one planetary or other important conjunction to the MC. Pluto is either closely conjunct important personal planets or points or at the apex of a talent triangle. I am totally scientific because I have only analyzed 4 cases.

For Pluto it depends on where it is. It can be a sexually magnetic planet and have control or influence over the masses. However Earth signs do not denote necessarily denote celebrity either. There is no set template or pattern. Every celebrity or famous person will have different aspects and influences.

Strong aspects to the 10th house for public image and status. I agree the MC has also to be involved.

What is a talent triangle?

The second house denotes what we spend money on and how we earn it, what talents or skills we may posses to gain material assets, along with the 6th and 10th houses for work and career.

The 5th house denotes our creativity, our ego expression and the performing arts in general. So an actor may have this strong. If they are film actors then Neptune can come into play. Again astrology is complex and we cant make assumptions.
 

ukdesifem

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It's rules of thumb at best....

What causes fame? 10th house planets? No, not always. I'd say not absolutely or a priori, as it were.

Obama has no 10th house planets, yet he is the US President. I'm sure many sportspersons, actors, scientists, ec. in the world today don't have 10th house planets.

I think the rules of thumb (IMHO) are:

- 1st house planets
- 2nd, 6th, 10th house planets
- personal planets conjunct a major point and/or a major fixed star (.e.g. Regulus, Altair, Sirius, etc.)
- the grand conjunction (,i.e. Jupiter and Saturn)
- A well aspected Sun

I think looking at noted people in many fields, they tend to have a good career flow, with a prominent Sun, planets in the proper duads, etc. Obama's career flow stems from his Scop. MC, Pluto and then the Sun in Leo.

OK, this is waffling a bit, and I didn't answer the OP's question fully. But to clarify, no. Pluto per se doesn't lend to fame. It's the unique configuration/energies of planets and aspects that do. Obama does have a prominent Pluto in his chart/career flow, but then I'm sure there are many others in many fields who are famous and who don't. Whether Messi/Ronaldo in football, Dawkins or Hawking in science, Sir Ian McKellen and Sir Patrick Stewart in acting, or Usain Bolt in sprinting, all have these are moot.

the common phrase (by the top astrologers here lolol..) is "there are no silver bullets". which IMHO is perfectly true/valid. It all depends on how each planet and aspect interact.
 

JUPITERASC

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It's rules of thumb at best....

What causes fame? 10th house planets? No, not always. I'd say not absolutely or a priori, as it were.

Obama has no 10th house planets, yet he is the US President. I'm sure many sportspersons, actors, scientists, ec. in the world today don't have 10th house planets.

I think the rules of thumb (IMHO) are:

- 1st house planets
- 2nd, 6th, 10th house planets
- personal planets conjunct a major point and/or a major fixed star (.e.g. Regulus, Altair, Sirius, etc.)
- the grand conjunction (,i.e. Jupiter and Saturn)
- A well aspected Sun

I think looking at noted people in many fields, they tend to have a good career flow, with a prominent Sun, planets in the proper duads, etc. Obama's career flow stems from his Scop. MC, Pluto and then the Sun in Leo.

OK, this is waffling a bit, and I didn't answer the OP's question fully. But to clarify, no. Pluto per se doesn't lend to fame. It's the unique configuration/energies of planets and aspects that do. Obama does have a prominent Pluto in his chart/career flow, but then I'm sure there are many others in many fields who are famous and who don't. Whether Messi/Ronaldo in football, Dawkins or Hawking in science, Sir Ian McKellen and Sir Patrick Stewart in acting, or Usain Bolt in sprinting, all have these are moot.

the common phrase (by the top astrologers here lolol..) is "there are no silver bullets". which IMHO is perfectly true/valid. It all depends on how each planet and aspect interact.
FAME DELINEATION http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49203 :smile:
 
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