Ruler of 8 and 7 house in 7

I would like to read your opinions about them, and of course your own experiences related to them if any of you have one of this.

The thing gets better than the title, it´s like this:
Sagitarious is contained the 12 house (cusp in scorpio) and Jupiter is in the 7, conjucting the moon wich is also in the 7 and is the ruler of the 7 and 8 house (7 and 8 house in cancer).

What consecuences do you think this might have?
 

JUPITERASC

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would like to read your opinions about them, and of course your own experiences related to them if any of you have one of this.

The thing gets better than the title, it´s like this:
Sagitarious is contained the 12 house (cusp in scorpio) and Jupiter is in the 7, conjucting the moon wich is also in the 7 and is the ruler of the 7 and 8 house (7 and 8 house in cancer).

What consecuences do you think this might have?
I just read the pm you sent to me and clicked on the link
but you have not posted a chart illustrating the issue
:smile:
 
Here it is
 

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muchacho

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Try whole sign houses. That's simpler. With whole sign houses the ruler of your 7th is in the 7th and the ruler of your 8th in 6th.
 

JUPITERASC

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Try whole sign houses.

That's simpler.

With whole sign houses the ruler of your 7th is in the 7th and the ruler of your 8th in 6th.
Exactly... house location of a natal planet can change,
dependent on the house system chosen :smile:
easily verify that fact at astro.com's Extended Chart Selection Page
there, fourteen of the more popular house systems currently in use are available options
Placidus is simply the default
to view for yourself how that works in practice
simply create your natal chart using Whole Sign Houses option
then create the same natal chart but this time using the Placidus option
then compare the charts
house location of a planet is important
because
position is stronger than rulership


EXPLANATORY ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES ARTICLE http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/wholesignhouses.html


QUOTE

'...There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable.
A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries,
so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today....'


'….Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope,
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed or confused as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites were definite power points or areas of intense focus,
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.....'


past popular discussion on the topic:

WHOLE SIGNS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42163
WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39669
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
a synopsis on how to use WHOLE SIGN HOUSES system
has been provided by dr. farr
who began studying astrology aged twelve

and has since completed more than fifty years of astrological research and study
but has not posted for some time due to health issues

HOW TO USE WHOLE SIGN HOUSES as originally intended
keeping in mind that THE MEANING OF THE WORD "CUSP" HAS CHANGED OVER CENTURIES :smile:


CUSPS:

Today (and for the past thousand years or so) we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp":
it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids) and the point of a sword
-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";
now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border"
,
ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results,
among the various quadrant house systems)
But now notice this:

in whole sign
the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded!


In whole sign,
the "cusp" retained its original meaning,
not as a "border" but rather as A POINT
-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house,


viz,

the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house
-that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.

Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps
(sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp")
in the whole sign houses of this chart?

Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries

Now it is these "cusps"
(sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are
(and were)
used for progressions, timing of events, etc,
and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well
(in expert hands)

Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses
(always 0 degree
of any sign) for anything,

but it DOES use "cusps"
(points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree)
for timing
(and other)
delineative purposes.


Whole sign suddenly vanished
(both in the West and in Vedic astrology)
during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century
-this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?"
(if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)

For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better
(FOR ME)
I could care less if it were the oldest house system
(which it is)
or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:
only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above,
does it work
(producing delineations and predicitions)
better than what I have previously been doing?

Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it,
except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out,
I would say: try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...
 
Thank you both. But then, you are saying that I should not use placidus system?

Being sagitarius in 12 and jupiter in 7, I understand that things about 12 house and jupiter in 7 are related, right? What could that mean?
 
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