Do you believe in the afterlife?

Do you? If so why, if not why? Apparently, there isn't any scientific proof leading to God's existance including the afterlife so at times, it's difficult for me to believe they exist. However a large part of me does, but a small part of me doesn't. I've read numerous books on the subject of near death experiences about those who claim to have seen "the light" and such........ but "scientifically" explained...this phenomena of what is seen could just be a result of oxygen deprivation from the brain which causes these visions.. So with all that being said...I'm afraid to die because I don't know for sure, I've been very emotional lately, thinking about death alot... so any insight is truly appreciated.

Always a controversial question, I like it . My personal belief is that there is an afterlife. But I can see the opposing sides view, the atheist people who don't believe in god, in that we don't have physical proof that a higher being, or afterlife exists. Yet the atheists do not have proof that it does not exist we could go round in circles, in these types of debates. They still need to be discussed. It is these kind of questions you usually ask after going through the crisis and the emotional turmoil of the 8th house, you may have just experienced a close one die, and naturally the questions of the 9th appear, where do we go when we die, what is the meaning of life, what is the purpose for suffering, pain and loss. You work out your own philosophy of life, and this influence's the way you respond to situations in your life.

In one way believing eases the pain of the 8th, you may find comfort in knowing that the people you have lost still exist in the afterlife. There is hope and optimism that we can grow, move forward, learn from life and eventually reach the afterlife ourselves. Everyone will reach their own personal beliefs, maybe according to their own chart. I do believe their is an afterlife, we return to the source of where we have come from spiritually. The 12th house in astrology usually relates to this, return. I watched a couple of video's on this and I quite liked Einsteins quote: he believed people were only good because they feared punishment, this can be in that some people are only good to one another because they don't want the consequences. They fear going to a **** like place. In reality you should have compassion for people because you really care, not because of god or fear of ****. I also find it hard to accept so many different religions, I believe we all live under one roof . Although everyone has a right to believe what they want to.

Here are a couple of vids on both sides of the fence. I enjoy reading quotes, although some are little blurred in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZuknsnphEU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnL2mku4OCQ

P.S To moderators, I wasn't swearing but was talking about ell with a H, maybe you could re-think putting this word back into the astrology community's dictionary. Thank you . Or you can just tell me to go to **** .

Hi Miss S. Why not type it like this next time: H*E*L*L*. After all, we are talking here of Heaven and H*e*l*l* and not swearing. So it should be seen in this context. See if this is also being dottet out
cheers, Star.

Astrocurious, I always think differently. Why would they only let us live? What is the reason for giving someone just one life and that is it! does not sound logical to me.So there must be a reason for us living here.There is no purpose whatsoever to just let us live and then hoops, nothing anymore. There is a reason for everything, also for "why we are given life".

I firmly believe that we get many lives to live in order to correct our mistakes in former lives. What I find a pitty is, that we do not remember the other life. In our current life, we just have to assume that we must have been really awful in a former life, when in this life we are being treated dreadfully or fall from one calamity into the other.(being punished for things we might have done wrong in our former live).

When we have a relatively good life now, then we are on the way up as it were. In the end, when we really have cleansed ourselves from all impurities, we then can probably stay in some spiritual sphere or being send back into yet another life as spiritual teachers.

What is the difference (feeling wise) anyways between dying and NOT being reincarnated and dying and BEING reincarnated. In both cases we will not know what happened to us. When you are dead you dont remember anything anymore and when you are re-incarnated you also dont remember anymore.

There are only a few people who do have the ability (mediums) who can remember and be in touch with the spiritual world. To me this does not have to be scientifically proven. Look at the Sabian Symbols and read how they came to us. They are magnificent and "out of this world". That is proof enough to me.

You wrote that these things are not proven scientifically.
There have (and they are still doing it because I saw a programm on TV about it) been studies to prove that there is a life after death. People who died on the operating table and came back after 2 or so minutes, could tell exactly what was INSIDE some medical tool box!! They had seen it during the time they were dead. They had been brought into the operating theater already in a drowsy state, not able to look at what was there. They could tell exactly what the other people in there looked like even though they had their eyes closed from the beginning. This had nothing to do with oxigen depriviation.

Honestly, dont try to prove everything. Just find it in your heart to accept and then get rid of that fear.

Cheers, Star.

Thanks for the tip star, I shall type all my swear words like this from now on . But H*ell is not really a swear word is it. Only if you use in that context i.e to H*ell with you.

I like your thoughts on the afterlife starlink. Believing in something you can't see takes a lot of faith. Even if God suddenly showed himself/herself today, it would still be difficult for a lot of minds to comprehend, people who don't believe in god or the afterlife would think we were all suffering from a mass delusion, or there was something funny in the water. I hate not knowing the answers, or being certain of what happens when you die, I can only believe our souls live on.

p.s (although I am not sure God has a gender, although I do imagine him as a male figure for some reason)

This is right up my alley

Astrocurious said:

Do you? If so why, if not why?

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Yes, I do, no doubt in my mind! We all have a higher self, I prefer to use the word soul, but first you have to bring it out or more importantly notice it's there. There are so many signs and indictions but if you don't notice them, they slip right on by. I've found the best way to bring out your higher self is through meditiation, to recognize the point where our conscious mind and subconscious mind meet, in a way it's like being awake and asleep at the same time but not quite, it's being on a different frequency than the physical, this is when our higher self emerges in all different ways. People who are more spiritually evolved will have an easier time than people who aren't.

Astrocurious said:

Apparently, there isn't any scientific proof leading to God's existance including the afterlife so at times, it's difficult for me to believe they exist.

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That's because it's not a science, so it can't be explained scientifically...I can't spell!

Astrocurious said:

However a large part of me does, but a small part of me doesn't.

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This is key! If a large part of you does than I would have to assume you've had experiences that you consciously don't remember but subconsciously you know all too well. And because you are bringing this out in the open you're probably heading toward a spiritual awakening of some sort...that's how it starts

Astrocurious said:

I've read numerous books on the subject of near death experiences about those who claim to have seen "the light" and such........ but "scientifically" explained...this phenomena of what is seen could just be a result of oxygen deprivation from the brain which causes these visions..

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This makes no sense to me, if your brain is deprived of oxegyn, it's dead, how on earth can can we be having visions when our brains are not functioning...because they're not visions I've had an NDE(I won't get into details), I died in my sleep, alone. I knew I was dying but I couldn't wake up, I couldn't take a breath. I was brought back...I have no idea why but I was. Once you've had these experiences there's no mistaking what it is, it's something that can't be explained by science and just because something can't be explained by science doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Astrocurious said:

So with all that being said...I'm afraid to die because I don't know for sure, I've been very emotional lately, thinking about death alot... so any insight is truly appreciated.

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Death is a part of life, the soul lives on, our physical body is just a shell for our soul. We live, we die, we are reborn.

You might want to try to do a search on pre-existance, and past lives, particularly childrens past lives. There is alot of info out there, and coming from small children makes it so much more interesting and believable, there are children from all different parts of the world that tell generally the same story of how they got here and where they were before they were born. It's fascinating!

Like I said, I have a feeling this is all coming out because your ready to discover your spiritual side, once you do you won't be afraid, lol it will be a relief!

Good luck to you on your new journey!

I think a belief in god and a belief in an "afterlife" are very different things. I also think there are many, many ways to define "afterlife" (from Paradise to merging with the ether or whatever you might believe).

I, for one, believe in both. This is a faith thing, but I don't think it's completely unfounded in science.

If you think about it, everything is made of energy. Energy is never created or destroyed (Sophomore year physics is coming back to me now). Psychic energy exists and can be scientifically measured. (A great resource for that are the papers Russell Targ has written about his research at the Stanford Research Institute.) If we can measure that "higher self", we know it's there. So, where does that energy go? Must go somewhere...

I found this: http://www.victorzammit.com/
Although I do not know if it is reliable or not.

I think it is still unfounded by science, what actual physical proof can prove there is an afterlife. Although there are secret experiments that probably go on. Where is God then if not in the afterlife?

We must reincarnate, because our bodies do not live long enough to achieve what our souls set out to accomplish.

We must reincarnate, because our bodies do not live long enough to achieve what our souls set out to accomplish.

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I think a person could accomplish alot in one lifetime if they knew how.
Mabie even finish......
Inmortality goes against every rule of this universe....
the cycles here are differnet...things start, change, then stop....sort of like create, survive, die...that's the cycle of the physical body,
It is created, it grows, it peaks, then it declines and dies....thats it for the physical part....but whatever life is there goes somewere.....yet life and living are two different things...
That which is imortal never dies.......
This may have something to do with entropy, that which comes before energy.
I think a spirit has many bodies, and when it is within one it takes responsability for it, and that which isn't taken care of traps the person...sort of like unfinished bussiness..............a person acts out their past karma and unfinshed bussiness untill it is resolved. meaning done, finished, unmocked..a person does not do that stuff anymore on some type of automatic unknowing basis in a lower awareness.......
We've all been arround a very very long time.....we are just very very forgetfull.....
I read something the other day that I liked.....somewhat...
The reason nobody cares about reincarnation very much is that it is broadly considered that the past is over, and people are not up to remembering, much less confronting it. Most people are not up to confronting the present. Most people live day to day, some live week to week, some live month to month, and the rare live year to year. It is the very rare individual that is taking responsibility for their lifetime. The idea of taking responsibility for the next 400 or 400,000 years is above most people's reality level.
People don't want to recall what has happened in their previous lifetimes, so they don't, and they insist they have never lived before. They like playing innocent. Innocence is one of the most prominent dramatisations on the planet. This innocence is their third worst enemy. Drugs are their second, and self-pity is the first. If mankind is to be whisked out of existence, it will be by self-pity. Self-pity is a devastating manifestation of vanity, which is the supreme sin, if there are any, and that would depend on your reality level of sin. Your reality level of sin would depend on what you subscribe to, and what you subscribe to would depend on your postulates. Your postulates depend upon those you have stuck on you during impacts in the prior lives you are pretending you did not live. Such is the circle of self-deterioration that goes: self-pity, vanity, sin, subscription, postulates, impacts sticking postulates. These 6 in a circle, mankind has responded to with apathy - "who cares". The Tibetans by swinging prayer wheels about it hourly will not cause it to erase. All six exist, like mad, on just about anyone breathing. Period.


I hope I have made it crystal clear why people don't care about reincarnation. They cannot stand the heat of today, they claim. Actually today is effortless beauty, and all the heat they feel on today is from their past. Don't waste your time trying to explain this to anyone. Let them explain it to you as their very own discovery and truth. It will be worth something to them then. It is their own stark discovery.
In working with past lives, people get confused about how much of a being they are or were. This is called "spiritual endowment". It is not a fixed determination unless you consider it to be so by yourself.
People don't care about reincarnation because they have dropped below caring, below any degree of time, and below responsibility. They are not up to realising their past, and certainly don't want to hear about their future, because it is not that pleasant. The past and future are quite related, and especially for someone in this not-caring condition.
There have been over 100 million people in this century that have died by non-natural means. In other words, they were killed. Such impacts stick the thoughts, ideas, and feelings of that moment on them, effecting all subsequent postulates and thusly, lives. These stuck viewpoints are eraseable. Until then nobody cares, and a **** goes on, but nobody cares about that either, until you take their drugs away. Then people care a lot. This is the condition, which is not to be confused with the nature, of man. The nature of man is generally admirable.

Thank you all so much for your input. I like the idea of reincarnation, I do not like the idea of eternal paradise like what many of us vision like just flying around doing nothing all day ....hanging around...floating on a cloud or whatever......not my kind of paradise then again without an ego, it may be wonderful, hehehe. Take care all.

Nice question Astrocurious.

Interesting way of viewing this, everyone is different. My idea - we all have a different view of the world and generally agree on a few things, eg, a tree is green, has branches in the air and roots in the ground. We all think this is so, but we cannot reach a general consensus of what the 'afterlife' is or even if it is so. The tree we can touch, smell, see, maybe even taste, but the afterlife I think is on a vibrational level we are not in tune with yet.

Ego. I think the afterlife cannot be judged using ego. When we are thinking of whether we are right or wrong, we are using ego, it needs to know if its right or wrong. But afterlife there is no ego (maybe).

Afterlife, in my view, could be a change of form. We are all vibrating energy, molecules and other such things, vibrating to form our whole being, our bodies and thoughts, and energy cannot just disapear, it has to change form. So I guess we change form when our current body dies.

NR

The circle of life... Man is trapped in this circle of life... From what i know... Death concludes the lessons you learnt while alive... so life after life... people learn their mistakes.... so after many reincarnations certain people gain wisdom from the accumulations of wisdom... Many wise man claim knowing their past lives... Lessons learnt and sufferings....

Siv

I have a question shooting towards the entire infrastructure of this discussion. It is not sarcastic, but a philosophical question I suppose. In your opinion, why does it matter to you what happens after death? Isn't what happens while living more important? What particularily sparks your interest in what happens after death?

Hi, (sorry this is a little bit off topic)

Im not sure if this is an idea of my own, or if someone told me.....its been floating in my head for so long, I couldnt tell you, but I thought I would add it to the discussion.

You know how people see a light at the end of a tunnel, in NDE, you dont think that is a memory of going down the birth canal do you?

Any people who were born by caesarian delivery , who have had NDE's, here?

if someone can answer this question, I may be able to formulate more on what i think of the afterlife)

L2J hi
umm this topic is touchy, so i hope i dont offend or no one offends me lol
but its a huge topic and interesting to say the least.
.... ill just begin by saying everyone has there own thoughts and experiances so im not saying i have the answers.. but i wanted to share my thoughts on this with you.

the light at the end of the preverbial tunnel, not sure if it can be during birth as the head is comming out with eyes downwards mostly the light doesnt get to the child till its born... I have numerous of nde books that have been written by the nde,s themselves... during these nde,s things happen to them and they se things happening at the time of the nde, later when they have come to or awoken from this they can account for things that were said and have happened while the doctors thought they were dead... One even woke up in the morgue and knew the identity of the person who took him there and what the doctors were discussing as this person was prounounced dead.

the title of this "do you believe in the afterlife"
yes .. only because i have experianced death of my family that have come to me and the ones who have come to me in my dreams, they are different from normal dreams, you have to experiance them to know, like for me they are dreams where one of my relatives only my dad nan or cousin and reciently my puppa who died long ago came to me, they do not talk but i can hear there words throu thought, we move but they are visions, but the main thing i allways remember is the all so consuming love that sourounds our every being in pure white light and warmth..
. that love i think must be the love that god talks of for me anyway.. i have not been raised religious or go to church, i visioned these apperations when i was a child to of my puppa who came to me as i slept ,, my nan was in the same bed that night and the door opened a little i was so scared i hid but b4 i did i seen a outline of my puppa i could see through him, he was smiling at us, i didnt think my nan was awake.
the next day my mum came to get me as i had been staying at my nans house and i overheard my nan telling my mum she thought she had seen her husband that night... i could right a book on that house... lol
anyway for me as i was 8 at the time i remember everything and so i have a open mind because of my experiance in this.. as ive lost so many people in my life i find peace in it to some extent.

GEM DOCCAUS for me its like.. think about it in the still of the night lie in your bed and aks yourself this... when i die will i never exist for all eternity that the being you are now will cease and that is that.

but for me that thought has never been first.. i just grew up feeling and seeing certain things that i could not work out why others couldnt, but it was normal for me so they must of come from somewhere? i know im sain and dont have any visual problems, so when i think of my family i smile and know they are out there somewhere, sometimes looking over us sometimes doing there own thing over there... it makes me happy that they are somewhere even if not here on earth.