Saturn Square Sun People Posting Here
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I have this aspect too. There are many bad aspects that can be found in a horoscope but this one symbolizes oppression and limitation, which are always painful. I have spent more time thinking about this one than any other aspect and have made a list of successful people who have it in their chart (Salvador Dali is one of them, and had a particularly strong Saturn to overcome).
Of course Saturn is always Saturn and everybody has to struggle with it but when this square is combined with Saturn in the first house like in my case, I can't help but sometimes feel deprived of being able to expressing my creativity and live the way I want. I know though that this may sound a bit silly since everybody has something that bothers them and everybody feels bereft in the area of their life affected by Saturn.
Another important fact about this aspect is that it indicates a bad relationship with the father (probably more openly than any other aspect) and problems with parents are always difficult because they go back to childhood and continue to adulthood. When I see this aspect I know that the person in question had either been oppressed by his father or had no father at all.
In two great books I've read that because Saturn troubles us for a large part of our lives it can become our strong point and when in the first house it can be an indication of a powerful personality that has learned to persist and has gained his self-confidence rightfully.
Of course Saturn is always Saturn and everybody has to struggle with it but when this square is combined with Saturn in the first house like in my case, I can't help but sometimes feel deprived of being able to expressing my creativity and live the way I want. I know though that this may sound a bit silly since everybody has something that bothers them and everybody feels bereft in the area of their life affected by Saturn.
Another important fact about this aspect is that it indicates a bad relationship with the father (probably more openly than any other aspect) and problems with parents are always difficult because they go back to childhood and continue to adulthood. When I see this aspect I know that the person in question had either been oppressed by his father or had no father at all.
In two great books I've read that because Saturn troubles us for a large part of our lives it can become our strong point and when in the first house it can be an indication of a powerful personality that has learned to persist and has gained his self-confidence rightfully.
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ptolomy
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And theoretically if you spend enough time working on your saturn square sun you might eventually discover that you do have creative talents,But as the father influence was so dissapproving of your creativity and also other authority figures as in school and higher education etc it isnt going to be easy to find without a large amount of effort on your part because not many others are going to help you.
But eventually i would hope that you discover that you have creativity,But not necessarily where you expected to find it.
I think it might be worth exploring areas of your creativity that 'alledged' authority figures dissaproved of when you were young,I suspect that early blocking of these areas would have convinced you at an impressionable age that you had no talent there,when in fact you did.
But eventually i would hope that you discover that you have creativity,But not necessarily where you expected to find it.
I think it might be worth exploring areas of your creativity that 'alledged' authority figures dissaproved of when you were young,I suspect that early blocking of these areas would have convinced you at an impressionable age that you had no talent there,when in fact you did.
Yoanna77
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I have saturn square sun in my natal horoscope,and my sun is in the first house and I've always had bad or actually no relationship with my father,he has never showed me any affection,love,never approved of my personality and the way I tried to express myself.I grew up contolling my true feelings and my true personality to be accepted by my family.And now I feel I've got no identity,I don't know who I am,I struggle with depression all the time and have problems with my carrer.
It's a very limiting and painful aspect at least for me,however I'm aware that it's up to me now to overcome it,to stop being ashamed of who I really am and accept myself.
I'm no expert in astrology,can somebody give me a clue if Venus in Capricorn symbolizes loneliness??I've got it and am very lonely.
It's a very limiting and painful aspect at least for me,however I'm aware that it's up to me now to overcome it,to stop being ashamed of who I really am and accept myself.
I'm no expert in astrology,can somebody give me a clue if Venus in Capricorn symbolizes loneliness??I've got it and am very lonely.
i have sun in first house/second house cusp with wide square to saturn in the fifth, i can say my dad always showed me affection and love this has got to be one of the biggest myths out there on sun saturn aspects
i until recently was still scared of my dad, waz never any need for it
i until recently was still scared of my dad, waz never any need for it
LovelyMissAries
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It depends how your Venus is aspected, but in general Venus in Capricorn (negatively speaking, but keep in mind there is just as many positive attributes about this placement as negative ones) would probably make someone picky about their friends, slow to let people in. However, once you do allow people into your world you tend to keep them there forever - by choice, or possessiveness lol. You have the capacity to be a very devoted friend/girlfriend.
@Munch - I have Sun square Saturn, and I sort of realize my talents but still have the urge to perfect them to star quality. I recognize my ability to be talented at many things but don't consider myself a specialist in any one thing.
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byjove
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Note that many say trines can make people lazy, and the tougher aspects can motivate people better, more actively. I've Sun trine Saturn exactly, and I move far, far too slowly in life and in my own version of success, in my own opinion. But I have countless friends with Sun square Saturn who are very successful in their own respects and I learn a lot from them. Each of them have had challenging or difficult relationships with their dads but each seem to be happy, and those relationships have improved vastly. I consider myself lazy next to my Sun square Saturn friends. So chin up, friends! 
Both post are incredibly insightful. I shall get back to you in more depth tomorrow. Thank you!
That is precisely why I use tight orbs. I'd have to say that makes the difference between myth and reality.
I identify with this so very much! I feel like if it's not perfect or fully developed right out of the gate then I have no business doing it. Kinda dumb when I read this. It seems so obvious. haha.
astrologer50
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This is a curiosity thing for me. I have nothing that I'd like to show off because I don't really see myself as talented or creative. That said, how many people with this aspect ARE posting in here?
How did you get past your square enough to SHINE!?!
there IS currently quite a good thread on this aspect..
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35609&highlight=saturn+square
moonwillow
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My older sister has this aspect, and I have seen her struggles especially in her career. She has an enormous amount of talent and creativity but never acknowledged it, always would bring herself down. She is probably the nicest person ever, but cannot see that in herself.
I know she never got on with our dad, always had problems with him and she did end up marrying someone substantially older than her, like 20 years older, she is still married to him and she is now happy as she gets older too.
I have a friend too, who has this aspect, and I see his struggles, he is also extremely intelligent, but problems with authority figures is always a problem....
I know she never got on with our dad, always had problems with him and she did end up marrying someone substantially older than her, like 20 years older, she is still married to him and she is now happy as she gets older too.
I have a friend too, who has this aspect, and I see his struggles, he is also extremely intelligent, but problems with authority figures is always a problem....
To all:
Your observations are very interesting and insightful. The cases brought up sound like me to a T. The truth is, there is talent. I have just not developed it very much. There are definitely several instances that are burned sharply into my mind growing up though that made me devalue my natural gifts. It's a shame too, because here I am at 30 and I've never made more than $13 an hour. It's not that I'm dumb, or that I lack any skills, it's just that nothing has been developed and it has in the past seemed insurmountable in terms of where to start. I felt and sometimes still do feel like I am completely inadequate when I look at my peers. However, I've just over the last year started to come to terms with the fact that it's okay that I'm not where I picture I should be but it does matter that I get started. So maybe that proverbial late blooming 4th House Capricorn sun squared by Saturn (and Jupiter in exact conjunction which I do think severely exaggerated the Saturn influence) on the Ascendant will come to something yet. Haha.
As far as my father goes. He's an extremely severe and hyper critical man. I have heard remarks about my inability to THINK (Moon/Venus/Neptune tight stellium in the 3rd), my weight, my hair, etc. He wasn't mean about it just super severe and heavy handed - rarely physically. Still I love my dad like no other. I've learned a lot about forgiveness, acceptance, patience, tolerance and compassion from my relationship with him. He is a good man that was dealt a hell of a lame-tastic hand to put it lightly in the extreme.
Thank you everyone for your thoughts. I do appreciate it. This is proving to be a much more interesting topic for me than I'd ever have guessed.
Your observations are very interesting and insightful. The cases brought up sound like me to a T. The truth is, there is talent. I have just not developed it very much. There are definitely several instances that are burned sharply into my mind growing up though that made me devalue my natural gifts. It's a shame too, because here I am at 30 and I've never made more than $13 an hour. It's not that I'm dumb, or that I lack any skills, it's just that nothing has been developed and it has in the past seemed insurmountable in terms of where to start. I felt and sometimes still do feel like I am completely inadequate when I look at my peers. However, I've just over the last year started to come to terms with the fact that it's okay that I'm not where I picture I should be but it does matter that I get started. So maybe that proverbial late blooming 4th House Capricorn sun squared by Saturn (and Jupiter in exact conjunction which I do think severely exaggerated the Saturn influence) on the Ascendant will come to something yet. Haha.
As far as my father goes. He's an extremely severe and hyper critical man. I have heard remarks about my inability to THINK (Moon/Venus/Neptune tight stellium in the 3rd), my weight, my hair, etc. He wasn't mean about it just super severe and heavy handed - rarely physically. Still I love my dad like no other. I've learned a lot about forgiveness, acceptance, patience, tolerance and compassion from my relationship with him. He is a good man that was dealt a hell of a lame-tastic hand to put it lightly in the extreme.
Thank you everyone for your thoughts. I do appreciate it. This is proving to be a much more interesting topic for me than I'd ever have guessed.
there IS currently quite a good thread on this aspect..
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35609&highlight=saturn+square
Thank you for the link!
ptolomy
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Hi Munch,I like your reply,Especially this part:
As far as my father goes. He's an extremely severe and hyper critical man. I have heard remarks about my inability to THINK (Moon/Venus/Neptune tight stellium in the 3rd), my weight, my hair, etc. He wasn't mean about it just super severe and heavy handed - rarely physically. Still I love my dad like no other. I've learned a lot about forgiveness, acceptance, patience, tolerance and compassion from my relationship with him. He is a good man that was dealt a hell of a lame-tastic hand to put it lightly in the extreme.
I believe its ultimately very important to come to forgiveness,Other wise with this aspect you are likely to become a perpetrator of this difficult energy and consequently just pass it on,Your fathers life was probably very hard and the consequences on his personality if he failed to deal with it would be that he would pass it on unresolved,And probably because of this and your being designed to continue this unresolved issue by having a natal Saturn square Sun he would apparently criticise you more than others.I suspect in many cases it appears as a bias,but I suspect that a Saturn square Sun person would naturally see it like this. In fact he might have been just as hard on others as well.
But ultimately you need to forgive him as we are all incapable of surmounting all the tasks we have been given,And in the process this will lead to giving your self room to deal with the square in a constructive way.If we continue to blame the apparent perpetrator we cannot accept our part in the situation and we cant move on to personally dealing with it.
From what you have said you appear to be well on the way to dealing with this square,I hope your creative endeavours are very rewarding.Dont put yourself down.
And please get rid of "Ugly as Arsenio Hall in a dress", Playing self depreciation is part of the old syndrome.
PS,who is Arsenio Hall?
As far as my father goes. He's an extremely severe and hyper critical man. I have heard remarks about my inability to THINK (Moon/Venus/Neptune tight stellium in the 3rd), my weight, my hair, etc. He wasn't mean about it just super severe and heavy handed - rarely physically. Still I love my dad like no other. I've learned a lot about forgiveness, acceptance, patience, tolerance and compassion from my relationship with him. He is a good man that was dealt a hell of a lame-tastic hand to put it lightly in the extreme.
I believe its ultimately very important to come to forgiveness,Other wise with this aspect you are likely to become a perpetrator of this difficult energy and consequently just pass it on,Your fathers life was probably very hard and the consequences on his personality if he failed to deal with it would be that he would pass it on unresolved,And probably because of this and your being designed to continue this unresolved issue by having a natal Saturn square Sun he would apparently criticise you more than others.I suspect in many cases it appears as a bias,but I suspect that a Saturn square Sun person would naturally see it like this. In fact he might have been just as hard on others as well.
But ultimately you need to forgive him as we are all incapable of surmounting all the tasks we have been given,And in the process this will lead to giving your self room to deal with the square in a constructive way.If we continue to blame the apparent perpetrator we cannot accept our part in the situation and we cant move on to personally dealing with it.
From what you have said you appear to be well on the way to dealing with this square,I hope your creative endeavours are very rewarding.Dont put yourself down.
And please get rid of "Ugly as Arsenio Hall in a dress", Playing self depreciation is part of the old syndrome.
PS,who is Arsenio Hall?
Hahaha! The ugly as Arsenio Hall signature is actually a direct quote from a troll who thought that taunting me via Private Message would hurt me or something. I put it in my signature instead of replying to him. I feel that made a much better statement than anything I could have replied with. I also thought it was funny because Arsenio Hall is an actor from the 80's and 90's. He played next to Eddie Murphy in coming to America and had his own late night show for a while. It was such an absurd statement that I couldn't help but laugh.
I agree and would also add that Sun-Saturn aspects among others are an indication of the self-confidence of the father at the time the child is born and his potency in dealing with authority and hardships. Betty Lundsted in her book "Astrological Insights into Personality" mentions:
Up until this last weekend I was the last person on the planet who would have anything to do with my dad (besides my mom very occasionally calling him).
I was visiting my dad when something I said sent him through the roof and flying off the handle in a rage. That something was simply a very measured and calm explanation as to why I didn't think of something that seemed very obvious to him (parking in a handicap spot since he has a pass to do so. I don't drive nor am I disabled in any way so of course I wouldn't think to do so). In an instant it hit me why I've always been terrified of authority (thankfully this is melting away at ever increasing speeds...never thought that I'd be grateful for my Saturn Return) and why I've never defended myself for any reasons. My feelings that I should never speak up because it didn't matter anyway are so obviously rooted in my relationship with my dad. As a child I was never allowed to explain my thoughts or actions, I was just punished and taught that everything I thought and did was WRONG.
So funny how this played out for me to see with adult eyes and clear perspective. I've made the decision to no longer deal with my dad. Not out of anger or spite but because he's sick and I don't need that influence in my life any more.
I was visiting my dad when something I said sent him through the roof and flying off the handle in a rage. That something was simply a very measured and calm explanation as to why I didn't think of something that seemed very obvious to him (parking in a handicap spot since he has a pass to do so. I don't drive nor am I disabled in any way so of course I wouldn't think to do so). In an instant it hit me why I've always been terrified of authority (thankfully this is melting away at ever increasing speeds...never thought that I'd be grateful for my Saturn Return) and why I've never defended myself for any reasons. My feelings that I should never speak up because it didn't matter anyway are so obviously rooted in my relationship with my dad. As a child I was never allowed to explain my thoughts or actions, I was just punished and taught that everything I thought and did was WRONG.
So funny how this played out for me to see with adult eyes and clear perspective. I've made the decision to no longer deal with my dad. Not out of anger or spite but because he's sick and I don't need that influence in my life any more.