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Unread 08-27-2015, 09:14 PM
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Not giving up...yet.

As you can see from the title above and from previous posts I keep persevering with this guy or this matter although nothing positive has come out so far..So enough with the hide and seek (my own I mean) and the chit-chat (with myself) and let's get to the bottom of this. And the question is: Are we going to be together as a couple? Or not? Venus rx/him conjunct Me/ Mars in 5th house Leo - by the way, I may like him but I'm interested in something serious as I am at a point of my life where everything else seems to me extremely trivial and time consuming.
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Unread 08-27-2015, 11:32 PM
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I am new to horary, but I would say the conjunction is a good start. The reception might not be great, but I personally believe a conjunction is good to start with. I hope someone more knowledgeable can give advice other than me.
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Unread 08-28-2015, 09:12 AM
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Re: Not giving up...yet.

Thank you for the contribution, let's see what the other more experienced members say on this
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Unread 08-28-2015, 09:25 PM
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Hi,

No expert here, but the way I see it: there is no reception between primary sigs.
However, the Moon is in his 5th house and he is in your 5th house as primary significator.
Moon is in Mercury's terms and face of Venus [which is a poor dignity] and performs a separating aspect to Mercury, which is also located in Libra, exaltation Of Venus.
Moon also applies to Mars by opp, so I guess you feel emotionally hindered about this matter.
The Sun [his co-sig] is in Virgo, which is the detriment of Venus.
So I presume he sees you as someone he loves to talk to, he sees you as a fun person and possible fling.
Mars is moving faster to meet Venus, so you are more into him than he is into you.
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Unread 08-29-2015, 12:40 AM
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Re: Not giving up...yet.

[QUOTE=heidy26;631529]Hi,

There is no reception between primary sigs. - too bad?
However, the Moon is in his 5th house and he is in your 5th house as primary significator.
Moon is in Mercury's terms and face of Venus [which is a poor dignity] and performs a separating aspect to Mercury, which is also located in Libra, exaltation Of Venus.
Moon also applies to Mars by opp, so I guess you feel emotionally hindered about this matter(correct). Then it applies to Venus Rx (him) by opp and then squares saturn as a last aspect. But I can't really interpret all these...
The Sun [his co-sig] is in Virgo, which is the detriment-fall of Venus, but in the triplicity of the moon!
So I presume he sees you as someone he loves to talk to, he sees you as a fun person and possible fling. I wonder!!!!!!
Mars is moving faster to meet Venus, so you are more into him than he is into you. I thought Venus moved faster!! No?
What about the final outcome? There's an upcoming conjuction between the sigs. Doesn't it say anything?

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Re: Not giving up...yet.

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Hi,


What about the final outcome? There's an upcoming conjuction between the sigs. Doesn't it say anything?

What I liked most: [/B]
God's delay is not his denial.
Yes, sorry about that, I am tired. Sun in Fall of Venus. So I don't believe he wants love now, nor it seeks for it.
Even if Sun is in Moon's triplicity, does not show feelings, it shows what I said above: he is physically attracted to you.
The Moon will apply by opposition to Venus, but even if it is a little reception from the Moon when the aspect reaches 0 dg orb, there is no reception from Venus [except for the house].
He could be hindered by the idea of taking the relationship to another level.
Venus is rx now. That's why I said Mars is faster, as he is in direct motion.

The lack of reception shows lack of feelings. You [Moon] hope for something else, but he doesn't want the same.


The conjunction means meeting. In the 5th house it can be for having fun together, going out, having sex, flirting.
As he receives you by house, he is interested in that.
The outcome is: Go get it, but I don't think it will end in a relationship.
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Unread 08-29-2015, 09:30 AM
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So I don't believe he wants love now, nor it seeks for it.-- He's been seen with lots of friends but never with a steady partner.
2) the consecutive oppositions from the moon to the sigs denote hindrances for both if I understood correctly.
3) Could this meeting be a random one? Meaning happening by chance....
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So I don't believe he wants love now, nor it seeks for it.-- He's been seen with lots of friends but never with a steady partner.
2) the consecutive oppositions from the moon to the sigs denote hindrances for both if I understood correctly.
3) Could this meeting be a random one? Meaning happening by chance....
Yes, but not hindrance for the same reason, the way i see it.
I don't think the meeting will be random. It's a mutual desired meeting for the reasons of the 5th house.
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Unread 08-29-2015, 08:03 PM
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Yes, but not hindrance for the same reason, the way i see it.
I don't think the meeting will be random. It's a mutual desired meeting for the reasons of the 5th house.
Thank you very much for your help! I'll update on any developments though I doubt right now that he will contact me and I'm certainly not going to contact him.
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Re: Not giving up...yet.

As to your original question, Will we be together as a couple?" I say no because of the lack of reception. But I do think you will meet, even if by accident, based on the conjunction between Mars and Venus. Do let us know what happens.
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As you can see from the title above and from previous posts I keep persevering with this guy or this matter although nothing positive has come out so far..So enough with the hide and seek (my own I mean) and the chit-chat (with myself) and let's get to the bottom of this. And the question is: Are we going to be together as a couple? Or not? Venus rx/him conjunct Me/ Mars in 5th house Leo - by the way, I may like him but I'm interested in something serious as I am at a point of my life where everything else seems to me extremely trivial and time consuming.

There is a possibility of something, but generally when one f the significators is retrograde there is change of mind, not much stability. Someone who is rx will go back and forth, indecisive. Unless rx can be explained by him being your ex, then it would be an ex returning.

The thing is Moon separates Venus and Mars, it applies to Mars and then to Venus by opposition, so something will separate you two. I'd say there are good chance of a fling at best.
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Unread 08-30-2015, 11:46 PM
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[QUOTE=IleneK;631807]As to your original question, Will we be together as a couple?" I say no because of the lack of reception. But I do think you will meet, even if by accident, based on the conjunction between Mars and Venus. Do let us know what happens.[/QUOTE

Of course I will! And thank you again.
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Unread 08-30-2015, 11:54 PM
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There is a possibility of something, but generally when one f the significators is retrograde there is change of mind, not much stability. Someone who is rx will go back and forth, indecisive. Unless rx can be explained by him being your ex, then it would be an ex returning.

The thing is Moon separates Venus and Mars, it applies to Mars and then to Venus by opposition, so something will separate you two. I'd say there are good chance of a fling at best.

Yes,, it does but the conjunction of the planets, Mars and Venus happens afterwards. How do you explain that? I'd like to know your interpretation...
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Unread 08-31-2015, 12:49 AM
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Re: Not giving up...yet.

is the ruler of the first and 7th not conjunct? Venus and Mars?
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Yes,, it does but the conjunction of the planets, Mars and Venus happens afterwards. How do you explain that? I'd like to know your interpretation...

What Moon is doing is significant in horary, it shows what may happen next. And some astrologers would actually take Moon to prohibit the aspect between Venus/Mars. If there was dignity and reception between Venus and mars maybe they would have ability to withstand whatever comes inbetween, but as it is in this chart, its unlikely.
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Unread 08-31-2015, 08:59 AM
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What Moon is doing is significant in horary, it shows what may happen next. And some astrologers would actually take Moon to prohibit the aspect between Venus/Mars. If there was dignity and reception between Venus and mars maybe they would have ability to withstand whatever comes inbetween, but as it is in this chart, its unlikely.

So, we don't consider aspects and their perfection in a chronological sequence. What I mean, it's not that after bad things will have happened that Venus and Mars at least will meet each other.
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Unread 08-31-2015, 09:01 AM
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is the ruler of the first and 7th not conjunct? Venus and Mars?
The perfection of the aspect is to happen in a few degrees..
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So, we don't consider aspects and their perfection in a chronological sequence. What I mean, it's not that after bad things will have happened that Venus and Mars at least will meet each other.

As I said, there is a possibility of a fling, something minor. But you want a serious longterm relationship, I suppose? That is not happening. Moon aspects will come into play. The fact that Moon translates between them by opposition and this means that its separating them (opposition separates) this just confirms why Venus is rx. He is not very interested and at first chance he will change his mind and retreat. Whenever a third planet interferes that changes the disposition of the two primary applying significators. Go here: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/prohibition.html

And if the two primary signficators have interest in each other or dignity, then maybe they won't care about the third planet, but unfortunately the two planets here have no interest in each other that way. And no generally we don't look at aspects chronological order that way, the first aspect is most important. But aspect a significator makes depends on the situation and chart, if a planet is making several aspects in close succession then those things signifying those planets might be telling us something. Another exception is Moon aspects, because it shows what happens next and the outcome.

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Unread 08-31-2015, 11:45 AM
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hope this clarifies things ![/QUOTE]

Thank you very much Rafaella for your input, I''ll keep all this in mind and update whatever eventually manifests.
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Unread 08-31-2015, 10:23 PM
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The perfection of the aspect is to happen in a few degrees..
Oh, I didn't realise that had to be the case, anyway, good luck
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Unread 09-01-2015, 02:15 AM
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Oh, I didn't realise that had to be the case, anyway, good luck
Thank you very much.
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Unread 09-09-2015, 07:54 PM
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Re: Not giving up...yet.

No change dear members, I'm quite fed up with this 'inactivity'.
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Unread 09-13-2015, 07:22 PM
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Re: Not giving up...yet.

Update: The meeting finally took place yesterday, but it was a chance meeting at a bar; he showed no interest at all, maybe a little bit just before I left with my friends by getting closer to us, but that's not a real move actually, is it? It's not that he tried to speak to me. So the interpretation of the chart is accurate
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Unread 09-15-2015, 03:49 AM
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Re: Not giving up...yet.

I say you stick with it if you feel it's meant to be in your heart.

What troubles me about horary questions is that the time is arbitrary: I.E., what if I let the attraction build for a few weeks longer,thereby creating an ascendant that did not show uncertainty, or a chart wherein Venus, Mars and the Moon indicate the ideal relationship?

The more experienced members who have commented on this chart are spot on. In this chart and this time period, things haven't come together.

Have you received any signs from this individual that indicate attraction? Are you willing to make your own interest more obvious to them? Do you feel persevering and waiting for them to make their position clear is worth YOUR time?

I wish you nothing but the best. Sorry things haven't come together as you would've liked.

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Considering you said you're looking for someone with whom you could enjoy a long-term relationship, how do you view this person? Do you see them as someone you'd still be with in 5 years?

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Considering you said you're looking for someone with whom you could enjoy a long-term relationship, how do you view this person? Do you see them as someone you'd still be with in 5 years?[/QUOTE]

Thank you so much for your kind and wise words. I never was the type of the fooling around girl, so I could see him as someone to be with for an even longer period of time you know, if I just had the clues he wants the same for himself. I'll say more later on; I'm still at work, can't talk much.

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