Love with foreigners or in foreign land

[Mimi]

I didn't find any sign of international love in my chart, but all my love relations were with foreigners. What do you think, why it was like that? Is it 5th house in Aquarius?

[Moog]

Originally Posted by Mimi

I didn't find any sign of international love in my chart, but all my love relations were with foreigners. What do you think, why it was like that? Is it 5th house in Aquarius?

By my way of reading, you have Venus, ruling the 9th (and a standard significator of romance) in the 5th house with Rahu (the north node)

[twelthnight]

I married a foreigner and lived in his country for 7 years...

Jupiter in cancer conjunt mars in 11th house....
Jupiter the trad ruler of 7th house and 4th house....

Also my mars,which conjuncts Jupiter, is ruler of 9th house.

[Mimi]

Originally Posted by Moog

By my way of reading, you have Venus, ruling the 9th (and a standard significator of romance) in the 5th house with Rahu (the north node)

I know i have Venus with Rahu in 5th in my jyotish chart (and i am also Virgo ascendant instead of Libra), but i don't know much about this way of reading and it look more complicated that Western astrology. Is it possible that my marriage partner will also be foreign or there are a signs for what Hindu astrologers call ''inter-caste marriage''?

[Moog]

Originally Posted by Mimi

I know i have Venus with Rahu in 5th in my jyotish chart (and i am also Virgo ascendant instead of Libra), but i don't know much about this way of reading and it look more complicated that Western astrology. Is it possible that my marriage partner will also be foreign or there are a signs for what Hindu astrologers call ''inter-caste marriage''?

I don't know if there are methods to determine the caste of a potential marriage partner. Interesting idea though. Perhaps the ruler gives a clue? Since the ruler of your 7th is Jupiter, perhaps a brahmin or equivalent.

For marriage partner it's the 7th house.

Rahu and the 9th ruler make no aspects or associations with Jupiter or the 7th that I can see, so perhaps you will marry someone closer to home, if you do marry.

[Mimi]

Originally Posted by Moog

I don't know if there are methods to determine the caste of a potential marriage partner. Interesting idea though. Perhaps the ruler gives a clue? Since the ruler of your 7th is Jupiter, perhaps a brahmin or equivalent.

For marriage partner it's the 7th house.

Rahu and the 9th ruler make no aspects or associations with Jupiter or the 7th that I can see, so perhaps you will marry someone closer to home, if you do marry.

Thank you for the answer Moog! I can only wait to see. I hope Jupiter as a ruler is a good sign.. in Western chart, i have Mars in 2nd house as a ruler.

[Moog]

Originally Posted by Mimi

Thank you for the answer Moog! I can only wait to see. I hope Jupiter as a ruler is a good sign.. in Western chart, i have Mars in 2nd house as a ruler.

You're welcome.

Someone really skilled and experienced might be able to predict marriage. That's not me though

[Mimi]

Originally Posted by Moog

You're welcome.

Someone really skilled and experienced might be able to predict marriage. That's not me though

I believe astrology give us changes and it is hard to predict anything. We would need to have really big knowledge for that, and Univers will always keep some secrets from us.

[MaeMae]

one thing i wonder ~
expats (of sorts) ~ gwynneth paltrow, madonna, johnny depp ~
they have adopted a lingual twist.
most people maintain a national-borne dialect when they find themselves in foreign lands for extended periods.

i find it extremely phony and telling of innate insecurity.

[twelthnight]

Originally Posted by MaeMae

one thing i wonder ~
expats (of sorts) ~ gwynneth paltrow, madonna, johnny depp ~
they have adopted a lingual twist.
most people maintain a national-borne dialect when they find themselves in foreign lands for extended periods.

i find it extremely phony and telling of innate insecurity.

Yeah, funny, I lived in the uk for 7 years and I only very occasionally hear people mention my accent is slightly different. Its usually English people or someone with a very good ear that can hear the subtle change. I really have a hard time believing that amount of time in a foreign country can totally alter your language. It does seem phony. Although I did love


listening to expats of 10 plus years and hearing their funny syntactical mutations. Really

great.


Although I do think being married or similar to a native and living in their country can hasten your immersion. You want to communicate clearly, unfettered by cultural stigma, so you adopt phrases and the turn of speech pretty quickly.

[KristyDarling]

Originally Posted by virgo18

I know some aspects that could make you marry a foreigner or getting married far a way from your birth place:

Are there other aspects besides this ones?
-ruler of the 7th in the 9th
-Ruler of the 9th in the 7th
-Ruler of the 7th in Sagittarius.



Other thing is that the word foreigner is very general. All of us imagine someone from a different country. But it can also mean someone of your same country but different region. How can you figure this?

I have read some text.
if one's 7th Ruler is Naptune or Jupiter , one has high chance to married foreigner.
If the 7th Ruler in 9th => your partner comes from another continent or very far away from your country.

If the 7th Ruler in 3rd => your partner from the country , near to you.

I just really don't know about how things work with others.

Here is mine.

My 7th Ruler is Neptune .
I have my Neptune in 3rdHouse , Neptune in Saggitarius.

I had 4 serious relationship (not include dating/flings)
All are foriegners

The first one was from the same continent , but live in Australia.
The second , same Nationality as me but we are not the same race.
The third , he live in my country, but he 's from far away land , in Europe.
My current relationship , he is from Europe too.


Sometimes I do tried of the differences of my relationship , I just want to settle down with someone who totally think/feel/believe as same as I do.
But I think I always atrracted to forieghner than my friends .
Maybe the answer is in my chart.

[bittermoon]

Originally Posted by twelthnight

Yeah, funny, I lived in the uk for 7 years and I only very occasionally hear people mention my accent is slightly different. Its usually English people or someone with a very good ear that can hear the subtle change. I really have a hard time believing that amount of time in a foreign country can totally alter your language. It does seem phony. Although I did love


listening to expats of 10 plus years and hearing their funny syntactical mutations. Really

great.


Although I do think being married or similar to a native and living in their country can hasten your immersion. You want to communicate clearly, unfettered by cultural stigma, so you adopt phrases and the turn of speech pretty quickly.

phony? i think it's actually rather normal. or perhaps it's my pisces rising, but whenever i spend enough time in a different country, i pick up the accent, too.. if only subtly. even when i speak my native tongue, i apparently have a slight english accent. that doesn't surprise me as i've spent the majority of the past 15 years in english speaking countries. nothing phony about it.

[Ixaee]

Originally Posted by bittermoon

phony? i think it's actually rather normal. or perhaps it's my pisces rising, but whenever i spend enough time in a different country, i pick up the accent, too.. if only subtly. even when i speak my native tongue, i apparently have a slight english accent. that doesn't surprise me as i've spent the majority of the past 15 years in english speaking countries. nothing phony about it.

I agree...

This also happens to me whenever I even spend much time with someone who has a strong, foreign accent.. I tend to pick up on some of their nuances the more time I spend with them. My accent doesnt fully change, but I do get a slight/subtle tinge..

We humans are extremely adaptable creatures, and we're designed to fit into whichever environment and/or culture that we find ourselves in. Its natural...... instinctive, unconscious survival..

[MaeMae]

it seems it would be commonplace, then, about expats of any country.
i have a college friend i've known 30 years who is from southern california but has lived last 25 yrs in hong kong. she works and has family there. she hasn't lost her cali sound.
another friend, london born and raised has been living in u.s. for 40+years and he still sounds cockney. barely understandable.
so what creates the difference in language orientation / shifts?
if i guess, i'd say it would be related to merc and neptune and 3rd house ruler.
~pardon the detraction

[bittermoon]

my 3rd house ruler is mercury, which sits in the 5th house in cancer. no aspects with neptune. i do tend to pick up on other people's body language, words, and even mannerisms rather quickly. if you are british and i'm talking to you, chances are that my accent will be more british than if you were american. maybe this is because english is not my first language?

it's interesting though. when i was in high school, i would also pick up on my best friend's handwriting and 'mimic' it.

[MaeMae]

Originally Posted by bittermoon

my 3rd house ruler is mercury, which sits in the 5th house in cancer. no aspects with neptune. i do tend to pick up on other people's body language, words, and even mannerisms rather quickly. if you are british and i'm talking to you, chances are that my accent will be more british than if you were american. maybe this is because english is not my first language?

it's interesting though. when i was in high school, i would also pick up on my best friend's handwriting and 'mimic' it.

yep, that might be the mercurial "adaptability" and ability to subtly pick up on all forms of communication.
my thoughts on neptune's role are that neptune likes to smoothe self along, not standing out for fear of not blending in or fear of being noticed/standing out. it could be either or.

[scorpittarian]

I pick up people's accent, body language, mannerism, etc but only for a while. I've to hang out with any person for minimum 2 weeks & then I begin to mimic that person's communication style(mostly if I find it interesting).

I've an empty 3H in Aries.
Mars in Sagittarius in the 11H.
Mercury in Sagittarius in the 10th.
No Neptune aspects.

I think it's my Neptune conjunct ascendant that makes my communication style very chameleon like. But then ummm....I too find lingual twists phony & telling of an innate insecurity.

[bittermoon]

Originally Posted by scorpittarian

I pick up people's accent, body language, mannerism, etc but only for a while. I've to hang out with any person for minimum 2 weeks & then I begin to mimic that person's communication style(mostly if I find it interesting).

I've an empty 3H in Aries.
Mars in Sagittarius in the 11H.
Mercury in Sagittarius in the 10th.
No Neptune aspects.

I think it's my Neptune conjunct ascendant that makes my communication style very chameleon like. But then ummm....I too find lingual twists phony & telling of an innate insecurity.

i would say that's neptune conjunct ascendant. i am also very chameleon like and can adapt very quickly to different (social) situations. neptune is my chart ruler, sitting in sag in the 8th/9th house.

[MaeMae]

Originally Posted by scorpittarian

I pick up people's accent, body language, mannerism, etc but only for a while. I've to hang out with any person for minimum 2 weeks & then I begin to mimic that person's communication style(mostly if I find it interesting).

I've an empty 3H in Aries.
Mars in Sagittarius in the 11H.
Mercury in Sagittarius in the 10th.
No Neptune aspects.

I think it's my Neptune conjunct ascendant that makes my communication style very chameleon like. But then ummm....I too find lingual twists phony & telling of an innate insecurity.

neptune rules 3rd house in your natal?

[MaeMae]

Originally Posted by scorpittarian

I pick up people's accent, body language, mannerism, etc but only for a while. I've to hang out with any person for minimum 2 weeks & then I begin to mimic that person's communication style(mostly if I find it interesting).

I've an empty 3H in Aries.
Mars in Sagittarius in the 11H.
Mercury in Sagittarius in the 10th.
No Neptune aspects.

I think it's my Neptune conjunct ascendant that makes my communication style very chameleon like. But then ummm....I too find lingual twists phony & telling of an innate insecurity.

where is ruler of asc in chart and what house does it rule?

[scorpittarian]

Sagittarian Mars, the ruler of my 3H in natal, sits in the 11H.

Hmmm....I never thought about the chart ruler & the house it rules....

My ascendant's in Capricorn so that makes Saturn the chart ruler. Saturn also rules my 12H, sits in Aquarius & is intercepted in my 1st. Now, that makes sense.

[MaeMae]

Originally Posted by scorpittarian

Sagittarian Mars, the ruler of my 3H in natal, sits in the 11H.

Hmmm....I never thought about the chart ruler & the house it rules....

My ascendant's in Capricorn so that makes Saturn the chart ruler. Saturn also rules my 12H, sits in Aquarius & is intercepted in my 1st. Now, that makes sense.

house rulerships show a lot.

[labelledujour]

My Virgo fiance is from the same country, but of a place around 200 miles away from mine, while he's half-Belgian due to his mother. Ruler of my Cancer DSC is in Moon in Scorpio in the 9th house. I also have mostly foreigners as friends or half-Greeks, since my Sag 11th house is ruled by my 5th Jupiter in Gemini (singleton). Leo is intercepted on my DSC, btw

Ironically enough, my Leo sis, even though she has a triple Sag conjunction (Moon/Jupiter/Uranus), she doesn't get along with foreigners and doesn't even speak English well. Weird, because ruler of her Pisces Asc is Neptune in Sag in the 9th house conj her MC! Maybe that's because ruler of her Virgo DSC is Virgo Mercury in the 6th house.

[labelledujour]

Originally Posted by scorpittarian

Sagittarian Mars, the ruler of my 3H in natal, sits in the 11H.

Hmmm....I never thought about the chart ruler & the house it rules....

My ascendant's in Capricorn so that makes Saturn the chart ruler. Saturn also rules my 12H, sits in Aquarius & is intercepted in my 1st. Now, that makes sense.

My God, scorpittarian, we both have Saturn ruling our Asc and Aquarius intercepting my 1st. I also have my NN intercepted in Aquarius. In what degree is your ASC? Mine is at 24 deg 48'.

[scorpittarian]

Originally Posted by labelledujour

My God, scorpittarian, we both have Saturn ruling our Asc and Aquarius intercepting my 1st. I also have my NN intercepted in Aquarius. In what degree is your ASC? Mine is at 24 deg 48'.

WOW!!!!!my ascendant's at 25'35 in capricorn. My Saturn sits at 24'59 in aquarius. My ascendant chooses to hold it close. It's my lord of geniture, chart ruler & the only planet in an air sign.