Will I pass the exam?

Hi everyone,

I have a dilema in reading this chart, it's conflicting but the first thing is people use different significators for the outcome of an exam so I wonder what you guys have used to good effect in the past?

This is a course I attended in June and failed by 3 points. I found the course tough and full on in 4 days. It is crucial for my CV so I am looking to retake the exam soon. Bearing in mind the cost and that I need to be financially careful, I am wary of re-taking it if it's a fail again!

I will apply Frawley's principles. I am peregrine Saturn weak and not knowing what to do, being in the 8th shows the anxiety of the exam but I like the course and see value in it by being in its sign. My finance are strong with Mars ruling 2nd so why worry says the chart .

Course is Mars exalted, maybe it looks better than it is, still it is recognised as an industry standard here. Mars applies to square the AC in 2 degrees from the 8th so perhaps it indicates more anxiety over it, whether I should re-take it and that it will be a difficult one to pass (they change the scenarios every time) or perhaps it's a no straight on. Mars then cj Saturn in 7 degrees, well that is either bad, another no or showing I take the exam in 7 weeks/months. The results are usually shared around 2 weeks later.

It's interesting to note that Mars is in no dignity of Saturn, Mars, Jupiter and Moon so it makes me wonder if indeed it is a waste of time to do it according to the chart, that I would still secure good work without it?

The results would be MC Jupiter in 6th. Frawley says that for a positive outcome we need AC ruler or Moon to apply an aspect to MC ruler. Here Moon in fall in Aries (but again ruled by the cheeky course!!) applies a trine to Jupiter in 3 degrees so that would be a yes according to him. Not high score due to poor reception but still a pass.

Other astrologers use the 3rd or 9th for course and 4th for outcome. Moon will trine Mercury at Regulus as a last aspect ruling 4th matter. Maybe it is a pass, just enough to pass.

Honestly, my imagination is running wild now, it's a yes and it's a no. What do you think please?

Spica

This is one of those questions where the answer I might give will most surely influence your free will.

For example if I say yes, then you will tend not to study as hard which will influence the result. If I say no, then you will subconsciously not study as hard because you think its a lost cause.

Better not to know, and put everything you have into it, and then find out later what the Horary answer was. Having been a professional psychological counselor for 40 years, I'm especially susceptible to not being someone who influences a person's free will.

Z

P.S.: I do know what the outcome is.

That is truly unfair of you to tease.

I haven't registered and paid for the re-take yet. No I am not going to waste money on an exam I wouldn't get again.

Let's hope other posters will help, you are on my watch out list now

Spicadilly said:

This is a course I attended in June and failed by 3 points. I found the course tough and full on in 4 days. It is crucial for my CV so I am looking to retake the exam soon. Bearing in mind the cost and that I need to be financially careful, I am wary of re-taking it if it's a fail again!

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I think that if you're uncertain that you'll pass, you should put off retaking the test, assuming you haven't already paid for it.

You want to study it to the point that you can be certain of passing, and it seems like you might not have enough time to study everything out.

If you're uncertain enough about passing a test that you need to ask, then that means you should wait on taking it until you're confident enough to take it without looking at the stars. Maybe spend some money on a tutor rather than an astrologer?

I think that Astrology is least effective in situations like tests of knowledge. It might have a minor influence, but if you know the material well enough you should be able to pass regardless of anything else. Also, if you don't know the material, it won't make you able to pass.

Now... Astrology might play a role in causing the testing facility to be closed unexpectedly, or making you unable to get to the testing center on time due to traffic problems. But it wouldn't influence your ability to take the test once you got there. Plus, in a lot of those situations they tend to allow rescheduling anyway.

A better question would be, "When should I take the test?" or "Should I take the test at this date/time?" You could time an auspicious date/time for getting to and from the testing center, and ensuring that all your "juices" are flowing, but that can't guarantee that you'll pass without hard study. Just that you'll have the opportunity to pass.

No matter how much luck you have on your side, Astrology can't enable you to do the impossible.

Spicadilly said:

Let's hope other posters will help, you are on my watch out list now

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Glad to hear that. I should be watched. But you need to get in line.

Athenian has a good point. Horary assumes that you have an equal chance of passing it as everyone else does.

For example, if you are female and you ask if you will be pregnant in the next 6 months, horary assumes that you actually didn't have a hysterectomy before you asked the question. This might show up as Saturn in the 7th, or an early ASC, but it might not.

If you ask whether you are going to get married in the next 6 months, horary assumes that this is possible. But if you are living in Antarctica and there are no available people then horary won't be able to help you.

So if you passing this test is pretty sketchy to begin with, then horary may not give an accurate answer, in addition to badly influencing your free will with bad information.

Its why I don't like questions like this....

Give it some time... there are plenty of horary astrologers here who are willing to assist, I'm sure.

Thanks for your inputs and now I feel totally doomed on this thread .

Zarathu, I am in the line. Can you share at least which significators you prefer to use in these questions?

Spicadilly said:

Thanks for your inputs and now I feel totally doomed on this thread .

Zarathu, I am in the line. Can you share at least which significators you prefer to use in these questions?

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I mostly use the actions of the Moon. IMO, you can get an answer to your question using just the Moon in about 80% of the cases.

Again, IMO, horary is just about rules. So I took may various modern horary astrology books and spend about 3 months collecting and writing out all the rules in these books(there were about 12 of them in my library).

You start by looking to see if there is any reason why the question can't be answered: Saturn in the 7th, Moon VOC, ASC in the first or last 3 degrees of its sign,and if the ruler of the ASC doesn't have a Ptolemaic aspect relationship with the ruler of the house of the question. If none of these constraints are in place, then you can move on.

I then look to see if the Moon conjuncts or parallels or trines or sextiles an arabic part to see if there is fitting connection. If there is it will describe the circumstances. If there isn't, then I am a bit wary.

I then look a the Moon's condition: mutual reception? intercepted sign? in the 6th house? 6 houses after the house where Cancer is on the cusp? in the 5th or 9th houses? between malefics? angular? in Libra Aries, Cancer, or Capricorn? in a suceedent house? In Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius? Lots more.

More and more questions. I collect answers. More often than not you will begin to see a pattern and a collection of accurate information to the answer to the question.

I have 42 pages of questions to answer, more than 150 questions. If I wanted to really specialize in horary, then I would need to delve into the old texts, and I'm sure that I could come up with a thousand questions to ask. But that would only be necessary to answer those last 3% of questions that are not obvious after the 150 Questions I have now. As a primarily Counseling Astrologer, I only need to be able to answer 95% of the questions. I don't need to answer the remaining 5% of totally inscrutable ones. I leave that to the really really specialist horary astrologers, who because of this need have to be traditionalists.

This doesn't answer your primary question, but does answer your secondary one. Its really not too hard to become a horary astrologer. You just have to be an avid collector of questions, and to not believe in a single silver bullet answer.

OK... since Spicadilly says that I've doomed her thread, if no one else choses to reply by 8 PM tonight(EST), I will look at the chart presented and tell you what the Moon has to say about it.

Don't blame me if I ruin your free will on it!

Maybe someone will come in here and show that I didn't doom it before then.

Thank you Zarathu for taking the time to post these guidelines!

It sounds like you have a software to tell you about arabic parts?

I have read John Gadbury on Ray Austin's a dice and according to this chart just reading the AC to 9th rulers, it would be a yes:

"The lord of the ascendent and the lord of the 9th in cj, trine, sextile unto each other, either in or from angles, or succedent houses give great hopes to the querent, that he shall gain or profit by the arts or science he enquiries after."

So here Mars goes to cj Saturn at the end of a succedent house...

It remains to know what period that would be. Do you think the chart reads in weeks or months?

You'd need to talk to Ray Austin about that.

Ray is a traditional astrologer and uses the old texts that I respect, but like I said, for 95% of cases I don't need to delve into.

Alright...no one has responded.

Moon is not VOC, Saturn is not in the 7th house, ASC is not too early or too late. However, there is no relationship between the ruler of the ASC and the ruler of the 3rd house of tests. However the is a relationship between the Moon and the ruler of the house of tests. This is an alternative so we will accept it.

1. The Moon conjuncts the Arabic Part of sudden advancement, so we can see that perhaps this chart has some application to the test since you said that your passing it is essential for your cv.

2. The Moon is 6 houses after the house where cancer is on the cusp: this suggests that something is not right about the question or more time is needed to determine the answer.

3. The Moon is between malefics:
a. you are under heavy pressure to get a passing score
b. your will have to work very very hard to get a YES here, and put in a super effort
c. Something in the past efforts on this test is keeping you from success in this area, and you need to over come it.

4. The Moon is in Aries and Angular so once it get moving, things will conclude pretty quickly. Since its a test, this is a bit obvious, but it does verify that its a test.

5. The moon has a lot of applying aspects before leaving the sign. This means that you are not currently prepared to pass the test and that you have an enormous amount of things to do if you want to be successful

6. Moon conjunct Neptune can be a positive note

7. Uranus is in the second house of the immediate future. Some difficulties in regard to sudden unexpected circumstance may involve stuff of the future. If the test involves creativity, there may be issues. You need to be careful about sudden responses to questions; it may not come about in the way that you are expecting.

8 The ruler of the ASC is retrograde: You don't have a full handle on what you need to know to pass the test. This makes it especially difficult. The suggestion here is not that you can't do it but that you might be studying the wrong things. This goes along with some of the other suggestions.

9. the Moon's final aspect is to a benefic but the Moon is also conjunct Mercury. this suggests that even if you are able to pass the test, for some reason you may not get what you ned from it

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I think you get the idea here. Study harder, and study things that you would not normally expect to find on the test. What you think is going to be on the test may not be, and what is may not be what you studied. Even with all of this, its going to be harder than you think. The thing from the past might involve in you studying things that you expect for the last time you took the test, but that those will not be the meat of what is on this version of it.

Once again its not a NO, but without an effort that you would not normally do, it won't be a yes. And even so, there is some unpredictable issue involved in some way.

Now you know the answer too. I hope you are happy. At least it gives you a direction to go to possibly get to a YES.

Thank you Zarathu, I really appreciate that you explain your delineation. I have to do errands so will come back later. One thing is the ruler of the AC has just turned direct, I think it may be stationary direct?

Spicadilly said:

Thank you Zarathu, I really appreciate that you explain your delineation. I have to do errands so will come back later. One thing is the ruler of the AC has just turned direct, I think it may be stationary direct?

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Since I am a modern horary astrologer, it has not.

Also it doesn't really make a difference since the chart is based on the moment of the question not on susequent applying moments except in certain cases of application of the Moon. If you have a planet that is RX in your natal chart, it will always be RX throughout your whole life. Horry charts are pregnant moment of stuck time just like birth charts.

And there is no such thing as stationary anymore. That was an artifact of when the ephemeris was only calculated for one day at a time. Now that we can calculate the ephemeri to the second of arc with programs, I can tell you the exact second it goes RX or direct. Its never stationary.

your reading re-eterated one thing again for me. Yes I need to study further for it, because it's very theoretical, I have found it difficult to make sense of it all and remember all the information.

I think the best thing going forward is to wait re-taking it and focus on applying the concepts in the work environment, that way I would see the practical side of it and remember better.

Thank you for your detailed input, it has helped me deciding on what to do for now.

I'm not quite what you are asking...are you looking for a job as well? Or are you wanting to take this exam first and then seek for work? Why I ask because Moon applies to Jupiter 10th ruler indicating job. So that's basically, why you're wanting to do this test right?

Mars does aspect your significator Saturn, however before Mars does that Mercury changes signs and applies first to Mars and then to Saturn. Frawley would say - check your ephemeris!!! lol

So Mercury would perhaps show something else getting in the way, perhaps some other course or exam/training becomes available to you or it might help you in someway to do this test. I don't quite know. Mercury in this chart is combust, a combust planet shows something is not really seen right now, but will be visible later. So this is something that will come to light later. Perhaps on the job training? Or something creative? (Mercury rules 5th)

I think based on Mars/ Saturn conjunction in fixed, you may need to wait with taking this exam. It points to 'months' rather than weeks.

So give it some time, look for a job and see if you can get it. In the meantime you can study for that test.

all the best!

Thank you for your input Raffaella!! I wasn't thinking of looking for a job when asking. It was really focused on should I re-take it as for my career it is expected to have this qualification to demonstrate that you can do the job as well as having experience on the job.

Does that make sense?

Yes touche I hadn't checked the ephemeris :big grin: so Mercury gets in the way hey. I had pondered on 2 other courses that could be helpful instead of this one, that would be a bit easier and more practical and build my confidence on qualifying but I wouldn't classify them as creative.

One is to do online at home (Mercury ruling 4th?) learning practical techniques especially around people management (Mercury in 7th?) and the other course more around planning techniques (Mercury in Virgo?). Maybe it is neither when you say of the combustion, maybe there is another course I am going to come across that I will take instead. Oh and PoF is in Mercury's sign pointing at it again.

And since you ask, since the question yes I am looking for a job so I am wondering if Moon Jupiter is that coming to me. Was that your impression? Would you read the aspect in weeks or months here?

I think most likely months and not weeks here for the job.

good luck!

I totally forgot to update this thread.

I did end up securing my first contract end of November starting 1st December 2014 so yes Moon to Jupiter