A Voyage of Discovery: Astrological Ages for the Tropical Zodiac

david starling

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The constant, continuous Retrograde-motion of the sidereal Ages makes them indrawn and contemplative compared to the continual, ultimately Direct-motion tropical Ages. This especially applies to the sidereal Age of Pisces.
 
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david starling

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Kiril, what zodiac are you using for Natal-charts? The Ages are the aggregate effect of Age-influence in everyone's Chart. The constellations themselves are Signs, not influences. If you're using an equal-Sign, sidereal zodiac, just pick your ayanamsa and locate the V.P., or whatever point you're using as an Age-indicating influence, and that will tell you what Sign and degree the Age-indicator is in. If you're using unequal Signs, to match the lengths of the constellations for the Ages, that means the length of time the Sun is in a Sign varies accordingly.
 

JUPITERASC

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Kiril, what zodiac are you using for Natal-charts?
The Ages are the aggregate effect of Age-influence in everyone's Chart.

The constellations themselves are Signs, not influences.
the constellations are the constellations
signs are signs

perhaps you are highlighting
Tropical signs are named after constellations :smile:

If you're using an equal-Sign, sidereal zodiac, just pick your ayanamsa and locate the V.P., or whatever point you're using as an Age-indicating influence, and that will tell you what Sign and degree the Age-indicator is in. If you're using unequal Signs, to match the lengths of the constellations for the Ages, that means the length of time the Sun is in a Sign varies accordingly.
 

david starling

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No, the constellations as pictured by the ancient Babylonians and modified by the Hellenists tell siderealists what named SIGN an indicator is in. The Ascendant point, Sun, Moon, planets, Nodes, and the Age-indicator are the indicating influences, with qualities imparted to them by the Signs. The constellations don't transit a sidereal zodiac. They're activated by the transiting influences.
 
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JUPITERASC

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No, the constellations as pictured by the ancient Babylonians
and modified by the Hellenists tell siderealists what named SIGN an indicator is in.
The Ascendant point, Sun, Moon, planets, Nodes, and the Age-indicator
are the indicating influences, with qualities imparted to them by the Signs.
The constellations don't transit a sidereal zodiac.
They're activated by the transiting influences.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130769

The main point in my article is
that the names and meanings given to the zodiacal constellations
are derived from the 12 months of the ancient Sumerian calendar.
In other words, the zodiac has a tropical
(related to the turning points of the Sun)
origin.
About the Ages:
They are not related to what we can calculate, but to what we can see with the naked eye
 

JUPITERASC

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Change the location, and that changes what you can see in the sky at any given date and time.
Siriusly
could be the reason we ask the client for birth location when creating natal chart :smile:

If you're using the beginning of Spring in the Northern hemisphere to determine the Age-sign,
it's an astronomical calculation based on Earth's obliquity,
with a given date and time.
Not what constellation is heliacal in any particular location.
 

david starling

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According to Kiril, the constellations were tropically pictured and named to begin with; which means, tropical astrology is the correct method for determining the locations of the Signs named for those constellations in ancient times. :biggrin:
 

JUPITERASC

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According to Kiril, the constellations were tropically pictured
and named to begin with; which means, tropical astrology
is the correct method for determining the locations
of the Signs named for those constellations in ancient times. :biggrin:
that's misleading rewording of what Kiril stoychev in fact said :smile:
The main point in my article is
that the names and meanings given to the zodiacal constellations
are derived from the 12 months of the ancient Sumerian calendar.
In other words, the zodiac has a tropical
(related to the turning points of the Sun)
origin.

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david starling

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Hey, just think. Using Kiril's method, you can have it be any Age you want, simply by traveling to a location that has its constellation heliacal at the time of the Vernal Equinox! :biggrin:
 

JUPITERASC

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Hey, just think. Using Kiril's method, you can have it be any Age you want, simply
by traveling to a location that has its constellation heliacal
at the time of the Vernal Equinox! :biggrin:
hey, just think
using Kiril's method
you can have any natal chart accurately calculated
simply by locating that natal chart to its natal location
lets mention that also :smile:
 

JUPITERASC

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"In other words, the zodiac has a tropical origin...." -{Kiril S.}
Can't get much clearer than that.
:biggrin:

to be completely clear
lets quote the entire comment :smile:

The main point in my article is
that the names and meanings given to the zodiacal constellations
are derived from the 12 months of the ancient Sumerian calendar.
In other words, the zodiac has a tropical
(related to the turning points of the Sun)
origin.
About the Ages:

They are not related to
what we can calculate,
but to what we can see
with the naked eye
 

david starling

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1900 AD
On the day of the spring equinox, in the morning just before sunrise, over Jerusalem, the star Simmah (gamma Pisces) rose for the last time, and the stars of the Aquarius constellation were visible above it.

It should be noted that on the 43rd parallel, this happened about 2 centuries earlier – in the period between the years 1700-1800. This is when the Industrial Revolution began in Europe, as did the French Revolution (1789).


But why do I use the coordinates of Jerusalem? If we use the birth of Christ as a starting point for counting time, we must also account for the place of his birth, in order to make an accurate assessment.

What I'm saying is, the Age should be determined using astronomy and one's chosen zodiac--the same zodiac one uses for Natal-charts. A lot of good information in the article though.
 

david starling

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to be completely clear
lets quote the entire comment :smile:

You can't see the Sun at night. You can't see the Ascendant at all. So, unless you use their calculated positions, they won't appear in a Chart.
The Ages, like all the other astrological influences, require astronomical calculations.
 
“The zodiac of twelve signs of equal 30-degree length had its origin in Babylonia sometime during the fifth century B.C, the period of development of scientific mathematical astronomy, and was invented for use in astronomical computation, not divination. It provides a standard reference system for measuring the daily (or monthly) progress of the sun and the planets with respect to the twelve equal 30-degree segments. ” F.Rochberg
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Tropical zoidac also was invented (*Hipparchus) for use in astronomical computation.


What is important to us as astrologers is the interpretation of signs, their meanings

The correspondences between the seasonal and ritual activities for each month in the Nippurian calendar, and the name of the zodiac constellation that rises heliacally during that month. Thanks to Prof. Emelianov work we can surely say that, the characteristics of the rituals and activities that took place in ancient Sumer 2000 years B.C., played a significant role in naming the zodiac constellations (Aries, Taurus, etc.).
The events that took place on earth were dictated by the position of the Sun and its characteristics during each season. These events then shaped the features and qualities that were given to the zodiac constellations, and not vice versa, as many people think.








You can't see the Sun at night. You can't see the Ascendant at all. So, unless you use their calculated positions, they won't appear in a Chart.
The Ages, like all the other astrological influences, require astronomical calculations.
 

JUPITERASC

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Astronomers use algorithms and telescopes, not naked-eye observations.
astronomers use naked eye observation also

You can't see the Ascendant at all
speak for yourself

"Ascendant" is simply the horizon as seen when facing East
and is clearly seen during the day
even at night is not impossible to discern :smile:





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So, unless you use their calculated positions
they won't appear in a Chart.
BASE YOUR CALCULATIONS ON VISUAL OBSERVATION

to find "the calculated positions" of "the Ascendant"

which is obviously based on astronomical VISUAL OBSERVATION
of the particular place on Earths surface
on which the observer is located at any given time
astronomical calculations are based on OBSERVATION
The Ages, like all the other astrological influences, require astronomical calculations.
 
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