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Thanks. I wonder how many other people on this forum don't have any planets in water signs? Other than the four of us, I don't think I've run into any others. I do know two people with no air in their charts, but one of them isn't on the forum and the other one got banned. Rest in peace, childofmars. I have absolutely no idea what you did to get banned.

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I don't have planets in water, too, but I'm feeling like a water sign, go figure lol.
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I do know two people with no air in their charts, but one of them isn't on the forum and the other one got banned. Rest in peace, childofmars. I have absolutely no idea what you did to get banned.
Hahahahaha Air imbalances got communication work to do. But then again that's what the communication obsession is for ;-)
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We all joined the forum within a month or two(except for still confused). I wonder if there's a chart aspect we all share that might have something to do with the timing?
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We all joined the forum within a month or two(except for still confused). I wonder if there's a chart aspect we all share that might have something to do with the timing?
Hmm could be interesting to ponder about the common chart aspect but I think we are going through interesting times as it is, with the Aquarian Age having commenced about a year ago and the epic Grand Cross that formed around the New year and the New Moon joined Pluto, Mercury, and the Sun in the same part of the astrological sky.

Almine said time itself is now different, although we keep using the same clock system each unit of time actually a lot more condensed in value. This can make us incredibly productive provided we allow ourselves to flow towards our desires, but it is also a tense energy that can freak us out and create a lot of anxiety and so many actions to take that is usually counterproductive unless harnessed.

I was watching one of Gabrielle Bernstein's talks and learned that one of Yogi Bhajan's 5 sutras of the Aquarian Age is, "1/3 will commit suicide, 1/3 will go mad, and 1/3 will wake up". I found that so hilarious because I watched it happening around me and I myself felt like I was somewhere in between (2) and (3) xD.

So what I'm getting at is that there's revolutionary energy in the air to be sensitive to at this time and very uncomfortable transitions to be going through. For instance, chart imbalances can be a very sensitive issue that can make learning about astrology very uncomfortable for the first few..er.. what feels like forever. Yet we are pulled to astrology because it can be a means of expanding our perceptions and becoming aware of a bigger synchronistic universal all-is-connected picture, as well as healing our insecurities mercilessly and fast.

The Grand Crosses in the sky in 2014 are calling on us to make liberating changes to our lives more efficiently than ever before, so you'll notice accelerated "waking up" and questions concerning life preferences and what is beyond the third dimension, happening on a collective scale, this started in 2013. All of us have obviously attracted each other because we reflect some of each other's wounds, so maybe that's a fraction of the subconscious force that drove you guys to subscribe to this forum within the same time interval ;-)
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This isn't a sensitive issue for me at all. Once I started to study astrology, that is. Before, I thought there was something wrong with me. Now, I'm perfectly fine with my somewhat violent suppression of my emotions. By the way, I don't get what the difference between the going mad and the waking up things. They seem to go hand in hand to me!








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Jesse, may you move from strength to strength.
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This isn't a sensitive issue for me at all. Once I started to study astrology, that is. Before, I thought there was something wrong with me. Now, I'm perfectly fine with my somewhat violent suppression of my emotions. By the way, I don't get what the difference between the going mad and the waking up things. They seem to go hand in hand to me!








Also, I'M FINALLY A SENIOR MEMBER! THIS HAS BEEN MY SINGLE PURPOSE IN LIFE SINCE I REALIZED I WAS THREE POSTS AWAY FROM BEING A SENIOR MEMBER! THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE, BUT IT'S PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS MOST DAYS GO!

Almost forgot to have a ridiculous explosion of excitement upon becoming a senior member.
Jesse, you are so. FUNNY.

Lol maybe Astrology doesn't make you suffer because you're so ready to accept how you are, think, and feel. You have to be pretty good at that to be so openly witty. Your wit seems to cut right to the heart of the untold matter.

For me, I was definitely wanting to see some Scorpio stellium to validate the way I am and I didn't get that. I am not the singular host of this disease. It appears very prominent throughout the whole Pluto in Scorpio generation (tropical) that are low on water, perhaps because Pluto ends up holding so much of the chart's energy.

Lol I can't help but notice the stark contrast in our posts as I bring the energy back to sobriety.

By the way, it's charts like yours that can't help but ignite my faith in the sidereal zodiac. Granted, I can't say I know you. But if you're so social and witty, and sarcastic, and not too bothered by not seeing too much water in your chart, could you be a Capricorn with a Pluto on a Scorpio Ascendant and suffer from an Air imbalance instead, have a Leo MC, and a Sagittarian Mercury and Venus? Any thoughts about your sidereal chart? Does it make you feel more uncomfortable than your tropical chart?
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Lol you just might have a loss of your Aquarian identity crisis.
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Can I ask something? What is the main difference between the tropical and the sidereal charts? And which is more accurate in terms of the more inner qualities of someone? I'm trying to find the right way(for me) for interpretation.
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I do my charts tropical every time. I tried sidereal, but it was massively inaccurate for me. The aquarian identity crisis stands up to scrutiny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If there is a massive difference between two charts for your birth time, only one of them is accurate.

As Ayn Rand said, "If you find a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong."

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Sidereal astrology is only useful to me in regards to astrological ages. For everything else, I use tropical. If that's absolutely dead-on accurate for me down to the very last degree, something that's offset from that will not be accurate whatsoever.If you were getting some kind of Capricorn and Sagittarius vibe, that's because of my Capricorn stellium and Sagittarius ascendent. No idea where Scorpio comes from.

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Can I ask something? What is the main difference between the tropical and the sidereal charts? And which is more accurate in terms of the more inner qualities of someone? I'm trying to find the right way(for me) for interpretation.
The difference is that the tropical doesn't go by constellations. It goes by seasons, with the Spring equinox marking the start of Aries, Summer Equinox begins Cancer, etc. Sidereal means "fixed star" and is more closely correlated with the actual positions of the constellations in the sky. So in this zodiac, when a planet is in Sagittarius, it is actually among the stars of the centuar constellation that symbolizes Sagittarius. In the tropical zodiac, this may be considered Capricorn, as the degrees of the sidereal zodiac are about 24 behind the tropical. Example: if Mars is at 2° of Capricorn in the tropical zodiac, it will be at about 8° of Sagittarius in the sidereal zodiac. The reason there is a difference is due to the Earth's movement causing a precession of the equinoxes, and you can get into the astronomy of it or stick with the astrology, but here's a quick astronomy video:

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As to which is better, it's a complex matter and there are so many different opinions amongst astrologers. The general rule is that the tropical zodiac is used by Western Astrologers, and the sidereal by Vedic Astrologers. Vedic Astrology came from India and has its differences, extending way beyond just the birth chart, called the Rasi, as they have divisional charts and consider dasha periods, etc. It's very vast. As is Western in it's own way, with asteroids and degrees, midpoints, progressions, harmonics and such it can get as complex as we'd like to make it, but for a single person it mainly sticks to their natal and progressed chart as far as I can tell.

Some modern Vedic astrologers find they are more accurate when using the tropical zodiac, some Western astrologers use the sidereal zodiac. Lots of opinions out there and astrology has a long and complex history.

I'm not sure which is more accurate in terms of inner qualities but there one kind of chart that is immune to the difference between these zodiacs and it is the draconic chart. It is thought to signify the soul's journey whereas the geocentric chart (natal) signifies the ego's journey.

The draconic chart is calculated by moving all placements around the elliptic (represented by the chart wheel) until the North Node is on 0° Aries. If you're familiar with Astrodienst it has all these features and more, so it will generate an accurate rendition of both the natal chart using the sidereal zodiac and the draconic chart.

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I wonder how gracemontez will react to what we've been talking about for the last fifteen posts or so on her thread? I'll tell you what we haven't been doing, and that's staying on track! I just sort of hijacked this thread, whan you think about it.

...I may have gone a little overboard on the excessive hashtags back there. Sorry.

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If there is a massive difference between two charts for your birth time, only one of them is accurate.

As Ayn Rand said, "If you find a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong."
A lot of people feel this way but I don't necessarily agree. I'm actually back from a phase of divorcing the tropical zodiac, but I'm back to reconsider. Who knows, I might divorce it again. Or I might divorce the sidereal one day. But right now the prospect of both operating on different levels of ourselves seems possible.

If you believe in the Aquarian Age you believe in the validity of the sidereal zodiac on some level. Which you haven't contradicted. So there.

And I actually got quite a predictable response from you about it, because something could be inaccurate to someone, but unless it's pushing some kind of button there's no need to be so fired up about it. Astrology pushes my buttons all the time. It's ok. And elemental imbalances ARE a sensitive issue.
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The Joy of Hate

It doesn't push my buttons at all. And that makes me absolutely furious.

By the way, The Joy of Hate is a book by Greg Gutfeld. I really want to read it. You guys should buy it and read it. I have no idea whatsoever what it's about. But I still want to read it. I like Greg Gutfeld. He's funny.
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Hey, Jesse, my mom has the same birth date as yours. But she is on this planet from a 'little'' bit longer than you .
As for the different charts...Wow, there is a variety to the chaos? I've heard about Vedic astrology but it sounds too distant and I'm not sure if I am prepared to dive in it right now. I'm still on the 1st level of the Western and I'm confused and angered about certain things. I feel like there is something that my chart can't quite explain. Like something crucial is missing from it. And the element imbalance plays a big role for my frustration. Because I don't really feel the water element missing. Or I don't know how exactly feels to miss it. I know that my invisible soul(a term I just invented) is a Scorpio and then astrology steps in and slaps me hard with earth, air and fire. Really hard, as my chart can show.
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That's your higher self you're referring to. You should try astrodeinist's chart generator, and use all it's fancy bells and whistles to add the asteroids and arabic parts and all those other complicated things. I've gone to dozens of different astrology websites, and I always manage to find a new part of myself I've never come across before. But try to learn about arabic parts when you're confident with the basics. I like arabic parts a lot.

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Hey, Jesse, my mom has the same birth date as yours. But she is on this planet from a 'little'' bit longer than you .
As for the different charts...Wow, there is a variety to the chaos? I've heard about Vedic astrology but it sounds too distant and I'm not sure if I am prepared to dive in it right now. I'm still on the 1st level of the Western and I'm confused and angered about certain things. I feel like there is something that my chart can't quite explain. Like something crucial is missing from it. And the element imbalance plays a big role for my frustration. Because I don't really feel the water element missing. Or I don't know how exactly feels to miss it. I know that my invisible soul(a term I just invented) is a Scorpio and then astrology steps in and slaps me hard with earth, air and fire. Really hard, as my chart can show.
I feel you!!

Edit: Don't know what advice would be better: (a) to check all sorts of charts, sidereal, draconic, heliocentric, etc. and see where things can be explained/balanced out. And majorly dissect your Moon. Is it affected by Lilith, how else is it aspected, etc.

or (b) Work with the issues brought up by your Western natal chart and try to understand the ways in which the water imbalance is real. Remember it just makes that element that much more important to you, and you crave it to feel alive.

I have a definite water imbalance because water is weak in ALL my charts except my Navamsa which is a Vedic divisional chart. So while I could have a fire imbalance I DEFINITELY have a water imbalance. And as a child I wanted to be a vegetarian. My grandparents live on farms, and a lot of chicken weren't killed when I was little because of my screaming. (Eventually I grew up and learned that it was inappropriate to deprive other people of their food and was taught in school how many grams of daily protein I need etc. and sometimes life just encourages you to step on your emotions, strengthen your head, but that's another story.) I'm the first to sob at a movie, sometimes uncontrollably so. When surrounded by people like Jesse (just saying hi) who didn't get it, depending on how secure in myself I was feeling, I would thank the lord for the room's darkness/laugh in embarassment and/or I'd feel empathically superior.

Fast forward to learning how to read charts in 2013 and I'm trying every astrological avenue to find that certification for a sensitive soul. Never did, my answer thus far is the imbalance's "compensation". Compensation sounds a little harsh but that's only because we associate it to criticism, or to a lack of genuinity, but it's niether, it's just compensation. I truly believe an imbalance (and everyone has some sort of imbalance) is a channel to connect with Source energy, because it forces us to seek beyond ourselves. A lot of our generation were probably born with the water imbalance due to where the outer planets have been for the past few decades before a few years ago.

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I generated a chart with arabic parts just yesterday in astrodienst but the ones shown there are not all of the arabic parts, I guess. I'm still not sure what is the right interpretation for them but I'm going to do some researching soon. I have 'played' with asteroids, too, but there isn't a lot of information about them. Which is sad because I became really interested.
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I feel you!!

Edit: Don't know what advice would be better: (a) to check all sorts of charts, sidereal, draconic, heliocentric, etc. and see where things can be explained/balanced out. And majorly dissect your Moon. Is it affected by Lilith, how else is it aspected, etc.

or (b) Work with the issues brought up by your Western natal chart and try to understand the ways in which the water imbalance is real. Remember it just makes that element that much more important to you, and you crave it to feel alive.

I have a definite water imbalance because water is weak in ALL my charts except my Navamsa which is a Vedic divisional chart. So while I could have a fire imbalance I DEFINITELY have a water imbalance. And as a child I wanted to be a vegetarian. My grandparents live on farms, and a lot of chicken weren't killed when I was little because of my screaming. (Eventually I grew up and learned that it was inappropriate to deprive other people of their food and was taught in school how many grams of daily protein I need etc. and sometimes life just encourages you to step on your emotions, strengthen your head, but that's another story.) I'm the first to sob at a movie, sometimes uncontrollably so. When surrounded by people like Jesse (just saying hi) who didn't get it, depending on how secure in myself I was feeling, I would thank the lord for the room's darkness/laugh in embarassment and/or I'd feel empathically superior.

Fast forward to learning how to read charts in 2013 and I'm trying every astrological avenue to find that certification for a sensitive soul. Never did, my answer thus far is the imbalance's "compensation". Compensation sounds a little harsh but that's only because we associate it to criticism, or to a lack of genuinity, but it's niether, it's just compensation. I truly believe an imbalance (and everyone has some sort of imbalance) is a channel to connect with Source energy, because it forces us to seek beyond ourselves. A lot of our generation were probably born with the water imbalance due to where the outer planets have been for the past few decades before a few years ago.
I understand how you're feeling. I feel like the most sensitive and emotional person on this planet, too. I can cry just for reading the annotation of a book that I most probably won't read. The themes going in my life, the nature of my emotions and my soul and so many other things...I have to ask my mother if she lied to me about my birthday xD. Seriously, I need that cetification, too. Not because if I find it I will feel like finding myself but just because I feel in a way betrayed by something I respect(like astrology). And yes, the compensation theory really sounds like 'haha, this is not the real thing, keep believing'. Everything feels pretty real to me, who is to say what I am and what I'm not?
Btw, the draconic chart is like the opposite of the western. At least mine is. That puts my AC in Scorpio, my Venus in Pisces and Uranus, Moon, Neptune and Jupiter in Cancer.
In the sidereal(Vedic) Pluto is in Scorpio and Saturn in Pisces(my Pallas is again in Scorpio, but this time together wirh Vesta and Ceres - all, along with Pluto, in the 8th house; Juno in Pisces, Lilith in Cancer - unaspected as always)
EDIT: So, this morning I came to a realization and I decided to share it with you, my dear friends with no water in your aquarium. And just to clarify something - it's more of a personal obseravtion from a spiritual point of view than astrological. People with lack of a certain element(lets say water xD), even if it sounds contradictory, actually have this element. And they may be more connected to water than the fish in the sea. But, as the natal chart is an expression of the ego, it is not expressed in the way the other elemental influence in them is seen in the chart and in their external presentation to the world. It is more of an inner quality that has to do with the soul and the soul path. You don't have to compensate for it in the sense of getting it from somewhere or someone. You just have to find a way to express it, because it's so deep in your inner world(and because of this - such a big part from it) that it rarely manifests itself properly. Your chart maybe can enlighten you how to do it but first ask yourself of the way and the answer will be easier than you thought - the things closest to your soul desire(like a career choice or something connected with personal relationships) will be the easiest form for your water reserve to pour itself in the material world. This is art for me. The art of writing(because of the themes) and probably the art of love if I take into account my Scorpio DC, Pluto in 7th and a bunch of other love asteroids(plus some arabic parts) in there, as well. I consider my Sun in Libra a very good position for fulfilling my path and dealing with the imbalance with the most balance-oriented sign. So, don't worry, take care because you maybe are wetter than the water itself xD.
Here is a suitable song(especially considering my Moon in Capricorn) that I adore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk
And I know that there are people who have already made it to the same conclusion, I read your first comment on this thread, StillConfused(I completely agree with you) xD.The idea is just to listen to yourself *dramatic inhaling*.
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I understand how you're feeling. I feel like the most sensitive and emotional person on this planet, too. I can cry just for reading the annotation of a book that I most probably won't read. The themes going in my life, the nature of my emotions and my soul and so many other things...I have to ask my mother if she lied to me about my birthday xD. Seriously, I need that cetification, too. Not because if I find it I will feel like finding myself but just because I feel in a way betrayed by something I respect(like astrology). And yes, the compensation theory really sounds like 'haha, this is not the real thing, keep believing'. Everything feels pretty real to me, who is to say what I am and what I'm not?
Btw, the draconic chart is like the opposite of the western. At least mine is. That puts my AC in Scorpio, my Venus in Pisces and Uranus, Moon, Neptune and Jupiter in Cancer.
In the sidereal(Vedic) Pluto is in Scorpio and Saturn in Pisces(my Pallas is again in Scorpio, but this time together wirh Vesta and Ceres - all, along with Pluto, in the 8th house; Juno in Pisces, Lilith in Cancer - unaspected as always)
EDIT: So, this morning I came to a realization and I decided to share it with you, my dear friends with no water in your aquarium. And just to clarify something - it's more of a personal obseravtion from a spiritual point of view than astrological. People with lack of a certain element(lets say water xD), even if it sounds contradictory, actually have this element. And they may be more connected to water than the fish in the sea. But, as the natal chart is an expression of the ego, it is not expressed in the way the other elemental influence in them is seen in the chart and in their external presentation to the world. It is more of an inner quality that has to do with the soul and the soul path. You don't have to compensate for it in the sense of getting it from somewhere or someone. You just have to find a way to express it, because it's so deep in your inner world(and because of this - such a big part from it) that it rarely manifests itself properly. Your chart maybe can enlighten you how to do it but first ask yourself of the way and the answer will be easier than you thought - the things closest to your soul desire(like a career choice or something connected with personal relationships) will be the easiest form for your water reserve to pour itself in the material world. This is art for me. The art of writing(because of the themes) and probably the art of love if I take into account my Scorpio DC, Pluto in 7th and a bunch of other love asteroids(plus some arabic parts) in there, as well. I consider my Sun in Libra a very good position for fulfilling my path and dealing with the imbalance with the most balance-oriented sign. So, don't worry, take care because you maybe are wetter than the water itself xD.
Here is a suitable song(especially considering my Moon in Capricorn) that I adore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk
And I know that there are people who have already made it to the same conclusion, I read your first comment on this thread, StillConfused(I completely agree with you) xD.The idea is just to listen to yourself *dramatic inhaling*.
That's exactly it! No one said otherwise ;-).

When the element is not present within your specific chart you are on a mission to pull it out from the depths of the space where all humanity is one.

The natal chart is very much connected to how people see you act, even though it hold much more information than that. But the draconic chart is the soul's journey, so that helps you feel that way. Your draconic chart is WET and Jupiter planet of creativity and enlightenment is soo happy in his exhaltation where he gets to serve you very well.

Here's a little secret: Astrology will be better understood in time, but in the mean time, whenever it gets to be like it was yesterday for you, it's ok to take a break, and look inside :-)
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Re: Strongly lack of water element???

Also your draconic Midheaven will give you a clue. Was it Cancer or Leo?

Edit: I really feel like it should be water, but if it's Leo it would explain your passion for writing plus your draconic chart is watery enough as it is.

Edit again: so freaking uncanny that you shared that song, I've been thinking about it the past few weeks. I'm glad the Jupiter opposite Pluto transit is delivering for you nicely, we are all feeling the intense cleansing taking place.

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Re: Strongly lack of water element???

The thing is, I don't see astrology as being a scientific subject. Astrology deals with people, souls and personalities - it's a study of the individual(mostly) FROM the individual because no matter how much help you seek from astrologers you are the one that has to make the connection between things and find the answers. For the truth to illuminate the outer reality, it first has to be burning somewhere in the inner one. This is how I see and feel things.
My draconic Midheaven is in Cancer. Although my art expression and soul are all about Scorpio. But this is not exactly expressed through my chart. At least, not in an obvious way. I feel my essence as Scorpionic but my ego and presentation as that of, probably, a Leo(in a way. It's a mix of influences, of course) . But I'm also very quiet most of the time. Even shy(or reserved). Here roles play my AC in Taurus(maybe) and certain aspects of which I'm not sure. It's just that I'm not expressive in front of everyone.
Haha, this song became a sort of a personal hymn for me since I saw the movie at the cinema. There is so much emotion and beaituful soul expression in it! Elsa grew up being afraid only to realise that she, after all, was the Snow Queen herself. A favourite Disney animation, hope you enjoyed it the way I did.
EDIT: Elsa reminds me a little bit of Persephone(my avatar and signature xD) because I think that after Persephone is taken into the Underworld she lets her old self die and transforms into the Queen of the Underworld. Although she spends half of the year with her mother, she has bonded her soul with the God of the Underworld and if the true home is where you soul is, then she is more connected with the realm of the dead than that of the living. A personal observation. Not that this thread is the place for it, sorry...I just love the myth of Hades and Persephone.
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