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Rev Dr Reuben Swinburne Clymer

I am enjoying reading “The Mysteries of Osiris, or Ancient Egyptian Initiation”.

He has written many books. This one is quite hard to put down.

Has anyone read this?

Here is a wiki link to him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_Swinburne_Clymer

He was a Freemason and a Rosicrucian.


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Re: Rev Dr Reuben Swinburne Clymer

“Naz-Seir means sent prince” Nazarene

Matthew 2:23

“He shall be called a Naz-Seir-ene “

Interesting, to read of the origins of words.

Nazir - Sent Prince
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The Egyptian paid the “people” their tithe in Mid August. It was seen as the beginning of a New Year. Represented by and aged man and a young man.

In Egypt it was a joyous time, where they paid their due to the poor.

In England, it was law, forced, ands not so joyous time, as it was looked at in a darker “light” the paying of the poor.

Sirius played a large role. Marking time in August. How enlightening that where it was law to pay the poor their due wages, it was a dark time, and where natural law abided, it was viewed as joyous.
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Re: Rev Dr Reuben Swinburne Clymer

http://iapsop.com/ssoc/1951__clymer_...revised_ed.pdf

Here is a link to the book by Clymer that I am reading.

The Mysteries of Osiris, or Ancient Egyptian Initiation
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“Naz-Seir means sent prince” Nazarene

Matthew 2:23

“He shall be called a Naz-Seir-ene “

Interesting, to read of the origins of words.

Nazir - Sent Prince
There is no prophecy about a sent prince, but there is about a branch (netzer) in Is. 11:1 - ''There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch from his roots shall bear fruit.'' The tz sound was often transliterated with z into Greek, as for example notzrim becomes nazarenos. There are also arguments that zeta was pronounced as ''dz'' instead of ''zd'' in ancient Greek.
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Hi Petosiris,

Is it a prophecy? If it is a regular motion of the earth, is it just a counting, and recounting of what the solar system does over millions or more years?

Prophecy may not be the correct word.

If there is foreknowledge of things to come, and things past. If yes, then it is not prophecy.
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He implies that the masses of people’s have an easier time relating to a figurehead that had a physical humanoid body or image. Hence Osiris, as Jesus of Nazareth were seen as real people to feed the minds of the many, that could not understand the motions of the universe without personalizing it in human form.

Interesting eh?

Page 48, of the book.
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Hi Petosiris,

Is it a prophecy? If it is a regular motion of the earth, is it just a counting, and recounting of what the solar system does over millions or more years?

Prophecy may not be the correct word.

If there is foreknowledge of things to come, and things past. If yes, then it is not prophecy.
Prophet means an oracle and mouthpiece of God who alone possesses all foreknowledge. A prophet may predict events, but he also might be giving guidance in other matters that are deemed important to the Word of God.
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Prophet means an oracle and mouthpiece of God who alone possesses all foreknowledge. A prophet may predict events, but he also might be giving guidance in other matters that are deemed important to the Word of God.
It is becoming obvious to me, that the mouthpiece is repetitive through the ages. Virgin birth. Love of mankind. 10 commandments. 12 whatever.

All culminating in the same thing.

Man creates religion for his needs through the ages, to assist in the understanding of the motions of the universe.

Mouthpiece sounds the same, the names of all change to fit the time and language used.
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Re: Rev Dr Reuben Swinburne Clymer

Hi Opal,
Dr Reuburne Swinburne Clymer was a grand master of Fraternitas Rosae Crucis, and again President Lincoln is mentioned:-
https://www.soul.org/component/conte...ory-of-the-frc
https://dhayton.haverford.edu/blog/2...-rosae-crucis/
https://www.nndb.com/org/852/000052696/

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Hi Opal,
Dr Reuburne Swinburne Clymer was a grand master of Fraternitas Rosae Crucis, and again President Lincoln is mentioned:-
https://www.soul.org/component/conte...ory-of-the-frc
https://dhayton.haverford.edu/blog/2...-rosae-crucis/
https://www.nndb.com/org/852/000052696/
Thanks Monk,

The Rosicrucian’s are also said to have been responsible for The Georgia Guidestones.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Clymer died in 1966.

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Re: Rev Dr Reuben Swinburne Clymer

Hi Opal,
The Georgia Guidestones does have star alignments, however they don't tell you it also is aligned to Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris Star!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
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The Georgia Guidestones does have star alignments, however they don't tell you it also is aligned to Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris Star!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
It is amazing, that so many important structures have been aligned to the stars. The Guidestones are one of the most important works of the last century.
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Clymer on page 60 of the book writes “Isis means Light of the soul”

He continues with a quote from St. John 1:4 “In him was life; and the life was the Light of men.

Isis is also the equivalent of Iesus, I-Esus, ie, spirit soul. The spirit being “I” and the soul “Esus” Iesus the spirit soul,which forms the eternal “cross” resulting in the manifestation of the body; it being the expression of the Christos or inner activity of this Spirit Soul.”

He then goes on to relate the many incarnations by the people in different regions of the world to use the name of Isis, slightly changed for their region, but with the same ideology.

He writes of the Osiris, Isis and Horus, as a myth older than them. Having been passed down for millennia.

I like this guy’s writing style.
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On page 67 of the book, there is another representation of Isis. This time derived from the Italian folklore.

"Isis was in reality called Circe because of the circ, or solar circle she commonly wore over her head and because she emblemized the entire solar system. That circle which in later centuries became the Halo of Holy Men and Saints, was the symbolization of the Infinite Light of, or in which, the Supreme Being always appeared to men."

Isis, was seen as the entire solar system. Setting the times of feasts, the Equinox and Solstice were her feasts, her setting the seasons for the regeneration of earth.

The Circe, or circ is symbolic of Eternity.

Forever and ever. Aman.
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On now to page 71.

Menes or Moses and the Establishment of a New Law.

"The public sign for the beginning of husbandry was named Mensues, later changed to Moses, meaning: "Saved from the water"; because the moons of Horus Apollo, or husbandry, were known by the same name."

Then further on,

"The name of Moses, Menes, or Mensues, was thus wisely and most properly given to the public as a sign for the rebeginning of husbandry. This word signified the "drying up".

Interesting. Saved from the water, and drying up. Masculine. Menes. Mensues.

Clymer sees these as the seasons. Representations of. Wet/Dry. Masculine/Feminine.

Throughout known myth, the representatives of the Zodiac, are always there. Pointing us in our mass cults of the age, to watch the seasons. Prepare for them, and give thanks to the Universe for them.
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Interesting passage, yes Petosiris we do know how to pronounce some. It shows the different cultural differences. The passage you picked is funny, before the war he pledges to offer up whatever comes out of his door first if he returns in victory.

I say funny because whenever I notice God asking for a human sacrifice, he stops it. Not here though. But I guess the difference is God did not ask. Jephtha bartered, and had to follow through. Off with her head. His daughter.

What other human sacrifices in the Bible culminated in the death of a human? I am asking.
Human sacrifice is an abomination to YHVH. It is one of the main reasons that the nations were violently driven out by the Israelites - Deut. 12:29-31, 18:10-12. Jephthah committed this very terrible sin in order to avoid using the name in vain, which is another very terrible sin. The moral of the story is to not make rash and foolish vows, not to make human sacrifices.
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Human sacrifice is an abomination to YHVH. It is one of the main reasons that the nations were violently driven out by the Israelites - Deut. 12:29-31, 18:10-12. Jephthah committed this very terrible sin in order to avoid using the name in vain, which is another very terrible sin. The moral of the story is to not make rash and foolish vows, not to make human sacrifices.
Yes, good lesson, was she the only human sacrifice in the Bible?
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Yes, good lesson, was she the only human sacrifice in the Bible?
I just mentioned that the nations that the Israelites dispossessed were practicing human sacrifices. Are you reading my comments? The land that you have was also dispossessed from nations that practiced human sacrifices until few centuries ago.
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Yes, Opal we know how the letter shin was pronounced in Biblical Hebrew. Haven't you heard of Shibboleth? The Ephraimites like the New Testament Greeks would pronounce it with the incorrect ''s'' sound - ''Then Jephthah gathered all the men of Gilead and fought with Ephraim. And the men of Gilead struck Ephraim, because they said, “You are fugitives of Ephraim, you Gileadites, in the midst of Ephraim and Manasseh.” And the Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. And when any of the fugitives of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead said to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” When he said, “No,” they said to him, “Then say Shibboleth,” and he said, “Sibboleth,” for he could not pronounce it right. Then they seized him and slaughtered him at the fords of the Jordan. At that time 42,000 of the Ephraimites fell.'' Judges 12:4-6 ESV

That answers your question does it matter how exactly one pronounces a single letter.

When Jesus returns, he will give a pure tongue to his faithful remnant, and they will be able to pronounce everything correctly - Zephaniah 3:9.

YHVH isn't the universe. His name means ''he who will be, he who is and he who was''. The universe has a beginning according to the Bible, while according to science, it has both a beginning and an end*. The creator neither has a beginning nor an end. He is the everlasting God - Isaiah 40:28, there is no god before him, nor will there be another god after him - Isaiah 43:10.

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It mentions death, but not by sacrifice.
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I just mentioned that the nations that the Israelites dispossessed were practicing human sacrifices. Are you reading my comments? The land that you have was also dispossessed from nations that practiced human sacrifices until few centuries ago.
That is not in the Bible though.

The aboriginal people’s did practice cannibalism.
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That is not in the Bible though.

The aboriginal people’s did practice cannibalism.
The Lord YHVH does nothing unless he reveals his secret counsel to his servants the prophets.
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I just mentioned that the nations that the Israelites dispossessed were practicing human sacrifices. Are you reading my comments? The land that you have was also dispossessed from nations that practiced human sacrifices until few centuries ago.
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For JA, and Petosiris,

This is an interesting battle. Probably the worst defeat the British ever suffered. The victors were called savages, but the battle was amazing, and their savage ways were very misunderstood. The Battle of Isandlwanda, was timed to an eclipse by the victors. When they had won they honoured the dead by slicing open their abdomen to release their souls, a misunderstood honour, striking horror and disgust to the British. Later, the British returned, and mowed them down.

I admire the Zulu’s for this Battle.

I will be back tonight, and will be back on subject.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q1viP-jVZis

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