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Unread 11-19-2014, 06:15 AM
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Re: Abnormal, intense reaction to abandonment

This isn't meant to belittle the struggles you speak of Lauren, but asked about a common thread, and this thread is the illusion that there are any problems at all. Any less profound answers that you come up with using things like astrology, are not showing you the true common root of your experiences.

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Unread 11-19-2014, 06:14 PM
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Re: Abnormal, intense reaction to abandonment

Let me make sure I'm understanding what you're saying, here...you're saying that human/terrestrial problems are only problems when you don't factor in the celestial aspects of them. If you view problems as opportunities, hardship as challenges necessary to overcome, then your problems cease to be problems because your perspective is rooted in something higher and mightier than your human self. Consequently, astrology is a means of connecting with your higher self in order to understand what you're here to learn. The common thread, then, is the journey itself. The more I learn, the more introspection I gain, not into my human self, per se, but into my spiritual self and my higher purpose. This perspective will/should help to release my anxieties and my fervent need for control.
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Re: Abnormal, intense reaction to abandonment

Hi Laurelin. The celestial aspect of a human experience is something that we can choose to think about after we have already made a more fundamental choice. This more fundamental choice is the decision to try to find a solution to some perceived problem.

But we don't need to believe the mind when it thinks, 'here is a problem' and when it then thinks, 'a solution to this problem must be thrashed out if I am to find peace.' My problem with astrology is that once the more fundamental decision has been taken, astrology provides a very grand and fascinating arena in which to do the thrashing out. So astrology can be a distraction which helps obscure the fact that we are better off not believing the mind.

Astrology isn't a means to connect to one's higher self - we connect to our true nature by letting go of everything. The mind instils in us the fervent need for control that you speak of, but if we try use a system such as astrology as a way of finding liberation from this need, then we have been duped by the mind, because we are just adding another layer of fervent controlling.

I'm not saying its wrong to use astrology of course - just that its no substitute for (and can easily become a hindrance to) recognition of the stillness that is our true nature.

What astrology can do is say something about the particular pattern of conditioning which our mind is feeding on, helping us to see through the compulsiveness which arises from it. The better we are able to see this, the more willing we are to trust the stillness.

This is where I'm at with it at the moment anyway. Others may have different takes on it.
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I am late to this post, but it is obvious that you have been given lots of valuable information here...if I might add one more thing:

I would suggest that the abandonment issue is connected to Neptune tripping up your Mercury and Sun; also the considerations of Uranus afflicting the Moon/Venus conjunct may well be involved as well. In view of the fact that you don't recall having been abandoned at any point in this life, it can still be blocked off in the memory. Here is what happened to me:
there was a time around the age of 6 or 7, that my parents got into a huge fight and mother walked out on us...she was gone for a short while but then came back again in a week or two. Later I forgot about the incident, since my mother remained involved with us unto her death.
My psyche blocked the memory of it, until later in life, shortly before she died. I was having grave difficulty with my own relationships, and then underwent hypno-therapy to address my stress issues connect to grief.
In relationships I was always having super dramatic reactions whenever anyone appeared to want to discard me and leave, and I really couldn't understand why. It went well beyond the reaction of my Cancer Sun [clinging and the need to belong]... After briefly discussing my difficulties to the therapist, I went into trance and suddenly felt an immense wave of emotion, with crying and my body shaking, even though no visions were coming to my mind.
Instead it was like sitting in an empty theatre waiting for a show to start but never did...it was just one very black screen in front of me. Due to the distress, the therapist quickly brought me back to consciousness, where I felt calm and stopped crying immediately, but I still could not connect my reaction to any original source and the therapist was at a loss.
By that time I was in an unstable relationship after my marriage had died a couple of years before. Several days later we had a terrible fight and he walked out on me...again my insecurities and fears got the better of me, initially and I cried some more. As I was attempting to defuse my reaction, sometime later I got a revelation that shocked me out of my distress, and I was suddenly remembering the memory of my mother leaving us, which had been locked away within my psyche all those years...the thing is that the psyche can easily fool us in terms of what we remember from the past; Neptune can allow the curtain to fall, so that we don't remember some of the worst memories we encounter from the past...in essence though it is only postponing the heartache, only to be revealed at some later time when we are not expecting it. Long story short, once I had identified the feelings attached, I was able to work through the fear and move on in due time.
With Uranus square the Moon [memories] and opposed to Chiron [need for healing] in your chart, it also rules over the 4th H. of the past, suggesting a potential theme of separation or disconnection in early childhood. Abandonment issues can still be retained in the memory, even if it was not a permanent situation and up til the age of 7 this fear is quite common for children, and it is easy to forget things that are not in our current frame of reference.
Psychological traumas or crisis are also associated with the 8th where Mars and Jupiter are afflicted by Pluto, and that is where the fear is hidden and needs to be resolved. I totally concur with your statement: I'm almost wondering if I "block" each breakup and store it somewhere until the next one happens and that's why these episodes seem to get worse and worse as time goes on; until you can address and resolve your inner conflicts, they will continue to arise again and again...
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Re: Abnormal, intense reaction to abandonment

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I would suggest that the abandonment issue is connected to Neptune tripping up your Mercury and Sun; also the considerations of Uranus afflicting the Moon/Venus conjunct may well be involved as well. In view of the fact that you don't recall having been abandoned at any point in this life, it can still be blocked off in the memory.
I'm not completely opposed to this idea, though I'd hazard to guess that whatever it is was probably a gross misconception or a complete overreaction. When I was a kid, I was traumatized just being put into daycare for a couple hours when my mom had an appointment to go to. My little sister would be "in charge" because I couldn't handle any kind of separation. I was terrified of getting kidnapped, lost, left behind. There was no one emotional trauma that seemed to start this behavior, but it was not present before the age of 5. When I was 5, I got tripped up by my dog's leash as I was walking him across the street and I fell and got a concussion. It was after this injury that my personality changed and I went from being a delightful, social, carefree child to one who was anxious, moody, and terrified of everything.

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Long story short, once I had identified the feelings attached, I was able to work through the fear and move on in due time.
Agreed and if I could recall where/when it all came from, I'd be doing that.

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With Uranus square the Moon [memories] and opposed to Chiron [need for healing] in your chart, it also rules over the 4th H. of the past, suggesting a potential theme of separation or disconnection in early childhood. Abandonment issues can still be retained in the memory, even if it was not a permanent situation and up til the age of 7 this fear is quite common for children, and it is easy to forget things that are not in our current frame of reference.
Psychological traumas or crisis are also associated with the 8th where Mars and Jupiter are afflicted by Pluto, and that is where the fear is hidden and needs to be resolved. I totally concur with your statement: “I'm almost wondering if I "block" each breakup and store it somewhere until the next one happens and that's why these episodes seem to get worse and worse as time goes on”; until you can address and resolve your inner conflicts, they will continue to arise again and again...
Noted...but there doesn't seem to be much I can do unless I remember something that brings it all back.
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Re: Abnormal, intense reaction to abandonment

The OP has asked for me to continue. But, IMO, the question was brought up that a common thread so far needs to be identified.

I'm wondering if, after the period of time that has elapsed, and the worthwhile additions of others such as Kimbermoon, whether any common thread relating to the original question is seen.

If no common thread is seen by the OP, I would be happy to make some suggestions. However, since this is very early in an extensive interpretation the common thread may not be yet visible. We shall see.
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