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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

Sentient means to be capable of feelings or to be able to be conscious. A planet capable of consciousness? That would be placing these planets on a pedestal beyond what I would have assumed it could have been reached. Absolutely amazing! Astonishing! I love it. This will be included into the list of astrological theories that I come across on AW to look up during study time

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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

If a planet is just a planet and it is just made up of elements that helps retain the planet’s anatomy then why go forth to try to place these real-life associations on a planet that exist to just exist in our universe to be merely just a planet floating around the sun in the first place? What would that make astrology as a whole? A theory in itself? So many questions. Such a thought-provoking thread
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

I mean why does a planet need to be sentient and alive, or think like a human being, in order to astrology to work? Does it make it easier to assign blame when someone in the sky is causing these events?

I don’t believe there’s a big old daddy looking down from above dictating everything. That comes from western christian type thinking. Then people went ahead and mixed it up with eastern beliefs and they come up with this strange concoction of ideas.

My biggest irk is that they translated brahama as “God,” which makes people even more confused. People from the west just ran with it and made a monotheism out of it that never existed in the first place.
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

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If a planet is just a planet and it is just made up of elements that helps retain the planet’s anatomy then why go forth to try to place these real-life associations on a planet that exist to just exist in our universe to be merely just a planet floating around the sun in the first place? What would that make astrology as a whole? A theory in itself? So many questions. Such a thought-provoking thread
The real-life associations are to the deities these planet's represent.

In antiquity, the planets (errant-stars) were not considered gods, nor to be alive. That is why their were usually referd as "...the star of (planet)Venus".

Dialect and coloquialism eventually morphed the way we refer to them (from "star of Venus" to just "Venus").
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

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I mean why does a planet need to be sentient and alive, or think like a human being, in order to astrology to work? Does it make it easier to assign blame when someone in the sky is causing these events?

I don’t believe there’s a big old daddy looking down from above dictating everything. That comes from western christian type thinking. Then people went ahead and mixed it up with eastern beliefs and they come up with this strange concoction of ideas.

My biggest irk is that they translated brahama as “God,” which makes people even more confused. People from the west just ran with it and made a monotheism out of it that never existed in the first place.
To be fair most pantheistic cultures have a "king of the Gods" type of deity, like Zeus, Odin, etc. who had absolute power over the entire pantheon, along with a creator or absolute first deity such as Gaia.

In a way christianity does the same with God and the archangels.
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That’s very different though in both philosophy and practice.

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The real-life associations are to the deities these planet's represent.
Hi @Dirius Thank you for answering the questions. I really appreciate this contribution.
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I mean why does a planet need to be sentient and alive, or think like a human being, in order to astrology to work? Does it make it easier to assign blame when someone in the sky is causing these events?
First question: That is just a theory (Thank you @Lostinstar for sharing it ) A theory I find to be intriguing and it can have weight to it if it were to just be looked into rather than thrown aside as mere none sense just because it is a theory that is not apart of your own belief (whatever that might be). I like be open to these ideas (even when I find it to be disagreeable). You never know what can come from it or what small pieces of valuable information can be gained. However, People can agree to disagree.

Second question: I applaud at those choice of words 👏 Excellent!



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I don’t believe there’s a big old daddy looking down from above dictating everything. That comes from western christian type thinking. Then people went ahead and mixed it up with eastern beliefs and they come up with this strange concoction of ideas.

My biggest irk is that they translated brahama as “God,” which makes people even more confused. People from the west just ran with it and made a monotheism out of it that never existed in the first place.
Thank you for sharing your views. Very telling indeed. You are free to choose to believe in whatever you deem to be the truth. I love hearing different opinions
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

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To be fair most pantheistic cultures have a "king of the Gods" type of deity, like Zeus, Odin, etc. who had absolute power over the entire pantheon, along with a creator or absolute first deity such as Gaia.

In a way christianity does the same with God and the archangels.
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

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If a planet is just a planet and it is just made up of elements that helps retain the planet’s anatomy then why go forth to try to place these real-life associations on a planet that exist to just exist in our universe to be merely just a planet floating around the sun in the first place? What would that make astrology as a whole? A theory in itself? So many questions. Such a thought-provoking thread
I'm curious how do you think planets affect the lives of humans on Earth?
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

The last 2 great conjunctions: 1980 (March involving Mars and Dec in Virgo), 2000 (May and Dec in Taurus) brought on great societal change: neo or retroconservatism and globalization or economic neoliberalism mixed with multiculturalism and political correctness from the 1980 Virgo great conjunction, and the war on terror and an interest in social democracy (Obamacare) after the 2000 Taurus great conjunction.
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or , I have the same ruling planets: Uranus and Saturn. I see the Cancer rising. Aries in the MC and Venus was her name!
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Well, saturn returns are well known for bringing changes into people's lives, so I believe it can be a big catalyst for change, something that I know is more typically attributed to Uranus. But Saturn's is more about shedding what no longer serves and adopting habits that help you to mature. My tastes personally changed during saturn return. Even the types of guys I liked pre saturn return are the types I'd avoid like the plague now. They just look disgusting to me now as people. But it's about way more than just about who you like and don't like. In a lot of ways I'm not even the same person anymore. If saturn didn't exist, there may be some changes today, of course, but I would probably still be resembling more of my old self than what I do now.
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

Saturn returns can also coincide with major shifts in one's status, although faster-moving planets may provide the trigger. My son and my mother married at age 29. My son (first child) was born when I was 29.
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Re: Saturn: A catalyst for change or a bringer of stagnation?

It can be a catalyst for change. My Saturn Return pretty much bopped any bad karma, from my past, into the abyss. I am much happier now.
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