The Astrology of Plagues

[Dima Gur]

Hey everyone,

I've conducted a small research in an attempt to discover astrological signatures for periods of plague in world history. In the research I've compared the current COVID-19 pandemic, the Black Death in 14th century Europe, the Spanish flu after WW-I, and the Justinianic Plague in the 6th century in Constantinople.

I've ended up with the following list of astrological indicators:
* A conjunction between Jupiter and Pluto
* Pluto in the same sign or conjunct the nodal axis, that is Pluto's involvement in the eclipse cycle
* A time period of around one to two years ahead of the great conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn
* A conjunction between Mars and Saturn just prior to or at the beginning of the pandemic
* Chiron in Aries
* Pluto in a cardinal sign
* Uranus in an earth sign
* Jupiter in an earth or air sign
* Saturn in an earth or air sign
* Numerous planetary placements in either earth or air signs
* A retrograde Mars in the sign of Leo

I'm explaining the logic behind all of those in this blog post and I would love to hear your thoughts on the subject.

[Mister Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Dima Gur

Hey everyone,

I've conducted a small research in an attempt to discover astrological signatures for periods of plague in world history. In the research I've compared the current COVID-19 pandemic, the Black Death in 14th century Europe, the Spanish flu after WW-I, and the Justinianic Plague in the 6th century in Constantinople.

I've ended up with the following list of astrological indicators:
* A conjunction between Jupiter and Pluto
* Pluto in the same sign or conjunct the nodal axis, that is Pluto's involvement in the eclipse cycle
* A time period of around one to two years ahead of the great conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn
* A conjunction between Mars and Saturn just prior to or at the beginning of the pandemic
* Chiron in Aries
* Pluto in a cardinal sign
* Uranus in an earth sign
* Jupiter in an earth or air sign
* Saturn in an earth or air sign
* Numerous planetary placements in either earth or air signs
* A retrograde Mars in the sign of Leo

I'm explaining the logic behind all of those in this blog post and I would love to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Interesting enough, some of the biggest plagues have occured, or grew uncontrollably, when Jupiter or Saturn were conjunct in a cardinal sign with Pluto



Black Death: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Aries
HIV: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Libra
Spanish Flu: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Cancer
COVID-19: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Capricorn


As this astrologer pointed out: https://darkstarastrology.com/health...-pluto-cycles/
Keep scrolling down to see the picture with the viruses on it and the second video.
Maybe you can add that to your list?

[Senecar]

Surprising, because Jupiter is usually a fortunate planet. Jupiter angles with Pluto seems creating mega negative energy?

[Osamenor]

Originally Posted by Senecar

Surprising, because Jupiter is usually a fortunate planet. Jupiter angles with Pluto seems creating mega negative energy?

Jupiter makes everything bigger. Bigger fortune. Bigger misfortune, too.

Jupiter conjunct Pluto magnifies Pluto. Pluto is the Big Bad Wolf of planets. Huff and puff and blow the house down, the house being whatever is indicated by the sign Pluto is transiting and any planets Pluto is touching. If Jupiter is helping him out, he becomes a bigger, badder wolf.

A conjunction between any planet and Pluto is the beginning of a Pluto/that planet cycle. Pluto conjunct Jupiter begins a new Pluto/Jupiter cycle. Pluto conjunct Saturn, a new Pluto/Saturn cycle.

Cardinal signs are also beginning points. By definition, a cardinal sign is the 30 degrees starting with the point the sun reaches on a solstice or equinox. Cardinal signs are season starting signs.

Every notorious plague period in human history has changed the landscape. The Black Death completely reshaped Europe. Justinian's Plague halted the expansion of the Byzantine Empire. HIV changed the way people approach sex, and led to strict protocols around bodily fluids becoming the norm in the medical field.

[Cary2]

Originally Posted by Mister Skeleton

Interesting enough, some of the biggest plagues have occured, or grew uncontrollably, when Jupiter or Saturn were conjunct in a cardinal sign with Pluto



Black Death: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Aries
HIV: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Libra
Spanish Flu: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Cancer
COVID-19: Jupiter conjunct Pluto in Capricorn


As this astrologer pointed out: https://darkstarastrology.com/health...-pluto-cycles/
Keep scrolling down to see the picture with the viruses on it and the second video.
Maybe you can add that to your list?

HIV came on the scene when Pluto entered Scorpio with Saturn in tow.

I was attending a meeting of an astrology club when the speaker, Jeff Jawer, pointed out that Pluto would enter Scorpio alongside Saturn. He mused that it looked like a bad day for sex was coming.

[Osamenor]

Originally Posted by Cary2

HIV came on the scene when Pluto entered Scorpio with Saturn in tow.

And stayed.

Fixed signs are longevity. Cardinal signs are a quick start and finish. I've heard that in a wedding chart, fixed sign angles are what you want for the marriage to be long lasting. Cardinal sign angles signify that the marriage will be finished with quickly. With those in the wedding chart, it will probably only last a few years, and then either there's a divorce or one of them dies.

Plagues are not weddings, but it's looking like they operate on a similar principle. The plagues that started with Pluto/Jupiter and/or Pluto/Saturn in a cardinal sign, like the 1918 flu, had a short tenure as plagues go. HIV seems to be around forever. It just isn't as dreadful as it was because we have better treatments. Most people who contract HIV now are not going to get AIDS, let alone die of it, but in the beginning, many died of it.

Originally Posted by Cary2

I was attending a meeting of an astrology club when the speaker, Jeff Jawer, pointed out that Pluto would enter Scorpio alongside Saturn. He mused that it looked like a bad day for sex was coming.

And it did!

But really, the good day for sex had been short lived. For nearly five hundred years, syphilis had played the role that AIDS did in the 1980's. That was the incurable and fatal STD. The discovery of penicillin post WWII neutralized that threat, but then it wasn't even 30 years before we were dealing with HIV.

[Senecar]

But in traditional Astrology, Pluto doesn't even get considered in their readings?

[Osamenor]

Originally Posted by Senecar

But in traditional Astrology, Pluto doesn't even get considered in their readings?

Correct. Traditional astrologers have other ways of identifying plague conditions.

Someone somewhere on these forums said Jupiter in fall or detriment, but strong in the plague onset chart (for example, angular or ruling its ascendant), is a great way to increase the body count.

The OP in this thread mentioned Mars placements, and Saturn, and Saturn/Jupiter cycles. All of that would be used in traditional astrology. There, too, we have Jupiter involved in setting the right conditions for a plague to occur.

[Senecar]

Originally Posted by Osamenor

Correct. Traditional astrologers have other ways of identifying plague conditions.

Someone somewhere on these forums said Jupiter in fall or detriment, but strong in the plague onset chart (for example, angular or ruling its ascendant), is a great way to increase the body count.

The OP in this thread mentioned Mars placements, and Saturn, and Saturn/Jupiter cycles. All of that would be used in traditional astrology. There, too, we have Jupiter involved in setting the right conditions for a plague to occur.

Depending on the way they opt for the Tropical or Sidereal zodiac system, they could come up with totally different readings for the prediction? Because the placement of the planets and angles would be somewhat different each other for making them either detriment fall or well placed.

What about the new 13th Astrological signs NASA supposed to have found recently. According to the new system, I am not Aquarius as used to be, but I become a Pisces.

[Osamenor]

Traditional Western astrologers don't use sidereal, and there's no such thing as a thirteenth sign. By definition, an astrological sign is 30 degrees of the ecliptic (the ecliptic is what appears to be the path of the sun around the earth--in reality, it shows us the path of earth's orbit around the sun). The ecliptic, like all circles, is 360 degrees. It's impossible to divide 360 by 30 and get any number besides 12.

The "new signs" are constellations, not signs, and they're not on the ecliptic. The constellations that share their names with the astrological signs are on the ecliptic, which is how they got to be associated with the signs, but constellation and sign are not the same thing. Astrological signs aren't measured by the constellations. They're measured based on where the sun is at the solstices and equinoxes.

[david starling]

Saturn/Neptune conjunction in tropical Leo for the "Spanish flu", and Saturn/Pluto conjunction in tropical Capricorn for Covid-19.

[CapAquaPis]

There were 8 great plagues before 2000, 8 outbreaks after 2000 and 3 "novel" corona-virus outbreaks (SARS and MERS) in this century/millennia/"new age".

I'm concerned on the (last?) weekend's full moon in Gemini opposite Sag sun, in addition to the Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto conjunction visible in the southern sky tonight and all of the last month of 2020, esp. December 13-23 (18th) period.

The true nodes are currently in Gemini/Sagittarius and this resembles the time when they were in Cancer/Capricorn in 1918-19 (the great global H1N1 flu).

[Mister Skeleton]

Originally Posted by david starling

Saturn/Neptune conjunction in tropical Leo for the "Spanish flu", and Saturn/Pluto conjunction in tropical Capricorn for Covid-19.

And then Jupiter approached Pluto afterwards and the plague expanded. The first wave of the Spanish Flu began in early March of 1918 when the Saturn/Neptune conjunction in Leo was taking place, but the second wave began in the second of half of August of 1918, when Jupiter in Cancer formed an exact conjunction with Pluto in Cancer. The second wave was much more widespread and deadly. A third wave occurred in early 1919, when Jupiter was still conjunct Pluto in Cancer, and even though it was less severe than the second one, it was still deadlier than the first wave. As Jupiter moved away from Pluto in Cancer around the middle of 1919, after about April, the virus began to 'calm down' and the pandemic faded away eventually. There were isolated cases in 1920 in certain parts of the world, but it wasn't such a ginormous thing like it was in the previous two years.



With COVID-19 it's kind of similar, it wasn't until Jupiter (along with Mars in Capricorn) approached Pluto around mid to end of March that this thing really blew up worldwide. And every time Jupiter formed an exact conjunction with Pluto over the course of the year (end of June, mid November) the numbers went up exponentially.


Jupiter forms a conjunction with Pluto every 12/13 years. It doesn't mean that a pandemic happens every time they meet up, obviously, but if there already is an epidemic somewhere in the world then it does seem to have the potential to exaggerate its transmission and fatality.

[Osamenor]

Originally Posted by Mister Skeleton

Jupiter forms a conjunction with Pluto every 12/13 years. It doesn't mean that a pandemic happens every time they meet up, obviously, but if there already is an epidemic somewhere in the world then it does seem to have the potential to exaggerate its transmission and fatality.

That or an economic crash, at least if they meet in a cardinal sign. This time around, it was both.

Last time Jupiter and Pluto conjoined was 2007-2008. They initially met in Sagittarius, then both transited to Capricorn and made another exact conjunction. That was the worldwide recession.

Their next conjunction after 1918-19 was at the beginning of the Great Depression. Pluto itself was discovered by astronomers during that time.

They only met once in Libra (although there were multiple direct passes of exact conjunction). That was in the early 1980's, which coincided roughly with the onset of AIDS (although the first cases happened earlier and the disease burst into public consciousness when Pluto entered Scorpio).

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Mister Skeleton

And then Jupiter approached Pluto afterwards and the plague expanded. The first wave of the Spanish Flu began in early March of 1918 when the Saturn/Neptune conjunction in Leo was taking place, but the second wave began in the second of half of August of 1918, when Jupiter in Cancer formed an exact conjunction with Pluto in Cancer. The second wave was much more widespread and deadly. A third wave occurred in early 1919, when Jupiter was still conjunct Pluto in Cancer, and even though it was less severe than the second one, it was still deadlier than the first wave. As Jupiter moved away from Pluto in Cancer around the middle of 1919, after about April, the virus began to 'calm down' and the pandemic faded away eventually. There were isolated cases in 1920 in certain parts of the world, but it wasn't such a ginormous thing like it was in the previous two years.



With COVID-19 it's kind of similar, it wasn't until Jupiter (along with Mars in Capricorn) approached Pluto around mid to end of March that this thing really blew up worldwide. And every time Jupiter formed an exact conjunction with Pluto over the course of the year (end of June, mid November) the numbers went up exponentially.


Jupiter forms a conjunction with Pluto every 12/13 years. It doesn't mean that a pandemic happens every time they meet up, obviously, but if there already is an epidemic somewhere in the world then it does seem to have the potential to exaggerate its transmission and fatality.

So, when is Covid-19 due to start fading away from an astrological perspective?

[Opal]

The sixth house in a mundane chart represents the public health and the working class. The planets housed there represent the nature of the sickness.

[JUPITERASC]

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1. The Omina
.....or
the Celestial Signs of the CoronaVirus Pandemic
according to Babylonian Astrology.


2. The Prognosis based on Babylonian Planetary Cycles.


3. THE DRAGON HERB
The Remedy
*Arum Maculatum
*Δρακοντιά
* Змийска Хурка*
used against plagues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y27i7gXvzaY



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[Opal]

When observing the mundane chart you should start with the ascendant, and then observe what is going on through each of the houses.

Each country will be feeling the affects differently, as each handle the crisis in different ways, each having a different chart depicting them.

The ascendant is said to control the amount of time said issues will last. Fixed signs being the longest and cardinal the shortest. With covid being worldwide, it is hard to determine time as there is no way to achieve an accurate world chart.

But looking at individual nations or cities charts, it is possible to observe all of the areas that are affected by Covid in each individual country’s or cities chart.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Opal

When observing the mundane chart you should start with the ascendant, and then observe what is going on through each of the houses.

Each country will be feeling the affects differently, as each handle the crisis in different ways, each having a different chart depicting them.

The ascendant is said to control the amount of time said issues will last. Fixed signs being the longest and cardinal the shortest. With covid being worldwide, it is hard to determine time as there is no way to achieve an accurate world chart.

But looking at individual nations or cities charts,
it is possible to observe all of the areas
that are affected by Covid in each individual country’s
or cities chart.

therefore

keep in mind the Mundane astrology Hierarchy of charts
Starting with the Grand Conjunction


i.e.
example using New York
as the city or nation's city: MUNDANE ASTROLOGY HIERARCHY

Grand Conjunction 1702
21 May 1702
4:01:37 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York
074°W00'37"
40°N42'26"

Great Mutation (Earth) 1802
17 Jul 1802
5:52:26 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York

Great Conjunction 2000
28 May 2000
11:07:39 AM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York

Great Malefic 2004
25 May 2004
1:20 AM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York
....is currently the operating Malefic Chart
and then the following will become operative....
Great Malefic 2034
26 Jun 2034
5:33:42 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York


2020 Aries Ingress
March 2020
Federal Hall, New York


Note: Relocate the chart(s) to your country
and
for maximum accuracy, use the "foundation point"
eg: Romania = Alba Iulia, not Bucharesti
Japan = Kyoto, not Tokyo
Spain = Toledo, not Madrid
and so on




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[Mister Skeleton]

Originally Posted by david starling

So, when is Covid-19 due to start fading away from an astrological perspective?

Hey, sorry for the late reply, I was pretty busy. As for your question, most likely after March next year we'll start to see things calm down. We've got the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction coming up soon, and from the looks of it, it looks like it's going to be a continuation of the restriction themes we've had this year for the first couple of months of 2021.


Edit: Just to elaborate, the restriction themes are gonna be especially pronounced during the first two months while Jupiter is conjunct Saturn. Jupiter's about to leave Capricorn, but it's still going to have its energies mixed with Saturn even though it'll be in Aquarius. By March the conjunction will be over with, but Jupiter is still going to be in Aquarius, one of Saturn's signs in traditional astrology, so things will probably lighten up to some extent after March, but not entirely.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Mister Skeleton

Hey, sorry for the late reply, I was pretty busy. As for your question, most likely after March next year we'll start to see things calm down. We've got the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction coming up soon, and from the looks of it, it looks like it's going to be a continuation of the restriction themes we've had this year for the first couple of months of 2021.

astrologer John Gadbury
found a correlation between intensity of plague
and the positions of Mars and Venus.

Gadbury noted that Plague deaths increased sharply
when Mars moved into an astrologically significant position.
Deaths then abated when Venus’s position became more significant.

John Gadbury concluded that

the movement of “....the fiery Planet Mars...”
was the origin of pestilence and the “...cause of its raging...”
while the influence of the “...friendly...” Venus helped abate it.

Former lead investigator
who spearheaded a taskforce for the US government
into the origins of COVID-19
has declared the virus may have been the result of
work done for a biological weapons program in Wuhan.


David Asher – a now senior fellow at the Hudson Institute
– spoke about investigations
into the origins of COVID-19
and suspicions as to who
may have been first infected
with the virus in Wuhan.
He spoke of Wuhan Institute of Virology
and the theory
it may have developed SARS-COV-2
while working on
a potential coronavirus vaccine.

The possible vaccine was potentially being developed
as an antidote to a bioweapen, he said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBq-LV3Jm1M


"....Whether they were developing this vaccine, if it exists
as an antidote is hard to know
There's going to be the need for a huge global investigation
well beyond the WHO because
events and information have arisen
which made us feel the Wuhan Institute was highly probably
the source of the COVID epidemic..."

Originally Posted by Mister Skeleton

Edit: Just to elaborate, the restriction themes are gonna be especially pronounced during the first two months while Jupiter is conjunct Saturn. Jupiter's about to leave Capricorn, but it's still going to have its energies mixed with Saturn even though it'll be in Aquarius. By March the conjunction will be over with, but Jupiter is still going to be in Aquarius, one of Saturn's signs in traditional astrology, so things will probably lighten up to some extent after March, but not entirely.

[CapAquaPis]

Mundane astrology mentions some places in the world with strong rulership of Leo, the sun sign and said to represent diseases (same with the namesake sign before Leo...Cancer) have a high likelihood and incidence of past epidemics.

The nations of Italy and Spain (esp northern regions of Italy notably Lombardy and surrounding Madrid like the region of Leon) were one of the most infected in the COVID pandemic, but their history of the "Spanish" flu and many other plagues in the Italian renaissance indicates their communities' repeated fates. Not surprising, Leon in Spain means "Lion" and something on the line of 15% in spring-summer 2020 to now over 50% of their residents today were possibly infected by COVID, this placed them among the world's most infected places.

The US esp states that meet the hardest hit COVID infected region of the south, west and central: Texas and Oklahoma, are designated as "Leo" places, were probably the most infected states. The inland regions in the US beyond 100 miles of the Pacific and anywhere south of the Potomac and west of Pittsburgh had state and local governments were opposed to many COVID restrictions. Can you imagine 15-19% of a state (or country's) population tested positive and 60-70% were exposed to SARS-CoV-2/HCoV-2019 that causes COVID?

And here in CA, inland counties in the southern and central regions of the state had 10-15% of the county population infected and 50-60% were exposed? In Leonine places in the Low desert and southern San Joaquin valley, it's probable.

[Opal]

I just read, that contacts between Pluto and Uranus are common with plagues. Marjorie Orr. An Astrological History of the World.

So far not much on plagues, but I am still looking.

[JUPITERASC]

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Jupiter is unfortunate in the Washington DC Aries Ingress chart
due to affliction of its location in Saturn-ruled Aquarius

BUT

Jupiter is strongly placed to ACT due to ascendant conjunction
and is not in sect
Sect tells us whether a Planet - or Light
- has the potential to perform the task or tasks
given to it
The POTENTIAL to act is not the same as
actually acting/performing.
and whether a Planet is Fortunate or Unfortunate
will tell you IF the Planet will actually perform

Originally Posted by Mister Skeleton

Edit: Just to elaborate, the restriction themes are gonna be especially pronounced during the first two months while Jupiter is conjunct Saturn. Jupiter's about to leave Capricorn, but it's still going to have its energies mixed with Saturn even though it'll be in Aquarius. By March the conjunction will be over with, but Jupiter is still going to be in Aquarius, one of Saturn's signs in traditional astrology, so things will probably lighten up to some extent after March, but not entirely.

Aries Ingress for Washington DC has ascendant Aquarius Jupiter Night chart
however Jupiter is a Diurnal planet and therefore
is out of sect for the Washington DC Aries Ingress






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