PTV, Happy birthday. Get nice and loaded. I’ll pass you a puff of an internet splif if you like 
The list that I gave was transiting planets crossing over my natal parts. my merc is at 12 scorpio J
I’m not sure what “The Unecessary” meant. That was the title for that part that I saw here on this thread. (the part ASC + URA – POS) I suppose it would mean what is not needed in someone’s life and what does not compel them. It doesn’t seem to fit though, for me. It also doesn’t seem to flow with the descriptions of the other parts that are triggered by the part of spirit. Any thoughts on what that particular point might mean and why it is labelled “the unecessary” at the top?
(and yes, you were accurate in your interpretation – I am very open with people and encourage their individual growth and actually need that for my own alone time- loaded first and 12th house. I always encourage his artistry.)
Hmmmmm…. That’s interesting. I’m wondering if you could expound on that thought when you get a chance as there is something ominously inspiring about it. I used to meditate to the phrase I am, to get over my fears about life.. sounds similar to Om..
So with your chart of Jesus as having a Libra 1 ascendant, you are implying that he was not born that way, he had to go through reincarnations to achieve that state? (I’ll have to reread your post of his chart with this idea in mind.) Or maybe that it is not taken in the same context because he had the purity of high consiousness brought into human form?
Oh, I was also thinking of whether or not there was a part for “connecting earth and heaven” “connecting above and below” or “connecting pyhsical and spiritual”.. which is a critical aspect of the tree of life. though, I DO imagine that those parts would have some connection to Tiamat (the asteroid belt/comets) so it might be something that that will remain unkown unless we consider asteroids or comets that emulate tiamat's meaning. (it might just be the part of higher awareness.)
It makes sense that my part of treasure is at 1 libra because the perfect spiritual form is the only way to go J
I am still learning much about what the different parts actually mean. I get lost in the duality of every part and symbol.. for example.. is part of treasure not just what we find valuable but what values find us? As in what gifts we are bestowed with…? I suppose it is a gemini moon inconjunct mercury thing But this technique is a very fulfilling way to interpret astrology I feel an overwhelming appreciation that your posts lead me to this knowledge. I don’t know how thank you aside from repeatedly saying thank you.
This was long.. I feel like I have so much more to learn regarding the parts.. I will help in decoding them along the way!!
-PV
Oh also, i concur that the part of imprisonment seems spot on so far.
Getting into the whole Jesus question is a bit more than I want to delve into at this time.
It kind of is implied that we progress through all 360 symbols in our lifetime and that one begins with their Asc.
But, this Path of True Disciple thing that Rudyhar repeatedly brought up then implies that one can make a leap and adopt that path for their own... but it's still much of a mystery to me, presently.
The concept of the symbolism of the four axis points and what those axis points represent does establish that they have to be met in a sequential order [and it has been established to my complete satisfaction from years of application and study]...that is to get from "WHO" to "WHERE-TO" one must reach the "HOW" in between and after reaching the "WHERE-TO" then the answer as to "WHY" becomes known.
I have a very old out of "Astrology Handbook" by Ursula Lewis that is very concise, It lists about 3 dozen Arabic Parts and Ursula recommends in that book to do timeline studies and cross check the events in your past and see if there hasn't been any events that correspond to conjs. with the Astrological Prts as she promoted doing that as a splendid way to rectify natal birth times. ...and she didn't use Sabian Symbols. Because the Sabian Symbolism, having only been fairly recently discovered to be Symbolically active as to the nature of the Part in question, when coupled with transit activity for rectification purposes has shown to be that will then increase exponentially as so to the potential for and success of attempts of rectification.
I already champion the Sabians as "the greatest tool for natal chart rectification there is.
It gets a little confusing because the Asc. of Jesus is the 1st degree of Libra in that one would assume that then the 1st degree of Libra is the beginning of the journey [on His path] the fact that it begins in the adjacent degree of 30* Virgo is what causes this some difficulty in comprehending.
You see, those that have been working with these symbols for years had all assumed that the 360 symbols begin with progression at Aries !* because it symbolically represents a new life form coming into being and, when followed in the traditional direction it culminates with Pisces 30*. But, if you study that symbol for Pisces 30* you'll find that it is representing becoming more immersed in the materialness of Maya. That Libra 1* is the finale and that Jesus was born with Pluto conj that degree came to me that Pluto then took it a step further in that it then sent it to Aries 1* ...and that represents the "TRANSFIGURATION" [it may interest you to know that my Asc. at 17* Scorpio 10' 22', the 18th degree of Scorpio is giving the keyword summation as being the "Transfiguration".
Oddly, there is another degree in the 360 that is also given this same keyword summation.
I was doing a synastry for another member of the forum, late last night,with that of the Jesus chart as due to the unusual connection He and I have shared through this forum and keeping up an outside 'pen pal' kind of friendship that is not unlike the oddity of a few friendships that I developed here in the Folsom, Calif. area. As it was from keeping in touch with those folks that certain pieces of the puzzle kept arriving with them... my friend Suryakant and I like to allude them to as being as like dots in a 'connect the dots picture' that young children are given for a busy activity.
As the dots kept accumulating I was able to getting enough of a picture [or pictures] that "Something was definitely going on here"...the kind of stuff you only read about. As I then started analyzing those peoples charts in synastry with the 'Jesus natal chart" and found numerous mutually shared degrees & symbols that statistically were of such great odds against that happening that I began to suspect that "there was something, REALLY SOgoing on here.
Subsequently sessions with my trusted clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, [whom is just as much, if not more, one of the folks that came into my life at the exact time I needed what they brought to offer.] gave confirmation that these people are all past life connections to me.
As the book "The Cup of Destiny" gave me the the most numerous explanations and further confirmation I took the authors advice as to reverse engineering [in my mind] the events of my life that lead to all of this...and I found that it goes waaaaay back into my earliest remembrances of childhood.
There's still a couple few of those folks that have been such an essential part of the process that are in denial but they are gradually wearing down into becoming believers as to the fact that there is a greater power...a greater hand behind it all.
...which is a real toughie for a couple of them as they have lived lives to date being as close to atheists as one does encounter... definitely agnostics, anyways.
..and none of us would have ever believed anyone that told anyone of us that we didn't know it but that some 'greater power' was ever depending on us to gather at just the right time with what we had in the cards we held and that we we being dealt from a stacked deck.
I mean, we are what most consider to be as something akin to just bumbling old hippies [for the most part...we did all grow up in that era...some take offense to being called that word, "Hippy"...I don't ...I fit the profile] the type of people that live quite nondescript and uneventful
I have oft said that what we have accomplished these last 14-15 years [and actually as I met the first of these folks back in early '92...it goes even further back...and like I said, having reversed engineered the events in my life... I know as to myself, this was something I had agreed to do prior to birth.
Clarisse did reveal to me that... [as I found enough signs and what not to suspect and ask about my mother having also been my mother in a prior life. The mother of Parsival that had her nearly grown son living with her in a most remote area of a secluded forest in old Britain some 1200 years ago. ...and I wish i kept a copy of the name of that woman as it is a difficult one to remember ...not to even mention try to spell. ...but it starts with an 'H" just as my dear departed mother's name did also.] ... that, we were in fact in our 6th incarnations together as mother and son this time and that it won't be the last time either. Clarisse said that when the world is at a desperate hour...a crucial tipping point, that she and I incarnate as a 'special team.
My mom had real trouble with this 'story' despite all that had gone one since 1998-9 ...my predictions coming through...demonstrations of that synchronicity that I kept bringing up in some anecdotes each time I got to go see her and get a chance to really talk to her.
What transpired immediately following her death in jan 2011 caused even the most cynical, contrary disbeliever of the little group of ours to practically start spinning like a top. ...and that's kind of a long story...anecdote...that i have shared with a few, I think I have written something about it. But I've already gone on her in this post a bit more than maybe I have should.
I will say this...don't ever doubt about anything of wondrous legends, the angelic, Holy men, yogis, from India that are alleged to have siddhis that you can even develop one or two yourself unknowingly just from having remained faithful to yogic/spiritual practices and from committed belief and allegiance to the 'Archetypes' and to God.
I have seen and experienced such things and such phenomena in my life that prior to the 1990s I had already considered myself exceptionally blessed for the fact. Since 1998-9 it has just 'Gone totally off the HOOK" with that kind of stuff as to such a degree that I'm presently of such confidence and awe that I might even consider myself to be 'Bullet Proof" or be able to walk through a raging fire and come out unscathed.
...and that is all...Straight Up!!!!...!!!!
As you are already seeing the symbolic synchronicity in charts I know that I won't scare you off from having written all this now...because you will want to delve more into it to see for your self if it just hasn't been some queer coincidence as to presently... and I have a very strong feeling you're going to get some similar 'messages' [signs. omens, occurrences of such profound synchronistic nature for your self before too long...that you'll get to a point where you will suddenly realize that those mundane activities of yours of the most
You'll probably be saying just what I do before long when the subject comes up in confided conversation, "Me? Do I believe in miracles? Heck I not only believe in them I've witnessed more of them than anyone I know of will admit as to have ever dreamt of being possible in nature...never mind actually having seen even one.
