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Methods of chart interpretation

Hey, everyone.

I've been studying astrology for a long time now (almost two years). I know what all the planets, signs, and houses represent. But I really struggle with chart interpretation and even more with synchronization. Completing the puzzle of a chart reading. I really think Wilsontc's astro-sentence method is a great, simple method that works, but it seems like there are so many factors that go into a chart reading.

Take the sun in my chart, for instance. (Click on the thumbnail image of the chart in my signature in order to see my chart.) The sun is an easy planet to memorize. It basically represents identity, self-expression, and vitality. Being in Taurus, the sun shows:
  • I'm a patient, determined, placid, materialistic, possessive, and stubborn individual. I express myself slowly. My health is very enduring. [Sun in Taurus]
  • I identify with my home and parents. I also express myself through my home. I am able to express myself well to my parents. My home helps me "recharge my batteries." [Sun in fourth house]
  • In this case, I'd usually look at which house Leo, ruler of the sun, is on, but Leo is intercepted in the seventh house. For the sake of depth, let's assume Leo is the cusp of the seventh house.
  • That would show that I deal with a lot of people [seventh house] in my home [fourth house]. This is where things start to get confusing. Or my parents dealt with a lot of people. Factor in Taurus, and maybe the dealings were financial matters. The dealings proceded slowly.
  • I guess another way you could look at it is my spouse [seventh house] is approved by my parents [fourth house]. Wait, maybe they weren't approved by my parents. After all, the sun opposes Pluto. But it makes trines to Uranus and Neptune too, and a conjunction to Mercury! Okay, maybe it's more beneficially aspected after all....
  • And then there are the aspects. I find opposition to be very difficult to interpret. Sun opposition Pluto. Basically, you can see my identity/self-expression is unable to coexist with my need for power. What does that even mean? And then you have to take into account the signs of each planet, and the houses, and which houses each planet rules. It's really tough.
I guess what I'm looking for is some advice or explanation of how to interpret a natal chart. Maybe a small demonstration? I'm aware of the rule we have here at the AstrologyWeekly forums, so I'll make an effort to interpret my own chart, but please help me out. I think I have the potential to be a good astrologer, with Neptune and Uranus conj. Ascendant. And Neptune and Uranus trine Sun. Uranus is, of course, debateable as the significator of astrology, but I personally think it is. Sometimes I also think maybe I'm too young (15 years old) right now to fully grasp this deep science, as much as I hate to say that. Or maybe there's just something I don't understand. I don't want to shallowly interpret a natal chart... I want to be able to gather wonderful insights about other people.

Looking at my chart, which you can find in my signature. Just click on it to get a much bigger view. I'll just look at some of the key planets in my chart. I already attemped to look at the sun above, so I'll skip that one.

Moon in Sagittarius in eleventh house. Trine Venus. Trine Mars. Conjunct North Node.

Optimism, fun-loving, careless, blunt [Sagittarius] modifying emotions, instinctive reactions, mother [Moon] focused on friends, hopes, wishes [eleventh house].
  • Around friends, my emotions are generally happy (or optimistic), and I bluntly show my emotions.
  • I typically respond to situations in an optimistic, carefree, and blunt way.
  • I wish I were nurtured more. There's not much Sagittarius in that... just Moon and eleventh house.
  • I hope to be a father one day. (Moon represents motherhood, but I think general parenthood too.)
  • My mother is a fun-loving, optimistic, blunt, carefree person, who focused on her friends and dreams.
  • So, now my jovial, blunt emotions/reactions focused on friends and wishes is trining [ease, cooperation] Venus [love, affection, femininity] in Aries [impulsive, direct, selfish] in second house [money, possessions, self-esteem/worth]. Impulsive, direct, selfish love and direct affection, which are focused on self-esteem and money/possessions. And this is cooperating/ease with my jovial, blunt emotions and reactions focused on friends and wishes. Sorry, but what does that even mean?
  • My jovial, blunt emotions/reactions focused on friends and wishes is easing and cooperating with Mars [masculinity, energy, drive, anger, lust] in Leo [showy, dramatic, ambitious] in seventh house [other people, spouse, open enemies]. All I can really think of, for both Moon trine Mars and Moon trine Venus, is that both of the traits in each aspect can co-exist with each other.... and co-operate to form something, but I don't know what that something is...
  • My jovial, blunt emotions/reactions focused on friends and wishes are combined with what I must develop in this lifetime. Actually... this shouldn't be too hard. I really need to cultivate my emotions and optimism in this lifetime. And I really ought to focus on friends and fulfilling my hopes and dreams.
I suppose I'll try the Ascendant too.

Practical, ambitious, disciplined, reserved, pessimistic, fatalistic, over-conventional [Capricorn] modifying outlook on life, first impression on others, how you act toward others [Ascendant].

  • I look at life pessimistically, conventionally, and fatalistically.
  • My first impression on others is that I'm a practical, ambitious, reserved, pessimistic, conventional person.
  • I act in a disciplined, reserved, and conventional manner toward others.
  • Neptune conjunct Ascendant. I look at life with rose-colored glasses... and I see an illusion instead of the real thing. My first impression on others is that I'm an unrealistic dreams, who can see the good in everyone. Also, because Neptune rules the second house, money, possessions, and self-esteem are very important to me.
  • Uranus conjunct Ascendant. I look at life more differently than most people. My first impression on others is that I'm ingenius, rebellious, and unpredictable.
  • Sun Trine Ascendant. My identity and self-expression are at ease with/cooperating with my Ascenant... I guess my sun sign is rather obvious to others... I act Taurean.
  • Pluto sextile Ascendant. I have the opportunity [big sextile word] to easily transform or rebirth my life.
A lot of things contradict each other. Looking at life pessimistically [Capricorn] and with rose-colored glasses on [Neptune]. First impression on others is that I'm practical [Capricorn] and unrealistic [Neptune]. I don't know. And is it me, or does it seem robotic? I don't know how to synchronise it and to make it into a flowing chart reading.
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Re: Help with Reading my Chart, Please

Hi Epsilon,

Simple as it all looks when you read the attributes of each sign/planet individually, the challenge lies in connecting it all to complete the puzzle and see what sort of a picture appears in entirety on the surface of the puzzle.

Taking the example of your ascendant (self-image and how the world sees you) which is Capricorn, one can say that you do come across as an ambitious, disciplined and reserved individual at first sight; but, to these qualities, get *added* those of Neptune and Uranus, as both planets, due to their close proximity to your Asc, co-rule it. Therefore, the difference between somebody who only has a Cap Asc, without these planets on it, and yourself is that this person would come across as quite a strong/pure Capricorn, whilst you come across as one with Cap qualities (conventional, realistic), but which are mingled with some Uranian (un-conventional, unpredictable..) and Neptunian (dreamy, un-realistic..) ones (a bit of a cocktail, you see). Then there are also aspects to consider, so, keeping to your Asc, we see that it is sextiled by Pluto, which means that the Plutonic qualities get added on to your Capricornian+Neptunian+Uranian Asc. However, since a sextile (minor supporting energies) is not as powerful as a conjunction (energies synergise), it gets measured a point lower on the astrological yardstick. Therefore, when you start with the basics: Sun, Asc, and then move on, more and more keeps getting *added* due to aspects, etc; so, basically, a chart becomes an aggregate of signs, planets, houses and aspects, and where nothing can be taken singularly. This is also the basic difference between people, who study Astrology; and those, who are only able to identify themselves with/understand Sun Signs. A Taurean is never only a Taurean (practical, patient, stubborn..), but much more complex.

Start out by studying what each planet stands for: eg Sun=conscious and basic personality/being. Then see in which sign it falls: eg Taurus => Sun becomes basically Taurean in nature pragmatism, patience..; move on then to the house this Sun is located in: eg fourth => family/home is the area of life, which is your main focus; then begin to see which other planets are connected to your Sun through aspects: eg Sun trine Neptune => how your basic personality takes on Neptunian qualities= compassion, spirituality, also easy faith and trust (seeing things through rose-coloured glasses)...., and since the aspect is that of a trine=> energies of Sun and Neptune easily combine or intermingle with eachother, so your Taurus Sun becomes quite a fair bit Neptunian in character. This way you can go on and on, and see what else affects your Sun, and you see that Sun is also trined by Uranus- but the orb (orb=next thing to consider) is a less stronger one than that between Sun & Nep; this shows you that the effect of Nep on your Taurus Sun is much stronger through a 3°orb than that of Uranus through a 5° orb.


Hope this helps you put together your astrological puzzle.
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Hello Epsilon! I must congratulate you on your great effort here to interprete your chart. This thread is also very helpful to anyone else struggling with this problem of synthesizing.
You were puzzled by this:
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So, now my jovial, blunt emotions/reactions focused on friends and wishes is trining [ease, cooperation] Venus [love, affection, femininity] in Aries [impulsive, direct, selfish] in second house [money, possessions, self-esteem/worth]. Impulsive, direct, selfish love and direct affection, which are focused on self-esteem and money/possessions. And this is cooperating/ease with my jovial, blunt emotions and reactions focused on friends and wishes. Sorry, but what does that even mean?
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My jovial, blunt emotions/reactions focused on friends and wishes is easing and cooperating with Mars [masculinity, energy, drive, anger, lust] in Leo [showy, dramatic, ambitious] in seventh house [other people, spouse, open enemies]. All I can really think of, for both Moon trine Mars and Moon trine Venus, is that both of the traits in each aspect can co-exist with each other.... and co-operate to form something, but I don't know what that something is...

Mars square Mercury shows a sharp mind and a direct way of telling others what you think.
As you can see from your natal chart, Moon, Mars and Venus are forming a
Grand Trine and the trine is between your 11th, 7th and 2nd houses, in other words, Friends, others and your selfworth /finances.
Now, you can look at astrology from a mundane and from a psychological perspective. I use the latter to figure out how a person is or could be as a person and the mundane part to explain the income potential (2nd), the aspirations, group potential (11th) and what could be expected in relationships (7th).
As you see, all three work well together but each one has a particular other aspect they have to deal with which are:
1. the opposition from Venus to Jupiter
2. the inconjunct from Moon to Sun
3. the square from Mars to Mercury

These more difficult aspects are very necessary for you to spurr on that "lazy" trine. Trines can be too easy for an individual at times and result in less effort and input because things just seem to be presented on a silver platter.

OK, the trine between these 3 houses show that relationships seem to be a very enjoyable and also necessary issue in your life. Moon signifies your emotional feelings and where you feel most at ease. This is in the 11th house, i.o.w. amidst friends. Moon rules your 7th house, so all relationships, business as well as intimate one's play a very prominent role in helping you to feel secure (Moon). When others are nice to you and your relationship with them is OK, your self-esteem is boosted, you feel more confident (Venus in 2nd and ruler of Venus, Mars, in trine to Moon).
You could go to extremes to please others, shown by Jupiter (ruler of your Moon) in opposition to Venus (ruler of your Sun). Probably a way of doing this is maybe giving very nice presents to your friends (looks like you could be a big spender, also for yourself) or inviting them to your home (Sun in 4), in short, doing a lot of things to please others so that you will remain in their good books.This could well be shown by the "selfish" side of Venus in Aries.

Then you said:

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and co-operate to form something, but I don't know what that something is...
I think that this is the purpose of that co-operation, that deep down this being nice and co-operative with everybody, is your way of obtaining emotional satisfaction and security.

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A lot of things contradict each other. Looking at life pessimistically [Capricorn] and with rose-colored glasses on [Neptune]. First impression on others is that I'm practical [Capricorn] and unrealistic [Neptune]. I don't know. And is it me, or does it seem robotic? I don't know how to synchronise it and to make it into a flowing chart reading.
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First that Saturn, ruler of your Ascendant. It is not pessimistic at all, if anything it shows that you can be very creative and able to transform ideas into reality. Saturn is in mutual reception with Uranus, they very much sustain one another. Unpredictable?? I dont think so either. Uranus is very well aspected by your Sun. Again, I think people might see you as very special. Different yes, but this can be very interesting.

Now that square to Pluto and Pluto in the 10th opposing your Sun, shows you can be quite dominant and intens and people will (sometimes be forced) to listen to you. It can show power issues you could have with authority and one of your parents, probably the father, but nothing that you could not resolve as seen by the sextile to Pluto and the trine to the Sun from Uranus.

Neptune in Capricorn is not as vague and unrealistic as when situated in Sagittarius for instance. Capricorn will keep you with your feet on the ground as does the trine to earthy Sun in Taurus.

You could indeed be a good astrologer if you ask me.
I hope this has given you a bit of insight on how things can work together.

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I really struggle with chart interpretation and even more with synchronization. Completing the puzzle of a chart reading. I really think Wilsontc's astro-sentence method is a great, simple method that works...
  • [to understand the 4th house] In this case, I'd usually look at which house Leo, ruler of the sun, is on...
  • And then there are the aspects. I find opposition to be very difficult to interpret. Sun opposition Pluto. Basically, you can see my identity/self-expression is unable to coexist with my need for power. What does that even mean? And then you have to take into account the signs of each planet, and the houses, and which houses each planet rules. It's really tough.

I guess what I'm looking for is some advice or explanation of how to interpret a natal chart. Maybe a small demonstration?...is it me, or does it seem robotic? I don't know how to synchronise it and to make it into a flowing chart reading.
I'm pleased that the astro-sentence method has helped you out in chart interpretation. Although I know you have already done this step, as a reminder, it is also important to see how inside world/outside world and self/other "balances out" in your chart. You have 6 planets in or near the bottom (inside world) and 6 planets in or near the top (outside world) in your chart, so you are "balanced" between focusing on the inside and the outside world. You have 8 planets in or near the left (self) side of your chart and 2 planets on the right (other) side of the chart, so you focus more on yourself than on others. And since you have more planets in or near the bottom (inner world) left (self) side of your chart, you use your self-awareness to examine your inner world. So astrology becomes a tool of "self-discovery". As you remember from Step 5 of the basic astrology website (link attached below this post), the opposition is an aspect of "over-excitement" so Sun (self-expression) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Pluto (transformation, also power) indicates that the Sun energy "excites" the Pluto energy and the Pluto energy "excites" the Sun energy. The result is they are both very strong and both "pulling in opposite directions" - the result is a kind of "tug of war" between self-expression and power. Richard Nixon also had this in his chart (and you might want to research his power issues if you don't recognize the name). The challenge with challenging Pluto aspects is to learn to SHARE power.

That is the basics of the intro to astrology website and you have done very well with it. Another tool you can use to quickly get the "big picture" of your chart is chart patterns. You have a "splash chart", so you scatter your energy into a lot of different projects. More about the splash chart here:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Splash.htm

Also look for planets which are close to the four points (Ascendant, Descendant, Midheaven, and IC). You have planets close to your Ascendant (self) and IC (inner world), so you have a strong self-focus and inner world focus.

Another very useful tool to get a "quick read" on where the focuses are in the astrological chart are aspect patterns. The Grand Trine has already been mentioned (although personally I think the Moon Mars trine might be a little too wide to be a "real" Grand Trine). You have an Easy Opposition (sometimes called a "wedge") to your Ascendant (self), further indicating the importance of "self" in your life:
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology...le_wedge.shtml

You have another Easy Opposition to Mars (being, also action, anger) in the 7th house (relationships), which indicates a need to be active in relationships but also warns of possible anger issues in relationships.

And here's something about rulerships of houses. The house ruler is the planet which rules the sign on the CUSP of the house. So if you want to find the house ruler of the 4th house, you don't look to see where the ruler of the Sun in the 4th house is: instead, you look to see what is the sign on the cusp of the 4th house. The sign on the cusp of the 4th house is Taurus (ruled by Venus). So you look to see where VENUS is in the chart. Venus is in the 2nd house (physical, also personal values/money). This suggests when you focus on your home (4th house), you are concerned about your personal values and your money (2nd house, where the planetary ruler of the 4th house is). I find house rulerships make the chart too complex for easy interpretation, but many astrologers use house rulership with good results. More on house rulership here:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/r...sinhouses.html

I also like to look for least aspected planets (planets with no or only one aspect to other planets). In your chart, you have two least aspected planets: Saturn (duty, also structure, restriction) and Moon (home, also emotions). Least aspected planets are energies you do not "connect into" so you may OVERdo these energies. So you may OVERdo your structuring (leading to restriction) or your home/emotional issues (leading to emotional upsets). Remember a little of these planetary energies goes a LONG way. More here on unaspected/least aspect planets:
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/as...tedplanets.htm

And look for planets at 29 or 0 degrees in the chart, since these planetary energies will be strong in the chart. In your chart, that's Saturn. More on the power of 29 degrees (and 0 deegree) planets here:
http://karma.astrology.com/anaretic.html

And that should help you out on "looking over" future charts! Happy astrologizing!

Happily astrological,

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The content on this thread is both comprehensive and helpful to anyone engaged in the study of natal astrology - and Epsilon appears to be more than capable of absorbing/llearning from the extensive advice given here.

But, after 2 years of studying, this feedback would have caused "information overload" for me. So, with hindsight (and for the future), I wonder if it might have been better to catagorise comments. For example (quoting from "How to Write an Astrological Synthesis" by Terry Dwyer) :-

1. Knowing which chart factors to use.
2. Attaching the right degree of importance to each factor.
3. Finding the right interpretation for each factor.
4. Reconciling contradictions.
5. Placing the right degree of emphasis or weighting on different traits.
6. Wording the synthesised notes into coherent/useful sentences.
7. Arranging the sentences in a logical and meaningful sequence.

Of course, the information relating to each of these catagories is already on the thread - but would such categorisation have made it be easier to assimilate?

Overloaded with useful advice from experienced astrologers.

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Three most important things in a natal chart are Asc, Sun sign and moon sign, where is the chart ruler Asc deposited and two or more planets in a house.

Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.

So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....

Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...

Now considering i teach and lecture on Equal house (the oldest and most reliable and traditional) your Sun/Mercury are both in 4th house of Cancer, therefore like myself you will prob fight to the death for family, energy will always go to and from 4th house.

Your Asc ruler Saturn is in 2nd house, quite often there is a fear of poverty here, and the square to Pluto will give ambition, structure and depth and strength

Your Pluto in 11th house is a bit of a loner. Venus in 3rd house opp Neptune in 9th. Lots pleasure from communications, learning, very direct and to the point but bit over the top cos of opp to Jupiter.

Jupiter how you expand and grow could well be through travel, studying, the law and 9th house matters.
Mars in 7th house well aspected with a trine to venus, suggest rather lively partners

Uranus in the 1st wants to appear different physically somehow. With these two planets SO close was there anything unsual about the birth? When you were 1year old for example when SA Asc conj Uranus, was there any accidents? Was your mother on drugs just before the birth?

Aspects are internal things that split up and compartmentalise your personality, by describing facets if you like of why and how you behave the way you do.....

Angular houses are like shop windows, always visable to others, but suceedant houses the energy of the planets are in the shop stood behind the counter and cadent houses are in the back storeroom only coming out in case of emergency and a passing trigger/transit.


So please look and evaluate for yourself the value of different House systems, thankfully the house meanings are unilateral.

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i found your explanations very helpful since i ''struggle'' with the same issue as epsilon. i studied all the basic things and now i stare at the chart trying to write the ''story''.. it s like i have the necessary words without the linking ones..
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The methods I use differ somewhat from what other astrologers here use. If you have a good grasp of Planetary energies, Sign modifications of those energies, the topics that the Houses cover, and the flow the Aspects describe, my methods might be helpful to you.

First off, I don’t look at Sun/Moon/Ascendant first (at least not as has been described earlier).

The first thing I look at is the Ascendant and its Domicile ruler – and that planets condition and dispositor. If the Ascendant Domicile ruler is not in it’s Own Domicile, I follow it to what I call the chart Root – the planet or planets that the chart disposes to.

For example, If Virgo is rising, and Mercury is placed in Capricorn, and Saturn is placed in Scorpio and Mars is placed in Aries, Mars would be the Root of that particular placement – and possibly of the entire chart.

You can read the article I posted here for more detailed information about using Dispositors and Chart Roots:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17099

I don’t immediately look at the Sun and the Moon because they might not be the most prominent Planet in a specific chart. What I do look for though is whether it is a Day or Night chart. In my opinion, the Moon will be more important in a Night chart (Sun below the Horizon). Both the Moon and the Sun can have difficulty when it comes to Essential Dignities – Unless the Sun is in Leo or Aries or (in a Day chart Sagittarius), it’s not going to be very Dignified. Unless the Moon is in Cancer or Taurus (or in a Night chart) in an Earth sign, it also wouldn’t be high in Dignity.

I would also look at Planets close to the Angles - they will be pivotal in a native’s life – whether for good or ill, depending on their condition. Even planets in the Cadent houses – because those will Solar Arc direct to the Angles fairly early in life and color the native’s personality, outlook, and tendencies for the rest of his or her life.

In my opinion, Midpoints should also be considered, especially the MC/Ascendant midpoint if there are any planets equal it by 45-degree multiple aspects.

Also check declination, for Planets in high focus there – either at 0 degrees declination or out-of-bounds.

Once you have a grasp on what the basic energy level of each planet is, then you can go though the topics associated with each house, and how the Domicile ruler of the sign on the cusp affects it by dignity and aspect.

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I use the Almuten method, working from the strongest planet to the weakest. By the time the calculations are done and all things have been taken into consideration it's easy to see what needs to be said and what doesn't. When all planets have been examined, from everything from speed to placing, from aspect to motion, from rulership to house positiom things become quiet clear as to where the weight lies within the chart. Naturally the Asc./Moon/Sun play a large roll. Also I use tight orbs, and only allow for wider orbs if the orb is increasing and applying. If I may use an example of someone I know. The Almuten gave the following insight. A kind and powerful person, a real go-getter. So in his chart my foundation was built on the Sun, Venus, Mars and Pluto. I am constantly checking to see if the weighing system holds true and if it coincides with the interpretation of the chart of the person.

Almuten

Sun 37.8
Moon 2.7
Mercury -4
Venus 37.88
Mars 35.32
Jupiter 16.02
Saturn 16.99
Uranus 11.83
Neptune 22.45
Pluto 29.41

Ibn Ezra

Sun 26
Moon 31
Mercury 11
Venus 27
Mars 33
Saturn 15
Jupiter 18

Ptolemy

Sun 4
Moon 4
Mercury -5
Venus -5
Mars 5
Saturn 4
Jupiter 6

Dorothean/Egyptian

Sun 4
Moon 4
Mercury -5
Venus -5
Mars 5
Saturn 4
Jupiter 6
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To test the accuracy of the birth chart, I go straight to the Asc/1st house figurre. In order for this chart to accurately reflect you, you must be a person who is managerial and takes charge, with a life emphasis of promoting self to others, at times to irritating effect. This is because of the Cardinal sign, Capricorn, on the Asc, which takes control tacitly, but confidently, plus an interception of signs in the 1st-7th, which further emphasizes promoting yourself to others. With Mars in the 7th, squaring Mercury, this will irritate others at times, but you should be able to smooth this out normally. This chart would be excellent for an independent salesperson. If you're not the kind of person who can sell anything to nearly anyone, then this chart needs adjusting.

Start with this... What's the chart ruler supposed to be? Saturn. Where is it? Aquarius in 1st house. This puts emphasis on YOU in a group mind or collective-mindedness. You in control. Managerial, together, etc.

The interception of signs in 1st-7th creates an emphasis that would be there even if no planets were. This is the chart of an outside-the-box executive. Are you?
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Many of these posts are focusing on meanings that are based upon subjective/objective personal self image or psychological interpretation, but what if you want to know something concrete in the external objective world and have already figured out who you are in relation to the rest of the world?

There is a method (actually several) by Vettius Valens for predicting the concrete particular (such as a man has red hair, gets married at age 27, founds a successful business at 38, becomes widely recognized or famous at 51, etc). Valens wrote the Anthology nearly 1900 years ago in classical Greek and it has been translated by a number of scholars.

The first thing that Valens ascertains is the chart support or eminence of the native by taking the Sun's position by day or the Moon's position by night and looking at the condition of the 3 trigon lords based upon the signs they are in and whether they are in angular, succeedent or cadent houses. Valens used the whole sign house system. If these 3 planets were found to be angular and in their own domiciles, exaltations, etc then the chart was said to have great support and the planets Mars and Saturn will behave differently if they turn malefic (meaning that in a situation such as Watergate, that Nixon's aides took the blame before Nixon fell). If the planets were succeedent for the most part, then it is a middling condition and if they fell cadent and not in their own places, then life is difficult for the most part. Of course this is very general and there are ways to get a more exact idea of where the difficulties lie because we all usually have different kinds of things going on in different areas as described by the houses.

I can't go into the whole of the method of Valens here, but there is one technique that stands out above the others that is easily verifiable and would be useful even for novices known as Zodiacal Releasing (aphesis in Greek). Valens says that if the domicile lord of Spirit happens to be in the 10th sign counting from the lot of fortune, or if the 10th from fortune happens to be fortunate by having planets in their own domicile or exaltation, then when that sign has the timelordship, that is when they will become famous and what they do in that period is often what they are known for.

For example, John Travolta has the lot of fortune in Aquarius which makes Scorpio the 10th sign counting from fortune. He has the lot of spirit in Capricorn which means that Saturn is the domicile lord for spirit. Because Travolta has Saturn in Scorpio, we know before hand that when he reaches his Scorpio period that he will be famous and what he does during that time is what he is known for. Travolta is most known for his roles in Saturday Night Fever, Grease and Pulp fiction. Guess what? He was in a Scorpio period during the production and release of these three movies (first in 1977-78 and again in 1993-94).

Einstein was in a Mars Capricorn 10th period when general relativity was confirmed and he became the most famous scientist in the world. Hitler went into his 10th from fortune period and one day later the Nazi party took 108 seats in parliament.

We have been finding this to be a very reliable technique to find when career shifts occur and when one is most effective and for eminent nativities, when they become famous or when there is trouble for reputation.
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Hi Epsilon

A lot has already been said on individual approaches. It's great to see people sharing freely. Take your time to absorb it all my friend.

I would only add that at 15 years of age, you are going fantastic in terms of getting your head across all the different areas. Don't be too hard on yourself, life is long and there are many experiences and wisdom to be gleamed along the way.

As you travel your path you will learn things about yourself, reflect on your energies - and observe other peoples vibes. You remind me a lot of myself when I was your age - i too have Sun (Pisces) in fourth house. This placement indicates one who will use their life to get to the roots of their existence. And by this I mean even beyond the powers of astrology! At this level we get to the nothingness of consciousness, the spirit in each of us which is beyond name, body and belief. It's a honour to have the sun in fourth house i have found.

We all remain 'students' in one sense when in comes to knowing ourselves. But this is the doorway to reading other peoples charts. Know your own chart deeply and honestly. Then one day you will take a chance, be courageous enough and begin to piece it all together. Try not to get too trapped in the conceptual understanding, stay in touch with your intuition, which leads to your third eye being opened (uranus conjunct ascendant helps here) - as this continues you will be able to channel insights about peoples charts.

Observations will come in a series of gradual developments, and for you with Mercury in Taurus, seeing something, touching your chart, writing on it in the privacy of your own space - will all allow you to understand not only the mechanics of astrology, but also allow you to perceive deeply without any 'tools'.

One last thing, your North Node Sag in 11th house - well, what can i say about this...no wonder you sense you'll be a great astrologer one day, with this North Node it's very likely my friend. Keep your perspective, feed your enthusiasm, and share with other experienced collegues & friends (like on this site!)

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Many of these posts are focusing on meanings that are based upon subjective/objective personal self image or psychological interpretation, but what if you want to know something concrete in the external objective world and have already figured out who you are in relation to the rest of the world?

There is a method (actually several) by Vettius Valens for predicting the concrete particular (such as a man has red hair, gets married at age 27, founds a successful business at 38, becomes widely recognized or famous at 51, etc). Valens wrote the Anthology nearly 1900 years ago in classical Greek and it has been translated by a number of scholars.

sounds like you are exclusively using Traditional methods for divination.....

House systems Traditional v Modern
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8463
Traditional astrologers using ancient outdated information (unproven) that hardly seems relevant in a modern world
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21385

I think POF and Lots are interesting, but I would not use them exclusively for divination purposes....

POF
http://www.astrotherapy.eu/ParsFortunae.htm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-5210.html

“However, in the case of both significations one must keep in mind that no one indication in the chart, not even the Part of Fortune, can be taken by itself as a total indicator of any area of life. For health one must also look at the Ascendant, its ruler, the Moon and its ruler. Also the sixth and eighth houses as indicators of illness and death respectively have strong indications for health. For material prosperity one should also look at the second house, the tenth house, and their rulers.”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm

“The fortune indicated by this part is not necessarily materialistic or even tangible, though it can be. It depends on the sign and house location of the Part of Fortune. The benefit can be on the physical, intellectual, emotional, and/or spiritual plane of experience. In all cases it is through the cultivation and expression of this point that one will experience harmony and a sense of well-being.”
http://www.astroresources.com/fortune.htm

“The Part of Fortune represents worldly success, and is associated with the physical body and health as well. It can be indicative of the career or vocation. Worldly success and prosperity are associated with the Part of Fortune, and both its sign and house placement suggests innate abilities and talents--areas of life and qualities that are expressed naturally.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html
just found a site for calculating this and many more Parts or Lots --
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php


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"Some formulas listed here have both an AM and PM version. The PM version is a reverse of the AM version and when indicated, persons born in the daytime (Sun in 7th - 12th houses) should use the AM formula while persons born in the evening (Sun in 1st - 6th houses) should use the PM formula. Sometimes it's best to try both formulas."
Check the placement of the Sun in the chart, it must be sensibly placed relative to the horizon for the given time of day. For a day birth, the Sun must be above the horizon.

From astro.com explanations on POF
We use different formulae for Pars Fortunae for a day birth than for a night birth. You can change this rule with an option in the extended chart selection.
The day formula is: ASC + Moon - Sun
The night formula: ASC + Sun - Moon
Astrologers differ in their views about which formula to use for Pars Fortunae.
If you're interested in in-depth information, please read the article "The Lot or Part of Fortune" by Robert Hand in our "Understanding Astrology" section.
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"Some formulas listed here have both an AM and PM version. The PM version is a reverse of the AM version and when indicated, persons born in the daytime (Sun in 7th - 12th houses) should use the AM formula while persons born in the evening (Sun in 1st - 6th houses) should use the PM formula. Sometimes it's best to try both formulas."
I've already accounted for these variations in the software that I wrote (Delphic Oracle and Timaeus). Valens says that "frequently Fortune becomes Spirit and vice versa". He also had the opinion that one should only use the nocturnal formula if the Moon was above the horizon... Most of this stuff has to do with how "chrematistikos" (telling or busy) a position is as Valens would say.
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sounds like you are exclusively using Traditional methods for divination.....
Nope. I'm good friends with Steven Forrest and have been practicing psychological astrology since 1975. Steven Forrest says that we should be building bridges between the various schools of thought. I have written about how this might be done and starting with the material of Rhetorius and the myth of Ur that Schmidt relayed to me once, I had an insight about the path of souls based upon the thema mundi and what Evolutionary astrologers say about the nodal axis:

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-f...ary-astro.html

When the demiurge created the cosmos, the 4 elements were constantly changing into each other so that you could not point to something and say that it is a "such and such". This is where the Moon comes in to bring stability through the Khora (this is in Plato's Timaeus) so that manifestation can happen in the sub-lunary sphere. What this means is that when dealing with the material realm a decision (or many decisions in actuality) have to be made for something to have a material reality, but in the realm of spirit, everything has the ability to change from one reality to another. This is why synthesis works better than analysis in the spiritual realm (and therefore also in spiritual/psychological astrology), but the material realm prefers analysis and lines to be drawn so that one can say "this and not that".

When dealing with the concrete particular, these older techniques seem to work better, but the problem is that they do horribly at finding the meaning of spiritual matters by themselves and that is because the material realm is not where spirit resides. This would be a long exposition as to proofs but the reality is that each branch of astrology complements the other. Some get into the idea of fate in the traditional area, but there are many opinions on this and I am of the opinion that the fate concept should be demoted to the realm of the material causes of Aristotle rather than the efficient cause which the Stoics would prefer (Robert Schmidt says that the Hellenistic system was actually based upon material causes which means that absolute fate is impossible). If we actually choose the life of a Tyrant, Merchant, Farmer, etc, (as the Myth of Ur suggests) then attendant conditions would have to be met to be able to live out the chosen life after passing through the waters of forgetfulness, but that does not mean that what happens is rigidly controlled and can't be modified. I heard Demetra George (Eugene, Oregon) say one time that there are many choices, but they all lead to the same destination. It is the manner in how we get there where there is latitude.
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“However, in the case of both significations one must keep in mind that no one indication in the chart, not even the Part of Fortune, can be taken by itself as a total indicator of any area of life...
In eminent nativities a pattern can be seen more clearly using just one point such as this which is why I used the above examples. However, you shouldn't do this without understanding the dynamics of the natal configuration because in many cases there will be exceptions. What I posted above is really an extremely condensed version of the overall method that involves far more than looking at the part of fortune (spirit lord in the 10th from fortune and angular trigon lords for example give a hint as to the magnitude of the effect varying from employee of the month to leader of a nation).

In the Hellenistic area, there are 3 basic realms to consider: the zodiacal realm, the planetary realm and the terrestrial realm. The lots and houses are on the terrestrial realm and deals most closely in the realm of the concrete particular at the final level of decisions where potential passes from the possible to the determined. The planetary and starry realms deal more with potentials and set the boundaries of the possible.
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Many of these posts are focusing on meanings that are based upon subjective/objective personal self image or psychological interpretation, but what if you want to know something concrete in the external objective world and have already figured out who you are in relation to the rest of the world?

There is a method (actually several) by Vettius Valens for predicting the concrete particular (such as a man has red hair, gets married at age 27, founds a successful business at 38, becomes widely recognized or famous at 51, etc). Valens wrote the Anthology nearly 1900 years ago in classical Greek and it has been translated by a number of scholars.

The first thing that Valens ascertains is the chart support or eminence of the native by taking the Sun's position by day or the Moon's position by night and looking at the condition of the 3 trigon lords based upon the signs they are in and whether they are in angular, succeedent or cadent houses. Valens used the whole sign house system. If these 3 planets were found to be angular and in their own domiciles, exaltations, etc then the chart was said to have great support and the planets Mars and Saturn will behave differently if they turn malefic (meaning that in a situation such as Watergate, that Nixon's aides took the blame before Nixon fell). If the planets were succeedent for the most part, then it is a middling condition and if they fell cadent and not in their own places, then life is difficult for the most part. Of course this is very general and there are ways to get a more exact idea of where the difficulties lie because we all usually have different kinds of things going on in different areas as described by the houses.

I can't go into the whole of the method of Valens here, but there is one technique that stands out above the others that is easily verifiable and would be useful even for novices known as Zodiacal Releasing (aphesis in Greek). Valens says that if the domicile lord of Spirit happens to be in the 10th sign counting from the lot of fortune, or if the 10th from fortune happens to be fortunate by having planets in their own domicile or exaltation, then when that sign has the timelordship, that is when they will become famous and what they do in that period is often what they are known for.

For example, John Travolta has the lot of fortune in Aquarius which makes Scorpio the 10th sign counting from fortune. He has the lot of spirit in Capricorn which means that Saturn is the domicile lord for spirit. Because Travolta has Saturn in Scorpio, we know before hand that when he reaches his Scorpio period that he will be famous and what he does during that time is what he is known for. Travolta is most known for his roles in Saturday Night Fever, Grease and Pulp fiction. Guess what? He was in a Scorpio period during the production and release of these three movies (first in 1977-78 and again in 1993-94).

Einstein was in a Mars Capricorn 10th period when general relativity was confirmed and he became the most famous scientist in the world. Hitler went into his 10th from fortune period and one day later the Nazi party took 108 seats in parliament.

We have been finding this to be a very reliable technique to find when career shifts occur and when one is most effective and for eminent nativities, when they become famous or when there is trouble for reputation.
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I explained the basics here:

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-f...l-aphesis.html

The lengths of time are determined by the circular periods of the planets (rulers) of the signs and go in zodiacal order so if Aries is where spirit is, because Mars is ruler it gives 15 years, then Venus which is 8 years gives that to Taurus, Gemini, because of Mercury gets 20, etc...
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Many of these posts are focusing on meanings that are based upon subjective/objective personal self image or psychological interpretation, but what if you want to know something concrete in the external objective world and have already figured out who you are in relation to the rest of the world?
There is a method


(actually several)


by Vettius Valens


for predicting the concrete particular (such as a man has red hair, gets married at age 27, founds a successful business at 38, becomes widely recognized or famous at 51, etc). Valens wrote the Anthology nearly 1900 years ago in classical Greek and it has been translated by a number of scholars.






https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf






The first thing that Valens ascertains is the chart support or eminence of the native by taking the Sun's position by day or the Moon's position by night and looking at the condition of the 3 trigon lords based upon the signs they are in and whether they are in angular, succeedent or cadent houses. Valens used the whole sign house system. If these 3 planets were found to be angular and in their own domiciles, exaltations, etc then the chart was said to have great support and the planets Mars and Saturn will behave differently if they turn malefic (meaning that in a situation such as Watergate, that Nixon's aides took the blame before Nixon fell). If the planets were succeedent for the most part, then it is a middling condition and if they fell cadent and not in their own places, then life is difficult for the most part. Of course this is very general and there are ways to get a more exact idea of where the difficulties lie because we all usually have different kinds of things going on in different areas as described by the houses.

I can't go into the whole of the method of Valens here, but there is one technique that stands out above the others that is easily verifiable and would be useful even for novices known as Zodiacal Releasing (aphesis in Greek). Valens says that if the domicile lord of Spirit happens to be in the 10th sign counting from the lot of fortune, or if the 10th from fortune happens to be fortunate by having planets in their own domicile or exaltation, then when that sign has the timelordship, that is when they will become famous and what they do in that period is often what they are known for.

For example, John Travolta has the lot of fortune in Aquarius which makes Scorpio the 10th sign counting from fortune. He has the lot of spirit in Capricorn which means that Saturn is the domicile lord for spirit. Because Travolta has Saturn in Scorpio, we know before hand that when he reaches his Scorpio period that he will be famous and what he does during that time is what he is known for. Travolta is most known for his roles in Saturday Night Fever, Grease and Pulp fiction. Guess what? He was in a Scorpio period during the production and release of these three movies (first in 1977-78 and again in 1993-94).

Einstein was in a Mars Capricorn 10th period when general relativity was confirmed and he became the most famous scientist in the world. Hitler went into his 10th from fortune period and one day later the Nazi party took 108 seats in parliament.

We have been finding this to be a very reliable technique to find when career shifts occur and when one is most effective and for eminent nativities, when they become famous or when there is trouble for reputation.

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...767#post920767


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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part IV - Nativities

1. On the Length of Life
In all nativities, the Lightbringer is Predominator if it is operative.
If it is not, the other Light is Predominator if it is operative.
If both Lights are inoperative, the Hour-Marker is Predominator.

As soon as you determine the Releaser, look at the degrees and rays of the killing stars and from the rising times find the evident length of life. The killing degrees and rays are the presence, tetragon and diameter of Saturn, Mars, Sun and Moon. If Jupiter and Venus intervene with their presence and rays in proximity to the killing degrees, they repudiate the previous testimony. And Mercury neither destroys nor intervenes with its presence and rays.

For short-lived nativities, the nearest bound, degree or ray of a bad star will indicate the length of life. For long-lived nativities, one must carefully examine the bounds of bad and inoperative stars following the 90th degree, and the greater recurrence years of the Master of the Nativity. Release the Predominator through the bounds, giving the year for every ascensional degree. Examine the bound rulers, whether benefic or malefic, and whether favorably placed or unfavorably placed.

Investigate the presence and rays of the stars. The good and operative stars are indicative of good health and elevation, while the bad and inoperative stars are indicative of infirmities, accusations and eventually the end of life, which is revealed by the vitality and eminence of the nativity. The vital sector derived from the rising times forecasts the limit of the entire length of life. Then if it allots the living times, it also seems to control the auspicious and inauspicious times.

One must take into account the seven keys and the general signs of the biological systems. The distance from which the good stars intervene depends on the combined biological indications. And if the health indications are poor, the good gods will not intervene at all, especially with the chronocratorship of inoperative and bad stars. Accusation indicates the illness and primary cause of death, but Fortune also takes that role when unfavorably placed.

And if the stars or images which indicate infirmity are present, tetragon and diameter with Saturn and Mars, the disease which befalls the nativity will be untreatable. But if Jupiter and Venus are present and configured, the native can be cured by medicine and by the help of the gods. In every case it is necessary to examine the appearance and the conception, for the difference of a degree can change an unviable nativity to a long-lived one.

One must understand that the length may always be cut prematurely if the native takes part in the threatening universals. Thus one must investigate the universal indication of the given area of the nativity. One needs to work with the signs of the gods and with empirical precision, going from a chronocrator to a chronocrator, delineating all important events in succession.

Investigate the Master of the Nativity, the bound houseruler of the Predominator. The beginning, the main, the end, the measurement standard of the whole nativity is the Master. It makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of livelihood he will have, what appearance or health one will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor advancement, will come to anyone.

When the Lightbringer is ascending, exalted and attended by the benefics, it will allot the greater recurrence years. When the Master of the Nativity is ascending and favorably placed, it will allot the greater recurrence years, but when it is unfavorably placed, it will allot the recurrence years.

2. On Appearance
When the Hour-Marker, the Sun and the Moon become masculine and ruled by masculine stars, men are born, and when they become feminine and ruled by feminine stars, women are born. If the dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker, the Sun and the Moon are masculine, men are born.

If the Hour-Marker and the Lights are with quadrupedal images, and the malefics are ascending to the degree, the nativity will have congenital disorders, but if Jupiter and Venus are configured to the Hour-Marker, they make nativities viable of livelihood. In such cases, the Lot of Fortune will indicate the infirmity. Cancer and Scorpio cause polymelia. Cancer, Pisces and Taurus cause aplasia. Saturn, Venus and Mercury cause sexual development disorders. But if the Hour-Marker and the Lights are with human images and rising alongside, they make the nativity belong to one of the human race, healthy and intelligent.

Make judgement of appearance with the Hour-Marker, the Moon and the Master of the Nativity. Changeable images indicate nativities fitted for dealing with the people, fond of turbulence and political activity, glory-seeking, attentive to the gods, noble, mobile, inquisitive, inventive, good at conjecture, and fitted for divination. Solid images signify just nativities, unaffected by flattery, persistent, firm, intelligent, patient, industrious, stern, self-controlled, tenacious of grudges, extortionate, contentious, ambitious, factious, grasping, hard, and inflexible. Double-bodied images indicate complex nativities, changeable, very hard to apprehend, light, unstable, fickle, amorous, versatile, fond of music, lazy, easily acquisitive, and prone to change their minds.

In every case it is necessary to investigate the Master of the Nativity, and the bound ruler of the preceding New or Full Moon, and to carefully consider the admixture.

And if one is not present at the nativity, but determines the rising image and the placement of the stars by appearance, he should immediately inquire the degree of the Hour-Marker. Investigate the conception. Let the degree of the Moon at the nativity be the Hour-Marker at the conception, and let the Hour-Marker at the nativity be the degree of the Moon at the conception.

When the Moon is rising at the Hour-Marker, the birth is intermediate of 273 days and 8 hours. If the Moon is above the horizon, the time will be less. If the Moon is below the horizon, the time will be more. Give one day for every 13.17 degrees of distance. When the Moon is unfavorably placed at the nativity, it will be necessary to subtract 27 days and 8 hours, or more proportionate to the bad influence. Thus make a scientific beginning, and fashion a forecast of the end.

3. On Parents
Sun and Father inoperative and beheld by malefics, while Fortune is masculine, indicate that the father will predecease the mother. Moon and Mother inoperative and beheld by malefics, while Fortune is feminine, signify that the mother will predecease the father. When the Sun and Jupiter are ascending, they cause good livelihood for the father, and the Moon and Venus cause the same for the mother. Conversely, if they are inoperative, they make them weak and low, or foreigners, or estranged from their children. Saturn and Mars anti-culminating cause misfortune for parents, or estrangement, while Jupiter and Venus indicate good fortune.

If the Lot of the Father is allotted to Leo, Sagittarius or Aries with the configurations of benefics, it makes him a leader of the populace. If one would busy himself with further inquiries about the details concerning individuals, let him take the Lot as the Hour-Marker, and the image upon the tenth as action, and the diametrical image as affairs, and the anti-culminating image as death, and let him distinguish the Lots and the rest of the dodekatopos in the same fashion.

4. On Siblings
Jupiter, Venus and Mercury operative and favorably placed give siblings and children, especially with fertile images. From the Lot of Siblings, determine the number, gender, health and rank of siblings. Infertile images do not indicate siblings, semi-infertile indicate one, semi-fertile indicate two, fertile images indicate three siblings. Houserulers with fertile images give siblings.

Benefics give siblings, malefics signify childlessness, or they cause grief from siblings. Examine the predominating gender of the images and houserulers, and make your judgement based on the number. Preponderance of double-bodied images cause multiple births. Saturn destroys the elder siblings, Mars destroys the middleborn, Mercury destroys the youngest with malefics. Saturn and Mars rising, culminating and setting without benefic testimony cause the destruction of siblings.

5. On Action
Investigate the nature of attending stars. Fortune and the domicile ruler favorably placed make successful nativities, Saturn through property, agriculture and shipping ventures, Jupiter through fiduciary relationships, guardianship and priesthoods, Mars through governorship and military operations, Venus through friends, gifts and women, and Mercury through eloquence and trade.

Stars that predominate action are ascending, houseruler of the X, Master of the Nativity, and with the Lot of Fortune. When Mars, Venus and Mercury happen to be placed contrariwise, examine the one that is morning rising. It will be necessary to observe the order of the predomination.

Mars predominating makes craftsmen, masons, quarrymen, carpenters, shipbuilders, blacksmiths, miners, woodcutters, farmers, jewellers and soldiers
With Saturn - sailors, cooks, embalmers
With Jupiter - soldiers, commanders, governors, friends with the great

Mars and Venus predominating make dyers, jewellers, farmers, pharmacists and physicians
With Saturn - attendants of sacred animals and mysteries, embalmers, attendants of bloody rites
With Jupiter - frequenters of temples, interpreters of omens, supervisors of women and affairs

Mars and Mercury predominating make physicians, surgeons, sculptors, commanders, tacticians, wrestlers, criminals, adulterers, wrongdoers and forgers
With Saturn - murderers, criminals, terrorists
With Jupiter - energetic, clever and successful individuals

Venus predominating makes social individuals whose activities lie amongst crafts, trade, music, arts, flowers, wine, colours, embroidery, ornaments, food and accommodation
With Saturn - dealers in goods for pleasure and adornment, pharmacists, sorcerers
With Jupiter - eminent individuals, athletes, advancement from women and the great

Venus and Mercury predominating make graceful individuals, artists, musicians, dancers, poets and writers
With Saturn - makers of musical instruments, weavers, dealers in feminine finery
With Jupiter - lawyers, supervisors, public officers, teachers of children, leaders of the populace

Mercury predominating makes businessmen, stewards, accountants, secretaries, mathematicians, scholars, teachers, merchants, bankers, gamblers, astrologers, mystics and those who perform their functions by means of documents, interpretation, giving and taking
With Saturn - managers of the property of others, interpreters of dreams, frequenters of temples for the purpose of prophecy and inspiration
With Jupiter - law-makers, philosophers, orators, counsellors, friends with the great

Examine the changeable, terrestrial, watery, human, eloquent, judicial, fertile, royal, servile and the like, and make judgement of action. When the rulers of the action are favorably placed, they make great, glorious, profitable, unerring and gracious occupations, but if the malefics overcome them, they make mean, inglorious, profitless and fallible occupations. When Saturn and Mars are diametrical from the rulers of action, they bring utter ruin of action during the chronocratorship.

6. On Affairs
The topic of affairs is to be examined from the Lot of Affairs, the VII and Venus. When they and the domicile rulers happen to be with changeable, double-bodied and passionate images, and also ascending from Mars, they cause many affairs. Benefics cause good marriages. Saturn and Mars when unfavorably placed indicate divorces, and they make widowers with incomplete images.

7. On Children
The number, gender, health and rank of children is judged similarly to the topic of siblings, but one should take Children and the X as rulers of the matter. If the Lot and the domicile ruler are in harmony with the Hour-Marker and the Lot of Fortune, the children will be dear to their parents, they will be attractive, and inherit the patrimony, but if they are turned away or diametrical, they will be quarrelsome, trouble-makers, injurious and will not inherit the patrimony. When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are harmoniously configured with each other, they cause brotherly affection and mutual respect amongst the children, but if they are turned away or diametrical, the children will be quarrelsome and scheming.
8. On Friendship
Investigate friendship from Daimon and the XI, servants from Fortune and the VI, enemies from Accusation and the XII. Daimon and the XI with Cancer and Pisces cause many associations and social nativities. Eloquent images make associations with intelligent persons. Royal images make friendships with the great. Jupiter favorably placed makes friendships with kings, Venus with the distinguished women, Mercury with intelligent men, and with rascals when present with Scorpio.

Concerning partnership and affairs, examine the rising images, the Sun and the Moon of the two nativities. If they share an affinity by being of the same wind, they make good relationship, as do the images with hexagon. Like-engirding and like-ascending images are harmonious, but weak if they happen to be turned away. If the Hour-Marker, Sun and Moon are turned away, tetragon and diametrical from each other, they cause discord, separation and enmity.

Examine the placements of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Mercury, for they also contribute or hinder the synastry. Saturn and Mars hinder through disagreement and hatred, Jupiter and Venus contribute through agreement and unity, and Mercury either helps or hinders communication.

9. On Travel
Sun and Moon pre-ascending cause travel. Fortune pre-ascending causes travel. Mars with the IX and the IV causes travel. Moon with the VII causes travel. Mars diametrical from the Sun and the Moon cause travel. Cancer and Pisces cause travel. Nativities which have many placements with the corresponding countries will naturally be inclined to live there and have successful trade with those nations, if the houseruler of the VII is benefic with the same direction from the nativity.

If Jupiter and Venus are the rulers of the places which govern travel, and of the Sun and Moon, they make the journeys not only safe, but also pleasant, for the subjects will be sent on their way either by the leaders of the country or by the resources of their friends, and favorable conditions of the weather and abundance of supplies will also aid them. If Mercury is present, profits, gains, gifts and honours result from this good fortune.

If Saturn and Mars control the Lights and IX, however, and particularly if they are diametrical to each other, they will make the results useless and involve the subjects in great dangers, through unfortunate voyages and shipwrecks with watery images, through hard going and desert places with solid images, through falling from heights and assaults from winds with changeable images, through piracy, plots and robbery with human images, through attacks of beasts and earthquakes with terrestrial images, and if Mercury is also present with Saturn and Mars, through the weather, dangerous accusations, bites of reptiles and other poisonous creatures.

When the IX and the houseruler are favorably placed, the person will benefit from foreign places and foreigners. And if the houseruler of the IV is better placed, the person will not travel much, proportionate to the indications of travel. The direction of travel is indicated by the Sun and the Moon, and by the placements of the chronocrators during indicated travel.

I - East
II - Northeast
III - North-Northeast
IV - North
V - North-Northwest
VI - Northwest
VII - West
VIII - Southwest
IX - South-Southwest
X - South
XI - South-Southeast
XII - Southeast

10. On the Division of Times
Investigate the method of the dodekatemoria, allotting 129 months to the Predominator, and the stars following using the sidereal year. If the Hour-Marker is Releaser, the star that follows will first allot the years. Every star makes a distribution to itself, and the stars following with the recurrence years as months. The times are divided in the same manner as with the method itself. Examine the chronocrators, the sequence of the distribution, and make judgement of the nativity.

Saturn favorably placed by day causes profit from vigorous efforts and hard work, ancient trades, mysteries, legacy, relatives, elders, property and land, and the times become good for everything. When unfavorably placed by night, it makes difficulties in everything, inactivity, bodily illness and dangers, losses, poverty, penalties, harm, judgements and deaths of relatives, dismantling of ancient things, quarrels with elders, deceptions and extortions of friends, troubles from lands and foundations, and from the places that Saturn governs at the nativity.

Saturn onto Jupiter favorably placed by day are productive of prosperity, notable friendships and acquisitions. When unfavorably placed by night, they fine and damage what is being completed, harm relatives, they bring toil and the reduction of wealth.

Saturn onto Mars favorably placed make troubles and setbacks. When unfavorably placed, they make those who are discouraged and not eager, they gather up enemies and trouble, and sickness with Mercury.

Saturn onto Sun favorably placed by day cause high rank and wealth. When unfavorably placed by night, they portend dangers from authorities and travel, unemployment, penalties, dimming of vision and harm to the father.

Saturn onto Venus favorably placed indicate success in business and marriage for the unmarried. When unfavorably placed, they cause disturbances of friendship and love and changes of affairs.

Saturn onto Mercury favorably placed by day indicate great advancement and increase of wealth. When unfavorably placed by night, they bring about the chilling of business, contentions, debts, sickness, deceptions in business and harm from speech.

Saturn onto Moon unfavorably placed cause uproars, bodily illness, the reduction of possessions and harm to the mother. When favorably placed, the time is profitable and productive of alliance.

Jupiter onto Saturn favorably placed by day cause advancement, association with the great, the alleviation of distress, nativities spend freely and manage the work of others. When unfavorably placed by night, they cause turbulent times, oppression by superiors and grief from relatives.

Jupiter favorably placed by day causes good opinion with all matters, learning, wisdom, wealth, alliances, friendship, acquisition, gifts and success. When unfavorably placed by night, it causes hardship, travel abroad, disputes with superiors, unemployment, losses, expenses, slanders, cares on account of public affairs, jealousy and judgements.

Jupiter onto Mars unfavorably placed cause enmities and rumours. When favorably placed, they release one from oppression, bring friendships with the great, profits and acquisitions, and if the nativity is distinguished, they bring public offices and governorship.

Jupiter onto Sun favorably placed by day are advancing, successful, and they bring sympathetic friendships. When unfavorably placed by night, they are disturbing with regard to the father and livelihood.

Jupiter onto Venus favorably placed are productive of unexpected wealth, advancement, affairs, marriage and children. When unfavorably placed, they cause enmity, uproar and unemployment.

Jupiter onto Mercury favorably placed cause profits, partnership, friendship, gifts and mysticism. When unfavorably placed, they bring losses and expenses.

Jupiter onto Moon favorably cause good fortune, help from relatives and important women. When unfavorably placed they bring gains and expenses.

Mars onto Saturn favorably placed are disturbing with regard to affairs, livelihood and children, they cause inactivity. When unfavorably placed, they cause judgements, violence, enmity, plots, grief, dangerous illness and condemnations.

Mars onto Jupiter favorably placed cause great success, alliances and distinguished positions, but they cause rather moderate advancement when post-ascending. When unfavorably placed, they produce enmities, slanders, separations from friends and vicissitudes.

Mars favorably placed by night causes effective, profitable and advancing time, alliances with superiors and public fame. When unfavorably placed by day, it makes enmities, weakness, fears, dangers, falls, slanders, abuse and annoyances.

Mars onto Sun favorably placed cause activities and friendship, but with hardship and doubts. When unfavorably placed, they are disturbing, productive of vexation of travel, bloodshed, harm from fire, bodily illness, dimming of vision and grief from the father.

Mars onto Venus favorably placed by night are always profitable, graceful and delightful. When unfavorably placed by day, they are harmful for the sake of affairs and women, and they bring separations and quarrels.

Mars onto Mercury favorably placed make penalties and lawsuit. When unfavorably placed, they cause treachery, falsity, crime, sickness and debts.

Mars onto Moon favorably placed by night cause advancement and profit. When unfavorably placed by day, they cause bodily illness, confusion, travel weakness, financial harms and grief.

Sun onto Saturn favorably placed by day are effective for actions, wealth, joy and memories of ancient matters. When unfavorably placed by night, they cause dangers, inactivity, judgements, bankruptcies, enmities with elders, deaths of relatives, fearful sights and anxiety.

Sun onto Jupiter favorably placed by day make for great actions, evident matters, friendship with great men, acquisition and renown. When unfavorably placed by night, they cause vicissitudes in livelihood, obstacles in advancement, enmities, confusion and bodily illness with malefics.

Sun onto Mars favorably placed cause advancement and profit. When unfavorably placed, they harm the father or one who is like the father, they stir up trouble with friends and relatives, they cause sickness, dimming of vision, treachery, enmities, expenses, travel, slanders and dangers.

Sun favorably placed by day is effective for making alliances and friendships with superiors, and it promises trust, friendship, profitable travel and livelihood. When unfavorably placed by night, it gives disputes with superiors, idleness, confusion, loss of spirit, sickness, judgement, violence, dimming of vision, harm to the father and the patrimony.

Sun onto Venus favorably placed are good, joyful, affectionate, graceful, and they associate men with women. When unfavorably placed and inoperative, they cause disturbances from family and women, sickness and confusion.

Sun onto Mercury favorably placed are effective for actions, prosperity in business, partnership, trust, reconciliation, purchases, exchange, domestic affairs, learning and manifestation of hidden matters. When unfavorably placed, they cause hindrances, confusion, treachery, diminishment of money, harm from friends, oppression, deceptions, thefts from servants, sickness with malefics.

Sun onto Moon favorably placed are fine for unions and everything. When unfavorably placed, they cause expenditures, travel and unpleasantness in relation to women, family and superiors.

Venus onto Saturn favorably placed are inharmonious with regard to affairs and harmonious with regard to business. When unfavorably placed, they cause death of important women, confusion, abuse, quarrels with women, poisoning, plots and shameful deeds.

Venus onto Jupiter favorably placed cause great actions, alliances, marriage and children. When unfavorably placed and inoperative, they cause losses from women and separations.

Venus onto Mars favorably placed by night are effective in everything. When unfavorably placed by day, they are harmful, productive of quarrels, jealousy and adultery for passionate nativities.

Venus onto Sun favorably placed are effective, cheerful, affectionate, graceful and they associate men with women. When unfavorably placed with malefics, they cause disturbances from family and women, confusion and sickness.

Venus favorably placed by night is good, successful, effective, profitable, especially with regard to domestic affairs, advancement, pleasure, friendship with women and graceful activities. When unfavorably placed by day, it gives unemployment, expenses, anxiety, judgement, quarrels with women, enmity and diseases with malefics.

Venus onto Mercury favorably placed are effective for exchanges, trade, letters, education, rank, honours, purchases, friendship and partnership. When unfavorably placed, they bring expenses, separations from women, jealousy and plots with malefics.

Venus onto Moon favorably placed are affectionate, cheerful and effective. When unfavorably placed, they are harmful with regard to domestic affairs, women and health.

Mercury onto Saturn favorably placed increase reputation and bring acquisition, harm enemies, provide benefits from ancient unions, trade and matters. When unfavorably placed, they indicate lawsuits, unemployment, debt, harm from friends, servants and treachery.

Mercury onto Jupiter favorably placed are effective for action, trade, speech, learning, especially for those who wish to come into power. When unfavorably placed, they indicate disturbances, quarrels with superiors and sickness with malefics.

Mercury onto Mars favorably placed indicate those who are daring, inventive and excited about things. When unfavorably placed, they signify uprisings, attacks and threats from criminals, grief from children, friends, servants and speeches.

Mercury onto Sun favorably placed are effective for action, trade, travel, learning, speeches and manifestation of hidden matters. When unfavorably placed, they bring expenses and judgement.

Mercury onto Venus favorably placed cause benefits from women and affairs. When unfavorably placed, they cause distressing messages and domestic disturbances.

Mercury favorably placed is good and effective for trade, speech, exchanges, politics, diplomacy, writing and learning. When unfavorably placed, it causes loss of wealth and friends, dishonesty, deception, uproars and lawsuits.

Mercury onto Moon favorably placed give profit, authority and luxury. When unfavorably placed with malefics, they indicate bodily illness, contentions and dangers.

Moon onto Saturn favorably placed cause advancement and success. When unfavorably placed, they cause bodily illness, weakness, infirmity of the eyesight, the chilling of activities, dangers, expenses, inactivity, fevers and the remembrance of ancient matters.

Moon onto Jupiter favorably placed are good, productive, full of accomplishment, they associate with the great, they bring ranks, offices, benefits, gifts from females, marriage for the unmarried, children to the married, alliances and friendships, increase of livelihood and rank for the mother, success in business, and fulfillment of hopes and expectations. When unfavorably placed, they cause moderate fortune, and expenses with malefics.

Moon onto Mars favorably placed by night promise success, but with anxiety and labour. When unfavorably placed by day, they cause unforeseen dangers and falls, and ascending from Saturn, they cause dangerous illness, bleeding, accidents with fire, penalties, domestic disorder, hostility, separation from women, grief from women, trials, imprisonment and upheavals of the masses.

Moon onto Sun favorably placed are effective for everything. When unfavorably placed with the malefics, they bring the waning of livelihood, great expenses, the failure of actions, vain hopes, travel abroad, domestic disorders and upheavals.

Moon onto Venus favorably placed by night are cheerful, effective, affectionate, productive of rank and marriage. When unfavorably placed by day with malefics, they indicate unpleasantness, hatred, expenses, breaches of promises, jealousy, quarrels and harm from relatives and women.

Moon onto Mercury favorably placed are good with respect to females and political associations. When unfavorably placed with malefics, they indicate lawsuits, disturbances because of money, documents and accounts, condemnations and great struggles.

Moon favorably placed causes travel abroad, alliances, reputations and help from women. When unfavorably placed with malefics, it causes bodily illness, dangers, wanderings, affliction for the mother, dimming of vision, grief from relatives, censures and uproars of the multitudes.

Every placement and rulership causes effects concerning life and siblings, livelihood and wealth, relatives and partnership, parents and household, fortune and beneficence, injury and servants, wives and success, property and acquisition, travel and education, action and children, friendship and opportunities, suffering and enemies, males or females, many times, once or twice, watery or terrestrial, eloquent or silent, human or quadrupedal, royal or common, intimidating or peaceful, and the like, and their admixtures account for all causal effects. Jupiter, Venus and Mercury also cause favorable effects with bounds, assemblies and configurations. Saturn, Mars, Sun and Moon also cause unfavorable effects with bounds, assemblies, tetragons and diameters for the Releaser.

Bibliography:
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Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
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Hello,

Wow some very good posts everyone!


I first studied the foundations of astrology when I was 16 years old (now 33). Throughout the years I have advanced my knowledge, especially in the areas of natal, synastry and predictive astrology. What was first a hobby then become an obsession, spending many hours doing astrological readings for people from all walks of life.

Although astrology is a fascinating subject, it can be very complex with many different rules and methods. Methods and techniques depend on ones interpretation style, and what works for them.

For those that are interested, I want to tell you my personal technique:

First of all I believe in keeping astrology simple. This means I do not consider asteroids, nodes, or things like the part of fortune.

I created a handy step-by-step guide to natal chart interpretation on my astrology blog. The guide is very detailed, and uses my own birth chart data as an example.

Basically my step-by- step guide follows these principles:

1. Create A Birth Chart

Use an online chart creation tool. Such as this one from Astro.com

2. Interpret Sun, Moon and Planet Positions

Interpret all the sun, moon and planet positions. For example, interpret Moon in sign, Moon in house, Mercury in sign, Mercury in House etc. Also interpret the ascendant.

3. Group Interpretations Under Certain Subheadings

Group your interpretations under specific headings. This will help structure your reading. A structured reading will make more sense to the reader. Such headings could be love and relationships, home life, childhood, emotions, etc.

4. Modify and Tweak the Reading so its Readable

Modify and tweak your overall astrology reading. Once you have grouped your interpretations in step 3, you will notice some contradictions in your reading, or repeat sentences. If you have two statements that contradict each other, only choose one based on the overall feel of the chart. To get an overall feel of the chart you should look for specific chart features such as stelliums, the house the sun is in, distribution of planets in the chart, etc.

5. Apply Aspect Modifications

To further improve the accuracy of your reading, you could apply aspect modifications. Aspects can help determine negative or positive characteristics of ones personality or life experiences. For example, a trine aspect to mercury could result in positive communication skills. But a square could mean the opposite.


I hope this helps. I am happy to answer any comments.

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Great tips by experts. One should follow to get better predictions.
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