Astrology and 12 Tribes of Israel

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CordlessJames

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I am a firm believer in mythological parallels and I almost insist that each sign represents a certain tribe. Abraham was an astrologer after all. I was not brought up on religion so I don't know much about the Bible other than what I've learned in my philosophy classes and hearsay. On top of that, I'm a beginner when it comes to astrology, so maybe you guys could help me out.

I know that some say there were 13 tribes but some say there are 13 astrological signs also, so there's even a parallel in the confusion. So what I'm asking is, does anyone here know how the signs relate to the tribes?
 
venuschild

venuschild

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Well the birthstone concepts have been argued before but is there a correlation between the stones recognized from the signs and the Levitical breastplate where all 12 stones represent a son of Israel/Jacob and tribe of Israel?

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Astrology predates the Bible as in:

http://books.google.com/books?id=57E3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=%27abraham%27s+grandfather+astrologer%27&source=bl&ots=vPtzPkyVVf&sig=TrMHCWCqlcyXYEOoBMm1xPt_hQg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qST1U8_ECs_wiQKUwoGIBA&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q='abraham's%20grandfather%20astrologer'&f=false

http://www.biblesearchers.com/ancients/patriarch/abram1.shtml

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112333/jewish/Nimrod-and-Abraham.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=FZ...&q='abraham's grandfather astrologer'&f=false

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2003/abraham.html

http://kimgraaemunch.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/the-sons-of-jacob-and-the-zodiac/

http://www.atam.org/JacobsAstrologicalFamily.html


As Joseph's brothers recognized the astrological symbolism of Joseph's second dream and his father certainly did. It has to be astrology was taught from Abraham to Isaac, and from Isaac to Jacob and Esau.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgP2KIn1oH0

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen13.html

http://www.findyourfate.com/dreams/dreams.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=5k...oseph's dream astrological symbology'&f=false

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AstroAries

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Yes 12 desciples, 12 signs, 12 cell salts, 12 tribes, 12 stones on the ephod, 12 months in the year, 7 musical notes A through G plus 5 sharps and flats equals 12
 
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mossadrai

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As a Kabbalist, suspicious for me to say, but yes, there's a complete identification of the Twelve Tribes and the 12 Constellations. The Bible itself is the basis for understanding the signs according to Kabbalistic Astrology.

So, for example, Reuven is the sign of Taurus. Therefore, according to Kabbalah, everything that happened to Reuven and all his traits are, in fact, traits of Sun in Taurus.

Two special passages are very used by kabbalists to derive traits of each sign... The passage in which Jacob is about to die and decides to bless each one of his children (also with a small prediction of the future), and the passage where Moses is about to die and then he gives some warning to each tribe.

The passages are not meant to be read literraly, though. Kabbalah supports a metaphorical reading of the biblical text. So, when you see there that such and such tribe will be keepers of the seashore and the docks, this is not to be understood literally. You have to understand what seashores, the dock and the sea represent.

Best Regards!
 
athenian200

athenian200

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mossadrai said:
As a Kabbalist, suspicious for me to say, but yes, there's a complete identification of the Twelve Tribes and the 12 Constellations. The Bible itself is the basis for understanding the signs according to Kabbalistic Astrology.

So, for example, Reuven is the sign of Taurus. Therefore, according to Kabbalah, everything that happened to Reuven and all his traits are, in fact, traits of Sun in Taurus.

Two special passages are very used by kabbalists to derive traits of each sign... The passage in which Jacob is about to die and decides to bless each one of his children (also with a small prediction of the future), and the passage where Moses is about to die and then he gives some warning to each tribe.

The passages are not meant to be read literraly, though. Kabbalah supports a metaphorical reading of the biblical text. So, when you see there that such and such tribe will be keepers of the seashore and the docks, this is not to be understood literally. You have to understand what seashores, the dock and the sea represent.

Best Regards!
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Wow. And people told me I was crazy when I suggested the Bible was full of metaphor. I just couldn't take a lot of the images seriously as literal stories... there was a pattern, some kind of order to a lot of them.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Brief excerpts from:

"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." Luke 21:25
By Kevin Williams


'.....The Bible is filled with references to astrology because astrology was widely accepted as truth in Biblical times. Christians who believe that astrology is Satanic would be surprised to learn that the Bible is filled with astrology and even Jesus himself made numerous references to astrology.
People believed in the study of the stars in Biblical times. Everyone knew the influence of the sun on the Earth, and the sun was a star. It certainly made a pattern, so far as life on Earth was concerned - it shaped everything, or at least nourished everything - and the shape had to be such as to allow the sun to give life to it....'


According to Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish historian,
the Jewish temple at Jerusalem had the twelve signs of the zodiac inlaid in its floor. :smile:
Josephus also stated that the twelve loaves of showbread in the temple was a reference to the zodiac.
In modern times,
Israel issued stamps with the zodiac signs identified with the twelve tribes of Israel
and the astrological symbolism of the temple. http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen13.html
 
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emily23

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Those stamps are real pretty, thanks for showing, must see if any are on eBay, love them

Ps this twelve pattern did it come into existence with the Judaic religion or before????

Iirc, hazy memory, it was before, 12 gods of Olympus etc

Ps watched a bit of the zeitgeist...sorry, too advertisy and false for me,,,, when someone corresponds the son to the sun that's linguistic manipulation,,,,might have another look for another mind frame maybe
 
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GemaaaSpirit

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i was gonna mention Zeitgeist 1 but you guys did it first. they do talk about this relationship, but later it came up that the credibiliity of these guys is not hat good.....
 
CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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Even in the modern era, Judaism has some interest in astrology. Perhaps, portions of the global Jewish diaspora are represented by a sign, like the Capricorn-Aquarian nature of the Ashkenazi in Central and Eastern Europe. What was the signs of Israel, other than its foundation on May 14, 1948 under a Taurus sun? Is it the same as the biblical tribes of Israel or Judah?
 
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deepseafish

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I should probably warn you that Judaism (particularly traditional Judaism) forbids astrology. That means you are not going to find a lot of reputable information on astrology from actual Jews, since they do not concern themselves with it. A lot of what you find may be from less-than-reputable sources, such as Zeitgeist. There are a lot of people with ulterior motives who misinterpret Jewish history to fit their beliefs (i.e., the British Israelites).

However, you may find this interesting: link

According to Jewish history and lore, because of the intermarriage of tribes (and the loss of their respective lands), tribal identity became irrelevant. All Jews are believed to be descendants of Judah and Benjamin, and some (the Kohanim and Levites) are also descendants of Levi.
 
CapAquaPis

CapAquaPis

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deepseafish said:
I should probably warn you that Judaism (particularly traditional Judaism) forbids astrology. That means you are not going to find a lot of reputable information on astrology from actual Jews, since they do not concern themselves with it. A lot of what you find may be from less-than-reputable sources, such as Zeitgeist. There are a lot of people with ulterior motives who misinterpret Jewish history to fit their beliefs (i.e., the British Israelites).

However, you may find this interesting: link

According to Jewish history and lore, because of the intermarriage of tribes (and the loss of their respective lands), tribal identity became irrelevant. All Jews are believed to be descendants of Judah and Benjamin, and some (the Kohanim and Levites) are also descendants of Levi.
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Astrology would be equally forbidden in mainstream Christianity and also in Islam, because all the 3 Abrahamic or monotheist religions states astrology contradicts and interferes with religious dogma, and they feel God not planetary movements control the universe or world affiars. YT has a video series from a rabbi on the "Jewish view of astrology", so it's not surprising there will be Jews studying the issue to see if it fits their religious views, same with Christian or Muslim astrologers. There will be Jews, Christians and so forth with syncretic, radical or agnostic views of their religions, and may gravitate towards astrology to interprete some of their views. The Holy Bible, Jewish Torah and Muslim Qu'ran all have some astrological references in scripture, usually connected them to the powers of God.

In the Age of Aquarius, humanity will turn away from organized religion and become more fascinated with esoteric, mystical and spiritual beliefs, but they didn't abandon theology nor chastise those who believe in God. The 2,160 year cycle which said to started at the birth of Jesus Christ in 4BC should end in 2156 AD. But in the last 216 years of the cycle will really change the world, starting with World War 2, the most trying time of the Jewish people, esp. their experiences with Nazism and the Holocaust, and many of the survivors cofounded the Jewish state, Israel in 1947 after WW2 ended by the Nazis' surrender to the US and British whom briefly ruled Palestine (biblical homeland of Israelites-ancestors of the modern day Jews as an ethnicity who preserved the religion), plus the Soviets. The years 1942-1947 indeed marked the "dawning" of the Aquarian age.
 
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rahu

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venuschild said:
Well the birthstone concepts have been argued before but is there a correlation between the stones recognized from the signs and the Levitical breastplate where all 12 stones represent a son of Israel/Jacob and tribe of Israel?

8229208_orig.jpg


Astrology predates the Bible as in:

http://books.google.com/books?id=57...&q='abraham's grandfather astrologer'&f=false

http://www.biblesearchers.com/ancients/patriarch/abram1.shtml

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112333/jewish/Nimrod-and-Abraham.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=FZ...&q='abraham's grandfather astrologer'&f=false

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2003/abraham.html

http://kimgraaemunch.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/the-sons-of-jacob-and-the-zodiac/

http://www.atam.org/JacobsAstrologicalFamily.html


As Joseph's brothers recognized the astrological symbolism of Joseph's second dream and his father certainly did. It has to be astrology was taught from Abraham to Isaac, and from Isaac to Jacob and Esau.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgP2KIn1oH0

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen13.html

http://www.findyourfate.com/dreams/dreams.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=5k...oseph's dream astrological symbology'&f=false

hebrew-calendar-and-feast-cycle.jpg
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the Levitical breastplate where all 12 stones

the problem here is that the levites were not a original tribe of Israel.
if you read Leviticus one sees that the Levites were given nothing and that therefore they said the other tribes should give them part of their "goods.
david elevated the levites who seem to be an indo European tribe who brought pathriarcal concepts and made war on the indigenous mother goddess religion which all the tribes of Israel followed.

see when god was a woman, by merlin stone
rahu
 
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