Putin/Russia losing in Ukraine

The only bad transit that I can see in Putin's chart is Saturn conjunct IC, opposing MC, and Neptune square his Mercury. There will be Uranus square his IC/MC in the summer of 2023.

Are these enough to explain Putin's failure? Or is it also predicting that Putin can still hold on to power after losing big time in Ukraine?

astro_novice said:

The only bad transit that I can see in Putin's chart is Saturn conjunct IC, opposing MC, and Neptune square his Mercury. There will be Uranus square his IC/MC in the summer of 2023.

Are these enough to explain Putin's failure? Or is it also predicting that Putin can still hold on to power after losing big time in Ukraine?

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I see what you are saying, and of course we don't know the houses either, His chart is rated DD, so not reliable.
BUT considering the one available to use, Tr Saturn Tr Venus is also squaring his natal Jupiter which is rx in natal chart.


His angles because of the unreliability of the tob, really should not be relied on.


Neptune square his Mercury is likely the BIG- HUGE lies he's told his country's citizens, the soldiers as well if the feedback from the soldiers is to be believed:



His Army is lamenting this war, saying they are comprised of mostly morons.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin...rons?msclkid=e57001c2b17311ec8f3cce9e12c17232


A reporter for Public Radio in France said this today, about the recently released young Mayor:

@ElBeardsley


Incredible testimony on BFMTV from this mayor of Melitopol who was kidnapped for several days by the Russians. He says they had no idea what’s going on. They told him we’re here to get the Nazis - he said I’ve been in this town 30 years and I’ve never met one…. then they said//
well we’re here to help the Russian speakers snd he said 95% of us speak Russian and we’re fine. They said they heard that the World War II veterans of the town had been beaten in the patriot day and he said au contraire they’re venerated and there’s not very many of them left.

Good...Putin is losing the war and for a president to officially take power on Dec 31, 1999; and on 02/02-02/22/2002: To invade Ukraine to almost trigger WW3. He's the biggest news event of the millennia (except 9/11 2001 in the USA and the COVID-19 pandemic of 2020-21). And because Saturn transits Zelenskyy's natal sun (5') in Aquarius which conjuncts his MC (20') in 2019-2023 interacts with his Mars in cusp Cancer-Leo (the millionaire's degree 29' Cancer and CLEO or 1' Leo thought to represent a plague) conjunct his Moon 17' degrees in Leo. The world should never minimalize or underestimate the impact of COVID-19 in any country, but Ukraine's experience with controlling a new flu epidemic in the mid 2010s has succeeded in not going to turn into a pandemic. And Ukraine is twice the size of the US state of Texas or nearing Alaska's larger size with a population slightly larger than my state of CA (41-45 million range) also shared with Canada: Ukraine had 5-5.5 million COVID cases vs CA had 9.1-9.5 million. It could be their nation's recent memory and bitter history of earlier plagues, warfare and the 1986 Chernobyl Nuclear power plant accident that taught their disaster preparedness through their experiences in better management of a national emergency.

astro_novice said:

The only bad transit that I can see in Putin's chart is Saturn conjunct IC, opposing MC, and Neptune square his Mercury. There will be Uranus square his IC/MC in the summer of 2023.

Are these enough to explain Putin's failure? Or is it also predicting that Putin can still hold on to power after losing big time in Ukraine?

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I've added this video, which goes into the war in Ukraine...it also speaks at the end of the coming "Eclipse of the 30th of April" at 10 Taurus - and it's potential impact of the War:


(watch soon,because she may take it off - as it's usually paid videos)


https://www.patreon.com/posts/64398059



Mar 28, 2022 at 4:23 PM


April 2022 Astrology Forecast | Early Release to Patrons

This video is coming out close to month's end, but it is chock-full of astrology; the skies are extremely dramatic in April. If this month had a name, I would call it The Ecstasy and the Agony; we will have both in rapid succession. The month goes from the tough (Mars conjoining Saturn in Aquarius) to the sublime (Jupiter-Neptune, Full Moon ruled by exalted Venus, Venus conjoining Jupiter in Pisces, the eclipse ruled by Venus in Pisces). There is hope in April.

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archaeoastronomer parans to Fixed Stars
"...It might be interesting to look at the declaration of Independence of Crimea on 11 March 2014:-..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_the_Republic_of_Crimea#:~:text=The Declaration of Independence of the Autonomous Republic,a sovereign state — the Republic of Crimea.


"....It was marked twice on 11 March by firstly midnight with ALNILAM setting in the West at Sevastopol:-..."

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/br621ca38c.png


"...It was then marked at Egyptian sunrise daymarker at location when Alnilam was on the Nadir:-..."

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/mb621ca3b7.png


"...The Annexation of Crimea by Russia happened on 18 March 2014 in Moscow, look to top right of link below:-..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

"...Ancient Greek day marker used at sunset on 17 March 2014, as sun was setting, the Belt of Orion was culminating:-..."

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/mq621ca4f5.png

"...Pretty good analysis of the current situation in Ukraine by Gonzalo Lira, currently residing in Ukraine...".

https://www.brighteon.com/63f0b0f4-1628-4b23-a29a-a3328ebb62ac

https://www.brighteon.com/fe11c716-1d5d-466f-a86f-7b9475e2618e



Expect Ukrainian use of terrorism.
NATO seems to have increasing problems in honoring previously made promises
on delivery of Weapons to Ukraine.
Some weapons system cannot be delivered before 2024-2025.
Due to lack of 155mm ammunition for the Howitzers delivered to Ukraine
Pentagon asking the US Military Industrial Complex to built more ammunition factories.
No doubt, these factories will be built,
but it will take a long time before they can deliver


In July 1943 alone 530 Polish villages were cleared of their residents and burned.
Only a minority managed to escape. A new wave of massacres took place in early 1944
that took advantage of the withdrawal of the German army.
Between 1943 and 1945, Poles were murdered in 1865 in places in Wołyń.
The biggest massacres took place in Wola Ostrowiecka, where 628 Poles were murdered
in Gaj – 600
in Ostrówki – 521
and Kolodno – 516.



The Ukrainian's committed murders with incredible cruelty.
Many Poles were burnt alive or thrown into wells.
Axes, pitchforks, scythes, knives and other farming tools rather than guns were used
in an attempt to make the massacres look like a spontaneous peasant uprising.
In the blood frenzy, the Ukrainians tortured their victims with unimaginable bestiality.
Victims were scalped. They had their noses, lips and ears cut off.
They had their eyes gouged out and hands cut off
and they had their heads squashed in clamps.
Woman had their breasts cut off and pregnant woman were stabbed in the belly.
Men had their genitals sliced off with sickles.

In the opinion of the historian Prof. Grzegorz Motyka
an expert on Polish-Ukrainian issues
" ...although the anti-Polish action was an ethnic cleansing, it also meets the definition of genocide..."
Today's Ukraine glorifies those monsters


This will be a huge blow to NATO if more EU nations join Poland.


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Dima Gur said:

Just updated a blog post I've created at the beginning of the war.
Currently I think that there might be an end to this unfortunate event just before the 1-year mark of the war, at the end of February 2023.
Just took the invasion chart and analyzed it as if it was a contest chart / sports astrology / horary.

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IMO, the event chart clearly favors Russia.
But quite possible that your timing may prove right.
Will see what happens in November/December, Russia is about to launch major offensive.
IMO, peace talks are possible according to event chart only after some major change of circumstances.
And that already happened, Ukraine lost 20% of its territory forever.
Your field data is quite wrong. Ukraine losses are in range 5:1 to 10:1 compared to Russian.

Cap said:

IMO, the event chart clearly favors Russia.
But quite possible that your timing may prove right.
Will see what happens in November/December, Russia is about to launch major offensive.
IMO, peace talks are possible according to event chart only after some major change of circumstances.
And that already happened, Ukraine lost 20% of its territory forever.
Your field data is quite wrong. Ukraine losses are in range 5:1 to 10:1 compared to Russian.

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Ukraine had signed the Minsk Peace accords in 2014 & 2015
with France and Germany as observers and gaurantors
yet NATO & Ukraine instead chose to breach the Peace accords for eight years
spending their time, training the Ukraine military to be NATO compatable
arming the NAZI integrated Ukraine military- despite US passing a law
outlawing the AZOV and any Ukraine NAZI group to ensure the US would not arm these groups

Ukraine military spent eight years digging trenches and fortifying the East Ukraine demarcation lines
in preparation for the Russian invasion they were provoking
- provoking for more than eight years!


The documentaries: "..Ukraine on fire..." and the "...Everlasting present; 30 years of Ukraine independence..."
are very well researched and produced
giving a great insight into what it took to provoke this current war
- a NATO Proxy war to ruin Russia financially and militarily
which has backfired on Europe and the US
Few people, in the collective West. Have any idea that the US is the main protagonist in this conflict

Accusations of preparations to detonate a so-called “...dirty bomb...”
have been flying between both Russia and Ukraine lately
along with counter-accusations of preparations for a “...false flag...” operation
– all behind the backdrop of nuclear weapons testing
that threatens to become the real thing
if tempers and rhetoric between the two nations do not cool


PUTIN TRANSIT MARS TRINE NATAL SATURN


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Well, this isn't a one-man topic, is it. There's Putin (and his little band of supporters showing up here in force.) There's the mundane chart for the "birth" of Russia. This one varies, depending upon whom you ask, from the break-up of the USSR in 1991, back to the Middle Ages, including the reigns of a few czars and the Russian Revolution of 1917. The Astro-DataBank gives it as the founding of the USSR in 1922. https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USSR,_foundation Take your pick.

There's the chart of Volodymyr Zelensky. There's the birth chart of Ukraine. Then a lot of the outcome depends upon how strongly Europe and Ukraine's other allies support Ukraine, maintain sanctions on Russia, and develop alternative energy sources. Look to how Congress changes in this November's midterm elections. China is a huge mystery factor, but so far it's strongly backing Russia. (The stars impel but they do not compel.)

I'd suggest looking at several of these charts, not just Putin's.

Russia isn't out of the winner's circle by a long shot, but it's got serious problems of adequately trained manpower and their morale, as well as materiel. They are running out of military hardware, and sanctions are hurting their ability to manufacture new stuff. (Which is why they're importing drones from Iran.) The long cold winter expected to hurt Ukraine and Europe will equally hit Russia and its "annexed" territories.

I have worked with Vladimir Putin's chart on the Astro-DataBank, doing some rectification-type work in crucial dates for Putin, and I think it's accurate. The DD rating doesn't mean it's wrong, merely that it isn't verified with a birth certificate, &c. The date and location are published by Tass, the official Russian news agency. The only question is the timing, but especially the photos of the young Putin (attached) look a lot like Scorpio rising. He's clearly a control freak, with retaliation against critics being his stock-in-trade. Very Scorpio. He's very secretive, which is consistent with those Libra planets in the 12th house.

One thing about Saturn, is that it was deeply retrograde, but is now direct, and will clear Ukraine's difficult transits by the Sping of 2023. Jupiter direct will trine Zelensky's natal sun-Venus early in 2022. Once Pluto hits Aquarius it will be in-orb to square Putin's ascendant.

Meanwhile the international human rights communities are gathering all kinds of data about Russian atrocities in Ukraine. International intelligence offices have gathered all kinds of information on how Putin sent thousands of his own young Russian men to miserable deaths and serious injuries.

I don't think that Pluto transit is going to help him.

Astro-novice, you may be fine with this thread getting over-loaded with pro-Putin anti-Zelensky memes, but if you don't want them, I suggest you change your OP to exclude them and to reflect a desire for a serious political astrology discussion.

Your call.

Just one other point. I see China as a big sleeper in all of this. Given its anti-western rhetoric, China has understandably backed Russia in this conflict, no doubt also planning to benefit from cheaper Russian oil imports. But Russia's economy actually isn't big on the global stage. In terms of GDP Russia's economy is only #11, behind India, S. Korea, and Canada, to give you some comparison. In terms of exports, Russia is a petro-state.

If you're in charge of China's economic well-being, based on exports of manufactured products, does it really make sense to back Russia economically as a major trading partner? Especially given sanctions against Russian imports, banking, and currency?

China may approve of Russia as a fellow totalitarian state with Communist origins, but China wants to-- and can-- stay in the driver's seat in this relationship. It will look to its own self-interests, first and foremost.

If we look at the Russia founding chart posted by Astrodienst https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USSR,_foundation (USSR 1922) we find that their second house of the economy is ruled by Mercury. Mercury (traditional ruler of trade and currency) doesn't seem so dire, but it is in Saturn-ruled Capricorn, and it closely squares Saturn. If we use whole sign houses, Saturn is in the 2nd house. Saturn gets some bonus points by being exalted in Libra, but its dispositer Venus is in detriment in Scorpio, and opposes the moon as the lord of the geniture.

I could go into more detail on Russia's 1922 chart, but let's just say that the economy and economic sanctions may be as decisive a factor as wins and losses on the battlefield.

astro_novice said:

The only bad transit that I can see in Putin's chart is Saturn conjunct IC, opposing MC, and Neptune square his Mercury. There will be Uranus square his IC/MC in the summer of 2023.

Are these enough to explain Putin's failure? Or is it also predicting that Putin can still hold on to power after losing big time in Ukraine?

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You posted this in March/2022 with no chart for Ukraine or Zelensky who are the most important charts to include!😗😗

Ukraine chart shows how the ordinarly Ukranian people are suffering due to Zelensky's reusal to negotiate.
Actually, Zelensky is merely the puppet of the cabal, the Nazi World Order. He obeys their orders & in return, he & his family
get millions funnelled to them.
With transiting his natal he's hurting real bad with his abuse of power.
He closed down ALL free speech & ALL opposition parties. His nazis have a 'hit list' that includes anyone they deem a Putin 'asset'
incl children! Zelensky, aka the 'cokehead from Kyiv' alsi experiencing & tansiting MC n .
He is despised around the world for this nuclear showdown he has brought upon the world.

AND the propaganda about Ukraine 'winning' is finally being revealed. All the fake videos, snake island, 'ghost' of kyiv
all proven to be complete lies. Nothing the corrupt media report on this conflict is true or accurate.
The ratio of Ukranian military fatalities is 20 - 1 compared to the far superior Russian military.

US-led NATO have hired thousands of foreign mercenaries who get paid a lot of money to fight 'Putin bad'.
NATO are still fighting the cold war even though the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991!😌😌

But the war was lost to Ukraine before it even began.
Russia's military expertise accomplished what Putin's goals were within a few months.
1) destroy & de-active the bio-labs; get control of the nuclear stations as Ukraine were trying to build a 'dirty bomb'.
2) de-nazify Ukraine & protect the Russian-speaking Ukranians who have been bombed & murdered by the
Azov nazis for over 7 years now.

We don't know PUtin's time of birth but we do know that he's tried to negotiate with NATO for over a decade with them
breaking EVERY agreement they made with Russia. His powerful stellium points to a man who will attempt to achieve
compromise & peace but once that's broken, he will become the 'velvet hand in the iron fist'.
Putin didn't even use 10% of his 1 M + military personnel in the Ukraine conflict!
But NOW that NATO have threatend to destroy Russian with nuclear weapons, Putin ordered 300,000 troops to enter
Ukraine to protect the people who voted DEMOCRATICALLY to leave Ukraine & re-join their motherland Russia.
OVER 500,000 rushed to enlist but 200,000 had to be turned away as they don't need that many.

We are witnessing the greatest collapse of the evil, demonic Nazi World Order who have used Ukraine as their HQ for
illegal CIA coup, illegal bio-labs & illegal transfer of BILLIONS of dollars to their corrupt puppets.
end degree & the end of cabal is near.

America’s Ukraine Hypocrisy​

The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking.☹️☹️☹️

Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post‐Yanukovych government.
he U.S‑favored candidates did not include the duly elected Yanukovych who refused to agree to EU demands & so the CIA
ousted him from power & replaced him with a NWO puppet.

Washington’s conduct not only constituted meddling, it bordered on criminality (breaking international law).
Illegal & unethical & morally reprehensible.

The US had no right to try to orchestrate political outcomes in another country—especially one on the border of another great power.
It is no wonder that Russia reacted badly to the unconstitutional ouster of an elected, pro‐Russian government—
a COUP that occurred not only with Washington’s blessing, but with its direction!
Mis-use of their mighty power...yet again! 😏😏😏

Zelensky's fall will be spectacular; he might even be killed by the CIA who now consider him to be a liability.
Wonder if they already have another cabal puppet to install once they get rid of him.
His Regulus very karmic to his demise.

Here is Zelensky's chart/w current transits.😗😗

Dima Gur said:

Just updated a blog post I've created at the beginning of the war.
Currently I think that there might be an end to this unfortunate event just before the 1-year mark of the war, at the end of February 2023.
Just took the invasion chart and analyzed it as if it was a contest chart / sports astrology / horary.

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That would make sense politically & astrologically.
Putin has accomplished his goals in Ukraine.
Russia is now ensuring the referendums are adhered to where a 1/3 of Ukraine voted to LEAVE & re-join Mother Russia.
They voted overwhemingly in the 90s, just like the Russian-speaking Ukranians did in Crimea in 2015.
Ukraine will no longer exist as a money-laundering grift that steals BILLIONS of US taxpayers money.
Ukraine will no longer exist to threaten the Russian people with deadly pathogens which Putin destroyed.
Ukraine will no longer exist to pose a security threat to Russia by having nuclear weapons placed on her border (which is
what the US-led NATO have been attempting to do since 1991)!

from Oct 30/22 - Jan 12/2023
There will also be a REP majority in the House/Senate & they have already stated that they will not
continue to pour BILLIONS into Ukraine in another 'endless war'.
On Oct 8/22, turned direct.

All systems 'go' for the Russian War Crimes Tribunals which are coming up shortly.
Once the world is aware of how brutal, cruel & demonic the Azov nazis are, the support 4 Ukraine will plummet.
That's the meaning of the tense transit's to Zelensky's chart, particularly his as the people realize
he's created major destruction & death in Ukraine to support nazis & corruption all around.

Ukraine Referendum To Join Russia Ends In Victory For Russia.​

Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, & Lugansk Regions (Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics)
vote 90% + to leave Ukraine & join Russia.

Ukraine never helped us over these 8 years"​

NOBODY knows Putin's time of birth no matter how many GUESSES they put forth.

DD = Dirty Data.

CANNOT be used to construct an ACCURATE natal chart.
MUST use UKNOWN time (noon or 6am) WITHOUT HOUSES.

This is ASTROLOGY 101 to get the CORRECT data!!!

😏😏😏

There are some basic chart rectification methods that any intermediate-level astrologer should know, plus some software that automates the process. I did some checking and found that the Astrodienst birth time of 9:30 am worked really well for timing of events in 2013-14, involving Russia's unprovoked invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. The Putin page on the Astro-DataBank gives a lot of key dates to use.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Putin,_Vladimir plus a link to an interesting discussion on Putin's birth time.

Isaac Starkman, who is a real expert, researcher , and software developer on rectification came up with a 9:35 am birth time for Putin, which is just 5 minutes off the Astro-DataBank birth time. http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11603&sid=4c040295ad1f7ff468ef24fc323d2764

If anyone doubts Putin's birth time, I suggest s/he get to work on your own chart rectification methods and see what you come up with. This is a lot more productive than Putin fans simply stonewalling on discussing his chart and substituting unfounded propaganda.

One thing to consider is the vast difference in leadership style between Putin and Zelensky. Putin appears in a city suit: remote, formal, and often isolated from his top advisors. Zelensky appears as fully engaged, in army-green T-shirts and fatigues, often among Ukrainian troops. Possibly the difference between Putin's sun-Saturn conjunction and Zelensky's sun-Venus.

Leadership style can greatly affect troop morale, which is rapidly shrinking among Russian troops, but holding a decisive majority in Ukraine.