david starling
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You're unclear on the concept. It's my fault for not being able to explain it well enough.
The Tropical Ages of Earth
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You're unclear on the concept. It's my fault for not being able to explain it well enough.
SunConjunctUranus
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Okay, please re-lecture us, sir. 
Ps: I usually had a friend who had Sun in Pisces [tropical], they are very high intelligence, sir actually but sometimes their intellect is far beyond our knowledge. In your case, how it is happen based on 12/12 pattern? Is that exalted Pluto in Leo?
Ps: I usually had a friend who had Sun in Pisces [tropical], they are very high intelligence, sir actually but sometimes their intellect is far beyond our knowledge. In your case, how it is happen based on 12/12 pattern? Is that exalted Pluto in Leo?
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david starling
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I studied engineering for 4 years, and took a beginning course in Astronomy. So, I'm well-grounded in Celestial mechanics., but many are not. Adds to the difficulties in explaining the Ages.
SunConjunctUranus
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Yes! That's what I've been saying, complex mathematical equotation. So let us hear more.
JUPITERASC
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Just as the Earth’s spin on its axis causes day and nightYou're unclear on the concept.
It's my fault for not being able to explain it well enough.
and it’s annual orbit around the Sun is responsible for the ongoing cycle of the seasons,
what if there is some greater celestial cycle, lasting thousands of years
slowly influencing the rise and fall of civilization across the globe?
To many ancient cultures, the answers lie in the stars.
In their view, time moved in a cyclical pattern
with human civilization and consciousness rising and falling
as great ages came and went.
Vedic scholars spoke of the Yuga Cycle
a great circular progression of ages
and Plato taught of a large cycle of time which would slowly return us to a "Golden Age".
He called this cycle: The Great Year.
The Great Year investigates commonalities in these beliefs
and looks back into time seeking answers to questions
that still loom over science today.
How far back do humankind’s roots really go?
What did the ancients know about the stars
and their movements and what can we learn from them?
How was the Precession of the Equinox
the slow progression of the stars across the sky over thousands of years
used to mark the rise and fall of these great ages by the ancients?
Many cultures spoke of an unseen sun driving Precession
and causing the cycle of this Great Year.
Could there be an unseen companion to our Sun?
The Great Year examines this theory
and finds that perhaps these ancients were really onto something!
THE GREAT YEAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZDcj0kF_0
david starling
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Let's use the "clock-hand" method. Using a circle for the zodiac, with Earth at the center, draw a line from Earth to each placement. So, there's the Sun-hand, the Moon-hand, and so on. Each planet has one also.
Now, let's define the tropical Aries 0 degree point by its Astronomical name, the "Vernal Equinoctial Point", and exclude the tropical Signs altogether. The "V.E.P." , or simply "V.P." is transiting the constellations , retrograde motion, due to a slight wobble in Earth's rotation. This causes the Equinoxes and Solstices to shift through the constellations. Sidereal uses the constellations for its astrological Signs, so there's an Ages clock-hand to go with all the others--a line drawn from Earth, at the center of the zodiacal circle, to the V.P. The location of the V.P. tells us the Sign and degree for the Age, but only in sidereal coordinates
See, when you move to the tropical coordinates, the V.P. is motionless, forever defining the location of the First Point of tropical Aries. Since tropical also should logically have a transiting, Age clock-hand, one that does transit the tropical Signs, a DIFFERENT astronomical point will be needed.
Now, let's define the tropical Aries 0 degree point by its Astronomical name, the "Vernal Equinoctial Point", and exclude the tropical Signs altogether. The "V.E.P." , or simply "V.P." is transiting the constellations , retrograde motion, due to a slight wobble in Earth's rotation. This causes the Equinoxes and Solstices to shift through the constellations. Sidereal uses the constellations for its astrological Signs, so there's an Ages clock-hand to go with all the others--a line drawn from Earth, at the center of the zodiacal circle, to the V.P. The location of the V.P. tells us the Sign and degree for the Age, but only in sidereal coordinates
See, when you move to the tropical coordinates, the V.P. is motionless, forever defining the location of the First Point of tropical Aries. Since tropical also should logically have a transiting, Age clock-hand, one that does transit the tropical Signs, a DIFFERENT astronomical point will be needed.
JUPITERASC
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If you move to Mars
you would require a minimum of one hundred billion dollars
to pay for the journey
JUPITERASC
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.
THE DENDERA ZODIAC
registers the oldest known calenderic date 4241 BCE.
On that count alone, this artifact is unique in the world
but also displays the comprehensive framework of World Ages
with specific reference to the time in which we are now living
and the two centuries ahead.
Studies based on that framework support the correlation of
Hindu, Egyptian, Mayan and Aztec calendrics in an intelligible manner
so that cosmic timing can be factored right down to the immediate era
https://www.metahistory.org/index.php
THE DENDERA ZODIAC
registers the oldest known calenderic date 4241 BCE.
On that count alone, this artifact is unique in the world
but also displays the comprehensive framework of World Ages
with specific reference to the time in which we are now living
and the two centuries ahead.
Studies based on that framework support the correlation of
Hindu, Egyptian, Mayan and Aztec calendrics in an intelligible manner
so that cosmic timing can be factored right down to the immediate era
https://www.metahistory.org/index.php
JUPITERASC
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The Dendera Zodiac carries a prophetic message
for an age of biotechnology
in which humanity aspires to outdo nature
and manipulate life itself.
The World Ages measured in the Zodiac provide the ultimate key
to the evolutionary learning curve of humanity.
The 26,000-year cycle inscribed at Dendera
locates our present moment in the pattern of cosmic timing.
A hitherto undetected feature (axis E)
points to galactic structure only known to astronomers in the last forty years.
Another feature, axis D, dated 3102 BCE
identifies the start of Kali Yuga
an era of moral degeneration and rare opportunity
described in startling predictions in Tantric writings
such as the Mahanirvana Tantra
Hindu chronology correlated to Dendera
provides insight into the current world crisis
and points to a unique spiritual practice
suited to the last two centuries of Kali Yuga, 1945 - 2216.
SunConjunctUranus
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And how was it to translate physiologically and physically impacting the human on Earth with certain Ages?
JUPITERASC
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and so
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
BlackLioness87
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If you move to Mars
you would require a minimum of one hundred billion dollars
to pay for the journey
I should have asked how does astrology works for astronauts when they are travelling through space, but I guess I'll have to start a new thread.
david starling
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and so
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
No, to locate the Earth's sidereal influence, you begin with a sidereal Chart. To locate Earth's tropical influence, you begin with a tropical Chart. The V.P. (Vernal Point) is being used in two different ways: For sidereal, it's a transiting Significator, which moves (retrograde) through the constellations; but, for tropical, it's held stationary, and used to anchor a Sign-boundary (0 degrees tropical Aries).
The V.P. is a function of a terrestrial characteristic, Earth's axial tilt (the Earth's inclination regarding the Sun), so it is an appropriate, transiting terrestrial indicator in the sidereal coordinates. But, since it's held motionless in the zodiac in tropical coordinates, a different point will be needed to determine the Earth's tropical Ages. Haven't gotten to that yet!
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SunConjunctUranus
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May I gather the information regarding "chart" of the Ages? Is that chart which could be generated via astodienst? 
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JUPITERASC
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you said - and I quote
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
because
you "haven't gotten to that yet!"
so then obviously
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
thanks for clarifying you are unable to determine the tropical AgesNo, to locate the Earth's sidereal influence, you begin with a sidereal Chart. To locate Earth's tropical influence, you begin with a tropical Chart.
The V.P. (Vernal Point) is being used in two different ways:
For sidereal, it's a transiting Significator, which moves (retrograde) through the constellations; but, for tropical, it's held stationary, and used to anchor a Sign-boundary (0 degrees tropical Aries).
The V.P. is a function of a terrestrial characteristic, Earth's axial tilt (the Earth's inclination regarding the Sun), so it is an appropriate, transiting terrestrial indicator in the sidereal coordinates.
But, since it's held motionless in the zodiac in tropical coordinates, a different point will be needed
to determine the tropical Ages. Haven't gotten to that yet!
because
you "haven't gotten to that yet!"
Witchyone
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you said - and I quote
so then obviously
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
thanks for clarifying you are unable to determine the tropical Ages
because
you "haven't gotten to that yet!"
Your intolerance is kind of violent in its insistence.
Perhaps you need to meditate more.
SunConjunctUranus
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david starling
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you said - and I quote
so then obviously
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
thanks for clarifying you are unable to determine the tropical Ages
because
you "haven't gotten to that yet!"
We have to begin at the beginning when it comes to knowledge of the Earth's Ages. And it began with the more easily discovered sidereal Ages, using the V.P. as the transiting Age-indicator, which works as a transiting indicator sidereally, but not tropically (for the reason previously stated).
In your Aldebaran-centered coordinates, the Earth's sidereal, Age-indicator position is currently 5 degrees Pisces. At 71.6 years per degree of retrograde movement, it won't reach your boundary between sidereal Pisces and sidereal Aquarius for another 358 years.
Those proclaiming that the Earth's sidereal Aquarian Age has already begun, aren't using Aldebaran for their version of the sidereal zodiac.
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JUPITERASC
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Since ours is a public amateur astrological forum
open to comments from individuals located worldwide
and is not a personal blog
nor a university lecture
or even a personal webpage
seems strange then
to find such intolerance when a member is simply responding
to another member by quoting their own comment
i.e.
that member said - and I quote
to which I reasonably responded as follows:
so then obviously
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
thanks for clarifying you are unable to determine the tropical AgesNo, to locate the Earth's sidereal influence, you begin with a sidereal Chart. To locate Earth's tropical influence, you begin with a tropical Chart.
The V.P. (Vernal Point) is being used in two different ways:
For sidereal, it's a transiting Significator, which moves (retrograde) through the constellations; but, for tropical, it's held stationary, and used to anchor a Sign-boundary (0 degrees tropical Aries).
The V.P. is a function of a terrestrial characteristic, Earth's axial tilt (the Earth's inclination regarding the Sun), so it is an appropriate, transiting terrestrial indicator in the sidereal coordinates.
But, since it's held motionless in the zodiac in tropical coordinates, a different point will be needed
to determine the tropical Ages. Haven't gotten to that yet!
because
you "haven't gotten to that yet!"
david starling
Well-known member
Since ours is a public amateur astrological forum
open to comments from individuals located worldwide
and is not a personal blog
nor a university lecture
or even a personal webpage
seems strange then
to find such intolerance when a member is simply responding
to another member by quoting their own comment
i.e.
that member said - and I quote
to which I reasonably responded as follows:
so then obviously
you have stated clearly that
to locate the Tropical Ages
you begin by using a sidereal chart
and that necessitates the use of an ayanamsa
and since there are multiple ayanamsa to choose from
the location of the so-called tropical zero point
differs dependent on the ayanamsa
thanks for clarifying you are unable to determine the tropical Ages
because
you "haven't gotten to that yet!"
It's important for me to determine whether it's understood that there are both siderealy located Ages of Earth, AND tropically located Ages. The "confusion-factor" is, that the Earth's sidereal Age-indicator is retrograde, approaching (or, already in, depending on the ayanamsa being used) sidereal Aquarius; whereas, the tropical Age-indicator is located using a different, albeit appropriate, terrestrial characteristic, and has direct motion as it approaches tropical Aquarius.