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Re: Midheaven in Scorpio And Your Career

I have Scorpio MC in the 9th degree loosely conjunct Pluto in Scorpio in the 15th degree. Since Pluto is ruled by Scorpio I consider the conjunction a valid and potent energy.

My 8th and 2nd houses are very wide, causing what's known as an interception in the chart, of the Virgo/Pisces axis. So the 2nd house cusp ends up in Aquarius and the 8th in Leo. I have no planets in Pisces but I have just one in Virgo. Mercury. So Virgo Mercury in my chart is essentially trapped in the 8th house.

The MC's sign and the house ruled by that sign will be connected to the MC, so whatever is in the house the sign the MC is ruled by in your chart, will be heavily connected to your career. For me that is my Virgo Mercury and my ideal career would definitely involve mental work, only of an intensely analytical yet passionately engaging nature.

Scorpio MC people approach success like going into a pitch black dungeon with a torch looking for treasure and fully expecting to encounter all kinds of monsters along the way. They are passion and mystery driven people often drawn to dangerous careers rife with hidden threats.

I hope I do not offend anyone by saying this but Scorpio MC natives are quite possibly the most likely to be career criminals. The very nature of criminal activity is ruled by Scorpio's energy more than any other. They will make a career for themselves in the underworld in some way regardless of what side of the law they end up on, either as a criminal, a cop, a spy, a researcher, a psychotherapist, a surgeon, a mechanic, a deep sea or deep space researcher, a medical pathologist... you get the idea. Careers dealing with secret things. Careers dealing with things in the dark. Careers dealing with the depths of passion and transformation and discovery.

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I've been a bit obsessed with my Scorpio midheaven for the past year. I also have Pluto in the 10th at 15 degrees, near my midheaven which is at 9 degrees Scorpio.

I have Juno conjunct Pluto as well, for those who take asteroids into consideration.

The connection Scorpio has with Mars and thus career for those with a Scorpio MC intrigues me. I have Mars at 22 degrees Taurus in my 4th house, a sort of double whammy detrimented Mars.

Also in my 8th house there is my Virgo Mercury at 21 degrees trining Mars.

I've had an interest in all kinds of careers but looking back they have ALL been very Scorpionic. When I was a kid I wanted to be a paleontologist and my dream was to find a fully intact dinosaur skeleton. I'd dig holes everywhere in my backyard (and in the dirt driveway, drawing some real wrath from my parents) because I wanted to know what was in the ground. I also wanted to be a marine biologist studying sharks and abyssal sea life, a surgeon, a priest, a Navy Seal, a bounty hunter and when I got a bit older (high school) I wanted to study toxicology, biotechnology or genetics but ended up taking a lot of art classes and got lost in a paranoid haze of conspiracy theories and drug experimentation. I had always wanted to be an artist as well but nearly all of my subject matter was very grotesque, scary and intense, even the stuff I drew as a kid. I also always had an intense interest in the occult, secret societies, computer hacking... almost anything I've been interested in I think reflects my Scorpio MC and 8th house Mercury.
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Yep, those are all Scorpionic careers. Although I think a priest would fall under Pisces?

When I was growing up, I had this fascination with becoming a congressman (politics = Scorpio). Now, I'm considering law. What I find strange is that law is ruled by Sagittarius/Jupiter first and Libra second. Why not Scorpio? I think Scorpio has a lot to do with law. If law enforcement is a Scorpio career, then lawyers should also fall under that same sign.
Prosecution is definitely a Scorpionic part of law, as well as all the investigation that law entails. The process of many kinds of trials, where secrets are uncovered and brought to light, is so archetypically Scorpio I'd say that kind of legal process is more ruled by Scorpio than Libra or Sagittarius. Arbitration or legal interpretation are more Libran or Sagittarean respectively. A priest would be Pisces or Sagittarius even but well respected religious positions carry an element of political clout. Also when you consider the whole confessional element of a Catholic priest's profession and the secrets many of them keep, that's very Scorpio.
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Yes Midheaven in Scorpio. Feeling lost at this time as Saturn transits it. I spent my first half in advertising, marketing and then health care. I am now in a midlife crisis. I am looking at Ayurveda and yoga therapy and possibly combining with social work. Not really sure what is next, but feel the first half of my life was not living my life, but what was expected of me. If you have any insights would love to hear. I've been told that having Neptune in Scorpio and 10th leads to an unhappy career and not every feeling settled in a career. That seems negative nelly to me, but perhaps....
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hey will make a career for themselves in the underworld in some way regardless of what side of the law they end up on, either as a criminal, a cop, a spy, a researcher, a psychotherapist, a surgeon, a mechanic, a deep sea or deep space researcher, a medical pathologist... you get the idea. Careers dealing with secret things. Careers dealing with things in the dark. Careers dealing with the depths of passion and transformation and discovery.
Ha if I had to do it all over again, I would have been a profiler. Too chicken to be a criminal, but missing persons FASCINATES me!
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Re: Midheaven in Scorpio And Your Career

Everyone has provided fascinating stories regarding their career/life path. JUPITERASC made an interesting observation about paying more attention to Mars since this was Scorpio's ruler until Pluto was discovered. I have found that the placement of my Pluto relates more to situations that life has put me through for some type of karmic reason. They have not been entirely of my doing, something more associated with Mars. For example, my Pluto sits in the 9th house and has a combination of sextiles, squares, trines and even forms a Yod. Needless to say, I have traveled a lot and been exposed to foreigners and their philosophies. However, these things have not led to a career in foreign diplomacy.

My career path has been trying because there has always been something or somebody that has ruined it at the last minute. I first began working at the age of 14 and worked in anything to make money, but that left me miserable and heartbroken. On the other hand, I have always been creative yet was unable to breakthrough. Some of the blame falls upon me because I was more stubborn in my younger years; but the rest of the blame falls upon my general lack of stability. My Pluto is too active, yet my Mars is afflicted. What has happened to me is that my individual (Mars) efforts to realize myself have been thwarted by others (7th house) and I have wound up following destiny (Pluto co-ruler of MC), which is not always what I have desired.

At this point, I am unsure what I will do as a career. I have worked in a variety of occupations and still feel like a novice. With this being said, I will pay more attention to my afflicted Mars. For those who are curious, I have uploaded my chart.
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I suspect it might be due to my Scorpio MC although i haven't yet searched for it (where would be the magic in trying to figure out every little dot? ; )) ) when i was smaller i was very passionated about archeology.
I do not remember at what age it started, but one of my earliest meories starts when i was very little and i had this book about dinosaurs and i was watching these eally nice cartoons, and i once asked them "Mom, do dinosaurs still exist?" and when i heard that their response was negative i actually started crying becaus ei believed it wasn't true at that there still are specimens existent somewhere xD And i continued reading and buying countless encyclopedias about archeology & zoology, yet i slowly dropped the idea of making a job out of these because i had no chance or opportunity, in my country at least... the opportunities for kids and museum expositions were just as rare in comparison to the situation in other places

And i actually did have a wide range of interests as i grew up: animals, painting, drawing and sketching, photography, the human body, mythology, anciet history (this one not to an expensive degree though, as school made sure i could never open a book again without thinking of my first strict and quite communist history teacher which only got more agreeable in the last year at gymnasium) and now astrology, astronomy & other, well, more occult branches i guess. They are all kept as hobbies though, i am very careful not to give clues about what i learn and slowly integrate them in my life, especially when talking about such subjects like astrology. I always tended to oppose to opening the door to such areas but in the end it seems that it all leads, with a good intention, to a better understanding of yourself and others. And when it must happen, well, it happens. And i like to search, search, search. I still want to live my life actively though, not between books, or in a tight space. I love balance, so i do not plan on choosing a future job which will imply my staying in an office all day long, although i am very attracted to foreign languages (and good with them) and to different cultures, so this is what i will follow at college once i finish highschool
I also put great importance on school and academic results, so... yeah... tipically for a scorpio MC, from what I've read, i do need to be "passionated" about my work to be able to positevly direct all my energy, that will also not deprive me of using a certain degree of creativity. also, the bioenergy therapeut i went to really impressed me in a good way (she did study medicine and now treats athletes and sportsmen through alternative yet efficient methods) so I'm thinking of following certain courses at one point to learn more and maybe even come to practice it Mars is in the First House of Capricorn in sextile to it, Pluto in Sagittarius also in the 10th but on the cusp of the 11th...

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I found this thread while looking up Saturn conjunct natal MC in Scorp.
Ive been really struggling lately with a huge restructuring at work. And just now I checked my chart...tonight Saturn is exact At 16 degrees. So, issues of responsibilty , lack of job security, sketchy bosses and power plays, future changes in the structure of my life all coming up and well, scaring the sh@# out of me, frankly. So job and self transformation... These subjects seem more important than my actual job as far as reflecting the scorpio theme.
I do work for the govt (Capricorn rising) in arts and culture (Pisces moon) and I was blaming the cardinal square and Pluto in cap (in my12th house ready to cross ascendant) for my woes...but apparently its not just pluto clean up the govt (Capricorn) but a hotspot at the top of my chart which I've never paid attention to before except to note that everyone I come in contact with shares their deep secrets (Scorpio) with me within five minutes...completely unaware...

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Scorpio MC is supposed to lead to executive areas.

Of course, this is not true for all based on the positions in one's individual chart.
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Well, thanks, I think....
Everything to do with work in my life is very slow.
Saturn natally in 6th house. And pluto just now direct in transit to the 12th. I may become an exec at 70? Is it possible that Saturn conjuct Pluto MC is just prepping me, not showing a change?
I have a meeting on Tuesday to find out when the appt is with HR. I am also working on a resume tonight.
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If you have studied Lilly and others in his time, 10H has a correlation to Mars; possibly where Moderns developed the ACCIDENTAL EXALTATION of Mars in the 10th.



As many of you realize, providing you have read books by Alan Leo and others, where Leo explains in his time '..even the royalty and wealthy magnates he served in England didn't have their birth times correct...they were many times off 15-20 minutes and needed rectification...'. That is why I include Atlas's horoscope that I believe is actually Scorpio on the tenth rather than 0 degrees as in the map presented, for his fame was about his muscles not his communications or travel!

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This is such a great thread...it is a shame it happened while Mercury Rx was going on!
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The question is do you use Mars as ruler of Scorpio or Pluto?? there are many divided ideas on that. You need to look at the aspects made to the ruler of the MC
and where they are. Planets in the 10th. As well as looking at the 6th house placements and influences which will back up any career moves as well as perhaps the second house of income earned.

I have Scorpio on the Midheaven and Pluto in the 6th, I have worked with criminal matters, life insurance, estate matters, all pertaining to Scorpio's ruler. I also have Mars in the 8th house of criminal matters, large corporations, estate matters, insurance etc, sextile that Pluto. So double whammy.

I use the outer planets as rulers but many dont.
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Re: Midheaven in Scorpio And Your Career

Or you need to be a coroner, hospice worker or assassin?

Agreed with venuschild as I found the notification in my spam box....merc retro indeed.

I have Saturn in the 6th. I also have Cappy rising and am currently working in government...so I figure it all fits. I am still waiting for my job to go from contract to permanent and for them to find the money (resources, Scorpio?) to pay me for what I am actually doing.
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Sounds sensible. And good luck with it. If the astro fits then things will work smoother in your favour.

I have pluto in Libra which is often law..but its never appealed to me. My mother worked in law.

Pluto is I think more of the enforcer. And the detective... always digging deep.

I still dont know exactly how Saturn crossing my midheaven is applying to me...but I guess digging deep fpr my fears and uncertainties about my career til I find a solid footing would fit my situation.

Possible as it moves into Sagg my fortune will unfold..
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Me too! Scorpio Moon & MC. My career cannot and will not be my whole world. Career revolves around life for me, NOT vice versa.

I have also suffered a lotta heartbreak. Poor sensitive Scorpio-Moons...I read they need to possess someone and truly love each other forever in a relationship. I've only had 2 relationships in my life and both of them went up in flames.

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Getting back to the original topic...I have a Scorpio moon, conjunct MC and Pluto...

I have taken many different career paths...Originally my goal was to be entrenched in the world of Drum Corps (akin to professional marching band)...from there I had a stint with the 'underbelly' of the world and arose focusing my career path along the lines of the food industry (farmed, cooked, studied nutrition, edible landscaping, etc.)...Suffered heart break and took some time to recoup...I came out of that transformation dedicating my life to the therapeutic boarding school I worked at...I worked my way into a role as Logistics Coordinator - essentially in control of the whole campus' daily operations - In the end that path physically and emotionally exhausted me because I had too much of what I thought I wanted in my work and not in my daily life (transforming the lives of others in a therapeutic setting, exercising control, having a position of power)...It does not get much more Scorpio MC than that but in the end I was exhausted because I had put all of my eggs in that basket. I think my path was skewed because of my moon placement. I'm now back in school trying to redefine a new path for myself in Creative Writing. The goal for me is to have a balanced life that work is a part of - not to have a career that makes me feel whole...
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I have MC 11 Scorpio, Chiron 18 Scorpio and Moon at 28 all in 10th house. I have had VERY difficult experiences with public life, jobs, schooling etc. Seems like authority figures don't like me...maybe I'm too emotionally driven? My high school teachers would scoff at my insistence that college is not needed to be happy and successful. I've been relatively poor all my life, so why would I want to spend 4+ yrs of my precious life doing MORE school to get a piece of paper that allows me to get a job that will pay me more money than I know what to do with? I'm a Pisces. I'm afraid if I got a paycheck, if there was anything left after the bills and necessary expenses, i'd start using that money on all the wrong things...

And I agree, PD187540. I would SO be a hit (wo)man if it was easy! I couldn't shoot or stab someone, but I would certainly slip poison into their food or gas them while they sleep. So they never know it was me. And the sneaky Scorpio gets away yet again...

Not that I'm evil. The idea just appeals.
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I have MC 11 Scorpio, Chiron 18 Scorpio and Moon at 28 all in 10th house. I have had VERY difficult experiences with public life, jobs, schooling etc. Seems like authority figures don't like me...maybe I'm too emotionally driven? My high school teachers would scoff at my insistence that college is not needed to be happy and successful. I've been relatively poor all my life, so why would I want to spend 4+ yrs of my precious life doing MORE school to get a piece of paper that allows me to get a job that will pay me more money than I know what to do with? I'm a Pisces. I'm afraid if I got a paycheck, if there was anything left after the bills and necessary expenses, i'd start using that money on all the wrong things...

And I agree, PD187540. I would SO be a hit (wo)man if it was easy! I couldn't shoot or stab someone, but I would certainly slip poison into their food or gas them while they sleep. So they never know it was me. And the sneaky Scorpio gets away yet again...

Not that I'm evil. The idea just appeals.
Where is your Pluto and Mars placed? These will give more clues to suitable careers.

Yes Scorpio when fighting is the fighter who uses underhanded means to win. The poisoner, arsonist, trapmaker, sniper etc. The attacks are unseen, effective and dirty. Contrast with Aries who is all above board, smash you in the face with a brick kind of fighting.

Chiron and the Moon ruling this house tells me you will not be anything malicious though, put away such dark thoughts! You will have a career where you will provide much healing and comfort on such a level it will be transformative to those who receive it. The Scorpio is the sign of the Caduceus, the Mendicant who can heal the most pernicious of corruptions and restore true Health to the body, mind and spirit on all 3 levels (scorpion, snake and eagle)! On a negative level yes the Scorpio can destroy body, mind and spirit but your focus is on healing and nurturing these.

Do you study medicine? You would be wise to.
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Speaking of medicine, I just had to respond to this thread. I'm actually deciding on pursuing medical school, and whether my chart says so or not, I just have to do it.

I graduated college in 2006 with a pathology degree, and I worked as a P.A. off and on since then with long spouts of unemployment mixed in. Now, my college ******* me over in 2 ways: I took science courses that were not deemed acceptable by medical schools, and my program was not recognized by this major lab agency, so I could not get certified in my career. That fact hurt my chances at finding a job (hence, the spouts of unemployment). So I harbored a LOT of anger and bitterness over these facts since I graduated college, and I put the blame on my university. These feelings bled out into my work life and personal relationships (even unconsciously, I bet).

So what I'm going to do is a post-bac pre-med certificate program which would allow me to retake my science courses over again. I just discovered last night that there's a program 20 minutes away from me that's a state school, and it only costs $14,000. That's it!! I think I would be foolish not to do this because it would both fix my past (the unworthy science courses) and prepare for the future (medical school). Make sense? I'm 31 right now, which is fine with me. It's never too late, in my opinion!

Chart-wise, I think I'm ok for a medical career. Got the Scorpio MC with Saturn-Pluto conjuncting it (pathology, death, and disease are pretty accurate with that configuration, I think). Saturn and Pluto are technically in the 9th House. Mars is in my 8th in Leo (which is its natural placement, great for surgery and not fainting at the sight of blood).

I think this could work. As long as I'm on a set path with strict requirements that have to be fulfilled with hard work, I'm fine. As for medical school, I don't care about the amount of debt. It's just gotta get done in any way possible for the sake of my existence. I remember reading a Saturn in Scorpio interpretation that said "security in debt or inheritance." I think this would be the classic "finding security in debt" scenario
I think it'd be wiser to go for a lawsuit against the University that ******* you if you can come up with 14k and say "that's it", unless you're being sarcastic

Saturn in Scorpio is a nasty setting for the Lord of Bad Stuff. 9th house will bring problems with the father and... higher education! You could of course cause a lot of problems for institutions of higher learning with that placement so go ahead and hire an attorney, a real cutthroat slimeball. You could make them lose accredition status for certain programs and get them in deep **** with the Department of Education.
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It's funny you mention that because I definitely caused problems for a college....back in 2012. At that time, Saturn was transiting near the end of my 9th house, and it was conjuncting my natal 9th House Pluto. I was in a Master's program at the time, and things just went sour. I gave a scathing review of the professors in some of my classes, and I sent it to the 2nd year students. They apparently didn't like what I wrote, sent that to the Dean of the college, and I was brought up on student conduct charges...all for speaking my mind. Again, this was stemming from my undergraduate college messing up my coursework....the anger and bitterness over that filtered out in that situation. Rather than being charged with anything, they urged me to withdraw and I did just that.

Currently, Saturn is making its way out of my 10th House....and during that time, nothing at all has been happening for me career-wise. I'm unemployed still. However, Saturn is about to sextile my Sun and enter my 11th House in early January. That's about when I plan on finally doing what I should have done a few years ago: complete my prerequisite courses for medical school.

For $14,000, I would be a fool not to do this. My mother just sold her house last week, and she promised to give me $10,000 from that, on top of the $25,000 in inheritance from my grandmother's passing in March. The money will be used towards a good cause....my proper education. Just to think I've been letting this bitterness and anger get to me for 8 years already....

I don't care how long I have to go to school for. I really enjoy learning, and I feel very comfortable in a classroom environment. I attached my natal chart with current transits below, just in case.


P.S. You know how they say to recall what happened during your first Saturn Return when you're 58-60 years old? Well, if I happen to be working as a professor or something in a college setting at that time, I REALLY have to be careful when Saturn approaches my natal Pluto again!
It's not funny, it's astrology!

9th house is the house of essay work by the way, especially in an academic setting. With Pluto there such works by you are powerful and all things Plutonian, but Saturn thus conjuncting can make them powerfully harmful and unlikeable.

When Saturn made its way through my 10th house of career I gained employment that brought with it serious problems. Investigative work in the private sector that brought issues with shady and powerful (Pluto) organizations (in whole signs, my MC is 11th house, Scorpio is 11th sign, Pluto conjuncts the MC). I am still not out of the woods yet with that and Pluto is due to transit my natal Ascendant (transiting my Neptune it was only hints and ideas of what might be going on, as it crosses the Ascendant I am sure I will find out exactly what's going on).

11th house or sign transits from Saturn can cause loss of friends and problems with organizations, which I experienced. Can also mean you cause friends/organizations/society problems. Saturn's a taskmaster so where there are issues in the house he transits, it means there is work to be done. If it doesn't get done, you reap consequences.

Harmonic Saturn aspects to the Sun are good for giving your ego some grounding, harsh aspects debase the ego and harm it. That will be good for study.

Look at the house of finance and inheritance (2 and 8) for any potential issues with purchasing that program. I see only Jupiter transiting the 8th which means investments will bring fortune, Jupiter is also wonderful for higher learning, so investments in higher learning are extra fortunate. Saturn will transit your Jupiter in some time which will give you the authority promised to you by your MC Saturn conjunction if you work hard!

I think when your Saturn return comes again you may have the opportunity for some very in-depth work. But yes it will probably bring problems as well.

It is funny (ah!) that you are keen to talk about Pluto right now as Mercury transits yours natally.
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Re: Midheaven in Scorpio And Your Career

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It's not funny, it's astrology!

9th house is the house of essay work by the way, especially in an academic setting. With Pluto there such works by you are powerful and all things Plutonian, but Saturn thus conjuncting can make them powerfully harmful and unlikeable.

When Saturn made its way through my 10th house of career I gained employment that brought with it serious problems. Investigative work in the private sector that brought issues with shady and powerful (Pluto) organizations (in whole signs, my MC is 11th house, Scorpio is 11th sign, Pluto conjuncts the MC). I am still not out of the woods yet with that and Pluto is due to transit my natal Ascendant (transiting my Neptune it was only hints and ideas of what might be going on, as it crosses the Ascendant I am sure I will find out exactly what's going on).

11th house or sign transits from Saturn can cause loss of friends and problems with organizations, which I experienced. Can also mean you cause friends/organizations/society problems. Saturn's a taskmaster so where there are issues in the house he transits, it means there is work to be done. If it doesn't get done, you reap consequences.

Harmonic Saturn aspects to the Sun are good for giving your ego some grounding, harsh aspects debase the ego and harm it. That will be good for study.

Look at the house of finance and inheritance (2 and 8) for any potential issues with purchasing that program. I see only Jupiter transiting the 8th which means investments will bring fortune, Jupiter is also wonderful for higher learning, so investments in higher learning are extra fortunate. Saturn will transit your Jupiter in some time which will give you the authority promised to you by your MC Saturn conjunction if you work hard!

I think when your Saturn return comes again you may have the opportunity for some very in-depth work. But yes it will probably bring problems as well.

It is funny (ah!) that you are keen to talk about Pluto right now as Mercury transits yours natally.
Definitely the SIGN
AS WELL AS
the HOUSE LOCATION
of any natal planet that rules the MC
influences the Career
and so requires consideration

Keep in mind as well
that unless THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION of an individual is realised
then
no matter how apparently 'appropriate' or 'apt'
a particular career may seem to be
the individual finds difficulty in that area

ROBERT ZOLLER SAID '...The primary motivation is great deal of what we unconsciously
and often consciously
seek for. Once that motivation is broken
or someone interrupts it,
we seek to fix that in the every possible way we can do that...'

How to discern THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION
is on the DELINEATING NATAL CHART thread at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...268#post382268

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The type of Delineation I'm giving here is a mix of medieval techniques with those of the Hellenistic authors.

Robert Zoller played great role in my traditional astrology education and this is obvious for those who are familiar with his work.

I need to mention that even though Zoller was initially very fond on Arabia authors, his basic delineation techniques are taken from the early reneissance French astrologer Morin. Zoller studied with Zoltan Mason who introduced Morin and his basic natal delineation to Zoller. Zoltan was also one of the first translators of Morin.

Here are some tips for delineating the chart in this manner.

1. The good or bad signified by a house emanates from the ruler of the house.
This is the basic rule. The ruler of the house is giver of the material of the house.

Zoller gives the example of his own chart where he has Combusted Mercury in 11th, ruler of 4th. He comments that this kind of placement brings adversity to ones home and dwellings.

2. Benefit in one area of life can be produced by adversity, or even conflict, in another.

Again Zoller gives example from his own chart.
Jupiter in 9th in Scorpio disposited from Mars in 11th: Wisdom coming from conflicts.

3. The delineation tells you the what. The
predictive techniques tell you the when.


4. The Elemental Quality of the Sign of the Ascendant is showing
the type of Primary Motivation of the native.


Fire goes for freedom of action and power.
Air goes for freedom of expression and movement.
The Water signs need emotional security
Earth signs need physical security.

The person with masculine Ascendant (or majority of planets in masculine signs) speaks in active terms: "I did this to that person".
The person with feminine sign on Ascendant or majority planets in feminine signs, speaks in passive terms: "This happened to me".

The Feminine signs seek advice because they need second hand in their decisions, in fact they want someone else to make the decision for them.
Masculine signs seek advice because they have many options so they are not sure which option is better.

Cardinal signs are most active. Cardinal water and earth (Cancer and Capricorn) are working great amount of actions but in circumstances and environment structured already by someone else.
Libra and Aries (Cardinal masculine) are working great in any kind of circumstances.

Fixed signs are centripetal, they need center. They are very successful in Acquisations.
Taurus hoards money.
Leo hoards glory and honor.
Scorpio hoards the hidden things, hidden motivations of other people, seek energy and vitality.
Aquarius hoards Knowledge.

Mutable signs vacillate between the two: cardinal and fixed.

5. Examine the planets which most closely aspect the Ascendant.
These planets add to the whole Primary Motivation thing
.


Planets aspecting the Ascendant represent powers the native can use in the world.

The aspecting planet's local determination will be added to the Primary
Motivation.
(Venus in 5th will add love for pleasure and entertainment to the native's Primary Motivation).

The aspect between the aspecting planet and the Ascendant tells you how the being of the planet and its local determination are linked.

6. The Ruler of the Ascendant by its house position tells you where (what area of life)
the native will seek to realize his/her Primary Motivation.


Look also at all 5 dignity rulers in the place of the ASC. The Almuten and Exalted ruler are lamost as significant as the domicile ruler (sometimes even more).

The Ruler of the Ascendant (as well as the other rulers) by its nature and zodiacal state shows the methods the native will use and the success or failure of the drive.

This is great quote by Zoller:


Lets assume that a person has Cancer on the Ascendant,
The primary motivation of this person is the Need for Emotional Security.
The ruler/s of the Ascendant and their zodiacal and local state will determine How would this be achieved.

Lets assume Moon on IC in Libra Peregrine.
Jupiter in 6th (but 7th sign!) in Capricorn.
Venus in Sag in 6th - Peregrine.
Mars in Scorpio in 4th (but 5th sign!)
Saturn (term ruler) is in 5th Scorpio Peregrine.

We can see that Moon is strong by accident (being on angle), so we can judge first from there.
The need for Emotional Security this person would seek in the home, in the place of the father. The father would be the means through which this person would try to achieve the Emotional Security.
Jupiter - the exalted ruler is weak by being cadent, Venus too. They can't produce much in giving the emotional security this person seeks.
Jupiter by universal means suggest that the native would seek wisdom, religion (and the person actually did!) but by being cadent and in fall, it can't productively give what it promise.
Mars is in 4/5th and is strong by zodiacal state, but is out of sect malefic.
It would try to win competitions, but also with Saturn in 5th will give great deal of creativity. Mars rules the 10th - creativity and looking for career, would also give some amount of emotional security for this person. But by being square with Sun in 7th it means that it will have opposition from authorities and other people in general.

This is great quote by Zoller:
Quote: 'The primary motivation is great deal of what we unconsciously and often consciously seek for. Once that motivation is broken or someone interrupt it, we seek to fix that in the every possible way we can do that'.



I will continue with the tips in my next post.
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One thing I find about natal charts is that signs, placement and houses only have general significance.

Each chart must be analysed in itself to find the native's potential.

A Scorpio MC only denotes loosely executive roles. Two natives can have exact duads in Scorpio, with Pluto in their 7th house of Leo, the Sun in the 5th house of Gemini, but one native's Sun may be trine Neptune, whilst the other's Sun may be square Chiron. These obviously would manifest different results in each person's lives, and especially careers.

It's been said often, but no silver bullets. little more can be said than that..
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Ha, I never saw that Pluto-Saturn conjunction in the 9th House could mean powerful writings. Normally, I would have guessed Mercury conjunct Pluto in the 9th to be more indicative of that. What I do have that could indicate writings causing me trouble is a Mercury square North Node aspect. Maybe that's more relevant here, I don't know. Seeing how my interest is in pathology, I think the writing of death certificates is a good example of Pluto c. Saturn in the 9th House

But yeah, Saturn is the taskmaster, and you have to deal with whatever house he's transiting through. Being a rising Capricorn with Saturn as my chart ruler, I wonder if it makes Saturn issues easier to deal with. In my life, my professional career certainly has been delayed. I might first enter medical school when I'm 33, which doesn't bother me. Am I angry over the delay? Ehh a little bit. But there is a LONG road ahead of me...super long, never ending, constant learning and studying. I feel right at home with that actually. When I think of going to school, studying, and learning again, a fog is lifted. It's like when you have a main goal in mind that gets you fired up, everything else becomes easier to deal with because you know where your focus and priorities should be. Doing nothing and suffering from boredom (my current state of affairs) is quite tiring because you really don't know what to do next. That in itself is very exhausting.

But anyway...

JupiterAsc mentioned primary motivation.
I'm surprised that the north node wasn't discussed at all in that quoted text.

For example, my north node is in the 6th house. I would assume that my primary motivation has a lot to do with 6th house issues (work, public service, health....sounds like a medical career to me). Ruler of my north node is in the 8th as well. I think I'd be good at politics or working for the government too, which that possibly could come after becoming a doctor. There were a few doctors who became politicians in the U.S.A. (although most are lawyers). You never know.
North Node is not necessarily linked with the Elemental Quality of the Sign of the Ascendant

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4. The Elemental Quality of the Sign of the Ascendant shows
the type of Primary Motivation of the native.

Primary Motivation is linked to career
because the chosen career may not realise the Primary Motivation
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Re: Midheaven in Scorpio And Your Career

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Definitely the SIGN
AS WELL AS
the HOUSE LOCATION
of any natal planet that rules the MC
influences the Career
and so requires consideration

Keep in mind as well
that unless THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION of an individual is realised
then
no matter how apparently 'appropriate' or 'apt'
a particular career may seem to be
the individual finds difficulty in that area

ROBERT ZOLLER SAID '...The primary motivation is great deal of what we unconsciously
and often consciously
seek for. Once that motivation is broken
or someone interrupts it,
we seek to fix that in the every possible way we can do that...'

How to discern THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION
is on the DELINEATING NATAL CHART thread at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...268#post382268
For myself I have feminine sign requiring things to happen to me not things being done by me, in Earth sign, Capricorn so very active, happening to me and physically, with Saturn as ruler, conjunct in the first in domicile, retrograde, also Neptune retrograde and Uranus retrograde conjunct.

Ruler of Asc is 1st house so primary motivation realization will be in self immediately, mundanely the head. Ruler of 1st house in 1st house in domicile affirms.

Neptune most closely aspecting planet, 2 degrees of separation, retrograde, visionary mysticism of feminine (happening to me) and physically active nature. Could mean inner physical contact with spirit beings, not direct because of retrogrades. Contact maybe is not the best word, 1st house would be inner expression of almost... so channeling, possession or simply embodying an inner mystical force, Saturn backing it up as inner structure happening to me physically.

Basically physical security is sought from self, inwardly because of Saturn in 1st ruling 1st. Or would it be physical boundaries/rules because of Saturn in Capricorn? Saturn is about rules and boundaries, barriers, a need for active physical barriers inward?

Or am i getting this wrong still?
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