Pluto in Cap= governments transform?

R4VEN said:

Yes, I agree with both your observations, lillybelle.

Interesting that Pluto will not destroy what works in the long-term. Most current economic systems are quite shady (to say the very least!) - lots of smoke and mirrors, with generous dollops of BS.

Pluto breaks down - often quite suddenly and drastically - that which is illusionary. Interesting that Neptune and Uranus already passed through Capricorn, and this is when the real illusions were created. Day-trading- making money out of money - was one such activity which grew during Neptune's passage through Capricorn.

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I agree about the Neptune /Uranus transit through Capricorn being the beginning of our economic breakdown. I think that the sudden bursting of our housing price bubble had a huge impact on our financial situation. To me, Neptune/Uranus opposing Cancer describes that circumstance very well.
And now, with Pluto there, we have hit bottom, hopefully, and people have to dig deep to either stay in their homes, or get the resources to buy one.

sundance...

fleas can be very irritating to people too......itchy! Fly on a wall is much more benign. Though I am much more of an armchair considerist. I just wonder with the structure of the british empire coming to an end.... there were lots of people who benefited under that protection. now that protection is gone... it would seem to be a natural turn of evens for some of the stuff that went on in these far flung places by british nationals to come out into the open..... but I dont think that pluto rights all wrongs... just stirs up the pot a bit so we can see a bit more that we did before....Like the religion stuff, not much as really changed but people are a bit more free thinking and aware maybe. And the changes resulting for this (legacy) might not be seen for many many years.

FleaXXX

Just another observation of how Pluto in Cap is shining the spotlight on clumsy and top-heavy government structures and procedures...............

There have been a couple of features on ABC1 TV in Australia about what has been happening in the lives of those who lost their homes in the bushfires in Victoria in Feb. There have been government grants available for these people, but each time a grant is offered, the people have to reapply - complete with masses of paperwork - for each grant in order to prove identity!!!! Bit hard when most of who you are has gone up in smoke! One couple were not able to access any grants because they'd been building a new home, and had not yet moved into it when it was burned and destroyed, thus putting them outside the necessary criteria for getting a grant!!!!!
Talk about a nightmare of Capricornian propertions!!!

It is the job of Christine Nixon - former Victorian Police Commissioner, now Head of the Victorian Bushfire Recovery operation to unravel the beaurocratic nightmare. She was born 11th June, 1953 - sun and moon in Gemini - and if she can't do it, no-one can.
All the same, I don't envy her in her position at present.

PLuto tends to shine the light on whatever area is represented in the sign he is currently passing thru. WIth Cap Large Corporations & Bureaucracy / public sector, governments could be a part of that.
The USA seems to have been effected in a large way already (from what we hear here). Particularly large coporations. And US Government coming in to take over part of the private sector so the companies survive. This is a major change in the States which has been strongly keeping business & the government seperate.

Australia tho is almost idential to the UK in that we have an enormous governmental burearuacy which is involved in every element of every area of our lives including involved in the business sector.
When there is a crisis of some sort Australians tend to say the government should do this or that.

I think that each country with its own structure will be effected differently by PLuto in Cap. My feeling is that we can already see how Pluto has touched the States & in a big way. The concept to mix government money with private sector money was really a taboo in the thinking in the States but now it has been forced to happen.

Oz & UK are totally opposite to this. One could almost say that there is a strong socialist element in our infrastructure as the government is involved in so much. I am wondering how / if this will be touched by Pluto in Cap.
It is no secret that there is a huge amount of padding in many Oz government organizations. Even tho outsourcing had occured the size of the government infrastructure stayed the same,. Probably because the decision makers are the ones who are senior burearucrats. It will be interesting to see if any of this is touch by Plutos ingress thru Cap.

The prices of houses (a Cappy / Cancer type area) in Melbourne have taken a dive particularly in the high price end in many areas. The auction system & auctioneers had pushed the price of homes in Melbourne to a crazy level. Recently a friend bought a weathrboard cottage in the trendiest part of inner Melbourne for $1.4 million.
OMG you could buy an aprtment on the upper west side of the apple isle for that and gaurantee a more stable value. I heard from my grand father that prices of homes like our friends bought in Melbourne have toppled up to 50%

Were ever you see PLuto moving thru a sign the polar opposite sign also comes into play too. In this case its the Cap / Cancer polarity.

Natasha said:

Of course whereever you see PLuto moving thru a sign the polar opposite sign also comes into play too. In this case its the Cap / Cancer polarity.

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Glad that someone has mentioned the Cancer influence - or more accurately, the effect upon Cancer-ruled stuff - such as the housing loan crisis in US being the straw that broke the camel's..... etc.

It has been interesting watching Pluto moving through Capricorn. I was watching the morning news and seeing how government money was being spent, a tourism minister paid 25,000 pounds on her security, and other money was used for cleaning rugs and repairs! It must be nice to put your hand in the petty cash pot lol. To be honest it's not even funny when I am feeling the recession, and these people who are on massive wages are claiming money for certain "expenses" like their cleaner!!! I am glad Pluto has unsurfaced how money is being spent in the government (Capricorn).

I was writing the other week about the new equality bill that was set up in the UK forcing employers of big business to reveal the differences in wage between the genders, something which definitely needs to be changed. Saturn is also in Virgo so the government has to be responsible for our health, cough cough. This has been evident in the latest out-break of flu, haven't really noticed it anywhere else. Banks, have all come been under interrogation. I have noticed more abuse cases on the news and this would concern the Cancer/Capricorn polarity. I read the role of the father can be re-evaluated, and diseases affecting the older male may appear, this was from Sue Tompkins astrology handbook.

I guess we will keep watching to see what other events unfold.

Your discussion of 'the father' hit on something horrible that we have been experiencing in the states. 'Out of work' troubled fathers have been shooting their wives and kids in astounding numbers recently. I think it may have become a copycat thing too. But it is really awful, and very Pluto in Capricornish unfortunately.

Shining Ray said:

It has been interesting watching Pluto moving through Capricorn. ....................................
I read the role of the father can be re-evaluated, and diseases affecting the older male may appear, this was from Sue Tompkins astrology handbook.

I guess we will keep watching to see what other events unfold.

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That's very relevant about the issues to do with fathers and fathering. I've been noticing fathers everywhere. Just yesterday morning I was driving through a leafy suburb on my way to a garage sale and I stopped to let a young father cross the road with his toddler and a baby in a pram. I was hoping that the mother was maybe sleeping in, but being more realistic, she was probably cleaning up without the kids around.

Since Pluto has moved into Capricorn, my son (who became a father unexpectedly and reluctantly) has truly stepped into his fathering role, and has become a very conscious and kind and involved father. He and his small son are very close. They have regular conversations, like 2 people of the same age. During the same space of time my son has confronted his own father about some things which have been unsaid. This was not easy for him, but it was necessary, and his father did not take it very well. His father was born with Chiron and Neptune in conjunction and seems to be having difficulty bringing these two energies together. (I'm planning to begin a thread on this conjunction as it feels very significant to me, and can help to raise the vibration of this Pluto in Capricorn transit.)

flea said:

Interesting that Pluto is closing in on Britain's Sun, the changes could well be awesome. I wonder if it is ta completion of the british empire in some sense.

I wonder how the exposure of gang culture in melbourne is linked to government attitudes now.

Suppose government and corporations have got to go through the rebirth of noself. Maybe it is a way point in the journey of democracy..... and in a way our search to find common ground between all of humanity. We cant hide our conflict and then hope to find resolution, so there maybe a theme of uncovering ugly truths before the road ahead is clear enough. Fancy talk only gets you so far. FleaXXX

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The above comment was posted 2009 - now interesting News emerges just a few days ago this year January 2012 regarding Jamaica's declared intention to remove the Queen as Head of State

- currently Jamaica is part of the 'Commonwealth' that continues for the time being to accept the Queen of England as Head of State - but in view of this recent news story, for how long? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VPhrvUZNII

A number of former British colonies no longer accept the British monarch as the head of state, but remain members of the Commonwealth. Examples would be South Africa and India. These are two separate issues.

Hello.
When pluto entered in capricorn a lot of transformations started to happen in the society... for example in my country government allowed the law of abortion and the homosexual marriage. At the moment, there is a global effect of pluto around all over the world - the economic crises that started a couple years ago.
I think this is what pluto brings when it is in cap... A big total transformation in the society where you live. Along with the square to uranus, some violent protests started to take action, well let's what it will bring.

Frag