Does My Relationship With My Father Show?

I am wondering if anyone might be able to tell me if my extremely poor and still worsening relationship with my father shows in my chart?

Not sure if my chart showed up, so adding it again now... Thanks again.

There is some discord about the house to assign to the father, I adhere to the 4th house faction.
So your father is represented by Mars in Scorpio, so in domicile, this would induce to expect a "martial" father but not so bad, still Mars is also in the 3rd, so in the turned 12th, this could show his excessive interest for sex and the strange behaviours.
The Sun lord if the ascendant is also in a tight square to Mars, so relationships issues with the father are clearly shown (keep in mind that a square doesn't automatically gives a so negative results, for example a square with mutual reception can be even positive).
The planets are both in fixed sign, so clearly both of you are entrenched in your vision and defend it to the last, fixed sign usually want things their own way and, he being your father, seems pretending that you grew up according to his vision, and you try to defend your rights to be yourself.
We have also Saturn in the 4th, that could contribute to a "heaviness" of character.
You have also the Moon in 4th, although in Sagittarius, conjunct to Uranus.
This conjunctions in general suggests hypersensitivity, being in the 4th suggests that it can often arise because of family matters, mainly related to your father.
Your moon is also lord of 12th, so disgraces, isolation, phobias, self undoing etc, so this speaks even more about the issues.
Yes the chart shows clearly these problems, it is difficult suggesting a way out, probably it would be necessary a more in dept analysis.
Still the chart suggests that maybe even you have difficulties in seeing the matter with full objectivity.
What does he thinks about your values, your hobbies, your projects for the future, your friends?

Allisonmarie862 said:

Not sure if my chart showed up, so adding it again now... Thanks again.

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If that's Aries in the 9th house of Sagittarius teachers, this usually represents your father. Is he an Aries or Sagittarius dominate Sign. If he is a Aries & Scorpio they are both ruled by Pluto and Mars. The are known to be the warriors of the zodiac. Even if they're not in the Military they can war with Scorpio's and it becomes a plutonian/mars relationship where they're constantly arguing, fighting, and it becomes emotionally, mentally, physically, abusive with one another.

I have this in my natal chart and my mother's a Sag Sun and my father Aries.

9th house usually represents the father or father figure. While Mars in Scorpio represents any male figure in your life. Can be friends, co-workers, father, husband, brother, son. What you inherit from your family through knowledge, wisdom, teachings, finances, ancestors, roots, survival skills.

Mars in Scorpio, Pluto Scorpio, Saturn in Scorpio is quite a lethal combination.

This may be part of your issue, because you would need to learn to respect other people's emotional, mental, spiritual, sexual, physical boundaries and discipline your mind, thoughts, and emotions with martial arts of some sort, physical fitness, kind of put yourself through a regular emotional and mental boot camp every day for a few hours a day. There's a lot of sexual, spiritual, psychological energy there and it needs to be dealt with on a regular basis by moving your body around and keeping active so it's not backfiring and causing anxiety, stress, depression.

Meditation, Visualization, training your emotions, thoughts, feelings in a positive direction by paying attention to what you focus on in music, literature, art, media, and keeping your mind in a positive place.

Having some form of Spiritual/Religion discipline to teach you how to discipline yourself.

It would be easy for you to get into with both Scorpio's and Aries and you just have to learn when to move and when to refrain from. Strengthening your mind and not reacting, but responding in a non-violent way when dealing with them. Give yourself permission to separate yourself from the environment and situation if you need too and do something more positive a the time. Observe your emotions, thoughts, and feelings when you're with your dad. I would look in his chart and see what you're butting heads with so you have the conscious awareness of what you're mirroring.

The natural reaction with Mars/Pluto stinger is to seek revenge, be co-vert, and sting someone as hard as you can if you're pushed to far to the the edge. Taurus's don't have that punch like Aries & Scorpio do. They'd be more nurturing to the Scorpio than harmful, and can get in fights but not like Aries and Scorpio.

You have to know how much Aries and Scorpio is your father's chart and how it's hitting your natal chart and the other thing is to look for the Virgo in his chart or Leo. What generation is he? What is his Saturn, Pluto, Mars, in his chart? Usually if it's a Plutonian/Mars relationship you can see the Pluto/Mars in different ways with the aspects.
That you have to see how he's hitting your North Node Gemini/South Node Sagittarius. How his Venus and Jupiter hit the Nodes. Some of this maybe karmic soul lessons.

Whatever you're learning with your father, he'll give you a lot of wisdom and knowledge to carry with you in life if you recognize he's teaching you about something. Like I stated, Mental Toughness, Mindfulness, Emotional Regulation, Conscious awareness. When you educate yourself other Scorpio's and Aries can't rattle your cage anymore and it lifts you out of the emotional, mental, spiritual, and physical pain. You may be a great Psychologist, Psychiatrist if you learn how to regulate that Scorpio energy in the right way. Choosing life instead of emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual death is what most Scorpio's do. When you choose life and start healing yourself than it becomes lighter and lighter.

Uranus in Sagittarius is an indicate Sagittarius may wound you and not always deliberately. So don't look for it all the time, but they can play a part somewhat. Chiron in Taurus are the ones who may also get in altercations with you. As mine was Chiron in Aries and there's a long list of Aries in Sun's who have wounded me since the day I was born. Chiron is also the medicine and healing. I've gained a lot of wisdom from being in the middle of the Aries/Scorpio wars. All my life. So look at your parents North Nodes and South Nodes, who they hang around and how that plays into your own North Node. I find it quite fascinating that it all kind of plays a part in your soul lessons. They're not bad or good, they're playing the part in your life to teach you, before you do the same for others. Take what applies and leave the rest.

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Also, I can't help but be curious GoldenLion you said something about becoming a psychiatrist or psychologist as a calling. This along with creative abilities was my interest in college. I chose to go the creative route, do you see if healing or creative arts\writing stands out more in my chart.

If you don't have the time, I understand, but thought I would ask. Thank you again for all of this.


Also, I probably should have noted some of the more physical abuse instances with my father, Throwing things at me, throwing me against a wall, throwing my brother down the stairs and shattering his wrist after grabbing it, breaking my brother's arm on another occasion. He generally screamed at the two of us, but especially at me for the better part of my teens. I wish I had a definite birthtime for him, but I'm not sure I could get that unfortunately.

Dear Friend


Its possible what you are asking.

Check your propotion from Natal Sun to it's ninth house.

Say it is cancer ascendant and your Sun is in Scorpio,so your
Sun and Moon (the ninth lord from scorpio) are in 2:12 ratio.
So we can say, your reltions with your father are not so well.

Regards
Anup

Allisonmarie862 said:

Wow, thank you both so much for all this knowledge. To be honest, exactly what you said I do every single day. I have to take 30 minutes a day, unless I'm exhausted to do an intense strength yoga or run outside (my father has to do the same). He is a Sagittarius as stated.

Are you saying the sexual behaviors I am just picking up on more than the usual person would? I'm not sure, he has watched **** films at the kitchen table and my husband walked in and was completely disgusted, doesn't want my son alone with him because of this. Of course this bothered me throughout my 20's. It's like he can't see the outside world is there. He and my mother only see what they want and have no capacity for empathy.

As far as his interest in my interests or what he thinks of them, I don't know if this just doesn't show up in the chart, but he doesn't even know my birthday, nor care what my interests are. He literally doesn't know an actual thing about me, same with my mom, and they're both known for being extremely selfish narcissists by most people in the family. I'm just not so sure this is as even and fair as maybe it seems, which is probably credited to my oversensitive throughout my chart, and hence a tendency to victimize myself which will make my case less strong.

He basically looks down on me no matter what I do and has a reason for why I'm horrible, that or he just completely ignores my presence. When people speak to him, he never listens. He can't emote in any way.

I am working on all of this with what you stated above, the mindfulness meditation, working out, and spiritual aspects.

Thank you again, I really appreciate all this information so much, and am going to pull up his chart and see what sort of Mars/Pluto influences he has. I will say I agree I am learning powerful lessons from them, but mostly in the sense that I need to retract from them, and not respond to their anger and just live my own life, setting solid boundaries.

I also feel the need to try to accept that there was never any unconditional love there, nor any real type of love at all, as she get older my mother has become a monster (just ask my husband), who tries to shoot me down and stomp all over any accomplishments I may have. She's become a jealous, angry Narcissist. I swear I am not making all this up.

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Read on ESTJ and ENTJ personality types and see if that sounds like your parents and see what personality type you have. The Psychological types were based off Astrology by Carl Jung.

IF You're and NF, NT, SF in the Socionics, Meyer's Brigg's, or Keirsey, Jungian Types, you will see why you don't get along with them.

Pornography with your father is probably an addiction and you'd probably have to see if he's got dominance in Pisces/Sag/Scorpio because they seem to dive into Sexual stuff I would say more than other individuals.

You just do have to watch yourself being a Scorpio because you're basically advertising by energy with any man. Scorpio's are the orgasm of the zodiac. Everyone has a mixture of what they're attracted too, but some people are more dominate than others in signs.

Trust your instincts and intuition when it comes to your dad and usually your guts, mind, and heart will tell you when to protect people are not. If it feels negative, dark, and your survival mode is flipping out, anxiety, intensity, that's your intuition telling you not to trust any man. It's primal amygdala and limbic system. You can also experience this with illusions of Neptune in certain transits. It's learning to see through the illusions which will come within time if you're learning to meditate and visualize.

There's really nothing you can do about your dad. That's out of your control. The only thing you have control over is your choices, thoughts, emotions, and action and doing what is best for you and those around you.

You're kind of like sticking a Military/Spiritual Warrior in the home and natural response is to protect your land, property, finances, loved ones, and relationships. Just know to balance that in a healthy way and not get controlling, dominate, and overprotective.

Allisonmarie862 said:

Also, I can't help but be curious GoldenLion you said something about becoming a psychiatrist or psychologist as a calling. This along with creative abilities was my interest in college. I chose to go the creative route, do you see if healing or creative arts\writing stands out more in my chart.

If you don't have the time, I understand, but thought I would ask. Thank you again for all of this.


Also, I probably should have noted some of the more physical abuse instances with my father, Throwing things at me, throwing me against a wall, throwing my brother down the stairs and shattering his wrist after grabbing it, breaking my brother's arm on another occasion. He generally screamed at the two of us, but especially at me for the better part of my teens. I wish I had a definite birthtime for him, but I'm not sure I could get that unfortunately.

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Libra is probably where you're getting the arts and creativity. Venus rules Libra and Taurus and they tend to be artists, literary writers, musicians, and and the finer things in life. The Venusian and French Romantic atmosphere.

And also the Mercury and Uranus in Capricorn is lower and higher octave of communications, writing, presenting, internet, technical, communications.

You have many gifts and talents, and can even mix the Scorpio with the creativity. As you see with Bjork who is a creative musician. Many of the Indie Movies, Literary Writers, Artists have Scorpio in the Millennial Generation. They bring that deep natural psychology and psychiatry into their art work and prose. Story telling is the way we've passed on information and taught people through the ages. Even Jospeh Campbell made the Hero's journey off the Astrology Chart that all of us writers use and the Heroine's journey. In novel writing and Screen Writing.

Trust your self and you will find your right path.

Dear Friend

I tried in simple words to explain.
What i wrote was very simple/
In example, as i quote,if your Sun is not placed in better ration,like here 2:12 means,your relation with your father might be so so.You can explain in different meaning.Say, if it is in ratio of 5:9, that means it is excelent.If it is in 4:9,it means you are respecting your fther out of fear..I can explain at length but better wait for some other day.

Good luck
Anup
kascorner.com

GoldenLion12 said:

Libra is probably where you're getting the arts and creativity. Venus rules Libra and Taurus and they tend to be artists, literary writers, musicians, and and the finer things in life. The Venusian and French Romantic atmosphere.

And also the Mercury and Uranus in Capricorn is lower and higher octave of communications, writing, presenting, internet, technical, communications.

You have many gifts and talents, and can even mix the Scorpio with the creativity. As you see with Bjork who is a creative musician. Many of the Indie Movies, Literary Writers, Artists have Scorpio in the Millennial Generation. They bring that deep natural psychology and psychiatry into their art work and prose. Story telling is the way we've passed on information and taught people through the ages. Even Jospeh Campbell made the Hero's journey off the Astrology Chart that all of us writers use and the Heroine's journey. In novel writing and Screen Writing.

Trust your self and you will find your right path.

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Thank you so, so much. I really appreciate all this and will use this to help me navigate my issue with my father (and also career). Thank you both, this was extremely insightful.

And funny you say that, son who is 1 I ordered a chart for him yesterday, and his mid heaven is in Libra which I believe represents my influence in his life. His moon aspects are really wonderful, so this makes me extremely happy we have a chance at a better relationship than my parents and I had.

Thank you again.

I'm of the Saturn/10th house ruler shows the father school of thought. Since you have Saturn in the 3rd (younger siblings, neighbors, local surroundings) in Scorpio, he was like the emotional little brother, stuck in his feelings about things, since it's in Scorpio, instead of the father figure that you needed. Also since it''s squaring you (Sun in Aquarius) there's tension because you are stuck in your logical viewpoint about things, and in the 6th house (work, daily routine, health) to boot. Since the IC (Mother, home, domestic life) and the IC ruler is conjuncting him, she was not at all perturbed by his penchant for **** (Scorpio - since it rules sex). Saturn on the IC also indicates heaviness, limitatations, restrictions and boundaries in regards to home. Also since the 10th house ruler (Venus in Capricorn) is in the 5th and not forming any aspects to you, therfore not relating to each other and he was more focused on creating more children (since those are 5th house matters). Y'all do have a lot to learn from each other though (since squares indicates lessons to be learned) I see you said that you have a brother, do you have more siblings?

Hermeshadesluna said:

I'm of the Saturn/10th house ruler shows the father school of thought. Since you have Saturn in the 3rd (younger siblings, neighbors, local surroundings) in Scorpio, he was like the emotional little brother, stuck in his feelings about things, since it's in Scorpio, instead of the father figure that you needed. Also since it''s squaring you (Sun in Aquarius) there's tension because you are stuck in your logical viewpoint about things, and in the 6th house (work, daily routine, health) to boot. Since the IC (Mother, home, domestic life) and the IC ruler is conjuncting him, she was not at all perturbed by his penchant for **** (Scorpio - since it rules sex). Saturn on the IC also indicates heaviness, limitatations, restrictions and boundaries in regards to home. Also since the 10th house ruler (Venus in Capricorn) is in the 5th and not forming any aspects to you, therfore not relating to each other and he was more focused on creating more children (since those are 5th house matters). Y'all do have a lot to learn from each other though (since squares indicates lessons to be learned) I see you said that you have a brother, do you have more siblings?

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Ok thank you. I have one brother and I let him back into my life so he could be close with my son, but he just kept blowing up at me and yelling at me and insulting my son so I stopped talking to him 6 months ago.

If that's not enough, my husband isn't speaking to his own parents right now. His mother is the most emotionally abusive person you could ever meet. We're starting to feel like we're the only real family
We're going to have.

I do have an aunt and a grandmother on my fathers side who I am extremely close with.

Allisonmarie862 said:

Ok thank you. I have one brother and I let him back into my life so he could be close with my son, but he just kept blowing up at me and yelling at me and insulting my son so I stopped talking to him 6 months ago.

If that's not enough, my husband isn't speaking to his own parents right now. His mother is the most emotionally abusive person you could ever meet. We're starting to feel like we're the only real family
We're going to have.

I do have an aunt and a grandmother on my fathers side who I am extremely close with.

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Venus which is the 3rd house ruler (siblings) not in aspect to you - not being able to relate
Verbally abusive MIL- turned chart's 4th house ruler Venus semisquaring the chart's 1st house ruler Saturn, which would also represent your husband in the chart (Aqua 7th house) = Tension but not as bad as the square
Close relations with paternal Grandmother and Aunt = 1st and 12th house ruler, since his mother or maternal figures is 4th from 10th, 1st house, and his sister is 3rd from 10th, 12th house. The 12th house ruler is the Moon since Cancer is on the 12th house cusp and is in sextile with you (harmonious). Since the 1st house ruler is the Sun (Leo), well what more can I say! Hope I helped, Peace, love and Gnosis!

Hermeshadesluna said:

Venus which is the 3rd house ruler (siblings) not in aspect to you - not being able to relate
Verbally abusive MIL- turned chart's 4th house ruler Venus semisquaring the chart's 1st house ruler Saturn, which would also represent your husband in the chart (Aqua 7th house) = Tension but not as bad as the square
Close relations with paternal Grandmother and Aunt = 1st and 12th house ruler, since his mother or maternal figures is 4th from 10th, 1st house, and his sister is 3rd from 10th, 12th house. The 12th house ruler is the Moon since Cancer is on the 12th house cusp and is in sextile with you (harmonious). Since the 1st house ruler is the Sun (Leo), well what more can I say! Hope I helped, Peace, love and Gnosis!

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I also wanted to add that anything deeper than that I would have to look at a synastry or composite for!

Allisonmarie862 said:

Wow, thank you both so much for all this knowledge. To be honest, exactly what you said I do every single day. I have to take 30 minutes a day, unless I'm exhausted to do an intense strength yoga or run outside (my father has to do the same). He is a Sagittarius as stated.

Are you saying the sexual behaviors I am just picking up on more than the usual person would? I'm not sure, he has watched **** films at the kitchen table and my husband walked in and was completely disgusted, doesn't want my son alone with him because of this. Of course this bothered me throughout my 20's. It's like he can't see the outside world is there. He and my mother only see what they want and have no capacity for empathy.

As far as his interest in my interests or what he thinks of them, I don't know if this just doesn't show up in the chart, but he doesn't even know my birthday, nor care what my interests are. He literally doesn't know an actual thing about me, same with my mom, and they're both known for being extremely selfish narcissists by most people in the family. I'm just not so sure this is as even and fair as maybe it seems, which is probably credited to my oversensitive throughout my chart, and hence a tendency to victimize myself which will make my case less strong.

He basically looks down on me no matter what I do and has a reason for why I'm horrible, that or he just completely ignores my presence. When people speak to him, he never listens. He can't emote in any way.

I am working on all of this with what you stated above, the mindfulness meditation, working out, and spiritual aspects.

Thank you again, I really appreciate all this information so much, and am going to pull up his chart and see what sort of Mars/Pluto influences he has. I will say I agree I am learning powerful lessons from them, but mostly in the sense that I need to retract from them, and not respond to their anger and just live my own life, setting solid boundaries.

I also feel the need to try to accept that there was never any unconditional love there, nor any real type of love at all, as she get older my mother has become a monster (just ask my husband), who tries to shoot me down and stomp all over any accomplishments I may have. She's become a jealous, angry Narcissist. I swear I am not making all this up.

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I was looking for something that he appreciated, a commont terrain that could help in improving the relationship, (even your instruction or maybe your religious vision isn't appreciated?) but if there is really nothing maybe the best thing to do could be avoiding him and the rest of the family.

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I was looking for something that he appreciated, a commont terrain that could help in improving the relationship, (even your instruction or maybe your religious vision isn't appreciated?) but if there is really nothing maybe the best thing to do could be avoiding him and the rest of the family.

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Oh ok, I see what you mean. I think the one thing would be my son, he really enjoys seeing him. I've tried to talk to him about things he would be interested in, I have a Sag moon and we both have many similar interests, but like with most people he kind of glazes over and barely responds. He doesn't listen to anyone unless his ego is questioned, then he yells, rationalizes and goes back into his old ways. It's really sad, he doesn't have any real friends, most of the family avoids my parents because all they do is talk about themselves.

I could probably keep trying, I just don't think he cares to know anything about me at this point. I kind of became even less worthy of his intentions when I questioned his behavior in my 20's and then when I questioned the house, he called, yelled at me and told me I was was wrong, and then once I said I wasn't going to speak to him if he talked to me like that, he baited me for me to talk more and I said I said my peace. He said well, we don't understand your concerns so we can't address them. So he can never be wrong, the more I write this I just think there is no shot for us. He hates me and to be honest I'm ok with that, he's not a happy person. I'll just stick to the distance I guess from here on out, and appreciate when he does see my son that he seems to really appreciate that time with him. He certainly doesn't come here to see me, he makes that much obvious.

I understand, this is rather sad. I hope that he doesn't exercise a bad influence on the son.