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https://www.astro-seek.com/birth-chart/paul-bowles-horoscope
You can also see Regulus interpretation in his site
SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS
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https://www.astro-seek.com/birth-chart/paul-bowles-horoscope
You can also see Regulus interpretation in his site
JUPITERASC
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OPPOSITE OF EXALTATION
IS
DEPRESSION
OPPOSITE OF EXALTATION
IS
DEPRESSION
socrates
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OPPOSITE OF EXALTATION
IS
DEPRESSION
I prefer exile for detriment and fall for depression
JUPITERASC
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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121676
SATURN EXALTATION = Libra 21°
AFFINITY WITH THE PLACES
Saturn - Libra as IC aka death - opposite MC
The Scales exalt Saturn
for they are the Anti-Midheaven of the Universe
changeable
cooling
and death-bringing because of the subterranean, opposing the Sun,
superior to Capricorn
and
configured through superior trigon with Aquarius - its own domicile.
The 21st degree is especially exalting because of Alpha Librae.
Saturn is ''...depressed...'' in Aries for it afflicts kingship
with extremely dry qualities.
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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121676
SATURN EXALTATION = Libra 21°
AFFINITY WITH THE PLACES
Saturn - Libra as IC aka death - opposite MC
The Scales exalt Saturn
for they are the Anti-Midheaven of the Universe
changeable
cooling
and death-bringing because of the subterranean, opposing the Sun,
superior to Capricorn
and
configured through superior trigon with Aquarius - its own domicile.
The 21st degree is especially exalting because of Alpha Librae.
Saturn is ''...depressed...'' in Aries for it afflicts kingship
with extremely dry qualities.
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SunConjunctUranus
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Why are aquarius and capricorn doesn't behold each other even though they are both supposed to be Saturn's domicile? Or is there any special exception for aversion aspect when planets residing in common quality like Aquarius-Capricorn, Gemini-Virgo, Libra-Taurus, and Scorpio-Aries?
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Stars are unfavorably placed when they are with their depressions
and unfavorable houserulers
when they are inoperative, especially with the VI and the XII
when they are not rejoicing with their sects and images
when setting under the beams and retreating
whenever they are not rising alongside favorable non-wandering stars
when they are ascending from SATURN
and
when they are ascending from Mars
both particularly with exchanges of rays
and superior placements.
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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121676
Stars are unfavorably placed when they are with their depressions
and unfavorable houserulers
when they are inoperative, especially with the VI and the XII
when they are not rejoicing with their sects and images
when setting under the beams and retreating
whenever they are not rising alongside favorable non-wandering stars
when they are ascending from SATURN
and
when they are ascending from Mars
both particularly with exchanges of rays
and superior placements.
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JUPITERASC
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One question for clarification:
You said “Operative is angular or succedent (post-ascending)”
. Do you mean Operative is succedent?
Since Ascending here already means angular?
Operative (chrematistikos) in the Hellenistic tradition referred to both the angular and succedent places. In the sample, this would basically mean I gave two points for an angular Light, 1 for succedent and 0 for cadent. This is generally how it is treated traditionally, although there is some slight ambiguity to how operative are the succedents compared to the angles, whether it is a 50% strength, something like 66% or the like. Generally though, they are treated as operative along with the angles, while the cadents are noted as completely useless. So it may have been just a two-grade consideration, and it actually sometimes feels that way.
Note that the operative places according to some authors are different. These authors think that the 2nd and 8th place are worse than the 9th because of no aspect, but I disagree.
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Lastly, you said the Master of the Nativity holds great powers in the Egyptian tradition. Could you recommend some sources so I can look into this? Thank you.
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Petosiris seems to have defined the place perfectly, even though he spoke in mystic riddles: “The beginning, the end, the controller, and the measurement standard of the whole is the houseruling star of each nativity: it makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of basis his livelihood will have, what his character will be, what sort of body <=health and appearance> he will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor rank, will come to anyone.”
Valens later disagrees, saying ''But, how is it possible for a nativity to succeed in everything or, on the other hand, to fail in everything, depending just on the houserulership of just one star?'' - Valens, V. Anthologia.
Translated by Mark Riley.
- https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf - page 54
Valens quotes Nechepso and Petosiris frequently, in two places they referred to the Lot of Fortune as place (the Lots were associated with whole signs/houses) from which ''the whole can be seen'' - ruling place, powerful and controlling.
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One question for clarification:
You said “Operative is angular or succedent (post-ascending)”
. Do you mean Operative is succedent?
Since Ascending here already means angular?
Operative (chrematistikos) in the Hellenistic tradition referred to both the angular and succedent places. In the sample, this would basically mean I gave two points for an angular Light, 1 for succedent and 0 for cadent. This is generally how it is treated traditionally, although there is some slight ambiguity to how operative are the succedents compared to the angles, whether it is a 50% strength, something like 66% or the like. Generally though, they are treated as operative along with the angles, while the cadents are noted as completely useless. So it may have been just a two-grade consideration, and it actually sometimes feels that way.
Note that the operative places according to some authors are different. These authors think that the 2nd and 8th place are worse than the 9th because of no aspect, but I disagree.
Quote:
Lastly, you said the Master of the Nativity holds great powers in the Egyptian tradition. Could you recommend some sources so I can look into this? Thank you.
Quote:
Petosiris seems to have defined the place perfectly, even though he spoke in mystic riddles: “The beginning, the end, the controller, and the measurement standard of the whole is the houseruling star of each nativity: it makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of basis his livelihood will have, what his character will be, what sort of body <=health and appearance> he will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor rank, will come to anyone.”
Valens later disagrees, saying ''But, how is it possible for a nativity to succeed in everything or, on the other hand, to fail in everything, depending just on the houserulership of just one star?'' - Valens, V. Anthologia.
Translated by Mark Riley.
- https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf - page 54
Valens quotes Nechepso and Petosiris frequently, in two places they referred to the Lot of Fortune as place (the Lots were associated with whole signs/houses) from which ''the whole can be seen'' - ruling place, powerful and controlling.
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CapAquaPis
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Yes, the intensification of Saturn we observe in its traditional ruler sign, esp in my sun conjunct moon sign in my personal life in 2020-23, exact 3 years period from Mar 20, 20-20 to Mar 8, 2023 in the first week of the ides of March before Saturn transit Pisces when the sun is in that sign.
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Saturn is associated with skin tone and Aquarian it is of multicultural diversity. In 1963-66 1991/92-94/95 and 2020-22, periods of heightened race and ethnic strife in America and all over the world occurred in these 3 year periods when Saturn is in the traditional ruler sign Aquarius.
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And finally, the gender bending and risen egalitarianism of the biological sexes. In the 1960s feminism when women wanted to wear "masculine or men's" dress and repeal misogynist laws or abolish gender restrictive behavior in society to the 1990s when it seems we wanted to end sexism and stereotypical gender roles as well to now in the 2020s of gender identity, diversity and expression esp with calls to end male privilege, for transgender rights and esp. marriage equality.
JUPITERASC
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All seven classical planets have some affinity with skin-tone
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for examplethese issues are - from a tradional perspective - NOT solely Saturnine
The masculine signs are Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, and Aquarius.
The Feminine signs are Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn, and Pisces.
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All the traditional planets visible to the naked eye this week in the mornings(today June 6th-June 13th when there's a full moon in the opposite direction). https://earthsky.org/tonight/rare-p...wHDxWbI0hc9on7bUUTJVnXAEArUr4Q1M9Bwq9Tp1wEmdo (Saturn to the far right, then Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Mercury near the rising sun).
JUPITERASC
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not a traditional astrology perspectiveJupiter is helpful.
Sometimes, it's so helpful, it helps the guys robbing a bank.
Always inflate, Jup.
because
generalisation although tempting fun
is unreliable
i.e.
Jupiter is of the Day Sect
and acts CONTRARY when not of the sect in favor
this thread is on our traditional board
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=920767#post920767
Sun onto SATURN favorably placed by day
effective for actions, wealth, joy and memories of ancient matters
When unfavorably placed by night, they cause dangers, inactivity,
judgements, bankruptcies, enmities with elders,
deaths of relatives, fearful sights and anxiety.
Chris Brennan
on the concept of reception
in traditional astrology
and
how it can be used as a powerful mitigating factor
in birth chart interpretation
Broadly speaking
reception occurs
when one planet is placed in a sign ruled by another planet
and
the ruler of the sign aspects the guest planet.
Since the signs of the zodiac were originally conceptualized
as the homes or dwelling places of the planets
reception was conceptualized as
what happens when a host planet welcomes and supports guests staying in its home.
Medieval astrologers often treated reception as a powerful mitigating factor
which could make aspects from benefics even more positive
or alternatively make difficult aspects from malefics more constructive.
First part of the lecture - history and philosophy behind this concept
while the second half presents contemporary chart examples
to demonstrate how the technique works in practice.
Stars that precede are superior to those that follow
thus it is better for benefics to be on the right of malefics
and we say this for all assemblies, configurations and like-principles.
In every case it is necessary to
examine the assemblies and configurations with degree
for they become stronger the closer they are to their figures.
Like-principles of daylight, rising times and houserulers
cause harmonious affinity
but it will be very weak if the images are turned away.
It will be necessary to accurately measure
the distances between powerful stars
then measure the same or reverse from the Hour-Marker,
in order that
whatever relations the stars bear to each other
the Hour-Marker may bear to the Lots
and that they may be as they were Hour-Markers.
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Traditionally
SATURN, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS rules LEAD
LEAD IS A HIGHLY TOXIC METAL
AND
A VERY STRONG POISON
Lead poisoning is a serious and sometimes fatal condition.
It occurs when lead builds up in the body.
Lead is found in lead-based paints
including paint on the walls of old houses and toys.
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