How 'bout Ayn Rand, everyone?

The other interesting thing is her Moon placed in 6th ruling over 12th. Moon does not receive any easy aspect but only to Jupiter in Aries which is also Moon's Peregrine, while already in detriment, also a late day chart that Moon has no nocturnal power as Earth sign ruler also. With outer, also quincunx Pluto in 11th house in the sign of Gemini communication, writing toward the auidence of a large group of people, network, community. With her Moon tight conjunction to Mercury the ruler of 11th & 3rd house (2nd sign talent) that is again further confirming her occupation from 6th house>3rd>11th with Moon>12th, under the rulership of Saturn in Aquarius in the 7th sign by within the placidus 8th.

She still had career success no matter what. Mars in domicile ruler of MC, 10th house but 9th sign from the angular 4th house Placidus career but 3rd sign, working from home through writing about philosophy and higher knowledge through the manner of Mars in Scorpio. The content of her career 10th house, 9th sign Jupiter Aries, preaching and expansion of Egoism was Peregrine at 24 degrees, ruler of 9th house 9th sign Peregrine higher learning, rebel wanderer higher ideal/philosophy and intercepted 5th sign her self creativity and expression of life force.

Venus exalted in Pisces but at the very last degree, ruler of 4th house but 3rd sign, placed in the 9th house but 8th sign, the foundation of her being connected to her verbal expression and intellect in both lower and high minds in the nature of 8th a form of death and reform. In a woman chart, first look at Moon and Venus. Her Venus was tightly conjoined with Lilith as a representation of a magnetic, powerful, rebellious woman figure, while t-square with Uranus, Neptune were perfected later on through progression. Then again this very late brightness of Venus in exaltation also rules over 11th house a group of people, supporters, friends, network and the 10th sign Taurus with her career, public recognition as her higher achievement in life.

Not a terrible person, just a very conflicted one. Objectivism to her was the political equivalent of getting a nose ring or dying your hair black. If you think about it, she's the most well known goth girl in the world. She grew up in a communist society, with a inborn sense of discord and chaos, and she rebelled against what she percieved as the source of her inner turmoil as best she could. By being true to her birth chart, she did nothing wrong or immoral. Later, I might add an excerpt from one of her books that really explains her mindset more accurately than most of her quotes online.

I forgot to mention the minor but real pure frustration of the Moon in Capricorn semi sextile to her ruler Saturn in Aquarius. Her very own security and comfort, nurturing system is under the thumb of Saturn in his domicile angular, self-willed, in the 8th house but expressed also through the 7th sign. Saturn received Day Triplicity from Gemini even that is outer Pluto, Saturn is Peregrine from Jupiter at 24 degrees Aries.

I do want to know how the above manifested her influence over Paul Ryan who was her ardent follower.

Jesse Booth said:

Not a terrible person, just a very conflicted one. Objectivism to her was the political equivalent of getting a nose ring or dying your hair black. If you think about it, she's the most well known goth girl in the world. She grew up in a communist society, with a inborn sense of discord and chaos, and she rebelled against what she percieved as the source of her inner turmoil as best she could. By being true to her birth chart, she did nothing wrong. Later, I might add an excerpt from one of her books that really explains her mindset more accurately than most of her quotes online.

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Actually at the end of the day, we are who we are as the natal. If we truly is going to judge anybody, we should be fair and consider their natal resources as well as limitations as a human being at their best possible potentials according to their natal resources. It is a great misfortune of not being able to be better than the boundaries the natal had set for us. Alternative thinking as we are meant to learn what we have to learn based on the resources and role we must act to maintain the ultimate balance of the Cosmic Law.

It could be interesting to compare Ayn Rand and Paul Ryan charts.

What about Ayn Rand and Rand Paul?

Jesse Booth said:

What about Ayn Rand and Rand Paul?

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See this link. The answer of why Paul is greatly influenced by Ayn should be in their synastry.

http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/08/paul-ryan-and-ayn-rand.html

An even deeper look into this: perhaps his father, Ron Paul, is the real influence? Is it possible that Rand Paul is, to an extent, living out Ayn rand's philosophy through his father's influence?

Holy cr*p! I just blew my own mind!


*Can we please stop censoring cr*p? It's such a convenient middle ground between swallowing your pride and getting deleted, I wish I could use it more often! It just seems stupid to have cr*p spelled out on a post, y'know?

Here is Ayn Rand's horoscope:

waybread said:

"Personal survival," Inline?
None of us would stand a chance of surviving without normal social relationships based upon various forms of reciprocity. Think about it.

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@Waybread????????
I was only making a point that being selfish is a luxury reserved for the young and healthy....it was a bad joke i know, sorry.

As for "what life i've lived?"
Pretty normal so far - 2 different countries, 2 children but only one adult, lots of taxes in 2 countries and i run my own small business.

Just a few Ayn Rand quotes I find to be quite interesting...

"Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)."

"So you think that money is the root of all evil. Have you ever asked what is the root of all money?"

"There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist."

TAKE THAT, HIPSTERS! YOU JUST GOT DISSED BY THE WORLD'S FIRST GOTH!
And now back to the subject at hand...

"Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins."

"Upper classes are a nation's past; the middle class is its future."

"The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live."

That last one is one of my favorites.

Jesse Booth said:

Just a few Ayn Rand quotes I find to be quite interesting...

"Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)."

"So you think that money is the root of all evil. Have you ever asked what is the root of all money?"

"There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist."

TAKE THAT, HIPSTERS! YOU JUST GOT DISSED BY THE WORLD'S FIRST GOTH!
And now back to the subject at hand...

"Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins."

"Upper classes are a nation's past; the middle class is its future."

"The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live."

That last one is one of my favorites.

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Force and mind are really opposites. Traditionally, Mars (physical and violent force) wishes to rule Mercury (logical mind) but Mercury becomes inimical to Mars in return (metaphorically representative of the intelligentsia speaking out against martial rulership/laws) and the Ancient Greeks described Mars as being most unlike Jupiter (philosophical mind). Saturn is morality and Saturn will starve out Mars if Mars gets anywhere near Saturn. Saturn energy will seek to dismantle Mars' ambitious energy to dominate by force (represented by conscious/moral protests against martial/rulership/laws).

This is very true-

"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

And this is why I can't stand socialists and their hypocrisy-

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities."

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I agree that humans are social animals, but I don't think sociability necessarily precludes selfishness. In the end, it's all about personal survival and happiness, right? With the exception of romantic and familial love, we don't form social groups for the other person's happiness; I was always under the impression that we form communities and societies because they're more efficient and can offer protections to the individual that solitude cannot (this is especially true pre-modern times).

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Rarely do I ever answer with someone else's words but since it's appropriate for the thread, I think this best sums up and fortifies your viewpoint.

"Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values."

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Also, I think it's important to clarify that selfishness doesn't stop people from serving or giving to others. Of course I'll help someone if I want to or care about them, but it would be difficult for me or someone else to do that if I didn't care for myself first.

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Selfishness does not take anything away from anyone. True selfishness is looking after one's self with one's well-being in mind. If you cannot do anything for yourself, you cannot do for others. The origins of life is rooted within the self and it is up to the self to survive. If the self cannot sustain/survive, it cannot be of any use to others (maybe except as food for bottom feeders).

However, selfishness has been shot down and used as a placard for evil- it has come to represent greediness, slothfulness, insensitivity, and rejection of selfishness and exaltation of altruism is through the progression and widespread powers of Christian ideology throughout the last millennia (which is actually rooted in Plato's Platonic Love theories).

In order to solve a puzzle/issue (I say puzzle only because I like puzzles a lot), one must recalculate at the start, away from the corrupted data, in order to find the origins and understand where it is derived. The answer is, in order to release the concept of selfishness from being enemy #1, Christian ideology must be refuted and dismantled one by one because that's where altruism and its (toxic) teachings come from. Chiefly, refute and dismantle Kant's arguments who wanted to "save Christianity from reason." Kant's theories are very difficult to grasp, and even more difficult to refute.

However, many people will not give up religion, because as I said in my 1st post of this tread, Marx nailed it when he wrote that religion is THE opiate of the masses. Opiates dulls physical pains but it also gives a sense of euphoria and when taken away, any slight pain is all too unbearable. Religion works the same way.

The world of ideas is not meant for everyday living, nor is it meant to enter most people's minds, which is why many cannot even articulate on their own behalf, let alone articulate abstract philosophical theories. As it stands, I hope that during the time I live that the world does produce the most logical and sharp minded individual who can make the more clear argument for rationality and living consciously. Until then, it seems like Ayn Rand is the only modern theorist within the last century who's holding down the fort.