Will Bernie Sanders be President?

Pisces13

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Given all the things we heard about regarding the recently exposed scandals going on within the Democratic primaries, I don't think I will hold my breath, but I suppose I still have a glimmer of hope despite all the corruption that goes on in politics. So I asked, "Will Bernie Sanders be president of the US?" To clarify, I am pro-Sanders. Looking at the 7th house it's ruler is Moon, in the 4th--which is at home. I wonder if that alone doesn't indicate that he isn't going anywhere where he isn't now (career-wise).The 10th house from the 7th is Mars, which is in Scorpio and not making good aspects with Venus, the sign ruling Moon, and it's not at all aspecting Moon, which is Senator Sanders. I think it means he will stay where he is, as Senator, and he will not win the election. Which comes as no surprise, unfortunately. Any takers?
 

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tsmall

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Well, since Bernie moved to nominate Hilliary Clinton by acclaim after the roll-call vote at the DNC just about an hour ago, I'd say the answer is no without needing horary.
 

tikana

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Well, since Bernie moved to nominate Hilliary Clinton by acclaim after the roll-call vote at the DNC just about an hour ago, I'd say the answer is no without needing horary.

not unless Kirby representative gets arrested ... then it is up in the air.. I dont know how to even read this? 1/10 or 7/4

lol
 

tsmall

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not unless Kirby representative gets arrested ... then it is up in the air.. I dont know how to even read this? 1/10 or 7/4

lol

Not sure either, but I beleive it would be along the lines of "If the Presbytery will Stand." Because in order for Bernie to become president the established democratic party will have to be overthrown in some manner.
 

tsmall

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yeah i was thinking that too ...

which house is the Presbyter represented?

I think 9th, but I'm about three floors separated from Lilly and feeling lazy. You wouldn't take 9th anyway for Bernie. Establishment/political party/authority should be 10th, don't you think?
 

tikana

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if he is 10th house and 10th from 10th is rad 7

then .....

moon strong squares the 7th rad...

coming out of squ with the sun the moon ..

its VERY interesting

i always gotten bernie for a president BUT

i am questioning myself of objectivity

see .. here is the logical

if Bernie goes on a ballot, people will vote for bernie ..

people do not want Trump because of his statements
people do not want clinton because of her lies
people do not want bernie because of his socialist ideas
BUT
people would vote for bernie because of rigged DNC nomination but then i have no bloody clue i am not a politician..

I wanna find any connections with the 9th house.. for help to be bluntly honest
 
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Cap

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Bernie is 7th and presidency is radical 10th. Turning the chart implies some kind of belonging.

(Will my brother or father or neighbour or xyz win Olympic gold? Always radical 10th - Olympic gold doesn't belong to him.)
 

tikana

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sooo

umm Deb wrote this on Skyscript

"The 7th is the one you are against, or trying to hunt/catch. I'm not sure that it is the one that you are neutral to - but who asks about someone else when the relationship is neutral, anyway? I can't think of a situation where this would happen, because a dispassionate relationship would mean the querent wouldn't bother to ask the question, surely? In practice, the querent is either set against or concerned about the one that is being asked about.

If the querent identifies with, or is concerned about the other person, then unless there is a clearly identified relationship to one of the other houses (brother, friend, pet, etc); it's usual to use the ascendant to signify the person being asked about. Lilly explains this in the first section of his horary volume. The 7th house is the hunted or fugitive but not, say, the missing person we are concerned about.

This is purely academic of course, because I am very wary of these kinds of political horary charts."

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3803&start=0&sid=fc2322eda1ae755dae302eac2e331e46


Bernie can't be 10th house because we are not asking if he will remain in his office..

so he is either 1 or 7

i would derive the houses if he is 7th..
i'd pay attention to the moon since moon rules ppl .. i believe we ran into that problem in 2008
 

Pisces13

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sooo

umm Deb wrote this on Skyscript

"The 7th is the one you are against, or trying to hunt/catch. I'm not sure that it is the one that you are neutral to - but who asks about someone else when the relationship is neutral, anyway? I can't think of a situation where this would happen, because a dispassionate relationship would mean the querent wouldn't bother to ask the question, surely? In practice, the querent is either set against or concerned about the one that is being asked about.

If the querent identifies with, or is concerned about the other person, then unless there is a clearly identified relationship to one of the other houses (brother, friend, pet, etc); it's usual to use the ascendant to signify the person being asked about. Lilly explains this in the first section of his horary volume. The 7th house is the hunted or fugitive but not, say, the missing person we are concerned about.

This is purely academic of course, because I am very wary of these kinds of political horary charts."

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3803&start=0&sid=fc2322eda1ae755dae302eac2e331e46


Bernie can't be 10th house because we are not asking if he will remain in his office..

so he is either 1 or 7

i would derive the houses if he is 7th..
i'd pay attention to the moon since moon rules ppl .. i believe we ran into that problem in 2008

I agree then that he would be the 1st bc I don't have a clearly identified relationship with him, he's just my favorite candidate (not that I like the others). So I suppose we would use the ascendent. Logically speaking I think he won't win, which makes me both mad and sad. But nothing about the chart really says anything positive either, unfortunately. His name will be on the ballot though, and I'm sure many of his supporters will still vote for him. Whether it will be enough to win or not is another story. Something tells me that even if he did get the majority vote, something shady will happen.
 

Cap

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Yes, Bernie can be either 1st or 7th, IMO 7th is more appropriate.

1st can mean "we" or show larger groups of people the querent is a part of or with which strongly identifies with. It is usually clear from how the question is formulated. Sport fan will usually ask "Will we win?" in a question about sport contest between two parties (1st-7th). IMO, in election question, 1st house is appropriate for an active supporter, member of Bernie's team or such, not for mere voter.

7th house, besides its usual meanings also represents all Public Joe figures (Will Tom Cruise....?), unknown and missing persons and all persons that don't fit any other house or how Lilly colorfully describes it 'any old person'.

4th would be appropriate in the case of revolution or military coup, or in a contest between reigning champion and challenger (like in boxing), not in the contest that everyone could win (like elections). It is not a question about established government but a question about future presidency (always radical 10th).

However, completely another matter is how reliable are these "non personal" questions out of curiosity...
 
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Pisces13

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They are technically non-personal, I suppose, in the sense that I don't know him in person. However, would it still be considered non-personal if the person asking is actively involved in the voting process and they live in the nation where said election is going on? The president does impact our way of life and the nation in which we live, so it is personal in that sense.

Here's another one: Will Hillary Clinton be president? I figure if we look at both, maybe we'll get a clearer picture? She's 7th, Venus, and I turned the chart so her 10th is ruled by Saturn. There's a positive aspect, but also Saturn is retrograde and Venus squares moon...However my intuition tells me she'll win. I'm understandably paranoid though, even if someone else technically won, why wouldn't we assume political corruption will do it's thing and give the job to whoever...it wouldn't be unheard of, it's politics. But that's why I worded my questions like "Will he/she be president" as opposed to "will so and so win the election"--because maybe they'll technically win, but it won't matter. Anyway, here's the hillary chart.
 

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waybread

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These really aren't valid horary questions, because so many people are asking them at different times.

I think Lilly wrote once about whether or not the king will lose his head, but maybe that was more individualistic and personal.
 
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