The "Great" Conjunction?

JUPITERASC

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Thank you for your response.
I’m not sure why you replied to my comment when it would’ve corresponded better with the original comment. It was Liz Greene who made the point of this conjunction not being long or frequent enough to be generational.
I also have to ask how on Earth is the possibility of reproduction at 19 years a credible factor to consider in regards to this being a generational conjunction or not? Attached is a list of the youngest parents. I know for certain 5-10 isn’t a generation lol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

I’m also struggling to understand why you constantly refuse to connect the dots up within context to your information overloads? Do you enjoy the patronising effect it has on people?
Love from the UK
ours is an online international astrological learning forum
the information posted is relevant to the thread title :smile:
i.e.
The "Great" Conjunction
beginners may not know that
The Great Conjunction is traditional MUNDANE ASTROLOGY
 
ours is an online international astrological learning forum
the information posted is relevant to the thread title :smile:
i.e.
The "Great" Conjunction
beginners may not know that
The Great Conjunction is traditional MUNDANE ASTROLOGY

I think you hold great knowledge and insight however please remember I reference natal related questions/enquiries at the start of the thread also. It could’ve been under the mundane astrology forum but it was put here on the natal one.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
I also have to ask
how on Earth is the possibility of reproduction at 19 years
a credible factor
to consider in regards to this being a generational conjunction or not?
Jupiter and Saturn may both be regarded as generational planets
Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit Sun
and
Saturn takes 30 years to orbit Sun
- additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun
Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.

These specific spans of time

chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation”
being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able
to produce a child of their own
in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable :smile:
- that's because some produce offspring very early
and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens.

However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career'
before then producing offspring later in the 30's.
The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:

(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west'
very young - i.e. 12

(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west'
to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30

(3) A combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions

then represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 19/20



 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Attached is a list of the youngest parents.
I know for certain 5-10 isn’t a generation lol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers
USUALLY a generation
averages about 25 years from the birth of a parent to the birth of a child
- although it varies case by case
it is generally accepted that the length of a generation
was closer to 20 years in earlier times
when humans mated younger
and life expectancies were shorter :smile:

Among present-day members

of a contemporary hunter-gatherer people
of Botswana and Namibia
whose lifestyle is relatively similar
to that of our Western pre-agricultural ancestors
the average age of mothers
at the birth of their first child was 20 years
and at the last birth 31
giving a mean of 25.5 years per female generation
which is considerably above the 20 years
commonly attributed to 'primitive cultures'.
Fathers were six to 13 years older than mothers
giving a male generational interval of 31 to 38 years.
(source: sociologist Nancy Howell)

Alternatively,
population geneticists Marc Tremblay and Hélène Vézina

found a generational interval, based on the years between parents’ and children’s marriages
to average 31.7 years
and
they determined that male generations averaged 35.0 years
while female generations averaged 28.7 years.
(source: 100 ascending Quebec genealogies)

A separate study by Biological anthropologist Agnar Helgason and colleagues
who used the Icelandic deCODE genetics database
to arrive at a female line interval of 28.12 years for the most recent generations
and 28.72 years for the whole lineage length.
Male line lineages showed a similar difference
—31.13 years for the recent generations
and 31.93 years overall.

For a more mathematically appealing average then

Helagason and fellow researchers recommended
estimating female generational line intervals at 30 years
and male generational intervals at 35 years
- based on the Quebec and Iceland studies.

We need to keep in mind
that current understandings in physical and biological sciences
are subject to change
as more data becomes available
and that data’s interpretation becomes more certain.

So, for now
when genealogists want to convert generations to years
and create probable date ranges, using an evidence-based generational interval
such as Helagason’s 30 and 35 years
- or even one developed based on your own family history research :smile:
may be the best solution.
 

greybeard

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I like this approach. Although the fatalistic approach is entertaining I hate when it's used against people. Thank God that wasn't the case here greybeard.

I can't answer this question vaguely. A lot has happened in my time, good and bad. And to this day. Likewise to everybody.

I don't know if it's a Pluto aspect to my Moon thing but I'm rather private. Without exhibiting too much, I do have mental health issues. I have suffered with anxiety and depression since I can remember. I was clinically diagnosed at 12 of both. I still manage to be productive nonetheless. Maybe it's Saturn? I think it trines my mars.

Is this what you was even asking????????


:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

I wasn't really asking anything. Just suggesting a way to discover how Jupiter and Saturn operate in your life.

For example, you say "diagnosed at 12." It so happens that the orbital period of Jupiter is 12 years. So, do "diagnosis" & "Jupiter return" coincide in time?

If I recall, the conjunction of Jupiter to Saturn is something over 9 degrees. We can use these natal orbs, or degrees of separation, as rough measures of time: one degree equals one year. So, somewhere in your tenth year (between 9-10) the conjunction perfects by direction and corresponding events and conditions manifest. I would suspect that what becomes "diagnosis at 12" has its evident origin here, the "beginning" [conjunction] of the process (which actually originates at birth) of this 12th house affair.

And 12th house affairs are by nature hidden, obscured, dark and secret, unconscious. They can be hard to find. And the stars bring light.
 
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