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Astrological Parts. Known and Unknown...a project

Greetings. I've been meaning to tackle this project for some time. I referring to what are known as the Arabic Parts/Lots, Hermetic Parts/Lots and all other 'Parts/Lots for which there is no known appellation or have yet to be recognized that are based on the Ascendant as the 'personal point' and either the Planets, the Luminaries, the Part of Fortune, or other House Cusps as the 'Significators' and the 'Triggers'. I am also going to include a few recognized [even if not well known] that have a determining formula that is aberrant from the standard of the Asc. as the 'Personal Point'...but those will come lastly.
I will list all using the Asc. as the 'Personal Point' to start. I will list them in order of their relation to the Sun...that is from Mercury to Pluto followed by the Sun and then the Moon.
I will give the formula and then any titles to these Parts/Lots that I know to be published. Those that I don't know to have no known title will remain blank. If any member has knowledge of a title for any of the blank ones or any other title to the titled ones please contribute. As the contributions appear I will edit this original list to include them.
As for those that remain blank I hoping we can get a discussion going here as to what they should be so titled. It will take some time to determine a consensus and it won't happen overnight. Once I believe we have a resounding consensus I will add that title to the list but in the colour of purple so as not to confuse them with those that are presently known of and published. For those Part/Lot's presently unknown that might possibly get a contribution from 'channeled' sources I will will add in the colour of green. For any known title that might possibly be better described by a synonym that a member thinks is more appropriate, or has reason to believe that another title of an unrelated influence altogether is correct, I will add that in the colour of red...but may remove it if there is any outcry and I'm given good reason to disregard the suggestion.
This will take some time for me to create the entire list so bear with me...if something should disrupt my membership here I ask the Mods to consider allowing another member to continue this work and have access to the editing if that is possible or have a member copy all and then continue the work....whatever's the best in their estimation.
I am posting this in the Degree Symbols forum as I am a Sabian Astrologer...and thus, as I use Sabian Symbology as a tool of rectification, I feel it is best for all that it be placed here...as I may want to analyze any new contributions to the unknowns by applying it to well know personages and deliberating from there...but not without input and consensus from other members...especially those members versed and studied in Sabian Symbology.
As I believe, and am sure some of you will agree, that sometimes the only known existing title for a formula may be entirely erroneous and if such a question should arise I will place an asterisk by the existing name so as to refer to a footnote...and if there is a consensus or suggestion of another title I will include it in the appropriate color of purple, red or green with an asterisk and refer to a footnote.
For those of you that adhere to other degree symbol sets please refrain...or start your own thread on this subject...thanks.
So, lets get started!
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Mercury
Asc. + Merc. - Sun: Commerce* &, or, Communication, Caduceus, Intellect [which maybe too close a word to Intelligence which Mars - Merc. has been est. as the Part of Intelligence &{as applied to a} Skill], Ordinary Intellect [whatever that is? I'm presently inclined towards 'Mental Endurance' or 'Vitality of the Intellect'], Vitality
Asc. + Merc. - Moon: Faith, Trust, Religion*, Modesty, Prejudice, Rumors[very dubious...Faith/Trust have been the overwhelming consensus for some time...I concur], Timidity and Hiding*, Travel[highly dubious...many other formula are given for Travel and diff. types of travel]
Asc. + Merc. - Venus: Art, Venture
Asc. + Merc. - Mars: Lawsuits, Disputes, Luck-Release[?], Innocence, Naivete
Asc. + Merc. - Jupiter: Hope, Association, Integrity, Sensitivity
Asc. + Merc. - Saturn: Danger, Violence, Debt, Aloofness, Aptness
Asc. + Merc. - Uranus: Astrology*[I concur], Eccentricity
Asc. + Merc. - Neptune: Gossip, Intrusion
Asc. + Merc. - Pluto: Popularity*, Transformation of Other Peoples' Minds
Asc. + Merc. - Part of Fortune: unknown
Asc. + Merc. - Part of Spirit/Soul: unknown
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Venus
Asc. + Venus - Sun: Love*, Appreciation, Beauty, Contentment, Intercourse*[Verbal, Trade, and for ??female??], Man's Marriage*, Peace, Property Management, Trickery and Deception of Men & Women*[Highly Dubious]
Asc. + Venus - Moon: Daughters, Comfort, Condition of Females
Asc. + Venus - Merc.: Treasure, Merchants and their Work, Security
Asc. + Venus - Mars: Play, Plays[?], Rapid Change and Variety[?], Activity, Pastime [personal recreation]
Asc. + Venus - Jupiter: Praise, Praise and Acceptance, Love and Marriage*, Sentiment
Asc. + Venus - Saturn: Man's Marriage*, Fraudulent Marriage[and conditions facilitating it], Sons In Law, Success in Investment[dubious as, either, Jupiter - Merc, or, Jupiter - Neptune, or, Moon - Saturn seem to be covering this] Obligations of Love, Devotional Duty
Asc. + Venus - Uranus: Fascination, Perversion
Asc. + Venus - Neptune: Deceit, Vanity
Asc. + Venus - Pluto: Popularity*, Influence, Self Sacrifice
Asc. + Venus - Part of Fortune: unknown Compassion
Asc. + Venus - Part of Spirit: Eros [one of the seven Hermetic Lots], Part of Venus, Pars Veneris, Love & Concord
Asc. + Venus - Cusp 7th: *Divorce
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Mars
Asc. + Mars - Sun: Commerce*, Business, Passion, Daring, Destruction, Lost Animal, Passion-Destructive [or] Sword,
Asc. + Mars - Moon: Trickery*, Trickery and Deception of Men & Women* Intercourse*[Verbal, Trade, and for ??female??], Woman's Marriage*, Memory, Misconduct by Women, Timidity and Hiding*, Unchastity of Women,
Asc. + Mars - Mercury: Intelligence/Skill, Wisdom*, Mind[modern], Mind/Understanding/Intelligence of Male, Reasoning and Eloquence, Rectitude, Administrators
Asc. + Mars - Venus: Fulfillment, Disappointment*, Endings, Passion-Emotional & Affectionate, Acts Born Out of Love
Asc. + Mars - Jupiter: Debate, Daring Action, Negotiation, Arrogance
Asc. + Mars - Saturn: Sickness, Danger, Enmity, Distress, Upset, Necessity and Wish[very dubious], Ancestors/Relations[day] Secret Enemies*, and the diurnal formulae for the Part of Substanciae or Point of Substance, and also the, Lot of Accusation
Asc. + Mars - Uranus: Surprise, Homosexuality, Coincidence
Asc. + Mars - Neptune: Disappointment*, Popularity*, Personal Restraint
Asc. + Mars - Pluto: Preparation Popularity, War, War, War ["War" It earned all three colours in less than a week, It could also be titled, more appropriately for natal use, as 'Blind Rage', or also, for both natal and mundane use, as 'Destructive Action'. For mundane purposes, "War" is very appropriate.]
Asc. + Mars - Part of Fortune: unknown
Asc. + Mars - Part of Spirit/Soul: unknown
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Jupiter
Asc. + Jupiter - Sun: Increase & Benefits [I have found to be unquestionably for natal use but may yet prove to be as well for other type charts] Fame, Recognition, Time for Action*, Wisdom*, Happiness, Impression*, Operations and Orders Medical Treatment* [In use since Greco-Roman times] Parents[Traditional]*, Death of Parents, Traditions and Knowledge of Customs/Affairs [unknown use as to natal or horary] "Fame", "Recognition", "Happiness" and "Increase & Benefits", e.g. $$$, do seem to go together...yet the overwhelming consensus by noted use is currently "Increase and Benefits"],
Asc. + Jupiter - Moon: Sons*, Dependence [could they mean dependents as in 'sons'?]
Asc. + Jupiter - Merc.: Benevolence, Assurance, Real Estate Investments
Asc. + Jupiter - Venus: Mothers Family, Marriage for Love or Love and Marriage*, Love*
Asc. + Jupiter - Mars: Discord, Controversy, Loneliness, Waste and Extravagance*, Discord, Children ( Time, Number & Sexes of) Condition of Males
Asc. + Jupiter - Saturn: Brethren*, Death of Parents, Brothers and Sisters, Children*, Past Life/Re-incarnation
Asc. + Jupiter - Uranus: Sudden Luck, Bequest
Asc. + Jupiter - Neptune: Speculation, Behest, Suicide[for Suicide I believe in the formula: Asc + Cusp 8th - Neptune, I've analyzed and seen many charts that support this]
Asc. + Jupiter - Pluto: Benevolence* [I surmise it to be something rather as to Destructive Philosophy, Destructive Growth, Destructive Gifts, or Contrariness. Or it could be: Transformation of Philosophy, Transformative Growth{which is my favored at present}]
Asc. + Jupiter - Part of Fortune: Success
Asc. + Jupiter - Part of Spirit: Victory [one of the seven Hermetic Lots],Part of Jupiter, Happiness, Pars Iovis
Asc. + Jupiter - Cusp 5th: Speculation
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Saturn
Asc. + Saturn - Sun: Fatality, Fate, Tragedy, Brethren*, Conquest [use Jupiter if Saturn is combust], Father*, Heaviness [use Jup. if Sat. is combust], Karma , [Jup. if Sat. combust], Love of Brethren, Parents[Traditional]*, Allegiance
Asc. + Saturn - Moon: Hidden Identity, Influence, Oration
Asc. + Saturn - Merc.: Brethren and Friends, Destruction Occupation Severity[?], Faithfulness, Stability
Asc. + Saturn - Venus: Economy, Commerce, Fortune in Husbandry, Labor, Woman's Marriage*, Agriculture
Asc. + Saturn - Mars: Surgery*, Police, Army, Heavy Planet[?], Ancestors/Relations[night] and the following as to being the nocturnal formulae for the Part of Substanciae or Point of Substance, and also the, Lot of Accusation
Asc. + Saturn - Jupiter: Siblings and Family, Brethren*, Children*, Life, Re-Incarnation [I favor Re-inc. as per my exp. to date] Current Life/Re-incarnation
Asc. + Saturn - Uranus: Sudden Parting
Asc. + Saturn - Neptune: Slander, Timidity*
Asc. + Saturn - Pluto: Repression
Asc. + Saturn - Part of Fortune: unknownn
Asc. + Saturn - Part of Spirit/Soul: unknown
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Uranus
Asc. + Uranus - Sun: Catastrophe, Bigotry, Lightning Flash[?], Ostracism & Loss,
Asc. + Uranus - Moon: Unusual Events, Misinterpretation,
Asc. + Uranus - Merc.: Messages and Astrology*, Originality, Omens & Signs, Eccentricity
Asc. + Uranus - Venus: Wastefulness*
Asc. + Uranus - Mars: Transformation[a most doubtful title for this Part as Pluto is the Planet of Transformation], Unpreparedness, Intuitive Awareness of Higher Self
Asc. + Uranus - Jupiter: Happiness, Entertainment
Asc. + Uranus - Saturn: Exile, Catastrophe & Exile, Confidence
Asc. + Uranus - Neptune: Termination, Occultism*
Asc. + Uranus - Pluto: Change
Asc. + Uranus - Part of Fortune: unknown
Asc. + Uranus - Part of Soul/Spirit: unknown
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Neptune
Asc. + Neptune - Sun: Treachery, Madness, Self Entrapment, Caution
Asc. + Neptune - Moon: Duplicity, Delusion
Asc. + Neptune - Merc.: Fraud, Divination[very plausible]
Asc. + Neptune - Venus: False Love, Corruptness, Ideal Love, Idealized Love, Ideal Love, Idealized Love
Asc. + Neptune - Mars: Damage, Misunderstanding
Asc. + Neptune - Jupiter: Cancer, Malignancy, Perspicacity
Asc. + Neptune - Saturn: Obstruction, Caution
Asc. + Neptune - Uranus: Occultism*, Guidance, Inspiration
Asc. + Neptune - Pluto: Slyness
Asc. + Neptune - Part of Fortune: unknown
Asc. + Neptune - Part of Spirit/Soul: unknown
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Pluto
Asc. + Pluto - Sun: Organization*, Gavel[?], Miracles, Sublimation of the Ego to the Spiritual
Asc. + Pluto - Moon: Influence and Magnetism
Asc. + Pluto - Merc.: Location, Transformation of the Mind
Asc. + Pluto - Venus: Libido, Energy, Stimulation
Asc. + Pluto - Mars: Strategy
Asc. + Pluto - Jupiter: Positive and Helpful Changes
Asc. + Pluto - Saturn: Organization*
Asc. + Pluto - Uranus: Radical Change
Asc. + Pluto - Neptune: Subtle or Hidden Changes
Asc. + Pluto - Part of Fortune: unknown
Asc. + Pluto - Part of Soul/Spirit: unknown
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Sun
Asc. + Sun - Moon: [one of the seven Hermetic Lots] Soul, Spirit [Day Formula], Soul, Spirit, Fortune [Night Formula], Religion*, Pars Futurorum, Part of Things to Come, Pars Solis, Part of the Sun, Abundance in the Home
Asc. + Sun - Merc.: Liberty, Liberty of Person, Temperament
Asc. + Sun - Venus: Harmony*, Boredom, Dis-interest
Asc. + Sun - Mars: Retribution, Initiative
Asc. + Sun - Jupiter: Accomplishment, Histories and Science, Fame-Wisdom
Asc. + Sun - Saturn: Father*, Advancement, "Celebrity of Rank" [similar meaning to 'Advancement'?], "Sudden Advancement"[Use Jupiter if Saturn combust. As to which I do not concur Asc + Part of Fortune - Saturn is also given for Sudden Adv. and I concur....though the same formula is given for "Nemesis" in the Hermetic Lots. Why it might be known as both "Sudden Advancement" and "Nemesis." could possibly be whether one is adhering to a 'Trad.' astrological technique of interpretation or that of, or similar to, "Esoteric Astrology" {That associated with the Theosophists}. I'm now convinced that both titles are appropriate in that it's a matter of perspective and judgement at life's end. It has been showing it self in each persons chart I was familiar enough with both chart and person, it has proven to be a formidable task, although attainable. Whether it proves to be your "Nemesis" or, that of your, "Sudden Advancement" is the call. "Understanding and Wisdom"[Dubious see Mars - Merc.]
Asc. + Sun - Uranus: Individuality*, Intellectuality* Surety
Asc. + Sun - Neptune: Imprisonment and Captivity*, Genius [neither, imho. I'm current inclined towards the notion of 'Spiritual Resonance'. Or on a mundane level, 'Co-operation']
Asc. + Sun - Pluto: Interaction, Deposition of the Ego to the Spiritual
Asc. + Sun - Part of Fortune: Noble and Illustrious Acquaintances-diurnal, Powerful Friends, Those That You Deem To Be Noble & Illustrious Acquaintances. [See reverse formula below, it is those that deem you as such]
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Moon
Asc. + Moon - Sun: [one of the seven Hermetic Lots] Fortune [Day Formula]Fortune, Spirit, Soul [Night Formula], Time of Marriage[I assume this is for Horary], Pars Fortunae, Part of the Moon, Jan. 2014, it has come to light that this part, being the polar opposite of the Part of Soul/Spirit, is actually about what many would describe to be 'Christ Consciousness' or 'Krishna Consciousness' as the Part of Soul/Spirit is proving to be a Part that deals with the realization of ones current dharma in this life... it is a mental concept that when applied to ones own self identity it reflects back the nature of the very Soul itself as to its present incarnation. I propose that the Part of Fortune, repeatedly showing itself to be symbolic of that action or attitude one must actively employ as to give cause for the occurrence of the most 'Fortunate' circumstances for ones spiritual progress and evolution in the physical world, thus is the positive charged end of the one end of the Pole and could be said to be the +Son and the Part of Soul being the -Son...be given an alternate title for use at times when one finds it to be the appropriate...as... the "Part of the Oversoul" [or] Part of Christ, or Krishna Consciousness, if you prefer.]
Asc. + Moon - Merc.: Service, Servants, Spiritual Service, Cooperation, Curiosity, Discernment and Education, Good Manners and Charm, Information, Knowledge of veracity and/or falsehood, Servants and Slaves, Slavery and Bondage[highly suspect...a product of the Dark Ages no doubt...Spiritual Service has been indicated here for every chart I've analyzed]
Asc. + Moon - Venus: Mother, Mind/Understanding/Intelligence of Female, Offspring
Asc. + Moon - Mars: Kings, Royalty, Rulers, Disassociation
Asc. + Moon - Jupiter: Luck, Sons*
Asc. + Moon - Saturn: Inheritance & Legacy, Spiritual Inheritance & Legacy- [of this I'm very convinced], Profession, Real Estate [non investment], Deep Reflection [contemplation?], Heritage, Magistery and Profession, Mastery, Possessions, Military & of Daring, Militiae et Audaciae
Asc. + Moon - Uranus: Friends, Dramatization
Asc. + Moon - Neptune: Insincerity [seems very wrong to me... as all Parts with Moon as significator are benevolent/positive it seems...see Neptune - Moon for comparison], Revelation [11/15/12 I am now convinced of Rev.]
Asc. + Moon - Pluto: Galvanization, Race and Race Consciousness[?]
Asc. + Moon - Pre-natal New or Full Moon [whichever was most recent]: Part of Hyleg*, Life
Asc. + Moon - Ruler Asc.: Daring, Strength, Dominion, Audaciae, Fortitudinis, Dominii,
Asc. + Moon - Ruler 1st: Anareta (taker of life), Killing Planet, Boldness(doubtful. See Asc + Part of Fortune - Mars)
Asc. + Moon - Ruler Cusp12th: of Bondage, Killing Planet
Asc. + Moon - Depositor of Moon [Ruler, same thing]: Slavery & Bondage [I very much concur with this being of Bondage due to karmic indebtedness]
Asc. + Moon - Cusp 8th: Ancestral Heritage
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Asc. + Other than Planets or Luminaries or - Other....

Asc. + Cusp 2nd - Ruler 2nd: Movable Property, Possessions
Asc. + Cusp 3rd - Mercury: Capacity of the Mind, Short Distance Travels
Asc. + Cusp 5th - Jupiter: Speculation
Asc. + Cusp 5th - Ruler 5th: Sexual Attraction
Asc. + Cusp 7th - Venus: Partners
Asc. + Cusp 7th - Saturn: *Divorce
Asc. + Cusp 8th - Moon: Death & Disaster, Delays
Asc. + Ruler 8th - Saturn: Perilous & Most Dangerous Year
Asc. + Cusp 8th - Neptune: Assassination, Suicide
Asc. + Cusp 9th - Mercury: Higher Education
Asc. + Cusp 9th - Uranus: Travel by Air [if Asc. - Mercury is Higher Ed. then surely Uranus would be the trigger for Higher Self Knowledge or Intuitive Understanding]Wisdom
Asc. + Cusp 9th - Ruler 9th: Long Distance Travels, Land
Asc. + M.C. - Sun: Death of Brother
Asc. + Cusp 11th - Uranus: Imagination, Intuition
Asc. + Cusp 11th - Ruler 11th: Hopes & Wishes
Asc. + Cusp 12th - Ruler 12th: *Hermetic Lot of Secret Enemies aka Private Enemies
Asc. + Cusp 12th - Neptune: Assassination
Asc. + Ruler 8th - Saturn: Peril
Asc. + Ruler 12th - Neptune: Assassination, Self Undoing [inclined to the former, see my thread on using Astrological Parts in Predictions]
Asc. + Ruler of Sign of Sun - Sun: Captivity* (Diurnal birth)
Asc. + Ruler of Sign of Moon - Moon : Captivity* (Nocturnal birth)
Asc. + Ruler of Moons' House - Moon: Expected Birth
Asc. + Ruler of Saturns' House - Saturn: Captivity*
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Cusp 1st: Sorrow, Business Injury
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Ruler 1st: Sorrow (source; Winstar astr. software)
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Part of Soul: Merchandize, Part of Base Desires/Concerns, see Part of Basis, Bad Luck
Asc. + Part pf Fortune - Sun: Noble & Illustrious Acquaintances-nocturnal, Powerful Friends [the reverse of this formula having the Sun and Pof switch places is also given for this Part-diurnal].Those That Will Deem You As A Noble & Illustrious Acquaintance
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Moon: unknown
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Mercury: Necessity [one of the seven Hermetic Lots], Part of Mercury, Pars Mercurii, Poverty & Ordinary Intellect
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Venus: unknown
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Mars: Courage [one of the seven Hermetic Lots], Daring, Part of Mars, Pars Martis
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Jupiter: unknown
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Saturn: Sudden Advancement*, Nemesis [one of the seven Hermetic Lots, read also footnote to Sudden Adv.], Part of Saturn, Pars Saturni, Escape from Captivity, Heavy
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Uranus: unknown
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Neptune: Imprisonment
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Pluto: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Sun: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Moon: Unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Mercury: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Venus: Lot of Psyche
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Mars: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Jupiter: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Saturn: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Uranus: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Neptune: Ally
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Pluto: unknown
Asc. + Part of Spirit/Soul - Part of Fortune: Basis, [day formula. rev. for nocturnal according to some]Jan. 2014, we are of the opinion at this time that the above diurnal formula produces a Part of Spiritual Aspirations and the reverse [or so called, nocturnal] a Part of Base Desires/Concerns, Constancy
Asc. + S. Node - Neptune: Addiction
Asc. + 19* Aries - Sun: Nobility & Honor [day formula]
Asc. + 03* Taurus - Moon: Nobility & Honor [night formula]
Asc. + 10* Gemini - Sun: Death of Siblings
Asc. + 15* Cancer - Saturn: Travel By Water
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M.C. or any other House cusp as the Personal Point
M.C. + Sun - Moon: Destiny
M.C. + Moon - Sun: Vocation, Status
M.C. + Part of Fortune - Moon: Durga i.e. that which dispels the Darkness. (a newly revealed Part, that was given its interpretation from a proven and trusted channeled source)
[all other House Cusps as the Personal Point]
C3rd + C9th - Mercury: Legal Affairs
C7th + Moon - Sun: Cooperation
C8th + Mars - Moon: Decapitation
C8th + Saturn - Moon: Death [medieval]
C9th + C3rd - Venus: Weddings
C10 + Saturn - Sun: Torture
C12th + Ruler 12th - Neptune: Bereavement
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Any Planet, or Luminary, as the Personal Point
Moon + Cusp 4th - Ruler Asc.: Part of Find [Lost object, obviously a Part that's used for Horary charts, exclusively also, I'd wager.]
Mars + Venus - Cusp 5th: Lovers
Mars + Saturn - M.C.: Death (point)
Mars + Neptune - Uranus: Assassination
Jupiter + Neptune - Uranus: Bankruptcy
Saturn + Jupiter - Sun: Leave Job, Separation from Occupation

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* Astrology / both Merc. - Uranus & Uranus - Merc. are listed for Astrology
* Benevolence / for Jupiter - Pluto...as Pluto is the Higher Octave of Mars & as Jupiter - Mars = Discord, this seems erroneous.
* Brethren / way too many listed with this title
* Captivity / three listed for this Part, Two are supposedly only used depending if birth is nocturnal or Diurnal
* Children / Both Asc + Jupiter - Saturn and Asc. + Saturn - Jupiter are given for this Part ...but I don't believe in either formula for a Part so named.
* Commerce / both Merc. - Sun and Mars - Sun are given for this but I am partial to Mars - Sun as according to Ursula Lewis
* Disappointment / two different formulae, Mars - Venus, & Mars - Neptune, As to the former it is also titled Fulfillment and I believe "Disappointment" is in error as Mars - Venus would have Venus...the Love principle and that of beauty, art, music etc. ... triggering Mars into action. I have said that it could be about obligations as Mars being obligatory in action to that triggering. Mars - Neptune could very well be a sort of disappointment as Venus - Neptune is about deceit, self deceit most likely, then Neptune could be seen as giving a false impression to Mars for which it goes into action and what will result is then "disappointment". 'Wrong Action from Self Deception' may be the most appropriate title I can presently think of.
* Divorce / There are two formulae given for divorce Asc. + Venus - Cusp 7th and Asc. + Cusp 7th - Saturn)
* Father / both Sun - Saturn and Saturn - Sun are given
* Impression / see "Time for Action" below
* Harmony / seems very debatable as it is the opp. formula for the Part of Love, Appreciation
* Imprisonment / 4 {or 5?} different formulae are given for this; Asc. + Sun - Neptune, [and] Asc. + Ruler Suns Sign - Sun [Day], [and] + Ruler Moons Sign - Moon [Night], [and] Asc.+ Lord House of Saturn - Saturn, [and, lastly] Asc. + Part of Fortune - Neptune, of which I have strong evidence to support: see my thread on Part of Imprisonment.
* Individuality, Intellectualality / I'm doubtful of either. As this formula is the opposite of the Part of Catastrophe I am of the opinion that it surely is about making certain one doesn't occur and hence why "Surety" has been added in red.
* Intercourse / both Venus - Sun and Mars - Moon given for this
* Love / both Venus - Sun and Jupiter - Venus given for this Part [trad, is Venus, I concur]
* Love and Marriage / both Venus - Jupiter and Jupiter - Venus given for this
* Mans Marriage / both Venus - Sun and Venus - Saturn given for this
* Occultism / both Uranus - Neptune & Neptune - Uranus are given for this
* Operations and Orders Medical Treatment / see Surgery, below.
* Organization / both Pluto - Sun & Pluto - Saturn are given this...for a few years, until very recently in 2013, I thought I it to be sure that it is a Part of Organization and that the Asc. + Pluto - Sun was the one of the two, without a doubt. Now presently {Nov. '13} I'm not sure of either. ...see my post on Hillary Clinton` as her Part of Org. is conj. her M.C. in the 5th degree of Virgo and transiting Saturn was conj the 5th deg. of Virgo three times between Oct. 6, 2007 and July 6th, 2008 and this was the period of time that many were saying Her campaign lost the lead and virtually died due to her campaign organization falling apart.
* Part of Hyleg / It recently was observed, and subsequently demonstrated, to propose there to be of a high percentage probability, that it is not only the New Moon or Full Moon prior to birth to be utilized but that of the post natal New Moon and the Full Moon that occurs post natally, as well. Whereas the prenatal New or Full Moon may quite well be the Astrological Part that is "the root" from which, as the name "Hyleg" does truly mean, gives life to all the other Parts in ones natal chart, as they can be perceived to be as like the "shoots" that spring from a root and as such need that root to sustain their existence. Yet the Pars Hyleg doesn't need the other Parts in order for it to exist., as the author, Robert Zoller stated in his book, "The Arabic Parts In Astrology". As astrologer, Dane Rudhyar, wrote an extensive piece on the New Moon cycle and how the Full Moon within it make the cycle a 'triad' of symbology within the entire transformational cycle of the 360 degrees of the Zodiac we are currently investigating the matter, as to how this might relate to the Part of Hyleg, and while the "traditional" definition of the Part of Hyleg may just turn out to be entirely, and exclusively, true. We are quite confident that the other two moons in the cycle produce very influential valid 'Parts', or at the least, 'Parts' that, while they are not the root, or a co-part of that root, they very much reveal precepts of influences that develop from the root, r.e. the Part of Hyleg.
* Parents / [traditional] both Saturn - Sun and Jupiter - Sun are given for this [I don't concur with either]
* Popularity / there are 3 ... Merc. - Pluto & Venus - Pluto & Mars - Neptune are all titled this
* Religion / both Sun - Moon and Mercury - Moon are given for this [I don't concur with either as Religion is a man-made concept and not a Divine Precept]
* Secret Enemies / Both Asc + Mars - Saturn and Asc + C12 - R12 are given for this and, according to Bonatti, both should be used
* Sons / both Jupiter - Moon and Moon - Jupiter are given for this, but what about Mars - Moon as it seems more in line with Venus - Moon as part of Daughters?
* Surgery / Asc + Jupiter - Sun is given for "Operations and Orders Medical Treatment" and I don't know if that contests with the Part of Surgery or is of a more general implication
* Sudden Advancement [one of the seven Hermetic Lots] aka Hermetic Part of Nemesis / ...this is controversial...At present we are of the opinion that what the Part represents is a very substantial task to be accomplished that by doing so will bestow upon the individual a great progress towards completing their life dharma. As to whether it is a a Part of Sudden Advancement or a Part of Nemesis can truly only be determined at the end of the individuals life. If the task was attempted and the individual succeeded it certainly was that which provided a "Sudden Advancement". If they attempted and failed (and possibly if they never even attempted it at all) then it can then be said it was that persons' "Nemesis".
* Time for Action / As to "Time for Action" and "Impression", I say, and with a high degree of confidence, assuredly not for natal use.
* Timidity / is given for Saturn - Neptune, Mercury - Moon and Mars - Moon given for "Timidity and Hiding" [I have given this a little study and if it is any of those I have to favor the Sat./Neptune formula.]
* Trickery and Deception of /... both Venus - Sun and Mars - Moon are given for this, there is evidence that the latter formula is about Trickery and Deception.
* Waste-Wastefulness / both Jupiter - Mars [Ursula Lewis] and Uranus - Venus are given for these two near identical titles{?}
* Wisdom / As for Jupiter - Sun, it seems unlikely as Asc + Mars - Merc. has overwhelmingly been regarded over time, and repeatedly proven, as indication of this principle although it may be questioned as to whether "Intelligence & Skill" [i.e. the skillful application of intelligence], means the same as "Wisdom" in regards. Although Mars - Mercury is also given the title of "Wisdom" by some sources.
* Woman's Marriage / both Mars - Moon and Saturn - Venus are given for this

That's all of them, presently. I am continuously adding any other Parts/Lots that I encounter that use something other than the Asc. as the "Personal point" or something other than a Planet or a Luminary as the "Significator" or "Trigger", which have also been recognized and been granted a 'title'.
If anyone knows of any alternative 'titles' to any of the Parts/Lots, listed above, that I haven't included...let me know and please cite whereupon it originated from.
Any submissions which are personal opinions, personally derived conclusions ...etc...please post within this thread and allow it to be given examination and critique by the forum members. Or you can post it outside this thread in the Astrological Parts sub-forum or in the Research and Development forum but please make some note of it available to me within this thread. Thanks.
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Thank your Dr. Farr. I'm hoping it becomes even more than a reference source for AW members but for all astrologers with access to the internet. The info on this subject is so sparse presently...both published and on the internet...as a team we may achieve something that will be long utilized and praised until a recognized definitive 'published' source that identifies all the same parts/lots as we are covering here finally comes along...and hopefully, afterwards, we will be fondly remembered.
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These are some of the titles that come with the Kepler Program for arabic parts/lots. I haven't messed with them much, but at least it starts filling in a few blanks.

Asc. + Merc - Jup: Hope, Association
Asc. + Merc - Sat: Danger, Violence, Debt

Asc. + Venus - Jup: Praise
Asc. + Venus - Uranus: Fascination
Asc. + Venus - Pluto: Popularity, Influence

Asc. + mars - venus: Fullfillment
Asc. + Mars - Jupiter: Debate, Daring Action
Asc. + Mars - Pluto: Preparation

Asc + Jup - Pluto: benevolence

Asc + Sat - Moon: Identity
Asc + Sat - Merc: Bretheren and Friends
Asc + Sat - Jup: Siblings and Family

Asc. + Uranus - Merc.: Messages and Astrology
Asc. + Uranus - Mars: Transformation
Asc. + Uranus - Jupiter: Happiness
Asc. + Uranus - Neptune: Termination and Occultism (It shows guidance for Neptune - Uranus)

Asc. + Neptune - Moon: Dublicity

Asc. + Pluto - Sun: Organization
Asc. + Pluto - Moon: Influence and Magnetism
Asc. + Pluto - Merc.: Location
Asc. + Pluto - Mars: Strategy
Asc. + Pluto - Jupiter: Positive and Helpful Changes
Asc. + Pluto - Neptune.: Subtle or Hidden Changes

Asc. + Sun - Merc.: Liberty
Asc. + Sun - Venus: Harmony
Asc. + Sun - Neptune: Imprisonment and Captivity
Asc. + Sun - Pluto: interaction

Asc. + Moon - Mars: Kings, Royalty
Asc. + Moon - Pluto: Galvinization

That basically fills in all the blanks with these particular titles, but I don't know what Kepler's source is for them. You mentioned before in passing about the opposite of the formula for wisdom (mars - merc) in relationship to the part of debate/innocence (merc - mars) which has made me want to compare other opposing formulas. I'm not sure the correlations mean anything necessarily, but I also wonder if the parts could be thought of as an axis, and the opposing degree symbol compared. It borders on a more meditative/oracular application I think, I'm not sure what real impact it could have on a person's chart or even necessarily an horary reading. But i'm curious to look at them.

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These are some of the titles that come with the Kepler Program for arabic parts/lots. I haven't messed with them much, but at least it starts filling in a few blanks.

Asc. + Merc - Jup: Hope, Association
Asc. + Merc - Sat: Danger, Violence, Debt

Asc. + Venus - Jup: Praise
Asc. + Venus - Uranus: Fascination
Asc. + Venus - Pluto: Popularity, Influence

Asc. + mars - venus: Fullfillment
Asc. + Mars - Jupiter: Debate, Daring Action
Asc. + Mars - Pluto: Preparation

Asc + Jup - Pluto: benevolence

Asc + Sat - Moon: Identity
Asc + Sat - Merc: Bretheren and Friends
Asc + Sat - Jup: Siblings and Family

Asc. + Uranus - Merc.: Messages and Astrology
Asc. + Uranus - Mars: Transformation
Asc. + Uranus - Jupiter: Happiness
Asc. + Uranus - Neptune: Termination and Occultism (It shows guidance for Neptune - Uranus)

Asc. + Neptune - Moon: Dublicity

Asc. + Pluto - Sun: Organization
Asc. + Pluto - Moon: Influence and Magnetism
Asc. + Pluto - Merc.: Location
Asc. + Pluto - Mars: Strategy
Asc. + Pluto - Jupiter: Positive and Helpful Changes
Asc. + Pluto - Neptune.: Subtle or Hidden Changes

Asc. + Sun - Merc.: Liberty
Asc. + Sun - Venus: Harmony
Asc. + Sun - Neptune: Imprisonment and Captivity
Asc. + Sun - Pluto: interaction

Asc. + Moon - Mars: Kings, Royalty
Asc. + Moon - Pluto: Galvinization

That basically fills in all the blanks with these particular titles, but I don't know what Kepler's source is for them. You mentioned before in passing about the opposite of the formula for wisdom (mars - merc) in relationship to the part of debate/innocence (merc - mars) which has made me want to compare other opposing formulas. I'm not sure the correlations mean anything necessarily, but I also wonder if the parts could be thought of as an axis, and the opposing degree symbol compared. It borders on a more meditative/oracular application I think, I'm not sure what real impact it could have on a person's chart or even necessarily an horary reading. But i'm curious to look at them.

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WOW...what a list!...and so many ...thanks for the contribution...I'll edit my list later this afternoon. Good work, Mahasvapna and thanks again!
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Well, thanks again Mahasvapna...I had mistakenly put Uranus - Venus as the part of Transformation...do you have a title for the Uranus - Venus formula?
Also, as you have listed some with title connected by the word 'and'...I must ask, is the Part published as one Part or are you listing two different titles for the same formula? A case in point would be Uranus - Neptune, as 'Termination' and 'Occultism' are two very different principles...it would be most helpful if you can elaborate on that one in particular.
...as to my comment about the Part of Organization what I wrote about Hillary Clinton and Her Part of Organization can be read here:
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I will post the image with my parts here, they are not in order though, but rather arranged by degrees. But, I have the Uranus - Venus part listed as the part of Wastefulness. The formula Uranus - Neptune I have published as "Termination & Occultism" (it's at 10 pisces 51 on the list). I don't know the history of the part, although it must be relatively 'recent' as it were. This list actually includes some parts related to other personal points as well, like the part of Redemption as Sun + Moon - Asc. There are a handful of others in there, as well.

As for the difference between occultism and termination - it's going kind of out on a limb, but to consider the nature of both: occultation is the covering up or eclipsing of one object by another, and carries a tone of hiding something ('terminating' it's view) whereas by the same token Termination in relationship to Occultism might be interpreted closer to termination of lower principles, of ignorance of the occult, etc. It's a tough one.

In considering the natures of Uranus and Neptune and their interactions, here in this case with Uranus as the significator and Neptune as the trigger, a sense of Awakening initiated by Dreams or Illusions. So Perhaps termination fits less than Occult; but on the other hand, To 'awaken from the dream' might be a form of death/termination as well. Bears some meditating on.

Here's the list I have access too.
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Oh, there's also a website I stumbled upon just recently, you may or may not have seen it already, but it has some other parts related to different personal points:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/d.../lotslist.html

Hypothetically, of course, you could use every house cusp, house ruler, individual planet, the mc/ic, dc/ac, almutens, etc., in any non-repeating combination of personal point +/- significator +/- trigger, to develop a staggering list of hypothetical points that might just color every degree of the wheel in a chart. Quite a monumental task, and I'm reminded suddenly and perhaps not in any intuitive fashion of the 240-something gates of the Kabbalah. Old stuff, I haven't looked at any literature on that system in years. Hm.

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I will post the image with my parts here, they are not in order though, but rather arranged by degrees. But, I have the Uranus - Venus part listed as the part of Wastefulness. The formula Uranus - Neptune I have published as "Termination & Occultism" (it's at 10 pisces 51 on the list). I don't know the history of the part, although it must be relatively 'recent' as it were. This list actually includes some parts related to other personal points as well, like the part of Redemption as Sun + Moon - Asc. There are a handful of others in there, as well.

As for the difference between occultism and termination - it's going kind of out on a limb, but to consider the nature of both: occultation is the covering up or eclipsing of one object by another, and carries a tone of hiding something ('terminating' it's view) whereas by the same token Termination in relationship to Occultism might be interpreted closer to termination of lower principles, of ignorance of the occult, etc. It's a tough one.

In considering the natures of Uranus and Neptune and their interactions, here in this case with Uranus as the significator and Neptune as the trigger, a sense of Awakening initiated by Dreams or Illusions. So Perhaps termination fits less than Occult; but on the other hand, To 'awaken from the dream' might be a form of death/termination as well. Bears some meditating on.

Here's the list I have access too.
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Oh, there's also a website I stumbled upon just recently, you may or may not have seen it already, but it has some other parts related to different personal points:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/d.../lotslist.html

Hypothetically, of course, you could use every house cusp, house ruler, individual planet, the mc/ic, dc/ac, almutens, etc., in any non-repeating combination of personal point +/- significator +/- trigger, to develop a staggering list of hypothetical points that might just color every degree of the wheel in a chart. Quite a monumental task, and I'm reminded suddenly and perhaps not in any intuitive fashion of the 240-something gates of the Kabbalah. Old stuff, I haven't looked at any literature on that system in years. Hm.

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Great work. I'll also mention the "Dreamhouse Attic" site, which has a very large collection of Parts. Literature-wise, "Late Classical Astrology" (Greenbaum) has pretty much the complete listing of formulae used in Greco/Roman times.

Philosophically, the most complete discussion of the dynamics involved with the Parts is Zoller's "Arabic Parts" book. I myself do not agree with all Zoller writes in this book, but I do agree with much of it-it is written from a hermetic perspective, and is the most complete philosophical discussion of the Parts (mostly taken from Guido Bonatti) I have seen (in English)
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Great work. I'll also mention the "Dreamhouse Attic" site, which has a very large collection of Parts. Literature-wise, "Late Classical Astrology" (Greenbaum) has pretty much the complete listing of formulae used in Greco/Roman times.

Philosophically, the most complete discussion of the dynamics involved with the Parts is Zoller's "Arabic Parts" book. I myself do not agree with all Zoller writes in this book, but I do agree with much of it-it is written from a hermetic perspective, and is the most complete philosophical discussion of the Parts (mostly taken from Guido Bonatti) I have seen (in English)
Thanks Dr. Farr, I've been utilizing the 'Dreamhouse' website and am still copying from it...I'm only up to the letter 'C' right now...also I have Zoeller's book...and like you, I don't agree with all of it, but have learned somethings from it...of particular interest was his discourse on the 'Esoteric School of Astrology's' theory about 'Involuntionary and Evolutionary' direction of the cycle of progression through the Zodiac it gave me the clue to what I've written about a possible rectification of a this practice of theirs...I mentioned it in a thread somewhere here in AW...but I did post a thread on it at the actastrology.com forum under the 'Esoteric Astrology' sub-forum.
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COOL...spread the word!...I really am hoping for widespread involvement in this...it is sorely needed!
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I have updated this thread to include and identify the seven Hermetic Lots.
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I'm trying to uncover mine predestined arabic parts prediction using the Asc. (Cancer) + The Sun in 26 degree Aquarius + the Moon 20 Aquarius should specify where I'm headed into in Life.

For the part of Marriage: I did some work from 17 Cancer 33" + 7th House (17 Capricorn 33) - Venus in 2 Aries 45" Aries, or the formula 03.17.33 + 09.17.33 - 00.02.45 = or should I perform a mathematical equation of 107 + 180 = 287 - 2 = 285. My estimated answer is 285 degrees or 15 Capricorn 12", thus in solar astrology the date can be January 4th/5th.

But, another calculation is 09.15 + 285.15 - 294.33 subtract 60 = 234.30 = 7th sign 24th degree = 24 Scorpio 30". The part of marriage actually falls on the solar astrological date of November 16th/17th.

The part of Fortune on my natal chart reads 11 Cancer 26 33...about six degrees above the ascendant sign/rising point.
My day birth time is 1421 PST (2:21PM). Asc 17 Cancer+20 Aquarius-26 Aquarius is another puzzle I'm going to solve.
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I'm trying to uncover mine predestined arabic parts prediction using the Asc. (Cancer) + The Sun in 26 degree Aquarius + the Moon 20 Aquarius should specify where I'm headed into in Life.

For the part of Marriage: I did some work from 17 Cancer 33" + 7th House (17 Capricorn 33) - Venus in 2 Aries 45" Aries, or the formula 03.17.33 + 09.17.33 - 00.02.45 = or should I perform a mathematical equation of 107 + 180 = 287 - 2 = 285. My estimated answer is 285 degrees or 15 Capricorn 12", thus in solar astrology the date can be January 4th/5th.

But, another calculation is 09.15 + 285.15 - 294.33 subtract 60 = 234.30 = 7th sign 24th degree = 24 Scorpio 30". The part of marriage actually falls on the solar astrological date of November 16th/17th.

The part of Fortune on my natal chart reads 11 Cancer 26 33...about six degrees above the ascendant sign/rising point.
My day birth time is 1421 PST (2:21PM). Asc 17 Cancer+20 Aquarius-26 Aquarius is another puzzle I'm going to solve.
I'm not following what you're trying to say here...are you trying to determine the Part of Destiny or the Part of Hyleg?
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Having given this some thought this eve as to the Asc. + Mars - Neptune forumla for a 'Lot/Part'. It's presently considered to be the 'Part of Disappointment' or the 'Part of Popularity' and the latter of which I have to state, 'I just don't see it'!.
If Asc. + Venus - Mars is 'Play' and by that I take it to mean 'Enjoyable Activities', 'Recreational Activities', 'Frolic' and the like [Amorous Activities ?], then surely the opposite formula, i.e. Asc. + Mars - Venus indicates a 'Lot/Part' of 'Drudgery', 'Disagreeable Obligations or Endeavors', 'Unappealing Chores, Errands or Duties".
If that be so this 'Lot' involving Neptune, the higher octave of Venus, in stead of Venus in the same basic formula, would indicate a sort of, a "Prepomenophobia"...which is a word I've more or less coined for a condition of being in fear of the future. But this would be probably more of an aversion or revulsion and only to but a portion of the future. A 'future' that is projected by the imaginative facilities of a person...most likely. [The manners, thoughts, attitudes or actions of a person that is 'Hyperpessimistic' would be an example of what I'm getting at here as to what the effect of the 'triggering' of the affect of this 'Part/Lot' would be comparable to.]
The 'tag', 'Diappointments' , almost works... If one were to refer to it as 'Imagined [anticipated, predicted, ] Disappointments'.
It's kind of, a 'Part of 'Your Worst Fears Come True'... I would describe it as.
Does anyone 'see it this way', or has anyone had any experiences with this particular 'Lot', and would like to share their observations and experiences? If so do you also have a 'Title' that would most succinctly identify this combination of a 'Lot' ,and this 'trait' I propose...or akin to the traits you perceive that you would like to suggest?
Does anyone feel that it doesn't need to be 'monkeyed with [Rectified] in any manner at all?
Does anyone conclude otherwise to any of this, or have any comments, suggestions, insights, opinions or observations to add?
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I wish to address the situation with the 'Title' of the 'Part of Transformation', Asc + Uranus - Mars ....

As, I've been thinking and writing about the outer three planets a lot this week
this 'Part' came to mind tonight.
This is how I see it...presently...I think it may be the best description I could possibly be able to come with [doesn't mean it is...]
It is something, somewhat 'Transformational'...at least for some people and esp. for those that are adherents of true spiritual paths. But, rather this is about intuitively becoming aware of a "Higher Self'...it could be called the "Part of Higher Self"...in fact, I think that that might be a good name for it.

I'm going to use the one I get for that chart I propose is that of Jesus/Yeshua for your discernment.
I get 19* Cancer 59'...and as to exactness of the location I use for birth data [stating 'Bethlehem, to the computer...but Bethlehem didn't really exist by that name for some centuries afterwards I'm told. The name of the birth location in those times was something other than that. It is known that it was very near Nazareth and the Long. and Lat. of present day Bethlehem is very close to Nazareth] and as to any adjustment in the time even of mere seconds will put this in the next degree thus I am rectifying this to the 21st degree of Cancer.

The Sabian Symbol for this degree and would represent the intuitive knowing about his self and how it appears in reflection...not in a 'Walter Mitty' sense, but rather how it should be honestly seen...sort of a "Mirror, mirror on the wall..." sort of thing.

{From Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandalla"}

" A FAMOUS SINGER IS PROVING HER VIRTUOSITY DURING AN OPERATIC PERFORMANCE.

KEYNOTE: The emotional reward accompanying cultural excellence.
... The operatic prima donna is not merely a lonely performer, like the piano virtuoso (Gemini 13); he or she is the star in a collective effort. The opera is not only music, but a story, a mythos, which embodies some of the most basic images and emotions characterizing the culture that gave it birth....[in this series of degree which are the]...cyclic phases we find the drive toward individualization by means of concrete forms of cultural activity glorified in social and financial success. In its deepest sense the symbol refers to THE PRICE OF SUCCESS — for the individual, as well for as the collectivity acclaiming him or her. What is success really worth? A question few people ask."

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...and my own Part of Transformation ...or Part of Intuitive Knowing Higher Self...or whatever it should be called ...Part of Mirror Mirror, possibly.

Mine is 28* Sag. 24' [Galactic Center...lucky me...]...and it was conj Pluto not too long ago and was an event well noticed and concluded as to Pluto definitely being of affect.
29th of Sag.
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"A FAT BOY MOWING THE LAWN OF HIS HOUSE ON AN ELEGANT SUBURBAN STREET.

KEYNOTE: The need to attend to everyday tasks which both ensure social worth or respectability, and benefit one's constitution.
...A well-attended front lawn is a symbol of the homeowner's concern for his social position, and of his desire to give beautiful form to the growth of natural forces, thus revealing his appreciation of order and esthetic values. ...suggests that constructive working habits are needed to compensate for amenities of social living... It reveals another phase in the cycle relationship between the individual and the community, and the need to maintain SOCIAL RESPECTABILITY."

...well, I am starting to put on a little weight, I was 32 in waist just a few years ago..up to a 34 right at the moment...Holidays, you know.

This is interesting as because ten twelve years ago when I was in a relationship with the woman I call Miss X in my book I did a composite chart and calc. the composite Parts. [A technique that works. it is a representation of who you and another entity become.] In a composite chart of a couple in an intimate relationship the ethereal substance of that composite entity that the two of you have become does get to be more and more of that which is affected by the stars. The Parts. I found were an excellent example of this. Some of you might attune to a particular planetary composite between you. For her and I it was Venus as our composite Venus was the 14* of Aries. This is the degree I get for Jesus/Yeshua's Part of Spirit...The same degree that of which I'm convinced that Mary's natal Lilith was conj.. Miss X's natal Lilith @ 24* Aquarius 03' is exactly...I mean EXACTLY conj. my Moon @ 24* Aquarius 03'. Do you see the 'Cosmic wiring that was done in these?

Miss X and I both have natal Mercury on the 28th degree of Aries. She and I have a composite M.C. of 08* Cancer 10'. It is just a bit advanced from the 8th degree of Cancer but of enough effect to the 8th degree, and possibly a bit more as to any rectification of time or location...possibly even an conjunction to that degree. The M.C. is the "HOW" of the chart axis in a spiritually oriented person, or composite persons's, chart.
The symbol there is according to Rudhyar: "KEYNOTE: The tendency in all forms of life to imitate higher forms as a stimulus to growth.
This rather strange symbol points to what is essential in all first attempts at developing consciousness and furthering and furthering one’s growth through association with those who have already reached a superior evolutionary or mental level. Every seeker looks for an 'Exemplar.' The religious mystic speaks of 'the Imitation of Christ.' "

Our composite I.C. [The "WHY" of our composite chart] is the 9th of Capricorn:
[ibid.] AN ANGEL CARRYING A HARP.
KEYNOTE: The revelation of the spiritual meaning and purpose at the core of any life situation.


.... 'heaven is within us.' All we have to do is to be open and listen to the total harmony of life, a harmony in which we play a part that is necessary to the completeness and meaning of the whole. ...surrender[ing] to the will of God.
... The technique [that is implied] is that of ATTUNEMENT."

The composite Part of Sudden Advancement [which I get a 'hoot' out of as it was during this time that i became acutely aware of the Sabians and the rest of Astrology too for that matter...I'd say my understanding and knowledge started to grow exponentially from that time forward and she had the first home pc astrology program that I ever got to fool around with, in 1999.
the 7th of Leo: [ibid.] THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS SHINE BRILLIANTLY IN THE NIGHT SKY.
KEYNOTE: The power of basic spiritual values which refer to man's common humanity and to all enduring archetypes.


I tell you this as to emphasize that I did conceive of the two of us becoming a permanent item. She and I could have been an exemplary couple for the ties... had we had more time and a much more conducive environment that would have allowed that to happen...it almost did. [my clairvoyant was a bit taken aback that it didn't, matter of fact.]
...I could go on with a number more of similar tenor symbols she and I shared in the composite. I do want to get back to the ref. as to my own Part of Intuitive Mirroring [or whatever we end up calling it] She and I have a composite Part of Nobility & Honor of 26* Virgo 49" and that symbol is [ibid.]
"A GROUP OF ARISTOCRATIC LADIES MEET CEREMONIALLY AT A COURT'S FUNCTION.KEYNOTE: The ability to carry on a revered tradition in order to perpetuate cultural standards of excellence."

The point being that all the symbols I'm emphasizing are about imitating and or emulating, affecting and or projecting certain veneers, exemplar like, of cultural excellence, of spiritual values and of an advanced civil and cultural attinment... very British in a way, I've often thought [...Keeping up appearances, as those of us of English blood/ancestry know quite well...as she and I share only English in common as to our racial backgrounds other than Native American, She is part Cherokee and I Powhaton.]
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I'm not following what you're trying to say here...are you trying to determine the Part of Destiny or the Part of Hyleg?
The parts representing my parts of destiny in marriage or fortune, unless I'm doing it wrong. (ugh...I want to find out). Will someone else redo it and come up with my astrological data to find the correct answer? I'm not a math expert, since I'm more into sciences and the paranormal.
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The parts representing my parts of destiny in marriage or fortune, unless I'm doing it wrong. (ugh...I want to find out). Will someone else redo it and come up with my astrological data to find the correct answer? I'm not a math expert, since I'm more into sciences and the paranormal.
In the first post above, do you see the 'Part' listed that you are trying to ascertain?
I have a thread somewhere on the Part of Hyleg. It shows symbolically what the root symbolism is for your self...most especially as to all the other parts as they call it that which can exist apart from the others but from which all other parts derive. It is Asc. + Natal Moon - Last New or Full Moon Prior to Birth.
The Part of Destiny is that destiny that you will come to realize [hopefully, realize] that is the 'essential you' , of what you mean to the world...what your 'worth' to the world was at the finish of your life...in all estimation...that is if you follow the true path of your being.
That is derived from the M.C. as the personal point and it is M.C. + Sun - Moon



ps. [the next day] As I see you avow sidereal belief, I don't know why you would be stirring about in this sub-forum. As you don't reply to my requests for clarification, I'm going to assume that this is some joke to you and inform you that I won't acknowledge any more posts by you.
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The part of destiny is on 15 Capricorn 12" and In sabian symbols:
15 Capricorn (285): IN A HOSPITAL, THE CHILDREN'S WARD IS FILLED WITH TOYS. or 16 Capricorn - SCHOOL GROUNDS FILLED WITH BOYS AND GIRLS IN GYMNASIUM SUITS.
The day when I was diagnosed with Autism was on January 4/5, 1984 and my parents divorced on the very day 3 years later: about 25 years ago.
I spent a lenghty period of time in the Diagnostic School in the Cal. state university campus L.A. (now closed) so I sense it gave an accurate description of a place where it used to be a state hospital for children and adults alike with autism, except I was never made to be institutionalized due to my parents' refusal and took me home 120 miles away in Indio Cal.
The part of I believe is 24 Scorpio 30" interpreted in a sabian way:
24 Scorpio (234): CROWDS COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN TO LISTEN TO ONE INSPIRED (wo)MAN. or 25 scorpio - A X-RAY PHOTOGRAPH.
Again, the relation with the moment I was diagnosed with autism, about return visits until I was age 10 when doctors interviewed me communicate effectively and a neurological x-ray to find nothing was seriously wrong.
But I'm sure this was related to my family friend's birth of her 3rd and last girl, our closest non-relatives we considered friends (on Nov. 16, 2000 with leap year day or it would be the 15th). All those family and friends, and we got to see her ultrasound pics taken before she was born.
I was carefully reading instructions on calculating the dates based on Ascendant plus the Sun and then minus the Sun, and the Moon will have close similar dates. Based on Lunar aspects, no Solar aspects this time around (hope they are correct):
17 Cancer + 20 Aquarius - 5 Aquarius (note the full moon was February 2nd, 1980) = 13 - 313 = 300 in between 12/13 Aquarius. PEOPLE ON A VAST STAIRCASE, GRADUATED UPWARDS. or 13 Aquarius (313): A BAROMETER/CLOCK.
In relation to a fascination with population statistics or social concerns, and with weather data or scientific information.
To try agian for the last time: 17 Cancer minus 20 Aquarius= or 107 - 107 = 0 -30 + 10 = 40 = 147 = 25/26 Leo (?) close to my natal True Node at 29 degrees Leo. A LARGE CAMEL CROSSING A VAST AND FORBIDDING DESERT. 26 Leo (146): AFTER A HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW. The image of myself growing up in the Desert and still trying to move out of this area out of a stormy Life, but I expect greener grasses and a brighter future, like the Rainbow appearing out of a cloud of grey gloom.
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The part of destiny is on 15 Capricorn 12" and In sabian symbols:
15 Capricorn (285): IN A HOSPITAL, THE CHILDREN'S WARD IS FILLED WITH TOYS. or 16 Capricorn - SCHOOL GROUNDS FILLED WITH BOYS AND GIRLS IN GYMNASIUM SUITS.
Okay, I get that part of your post. You've calculated your 'Part of Destiny'...Am I correct as to that? If so, I assume you used M.C. + Sun - Moon, for the 'formula'? [I hope you did...anyways.]

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The day when I was diagnosed with Autism was on January 4/5, 1984 and my parents divorced on the very day 3 years later: about 25 years ago.
I spent a lenghty period of time in the Diagnostic School in the Cal. state university campus L.A. (now closed) so I sense it gave an accurate description of a place where it used to be a state hospital for children and adults alike with autism, except I was never made to be institutionalized due to my parents' refusal and took me home 120 miles away in Indio Cal.
...Okay, I have no trouble comprehending that either.

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The part of I believe is 24 Scorpio 30" interpreted in a sabian way:
24 Scorpio (234): CROWDS COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN TO LISTEN TO ONE INSPIRED (wo)MAN. or 25 scorpio - A X-RAY PHOTOGRAPH.
Again, the relation with the moment I was diagnosed with autism, about return visits until I was age 10 when doctors interviewed me communicate effectively and a neurological x-ray to find nothing was seriously wrong.
...Okay, so you were asking if you had calculated the Part [of Marriage?] correctly...[your use of the word 'Destiny' threw me off, as I wasn't sure exactly which 'Part' you were asking about...mainly....and partially because, also quite 'frankly', your math is terrible.

[Of course this isn't really, a 'Math Equation', that is to say, that is like anything most people are taught in schools,..and I don't understand if you are saying that "you, ARE autistic", or are saying that, "you were tested for it as a child, but proved to be otherwise"?. Well, regardless of which you intended to say; I can sympathize, as one of my relatives has a 'slight touch' of that...and which seems to be on a steady increase too, unfortunately. Autism in the U.S has increased*. If so, I apologize for being a bit 'brusque'. I've dealt with my share {and way more...} of 'trolls', 'naysayers' and agitated, irate Christians, Scientists and 'Trad.' Astrologers , these past, 3 1/2, years of near daily writing in [on?] astrological forums such as this one, and wondered if you weren't only trying to be bothersome ...*{I believe I heard something between 500 and 1000% in the last generation, just the other day...I shudder to think what the future may hold what with corporations like Monsanto running around insisting that everyone eat their genetically modified produce...'Frankenfood' as it's being called by some wonderful dissenters.}]



Here's a simplification. Number the signs 1 through 12. Taurus is # 1, Gemini is # 2, Cancer is # 3, Leo is # 4, and so on through the Zodiac to Aries which is given the # 12, or it can also be given the # 0.
[ I will use what data you've supplied for this demonstration as {I believe} it is the 'Part of Marriage' that you've requested help in obtaining].
When you add the first two components of the formula, 17* Cancer 33' + 17* Capricorn 33' ,[Cancer is # 3 and Capricorn # 9, are you following thus far?] write it as thus, right below.

'3' ~ 17* ~ 33'
+
'9' ~ 17* ~ 33'
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...which will give you this as a result:

'12' ~ 34* ~ 66'

[now, you'll want to leave it
in that form, until you're through
with the entire calculation...
don' got go changing
- [minus]
66' minutes of a degree into
01* 06', for example, or 34* degrees into 04* degrees
and adding '1' to the 'signs column, making that a '13',
Taking '12' ~ '34'* ~ '66''
converting it to
'12' ~ '35'* ~ '06' and then converting that
to '13' ~ '04* ~ '06''
...which I'm using for example, as I've taken from what
your own formula here has produced thus far.
It can wait till the 'subtraction' part of the formula.
After everything is done you convert
anything 'over', to proper form.]
...and you then subtract your natal Venus.

'12' ~ '02'* ~ '45''
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...and as a result, we get,

'0' ~ '32'* ~ '21''

Which must be converted to '02'* 22' and the '0' we got for the 'Sign', has to have a '1' added to it [...'12' or '0' is Aries and when we add '1' + '0', we get '1', and thus it is the sign of Taurus and for your 'Part of Marriage, we have come up with,
02* Taurus 21',
which is the 3rd degree of Taurus.
[Did you read the 'Sticky' on understanding the enumeration of the degrees of the Zodiac, in this 'Degree Symbols' sub-forum?
02* 21' is the 3rd degree. {everything from 02* 00' 01' to 03* 00' 00" is the 3rd degree}]

Now as far as what astro-body or influence 'activates' this 'Part of Marriage', [and any 'Part' for that matter, as well.]Some believe that only those that make up the original formula. Some say those and or Sun and the Moon. I say it both of those and the 'Higher Octave' Planet whenever Mercury, Venus or Mars is in the equation. I know this because of what affect Pluto had on two of my 'Parts' these past 7 years or so. Those 'Parts' of "Intelligence or Skill", 'Transformation", [which I just wrote about a couple of posts back...]

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But I'm sure this was related to my family friend's birth of her 3rd and last girl, our closest non-relatives we considered friends (on Nov. 16, 2000 with leap year day or it would be the 15th). All those family and friends, and we got to see her ultrasound pics taken before she was born.
I was carefully reading instructions on calculating the dates based on Ascendant plus the Sun and then minus the Sun, and the Moon will have close similar dates. Based on Lunar aspects, no Solar aspects this time around (hope they are correct):17 Cancer + 20 Aquarius - 5 Aquarius (note the full moon was February 2nd, 1980) = 13 - 313 = 300 in between 12/13 Aquarius. PEOPLE ON A VAST STAIRCASE, GRADUATED UPWARDS. or 13 Aquarius (313): A BAROMETER/CLOCK.
In relation to a fascination with population statistics or social concerns, and with weather data or scientific information.
To try agian for the last time: 17 Cancer minus 20 Aquarius= or 107 - 107 = 0 -30 + 10 = 40 = 147 = 25/26 Leo (?) close to my natal True Node at 29 degrees Leo. A LARGE CAMEL CROSSING A VAST AND FORBIDDING DESERT. 26 Leo (146): AFTER A HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW. The image of myself growing up in the Desert and still trying to move out of this area out of a stormy Life, but I expect greener grasses and a brighter future, like the Rainbow appearing out of a cloud of grey gloom.
Now, there's were you lost me this time...I'm unable to comprehend that...?
...I'm going to take a guess and say you are trying to get the 'Part of Destiny'.
I asked about the 'Part' only because you kept using the word 'Destiny'... It wasn't that I asked you to, 'please, do so, calculate the 'Part', '...But rather, I was asking, 'If that it was the "Part of Destiny" which you were attempting to ascertain

But, if that is what you are referring to here ... the Part of Destiny is: M.C. + Sun - Moon. I don't use 'Nocturnal' formulas for any Part/Lot...not yet anyhow, as I've yet to find any 'Part/Lot' that does so need to be changed, depending on the time of day. [..and my 'Most Excellent', spiritual confidante and clairvoyant, friend, Clarisse Conner, stated in a 'reading' for me that , she saw, "...only the 'Day Formula' for the Part of Fortune, regardless of time of day". ...and because I figure if the part of Fortune doesn't alter, then why would any of the others ? And, as I do use the Sabian Symbols as a tool of rectification [they are 'TOPS" for that... NONPAREIL...!!! I am able to determine from the difference of the two symbols, that the two different formula give, as the degrees of the Zodiac and their attendant Sabians, and have yet to see any, that I've checked in this manner, give a symbol from the 'nocturnal formula' that made any sense as, to that Person them self or, to the rest of that persons', overall, 'natal chart tenor' [or 'gestalt' of the chart] oh, btw, I myself, I only use 'Placidus' for House System. ...and have yet to see that fail me either. That is because I also employ Sabian rectification as an aide to adjust House Cusps ...as you might have read my mention of it in post # above. and have yet to be disappointed in the results I get for the Succedent and Cadent houses. I strongly advise to stay away from 'Whole' and 'Equal' House systems..and I've not had the time to experiment too much with 'Campanus' [although I do need to study it more...as my fav. Astrologer, Dane Rudhyar, apparently favored it, for some reason or perhaps only for some certain methods of technique or analysis anyways.] I haven't ruled out Koch, and have yet to give any study or thought at all on "Krusinski" or "Amphora" as it is know in the Czech Republic but it does sound very interesting and reasonable enough to give it my attention. But as for the M.C. that is the same in any system, [as far as I know] as long as a formula doesn't say rather Cusp of 10th house than, Mid Haven [M.C.].

Also...as to numbering the Signs one through twelve for the purpose of using in the calculations of the formula for a Lot/Part.
The reason Aries is assigned a '0' or a '12' is this...and, for me it would be easier to give an example than try to explain it.

Say you have an Asc in Taurus and a Sun in Cancer and you need to subtract the Moon which is in Pisces. Well, that's a '1' for the Taurus Asc., a '3' for the Cancer Sun which added together give you a '4'. So how do you subtract '11' for the Pisces Moon from '4'?
You count past those Signs one full spin around the Zodiac and thus Taurus is now '13', Cancer is now '15' and Pisces is '23'. As '13' + '15' = '28' ...'23' has no problem from being subtracted from that..and the result will be '5', which is Virgo. [or you could leave Pisces at '11' and subtract that from '28' and you get '17' and if you count that out you'll see that it still is Virgo.

Once in a great while you may not of, 'set up the calculation for the formula' just right...and by that I mean, you can see that you assigned all the proper numbers to the signs but ended up with a 'negative integer'...say for example, a negative '3' [- '3']. Just remember that '0' is Aries then negative '1' [-1] is Pisces, negative '2' [-2] is Aquarius, and thus, negative '3' [-3] is Capricorn...and so on..

I hope this has answered your question and been of help to you.

...btw...I urge all to read the Sabian Symbol for any 'Astrological Part/Lot that you may have. If you have read my threads on the 'Parts/Lots here in the degree forum [or in that book I wrote.] then you already know that the 'Parts/Lots do take on the meaning of the symbol for that degree in a way that is pertinent to the 'abstract quality' of the nature of the 'Part/Lot' itself.

As CapAquaPis has already mentioned the 25th degree of Leo which happens to be my 'Part of Fortune' [and my M.C.] I have to understand it as saying that I will be at my most 'Fortunate' [Fortune] advantage as to succeeding my lifes 'Dharma' by 'going it alone', so to speak...as that has proven true in most of the endeavors I been challenged with in my life... particularly that, of learning Astrology. If you've read any of my accounts of how I learned you already know that I got a 'Big Leg' up the ladder from having had my brother hand me what knowledge He felt was 'True Knowledge' that he had just spent a couple of intensive years of study and testing, for himself to obtain, for my own beginning..but from then on...I somehow managed not to be exposed to anyone else that was an Astrologer or any other source of distraction that may have influenced my opinions or evaluations...or that may have 'steered me from' any book, or other source of help that was essential to where I presently am in terms of level of knowledge and understanding.

...what I'm gettin at here is that, 'I don't quite know, 'WHAT' exactly the Sabian Symbol found for ones' Part of Marriage' might indicate.
As I've never been married [see, that's also a 'solo' thing, a 'Camel Crossing The Desert' thing...as I sure have come to see it as such] I can't use my own as towards this understanding.
My parents would've been a perfect study if only they had known their birth times [for calculating 'Parts/Lots', as most all that I know of use the Asc. or some Cusp for the 'Personal Point'... and they change a full degree every four minutes .] Might I suggest figuring out the Part of Marriage for a chart of someone you know, or knew, somewhat intimately and see how the symbolism for their Part of Marriage reflects that persons own marriage...as to...how that person makes the marriage work/succeed, or as to 'how that person met the one they married, or how that person, 'wooed' the other...it might be any of that.
To be honest...I knew a number of years ago that I would always be single and it didn't concern me at all after that [and not much prior, either. I'm just not the 'Marrying Kind'...and there are so many 'Parts', that I had to prioritize...I'll be lucky to cover anything over 50% in the amount of time I might have left to live...time will tell...[and she usually waits till the last minute...in fact I believe that, for most people, she waits until after the last minute...]

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As to the 'Part of Marriage' and trying to understand how the Sabian Symbol-ism affects the 'Part' ...and by that, I mean, as an action or attitude one would be in need of employing in action or ,instead is it to be, by integrating into their personality or as part of their psyche, of the person whose chart you are reading. Or ,what could it mean, that being married symbolizes to you [once you've become married and realize upon reflection some time afterwards, that is, if you are not already so 'enlightened....and by that I don't mean I am...LOL].
What one finds for a Sabian Symbol on their Part of Fortune, Part of Sudden Advancement, Part of Benefits & Increase [$], I have found to be, without exception, the symbolism is that of what one must do, or have cognitive understanding of, in order to 'reap' the harvest, or 'claim the reward' so to speak.

I will give an example here [and, it's the best I know of, too...I'm not just trying to promote a book...or anything, other than 'correct understanding and technique', here in, using the Sabian Symbols in collaboration with the Astrological Parts/Lots....thank you, ptv]


Read what I obtained from the chart I propose to be, the birth chart, that of Yeshua/Jesus.
The Part of Fortune is the 19th degree of Pisces:

"A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE[S]"

One shouldn't have very much difficulty understanding that as to, how the 'Sabian Symbolism' is to be taken, regarding Yeshua/Jesus' life and His 'Dharma'...or if you prefer, 'the destiny that He came to fulfill', as He had to actively employ that very thing.

By the same aforementioned chart the 'Part of Benefits and Increase'[$] calculates to the 3rd degree of Gemini:

[from Dane Rudhyar's, "An Astrological Mandala"]

"SANTA CLAUS FURTIVELY FILLING STOCKINGS HANGING IN FRONT OF THE FIREPLACE.

KEYNOTE: A rewarded faith in spiritual blessings.

The popular allegory refers to the spiritual blessings which come to the "pure in heart," whose consciousness is likened to that of a little child..."


...now, that shouldn't be hard at all for nearly most everyone to understand. Especially when one reminds oneself of the anecdote of how He managed to pay for the 'ferry across the river' [I believe it was...] and when asked by a disciple how they were going to pay for the fares, Yeshua is alleged to have said to his disciple to, 'look under that rock", and there was coin enough to pay for the fares.

So, the Part of Benefits and Increase, then requires one to have a certain belief, attitude, outlook or understanding...and as I explained above, that the 'Part of Fortune', for Him, clearly represented an 'action' that He had to take and keep applying for His lifetime, as to continuously keep the flow of 'Fortunate Circumstance' going for His best means as to accomplishing his 'life task' [the 'Spiritual Blueprint', I sometimes call it], his 'Dharma' if you prefer, to meet the requirements of the four chart axis points that say, "WHO", "WHERE-TO", "HOW" & "WHY", and those Astrological Parts [but not limited only to] of "Destiny", "Hyleg" and "Inheritance & Legacy" [ which is what you 'Inherited' from the past and are asked to leave of your 'Good Works', as a 'Legacy' to the next generation to continue on.] to however you interpret that anecdote, I just gave, to have meant to Yeshua/Jesus about 'increasing money available for his need and use.... Or in other words, that is to say: You decide how the Sabian Symbolism which is defined by Rudhyar as, "...spiritual blessings which come to the 'pure in heart', whose consciousness is likened to that of a little child...", should be applied to specifically the 'Part of Benefits, and what it represents, in relationship to it to be what He needed to do to 'activate it', then do so in a similar manner as to a 'Part of Marriage'....BUT...!!! >>>

>>> As to the Part of Marriage!
Presently, to date, I never inquired of the 'Part/Lot' for any reason [although I did ascertain the position many years ago, and looked up the Sabian Symbol and briefly gave the matter some thought, a quick study, to see if I might notice anything right from the 'get-go' ...as I did with a great many number of Astrological Parts/Lots.] ...and I only, just more, recently derived the 'Sabian Symbol' for the aforementioned chart, I propose is that, of the 'Man from Nazareth'. I looked at mine years ago and to be honest...I still haven't a clue as to what the symbolism of mine, or that 'Part' which I believe to be His, has to do with marriage in regards to myself or anything I've ever heard about Yeshua and anything he he had to do with, or the topic of, marriage.
I must state that, [for the present, anyways...] I'm not altogether convinced that the formula is that of the 'Part of Marriage'...or if such a 'Part' does in fact exist at all...but, I would certainly bet, and a lot, that there is one. I seem to recall seeing another formula for it years ago...possibly twice...that was intriguing. I've been trying to remember where in that I did.

[BTW...I got the 25th degree of Libra for the 'Part of Marriage' for the 'Man from Naz.', which just so happens to be my 12th House Cusp, {Placidus} The 12th House Cusp symbolically represents your own answer to the problem{s} of the 'World' ...as you 'hear' or 'see' it asking you.]

ps...OH! BTW... the 3rd degree of Taurus also happens to be the 'Part of Faith', [Asc. + Merc. - Moon] for Yeshua/Jesus ..from that chart of mine...As that Symbol has to do with the 'Trinity' as it regarded His 'Faith'...try to see if the Sabian Symbolism gives you association to to any of those 'manners' of qualities/actions/attitudes/technique, etc. of which I said to apply to 'Parts', as I just demonstrated, gave explanation of and as an example, for so being as to His 'Part of Fortune', as an 'Action', as to what you determine [which, personally, I determine and ascribe 'attitude/consciousness' to be as...] the 'manner' it is and how it is to be as applied as such, as to His 'Part of Increase & Benefits', to that what you've determined in what manner that symbolism [you believe] should be applied the to a 'Part of Marriage', in respect as to just what such a 'Part' might mean as a 'Part' of marriage to yourself.
But, like I said, with no example to base anything on I would advise spending some time figuring it out for people of well known public life and noting what the Symbolism is and how it might relate to what is known of that persons 'marriage, or marriages...etc. and be convinced that it is the correct formula [or reasonably assured] and the manner of application of interpreting it through the symbol if you're going to take my advice and do use Sabians in conjunction with Astrological Parts/Lots interpretation.

If anybody does pursue ..or has already done some research into this...or knows of an author or 'author-ity' and or a book on the matter...please share!

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Pierce, I'm a month late, but I want to apologize as much I can for the post I wrote you believe or assumed was a joke. You see, I'm still studying astrology by self-research on a wide variety of topics in the process of further understanding a complex subject science I been interested in for a long time. The sabian symbol-degrees seem to confused me big time when the equation estimates involve lots of in-depth mathematics to find the "parts" to determine & interact as clues to, future life events.

I feel the incident on leap year day was part of my autism: a neurological-behavioral disorder does impairs social skills & some of my posts exhibited a few traits of autism (as displayed).You found 3 Taurus to be my part of marriage (thanks Pierce) and the 3rd day of Taurus: April 23rd (why...it's my brother's birthday!) and the 66 degrees=6 Gemini=May 28th (his ex-GF's B-day). I'm coming up with the reminder of my presence when they lived together to had a son/my nephew over a decade ago in my Mom's house, but that's a random theory of mine.

The correct answer you gave me of part of marriage: 25 Libra (or October 18/19th) is another one of our family friend's (middle) daughter's birthdate, again only a coincidence. and your calculated part of fortune on 19 Pisces or read "8/9 March" is the family friend's b-day who was also my special ed. teacher when I was younger, so for her and Mom to be good friends has been highly benefical in the development of childhood and life. I appreciate your assistance, pierce and I wish you a good day/ night/ weekend.
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Ok Thanks, pierce! I wanted to PM the apology and thanks: it have to be posted publically, because your PM box said "full to the maximum limit" of messages. I never knew (but realized how lengthy equations can be anyway) the math is complicated to find astrological parts.

02* Taurus 21',
which is the 3rd degree of Taurus.

2 Taurus (32): AN ELECTRICAL STORM. (More Lightning not rain?)
3 Taurus (33): STEPS UP TO A LAWN BLOOMING WITH CLOVER.

Something related to me being in the wrong place and wrong time: whoever wants to be out in high risk of lightning strike?
The metaphor of lost innocence, while savoring the beauty & sweetness of Life, and Clover-Leafs (in 4s) represent good Luck.
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