People can't help their spiritual evolution

Bradders

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There can be/was a time I used to be angry with the world and how people treat one another, I tried helping a older brother in his social relationships where he seems to mix with people who're no good for him, spends all his money. Whilst a friendly nice guy, I could perhaps selfishly but genuinely say until many other lifetimes he'd struggle to find balance.

My opinion is that of a child lacking experience. When you're young you give in more frivolously to your hearts desires, you believe more, you have so much faith in yourself.

Let's say before that, before that spiritual level, there are people who're ID ridden to hell. Completely unable to look beyond their viewpoints, their emotions, choices. They're the spiritual zealists who want you to be bread and butter to the way they see the world, they're the deadset conformists, who have a problem with you, then theres people who love money and ambition and see nothing past their egocentrism. before that, are psychopaths, sociopaths who can't see anything beyond their crimes: They see, they want, they get anyway they can and want.

I had a mother who was totally unable to see that her family was something to be happy with during the many years she's spouted about her 'Freedom' now she is older. She had many relationships with many men whilst being in love with other men. She gives no sympathy for anyone, feels like a victim herself, goes on holidays every year and it seems like she lacks any interest familiarly in her family, distrusts/dislikes people outside the family. A guy could give her the world and she wouldn't care: It's her freedom, her viewpoints, her view of the world. She is unwilling to let in others. Not quite self infatuated, but very set in her ways.

Below that, a lower spiritual level, I could see someone like this other elderly man who wanted nothing more than his children to be 'great', discards complete sympathy for the sick and needy, loves money, prestige, status, fame.

I'm just trying to compile there is a example where these people are not going to alter because it's like they're unable to see anything beyond their points of view, before that, themselves and then their ID.

I could say very much I am a old soul, there is not much worth seeking in the fabric of this reality other than meditation, introspection, being on my own and treating my loved ones out when I can and keeping my hands to myself: It is hard for me myself to be ambitious, whilst the thought did delight me once.

So I could say there is a spectrum: The very lowest people being closer to predatory animals, like wolves: They see nothing beyond their crimes, have no morality, have done some of the most wretched disgusting acts in history, there are people who're more like the toddler, less like the infant who seems likely to lash out and scream if they aren't cared for or have their way. There are then people beyond that who want the world to be the way they want it to be, not in order, there are people who're ambitious, love money, somehow the self becomes more about the other, but it wouldn't occur for dozens and dozens of lifetimes.

There was a video on youtube touching this, he was of austrailian descent but I can't see to remember what it was called. It's just seems we literally mature from what we'd like to do, to what we want people to be like and the world, to wanting the world to change to become more about other, so on and on.

I have come to this thought tonight becomes I could say I've become frequently cynical and coming to a relevation that this is a less negative discordant way of looking at things. Whatever it is, whatever will happen, I fail to see how it would change.

Spiritual growth seems inevitable but very slow. If you've been cynical like me, I hope this more impersonal way of looking at things, perhaps assists you.
 

Bradders

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I am a 'Progressed' Aquarius bro. Not sure if same thing but I know your life changes or something to reflect the lesson or experiences of Aquarius, I know you start doing stuff more typical of that sign, like I read up a Pisces becomes progressed and suddenly wants to get more fit and healthy andworks out or something.
 

JUPITERASC

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I am a 'Progressed' Aquarius bro.
Not sure if same thing
It's different - as BobZemco explains :smile:


When I was 28, natal Sun changed Signs and entered Cancer.

Did I become a Cancer
?
No, but I did take on some of the traits of Cancer.

I became more sensitive, very emotional and extremely traditional, plus
I took on a few of the negative characteristics, like brooding
and being way too cautious, but then I was suffering from PTSD
and the effects were starting to manifest themselves in a serious way.
So it's not the same, as BobZemco just explained


but I know your life changes or something
to reflect the lesson or experiences of Aquarius,
I know you start doing stuff more typical of that sign,
like I read up a Pisces becomes progressed
and suddenly wants to get more fit and healthy andworks out or something.
not exactly - BobZemco provides another example
this time when progressed Ascendant changed signs

When my Ascendant progressed into Sagittarius,
I did not become a Sagittarius,
but I did take on a few traits,
like being really straightforward, to the point of being very blunt,
and also broadminded and quite the procrastinator.

A lot of people seem to have problems understanding progressions. The progressed Planets are nothing more than very very slow moving transits. Progressions are very internal in nature, meaning they're more likely to affect you mentally than physically. That doesn't mean progressions don't affect you physically, they can, for example a Planet progressing into the 6th House or the 6th House Ruler progressing into the 8th or 12th House or into certain aspects with the rulers of the 6th, 8th or 12th Houses can signify an illness.

Progressions are something you do maybe once in your life, and one of the best ways to do that is to write them down.
All you need is a list of your Planets and the Ascendant and MC, and an ephemeris, which you should buy, but you can also find them online.
FREE 9000 YEAR EPHEMERIS ONLINE at http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

An ephemeris will look something like this:

Date............Sun....... Moon..... Mercury...Venus
May 26 1962 04°Ge28' 26°Aq47' 20°Ge23' 03°Cn43'
May 27 1962 05°Ge25' 10°Pi51' 20°Ge22' R 04°Cn55'
May 28 1962 06°Ge23' 25°Pi05' 20°Ge16' 06°Cn07'
May 29 1962 07°Ge21' 09°Ar25' 20°Ge05' 07°Cn19'

The symbolism is "day-for-a-year" so each day after your birthday is one year of your life.

Generally, you want to look at 120 days, which is 120 years of your life. Yes, I know you're not going to live 120 years, but none of you are special. When you die, the Solar System does not grind to a halt; it continues moving. Your chart lives on, even after you die.

There are somethings you might want to know about. Is your Will contested? Does your Estate end up in Probate Court? Does the government seize your Estate? Do your children fight over it? Does your spouse remarry? Maybe you want to comeback and haunt your spouse (or protect your spouse). Do your children marry, divorce, have more children, do your grandchildren marry etc.


Will you receive any awards or accolades, or publish a book? No kidding, a guy in Australia found his grandfather's diary of life in the trenches during World War I. He published it. Guess what? It showed up in the progressions of the grandfather's natal chart.

Here's a snippet from my progressions (sorry the formatting is less than desirable):

Natal .. Position.. Action.. Age.. Date .. ..........Location .. Contact
Venus.. 04°Cn39' Sign .....19 ....Jun 13 1962... 25°Cn14'.. 9th House
Saturn .11°Aq22' Square ..19 ... Jun 13 1962 ...11°Ta17'.. Mars
Neptune 11°Sc29' Opp .....19.... Jun 13 1962 ... 11°Ta17' Mars
Mars 28°Ar29' ...Square ...22 ....Jun 16 1962 .... 28°Cn47' Venus
Uranus 28°Le37' Qu .........22 ....Jun 16 1962..... 28°Cn47' Venus
Venus 04°Cn39' Sign .......23 .....Jun 17 1962..... 29°Cn58' Leo
Mercury 20°Ge22' D ........26...... Jun 20 1962 .....11°Ge52' D Mercury
Mars 28°Ar29' Sextile ......26 ......Jun 20 1962 .....28°Ge23' Sun
Uranus 28°Le37' Sextile ....26 ..... Jun 20 1962 .... 28°Ge23' Sun
Venus 04°Cn39' SSx........ 27 ......Jun 21 1962...... 04°Le41' Venus
Sun 05°Ge13' Con........... 28 ...... Jun 22 1962 .... 05°Le52' Venus
Sun 05°Ge13' Sign ..........28 ....... Jun 22 1962..... 00°Cn18' Sign
Jupiter 10°Pi38' SSx ........28....... Jun 22 1962...... 10°Aq38' Saturn
Moon 07°Pi41' Qu ..........29....... Jun 23 1962 ...... 07°Le03' Venus
Pluto 07°Vi32' Con ........29 ...... Jun 23 1962....... 07°Le03' Venus
MC 01°Vi31' Sextile...... 29 ........Jun 23 1962....... 01°Cn15' Sun

All I've done is write out the year in which there is some contact with progressed Planets.

At age 19, my natal Venus progressed to conjunct the 9th House Cusp at 25° Cancer.

How do you interpret that?

The 9th House Cusp is Cancer ruled by my Moon in my natal 4th House. What is the 9th House? Among things, it's long journeys. 4th House is the home.

I left the United States and didn't return for about 10 years.

See? It ain't so hard.

At age 23 my Venus progressed into the Sign of Leo. I got married. Because Venus progressed into Leo? Not entirely. My natal Mercury was Stationary in the natal 7th House, then it went Retrograde and then it went direct at age 26. In reality, I was actually 25 1/2 years old when Mercury went Direct in my 7th House of Relationships.

That is one of the advantages of writing out your progressions. When you see something like that, natal Venus progressed into the 9th House then into the Sign of Leo while Mercury goes Direct, you want to actually do a chart for that time period and then also look at the transits so you can get a sense of the timing (in this case transiting Moon conjunct Ascendant).

When I was 28, natal Sun changed Signs and entered Cancer. Did I become a Cancer? No, but I did take on some of the traits of Cancer. I became more sensitive, very emotional and extremely traditional, plus I took on a few of the negative characteristics, like brooding and being way too cautious, but then I was suffering from PTSD and the effects were starting to manifest themselves in a serious way.

When my Ascendant progressed into Sagittarius, I did not become a Sagittarius, but I did take on a few traits, like being really straightforward, to the point of being very blunt, and also broadminded and quite the procrastinator.

Natal .... Position .. Action ....Age... Date ............ Location .. Contact
Asc...... 20°Sc43' ..Sextile ....90 .... Aug 23 1962 ...20°Vi41' ... Mercury
Sun..... 05°Ge13' .. Sign .......91 .... Aug 24 1962... 00°Vi33' ....Virgo
MC ......01°Vi31' ....Sextile.... 91 .... Aug 24 1962 .. 01°Cn06'... Mars
Sun.... 05°Ge13'.... House .... 92..... Aug 25 1962 .. 01°Vi31' ...10th House
MC ......01°Vi31'..... Con .......92 .... Aug 25 1962... 01°Vi31' ... Sun

There's where I exit stage left. Not because of those particular progressions, mind you, but because of that and other things going on with transits and the Anareta wants to Tango.

The other benefit to writing out your progressions is that if you don't know the houses, signs, elements and natures (and that would be about 80% of you), then you will when you're done. The elements trine, the natures oppose and square, sextiles are always Fire/Air or Earth/Water etc.

I recommend using some of the minor aspects, like the quincunx, semi-sextile and semi-square.

Often in your life you might notice periods where your relationship with your children, spouse, parents, friends, co-workers or supervisors is a little testy and irritating. I guarantee you'll always find a semi-sextile or semi-square there. And the advantage of knowing that in advance is that you can take a "time-out," give yourself a "yellow card," take a different approach or do other things to make your life and everyone else's more pleasant.

Aspect orbs for progressions are 30' to 1° maximum. In addition to aspects, Planets changing Signs, Houses or going Direct or Retrograde are very important to note. For Planets that go Direct or Retrograde, flip ahead in the ephemeris and look to see if any transiting Planets are conjunct that point, because it will be emphasized. The same is true if a progressed Planet goes Direct or Retrograde at the pre-natal eclipses or the last Moon before birth (which will either be a Full Moon or a New Moon).

What if a progressed Planet goes Direct or Retrograde at the same point where there is a transiting Eclipse or New/Full Moon for that month? I don't know, but note it and look at it in detail later. You can ignore Lunar Eclipses after 3 months, but for Solar Eclipses it'll depend on the nature of the Sign (ie 3 months for Cardinal, 6 months for Mutable and 12 months for Fixed).

After you make your list or table, look at past events and see if you can make sense of them. As I said, not everything will manifest itself in a way that you can physically see. Once you get a feel for past events, you can start looking at future events.

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