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Many astrologers use the ruler of the Sign the Ascendant is in, to determine one's personal Chart-ruler.

Similarly, the ruler of the Sign the Age-indicator is in, can be considered to determine the collective Chart-ruler. During the tropical Age of Sagittarius, for example, Jupiter--considered the King of the gods by the Greco-Roman religions--was the collective Chart-ruler.

During this tropical Age of Capricorn, Saturn has surpassed Jupiter in that regard. So, in the Mundane sense, Age-ruler Saturn has the most powerful, collective, overall effect on our daily lives.

Saturn is linked to the linear measurement of time, and in purely secular terms, that means we're a Time-ruled culture, particularly in the Western hemisphere. In the previous Ages of the Fall seasonal quadrant, convenient linear time-measurement was difficult to accomplish. There were water-clocks, sundials, candles marked to approximate the hours, and the hourglass.

So, one of the major advancements of Capricornian Age technology, from the standpoint of its rulership, was the invention of an accurate mechanical clock. Although mechanical clocks came into widespread use in Western Europe in the middle of the tropical Age of Capricorn, around the start of the 14th Century, the first reliably accurate clock was the pendulum clock, invented in 1656. The pocket-watch and wristwatch became reliably accurate in the 19th Century. Now, with this Saturn-oriented Age culminating in its last few degrees, modern science has developed the "atomic clock", accurate to the exact second for millions of years.

Nearly all of our standard devices have a timed, base-ten, digital display, synchronized by a radio-wave signal. All modern-day technology requires accurate timing.


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Well, I have tried 3 times now. I can't read him. For me, he leads nowhere.
Well, he's the only sidereal astrologer I know of who's on public record as having a date for the Aquarian Age already having started. His sidereal zodiac sets the Sign-boundaries much like Vedics (who differ among themselves, within a few degrees). If he hadn't advanced the Age-indicator by 15 degrees, he'd say it won't begin for another few centuries, like all the other practicing siderealists I'm aware of.

J.A..'s memes-only thread claiming to be somehow about the Aquarian Age isn't shedding any light on when it starts.
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Well, I have tried 3 times now. I can't read him. For me, he leads nowhere.
The wheels within wheels he uses regarding the Ages weren't making sense to me either.
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In terms of locating the Ages in a Chart, that requires an Age-indicator that transits the Signs. Then, examine the REASON it transits. In both this tropical method, and the sidereal method, it's transiting due to Precession, caused by EARTH'S "wobble" as it rotates on its axis. Tropically, it's it's about the wobble causing "precession" of EARTH'S perihelion, whereas sidereally, it's about the wobble causing precession of EARTH'S equinox.

For that reason, I consider the astrological Ages as the effect of the Earth itself on our Earth-based Charts. So, the Age is the CONTEXT within which the entire configuration operates. What an Age manifests is the aggregate result of having the Age-indicator in the same Sign for so many centuries, in everyone's Chart at once. There are Age-degree generations, 30 per Age-sign, as an Age progresses.

The tropical Age-generation per degree is 58.1 years, with the Mean-setting, 27th degree generation, beginning in the Natal-charts on January 4th, 1975. The 28th degree Age-generation will begin in the Natal-charts of those born on January 6th, 2033.

The sidereal Age-generations last 71.6 years, per degree of transit. Identifying the dates for those Age-generations is entirely a matter of opinion, depending on where each siderealist chooses to locate the sidereal Sign-boundaries.

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Btw, if anyone believes I'm in error regarding anything I'm saying about the Ages, please don't hesitate to explain why. I'm always open to new information that might help me to make adjustments.

Also, if something I've said doesn't seem to make sense, I'll see if I can clarify it for you.
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Well, I been thinking, each part of astrology carries its own rules. Horary, Mundane, Natal, Geographical, all have their own quirks.

It has been said, that Sidereal is for the Ages.

I do not like sidereal for my natal. It doesn't sound like me. Tropical works for me for natal.

That said. If sidereal is for the ages, does that mean that it was developed for the reversed polarity of the backward movement through the signs?
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Well, I been thinking, each part of astrology carries its own rules. Horary, Mundane, Natal, Geographical, all have their own quirks.

It has been said, that Sidereal is for the Ages.

I do not like sidereal for my natal. It doesn't sound like me. Tropical works for me for natal.

That said. If sidereal is for the ages, does that mean that it was developed for the reversed polarity of the backward movement through the signs?
I think that the opinion of tropicalists that sidereal is only for the Ages is the result of intuitively sensing the upcoming tropical Aquarian Age, not realizing there even is one, and not wanting to switch over to sidereal for anything but its Age of Aquarius.

This ends up with what appears to be a very un-Piscean sidereal Age of Pisces, since the qualities of Pisces don't match those of tropical Astrology's Age of Capricorn. And, a very un-Aquarian view of the Aquarian Age as well, because the finish-up of the tropical Age of Capricorn is mistaken for the beginning of the sidereal Age of Aquarius.

Since we have retrograde sidereal Ages occurring at the same time as direct-motion tropical Ages, both polarities are in play at once. I hadn't considered that. Thanks Opal!

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With both polarities at once, it sets up a cross-current. The tropical Age of Capricorn is infused with Piscean qualities from the sidereal Age, and vice versa. Just as the tropical Age of Sagittarius was infused with Aries qualities from the sidereal Age of Aries.

What's so remarkable about the next Age is, it's the Aquarian Age in both directions at once!

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Also of interest. With the Tropical. It would arrive at 0.00 1st decanate. With the Sidereal. It would arrive at 29.59 3rd decanate.

Two differing styles. Tropical flavoured by Aquarius. Sidereal flavoured by Libra.

I wonder, what degree, they would meet at in Gemini?
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With both polarities at once, it sets up a cross-current. The tropical Age of Capricorn is infused with Piscean qualities from the sidereal Age, and vice versa. Just as the tropical Age of Sagittarius was infused with Aries qualities from the sidereal Age of Aries.

What's so remarkable about the next Age is, it's the Aquarian Age in both directions at once!
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The Magnetic Field Matrix is all-encompassing. That's what astrology is all about.
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The astrological Ages are specifically about how our own, personal electromagnetic fields are affected by the changes in the Earth's magnetic field--magnetic resonance and dissonance, within the context of the cosmic Magnetic Field Matrix.
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Sidereal astrology, (which includes Vedic) IS a "real thing" to thousands of astrologers around the world. Modernistic sidereal Western astrologers have their own website called "Solunars", and they are adamant about the Aquarian Age being centuries away from beginning; and, to top it off, they are also adamant that neither Sign-blending nor Orb-influence can allow for even the slightest amount of Aquarian Age manifestations until the Fagan-Bradley start-year of 2376. The Vedic settings (there are several) of the sidereal Sign-boundaries yield a similar result, regarding when the sidereal Aquarian Age will begin.
Here's a standard, Western sidereal opinion on the matter:

https://astralharmony.com/blog/not-e...-age-aquarius/

Btw, most siderealists dismiss the tropical zodiac ALTOGETHER, as "fake astrology". This particular blogger explains that it's "cosmic radiation" from the constellations that creates the Sign-qualities, NOT the Earth's axial tilt relative to the Sun, which is the tropical rationale.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion!

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It's really almost only tropical astrologers who sense the impending Age of Aquarius. Unfortunately, they're using the sidereal zodiac to explain that intuitive certainty, not their own tried and true tropical zodiac.

The first True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator that will formally ingress tropical Aquarius is in 2047. The Mean-setting, which I believe is more influential, will reach 28 degrees of tropical Capricorn in 2033, along with a True-setting within less than 1/2 a degree of the first point of tropical Aquarius.
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Using a 5 degree Orb for the Age-indicator to begin its initial Orb-influence, it began its gradually increasing Orb-activation of tropical Aquarius in the year 1800. That's when the TROPICAL Aquarian Age entered our intuitive awareness. By the late 1960s, it had reached widespread conscious acceptance, although it was (and still is) misunderstood as being a sidereal-only concept.

However, the tropical, Saturn-ruled Age of Capricorn remains the dominant, primary influence until the Uranian-ruled Aquarian Age takes over. That will be when the Mean-setting, Longitudinal-point of the Age-indicator ingresses tropical Aquarius in the year 2149.

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Do you have or have you read C E O Carter's An introduction to Political Astrology? Chapter 5 "Historical Cycles and Newly Found Planets" is a must for you. Seriously.
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Do you have or have you read C E O Carter's An introduction to Political Astrology? Chapter 5 "Historical Cycles and Newly Found Planets" is a must for you. Seriously.
Have you read it? If so, is there anything that especially stands out regarding the astrological Ages?

There's no e-book available, so I'll check the library.
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Carter's known for describing much of what's been written about the Aquarian Age as "nonsense". So, I searched around looking for anything about his own opinion on the matter, but couldn't find anything.
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Opal, I think you would understand the meaning of a "strong finish" more than most. That's essential to understanding the slow, "Dark Ages" start to the tropical Age of Capricorn, a building of momentum at the Renaissance in the middle, and then an acceleration towards a remarkable culmination at the ending, which is the phase we're in now.
Like a long-distance runner, conserving energy for a "kick" towards the finish line.

In stark contrast, the tropical Aquarian Age will sprint off the starting line, and evidence its most important and representative manifestations in the first half of the race, building a strong enough lead to coast the rest of the way.
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Carter's known for describing much of what's been written about the Aquarian Age as "nonsense". So, I searched around looking for anything about his own opinion on the matter, but couldn't find anything.
It's only nonsense because the sidereal Ages that everyone else is opinionating about are too variational in how they're being determined, and don't do a good enough job by themselves in explaining our recent history in terms that correspond well enough to the Sign-qualities of Pisces and Aquarius. But, combined with the tropical Ages I've been explaining they make sense. Without the tropical Ages, they are nonsensical.

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It's only nonsense because the sidereal Ages that everyone else is opinionating about are too variational in how they're being determined, and don't do a good enough job by themselves in explaining our recent history in terms that correspond well enough to the Sign-qualities of Pisces and Aquarius. But, combined with the tropical Ages I've been explaining they make sense. Without the tropical Ages, they are nonsensical.
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It makes sense in regard to moving from linear, single-path consciousness to multiple-path, from the Saturnian-ruled Age of Capricorn into the Uranian-ruled Aquarian Age. Saturn is about linear-time, and being restricted to a "cradle-to-grave" lifetime.
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I've read so many opinions concerning "What will the Age of Aquarius be like", I've lost count. They've all been based solely on a sidereal-only version with a retrograde sequence of Ages. And, nearly all of them are basically "business as usual" with more sophisticated technology and time-worn social constructs.

It's nonsensical to insist that knowledge of the astrological Ages is restricted to a sidereal version of the zodiac. So, while a few have intuitively grasped the import of the extreme paradigm shift in our conscious awareness that will manifest itself early in the tropical Aquarian Age, most have not; and, it's a simple matter of "nonsense in = nonsense out", with no reflection on the intelligence of those holding the nonsensical opinions.

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5G is Saturnian-oriented Age of Capricorn. 5D is Uranian-oriented Age of Aquarius.
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