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Angry Can u see any HIV infection through my chart..how long will i live and my future

i am worry and i have fear that i will be ended up with HIV with very recent insident as i have exposed for unprotected oral sex..it make me fear. and i am worry that i could not able to take care of my Old parents..

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6th House - Kuja,Shukra,Chandra
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i am also having kala sarpa youga..is there such bad death belong to me,,can i get marry and having good family life..

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The chances of getting HIV through GIVING oral sex with good dental health is infinitesimally low (mouth membrane is extremely resilient to infections and saliva has enzymes that render HIV harmless). Chances of getting it through receiving oral sex is nearly zero (saliva is noninfectious). So you don't have to worry about HIV through this incident. Herpes, syphilis, etc. is another story. There have been studies of hundreds of couples done where there was an hiv+ person and a hiv- person in the couple and they only had unprotected oral but protective penetrative sex and nobody seroconverted.

I do not believe in Kal Sarpa Yoga. The Vedic classical works mentioned many yogas and never mentioned Kal Sarpa Yoga and to believe one yoga spoils someone's life and other yogas is ridiculous.
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There is a difference between belief and experience. I've seen many charts with Kala Sarpa yoga, and while it did not end a person's life, it did make some pretty interesting events happen, although usually it had a stronger effect on the person's perceptions. It created psychological confusion, phobias and fears, and made people subjected to strange unforeseen circumstances, more than other charts. It also depends on the degree of how it is situated in the chart and also other vargas and indications that lead confluence.

Usually a good spiritual practice or association with positive uplifting people really helps this, although most people with the yoga are attracted to the opposite. So it does take will power and self effort to deal with.
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There is a difference between belief and experience. I've seen many charts with Kala Sarpa yoga, and while it did not end a person's life, it did make some pretty interesting events happen, although usually it had a stronger effect on the person's perceptions. It created psychological confusion, phobias and fears, and made people subjected to strange unforeseen circumstances, more than other charts. It also depends on the degree of how it is situated in the chart and also other vargas and indications that lead confluence.

Usually a good spiritual practice or association with positive uplifting people really helps this, although most people with the yoga are attracted to the opposite. So it does take will power and self effort to deal with.
You could pick out a million people WITHOUT Kal Sarpa Yoga and say that their lives had psychological confusion, phobias, fears, etc. Saying it was caused by Kal Sarpa Yoga is a bunch of BS.

Find me someone whose life wasn't subject to unforseen circumstances?

This is why smart people look at astrology and say it is fake.
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Your statement is very broad. I understand what you are saying. But for example I have seen Saturn's conjunction or aspect on the moon to cause depression and lack of self worth, or belief in one's self. By that I mean it becomes a defining characteristic of their experience. You could easily say, "who doesn't experience depression, sadness, or lack of self esteem from time to time." That is true, we all go through phases, but for some it's more persistent. Just like a musician is know by the fact he plays music every day, vs. the closet violinist who picks it up every 2 months and no one knows he plays the violin, it's in regards to consistency.

So while you are right, "Find me someone whose life wasn't subject to unforseen circumstances?"

Haven't you ever known people where that is the defining characteristic? Meaning, as in they always have some unforeseen drama going on? Also I noticed you disregarded my comment: " It created psychological confusion, phobias and fears, and made people subjected to strange unforeseen circumstances, more than other charts."

The focus is on phobias, fears and confusion and Strange unforeseen circumstances. An unforeseen circumstance like a car crash, is unforeseen, but it is not strange.

I don't disagree with you, that we all have this to a degree, but unless you had many clients with kala sarpa yoga and seen the consistent results, that are not there with clients who do not have, it your assertion that it is BS, is unfounded. I'm open to hearing your assertions based on the charts you've seen with Kala Sarpa yoga. I can find probably 10-15 (actual normal people who were clients) in my database, that have had the same consistent experience.

There is a strong sense of not wanting to be in the world. A predisposition to blowing things out of proportion in a major way, consistent fears and phobias that dominate their life, and suffering from a general sense that nothing the do can go right, or often they have many psychosomatic illness that no one can diagnose accurately.

I do think what a lot of people say about Kala Sarpa yoga needs to be modified based on the chart as a whole.

This is very much different, than other clients who don't have this as the consistent theme. Of course it also depends on where the Kala Sarpa yoga falls, on the 1/7 axis or the 4/10 axis makes it more dominant and in a person's life.

So whether we call it kala sarpa yoga, or just a strong nodal influence, the results are typically the same, at least based on my experience so far.

And it may not be that smart people look at astrology and say it's fake because of this. It may that principles are applied too broadly, and so they say it's fake because people just read off meanings of yogas, like kala sarpa yoga, or mahapurusha yogas, with out actually assessing the strength of the entire chart, and so fail in their assessment.

I know a lot of charts with mahapurusha yogas, but these are not great people. They are not even often above average, because the yoga is not strong, or it is "dead".

So please consider that saying Kala Sarpa Yoga is BS, is just like saying someone with an exalted Jupiter is going to have lots of money and be happy all the time. It depends on the rest of the chart. Broad sweeping statements don't help either side of an argument.

Again, with kala sarpa, that has been my experience, and that would not be something I would often say about other charts without that yoga, unless of course, the nodes were influencing in some other odd way.

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PS- This can also be said about Sade Sati period. Why is it sometimes Sade Sati totally annihilates someones life, while others nothing happens, or the reverse people have great fortune?

It's because of how Saturn is situated or how the dashas or running, or how Saturn is related to the person's chart in dignity.

People make a big deal about Sade Sati too, and you can say it's BS, or you can consider that if the conditions are right, it can work like most people say it can. It all depends on proper assessment.
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PS- This can also be said about Sade Sati period. Why is it sometimes Sade Sati totally annihilates someones life, while others nothing happens, or the reverse people have great fortune?

It's because of how Saturn is situated or how the dashas or running, or how Saturn is related to the person's chart in dignity.

People make a big deal about Sade Sati too, and you can say it's BS, or you can consider that if the conditions are right, it can work like most people say it can. It all depends on proper assessment.
For one thing Kal Sarpa Yoga has not been mentioned by any classical vedic sages. WHY would sages who mentioned hundreds of such combinations neglect to mention a yoga that would diminish all POSITIVE aspects of a chart?? This is an extremely important yoga yet was 'forgotten' by classical sages. It is a scam yoga so vedic astrologers can make a lot of money off remedies.

Oh you forgot about 'partial kal sarpa yoga' where one or even two or three planets could be left out of the rahu/ketu axis and you could still have bad effects. Tell Hillary and Bill Clinton about how their lives were so spoiled....

Kal Sarpa Yoga is a scam, Partial kal Sarpa Yoga is an even bigger scam. Maybe you should learn to research things before just spouting things you hear.
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Re: Can u see any HIV infection through my chart..how long will i live and my future

..so guys both of you telling me that i have unnessary worry about HIV thing... any way ne too have no idea..better to get test to remove the clouds of my mind..
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..so guys both of you telling me that i have unnessary worry about HIV thing... any way ne too have no idea..better to get test to remove the clouds of my mind..
I already told you, receiving unprotected oral does not put you at risk for HIV. Saliva is a NONINFECTIOUS fluid. Therefore it does not put you at risk. You don't need astrology to tell you if you were infected. If you want to do a test to ease your mind, you should wait 3 months after the incident.
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Hi Sam..

Its extremely difficult to really determine if someone will or has contracted an STD simply by looking at their chart... but there are a few things that have been related with them..

1) Mars/Neptune hard aspects
2) Mars/Uranus hard aspects
3) Mars or Pluto in 12 (occasionally)
etc..

But more over, simply because someone does have these aspects never guarantees that they'll contract an STD - there are too many variables in astrology to say for sure..

I will say this; you have your 6th house ruled by Virgo - I believe you may be blowing this out of the water! Meaning, you are too worried over nothing... this is a typical "hypochondriac" placement.. where the native worries excessively over their health, but nothing is even wrong with them.

Your Mercury (6th ruler) is in your 7th, so again this points to you worrying over your health in relation to others.... you are scared that a partner could infect you with an STD, etc.

Your 8th house is ruled by Scorpio, so I would definitely use protection when you are intimate with someone. I wouldnt foolhardily just jump into sex without knowing someone if I were you.......... casual sex is becoming very common these days, but it is never to our benefit. Its risky business, so make sure that you control yourself sexually and not take those risks to begin with.

You do have Mars squaring Neptune.... which shows that you should, again, be extra cautious not to engage in casual sex. This aspect could possibly show some amount of illness related to sex... STD's... (it could also means that you are simply submissive sexually, or even that you drink often, etc)

Overall, your chart doesnt look too bad.. if anything, I believe you're just getting carried away with fear on your health -- not only is your 6th house ruled by Virgo, but you have Mars and Venus there too.

Longevity is indicated by 8th house Scorpio + Uranus and Jupiter there.... you could live a fairly long life with Jupiter in your 8th, as long as you dont engage in unnecessary chaos (Uranus)....

By being overly lackadaisical with yourself and refusing to see danger where it is present, you could shorten your longevity. (No outrageous risks, no flying around driving, no craziness... simply dont take so many dangerous risks in your life and I believe everything will level out for you.....)

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Also to be in debt due to your PARENTS education, is ridiculous. That isn't your debt to pay off or help pay off. I don't understand Indian/Eastern culture. Your parents decide who you marry and you have to pay off your parents debt? Not trying to be ethnocentric but it sounds crazy.
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Ixaee I agree, I could see the potential for STDs in SAM's chart. However, in this instance if this is all that was done, he did not contract HIV. Infectious fluids with enough viral load to infect-semen, vaginal fluid, blood, breast milk. Period.
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Ixaee I agree, I could see the potential for STDs in SAM's chart. However, in this instance if this is all that was done, he did not contract HIV. Infectious fluids with enough viral load to infect-semen, vaginal fluid, blood, breast milk. Period.
Definitely Retinoid, I agree with you too....

But it also depends if he was sleeping with another man. If he is gay/bisexual, and he was the one giving a man oral who was HIV+.... and he swallowed his semen.... there is a bit of a chance that he could be infected too.

Im not sure if it appropriate to ask him if he did sleep with another man though... or if someone gave him oral (which would be a slim-to-none chance that he could be infected)
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If this were merely an academic discussion, we could leave it at this. But since it involves a person, looking for information about a very important aspect of their life, it's a good idea to remember, that information off of the internet is not the best source for serious issues. Talk to a specialist in the field of medicine, like a doctor, and let them reassure you, or help you deal with what you need to deal with.

Forums are great, but aren't any place to diagnose.
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Definitely Retinoid, I agree with you too....

But it also depends if he was sleeping with another man. If he is gay/bisexual, and he was the one giving a man oral who was HIV+.... and he swallowed his semen.... there is a bit of a chance that he could be infected too.

Im not sure if it appropriate to ask him if he did sleep with another man though... or if someone gave him oral (which would be a slim-to-none chance that he could be infected)
Someone gave him oral.

Even swallowing someone's semen does not pose a major risk to getting hiv. Our mouth and throat are made to be exposed to pathogens and therefore getting enough virus in the blood stream to infect is not likely. Unless you had dental issues then giving oral is also an extremely low risk activity.
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...Actually i was the Insertive partner..
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If this were merely an academic discussion, we could leave it at this. But since it involves a person, looking for information about a very important aspect of their life, it's a good idea to remember, that information off of the internet is not the best source for serious issues. Talk to a specialist in the field of medicine, like a doctor, and let them reassure you, or help you deal with what you need to deal with.

Forums are great, but aren't any place to diagnose.
It isn't academic. Receiving oral sex does not transmit HIV. Saliva is noninfectious. Nothing academic. You can get other diseases however through receiving oral (herpes, syphilis, chlamydia, etc.) And who knows what other STD is lurking waiting to be found like HIV was. Point is, you should still protect yourself...
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Sorry but I did read somewhere on the internet about a man who had "O Sex" performed and in 2 or 3 days developed problems.

But I guess one should look this up on the net
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i am worry and i have fear that i will be ended up with HIV with very recent insident as i have exposed for unprotected oral sex..it make me fear. and i am worry that i could not able to take care of my Old parents..

1983/10/31 @ 16.33 at colombo Sri Lanka.

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6th House - Kuja,Shukra,Chandra
8th House- Sani,Budha,Ravi
9th House- guru kethu

i am also having kala sarpa youga..is there such bad death belong to me,,can i get marry and having good family life..

tc
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Dear sam1000,

You better start a fresh thread without the frightening icon and with normal question.

Kal Sarpa Yoga is not relevant in your case, not related with your queries also.

HIV infection may happen when certain specific conditions are fulfilled. In your case, the mathematical joint probability of its occurrence may be 1/2 * 1/2* 1/2 * 1/2 *1/2 = 1/32 = 3% approximately. So, do not behave like that person who died out of fear after a snake bite, ( while swimming ) though the snake was perfectly non poisonous.

If you open a separate thread , i and many of your friends cum (astrologers) will be glad to see how healthy you are.

I stayed in Africa for more than a decade and know about HIV infection as about 20% of people were infected by HIV in that country.

Last but not the least, this incident has a positive effect on you as you will not go for any risky action/behavior in future.

many well wishers have suggested to get a medical test done. Pl do that according to your convenience. Don't Panic.

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