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I agree that Ceres is somehow significant. It's "the would-be planet that never was".
Like Pluto?

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Ceres, 4 Vesta, 2 Pallas, 7 Iris, 3 Juno, and 6 Hebe > Neptune and Pluto in magnitude and according to my distance / size theory.
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Huh, why did astrologers stick with Pluto,
but not with a historical astronomical definition of Ceres,
seems somewhat inconsistent?
good question - also Eris is larger than pluto
and then there's Chiron - provisional designation 1977 UB
aka 95P/Chiron

Chiron is officially designated as both a cometó95P/Chiron
AND a minor planet
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Like Pluto?
No, Pluto IS a fully formed astrological planet. Ceres is the largest, but still small remnant of a planet between Mars and the bloated giant, Jupiter, that was in the process of formation. Jupiter's gravitational field blew it apart.
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No, Pluto IS a fully formed astrological planet.
If being downgraded from planet to dwarf planet back in 2006
was one identity crisis for Pluto, here's another

Scientists now say the ninth rock from the sun could be a sort of giant comet
having formed when a billion or so comets clumped together in the solar system's early days
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Ceres is the largest, but still small remnant of a planet
between Mars and the bloated giant, Jupiter, that was in the process of formation.

Jupiter's gravitational field blew it apart.
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If being downgraded from planet to dwarf planet back in 2006
was one identity crisis for Pluto, here's another

Scientists now say the ninth rock from the sun could be a sort of giant comet
having formed when a billion or so comets clumped together in the solar system's early days
I won't comet on that.
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If being downgraded from planet to dwarf planet back in 2006
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Scientists now say the ninth rock from the sun could be a sort of giant comet
having formed when a billion or so comets clumped together in the solar system's early days
This thread is about the fully accredited planet Neptune. If you want to talk about the astrological planet Pluto, start your own thread!
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This thread is about the fully accredited planet Neptune. If you want to talk about the astrological planet Pluto, start your own thread!
Do you know some living astrologer who uses Neptune without Pluto?
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Do you know some living astrologer who uses Neptune without Pluto?
How about one that uses Pluto without Neptune?
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How about one that uses Pluto without Neptune?
Pluto is more popular than Neptune. According to Frawley, its significations are meant to suit the edgy modern astrologer.
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Pluto is more popular than Neptune. According to Frawley, its significations are meant to suit the edgy modern astrologer.
You're right. I mostly use Neptune for generational purposes, whereas most Mods appear to be more tuned in to Plutonian generations.
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How do most Mods use trans-Saturnian planets in analyzing the natal charts of those born before the modern astronomical discovery or astrological designation of those planets?

I mean, itís kind of easier to find a use for those planets in understanding mundane astrology, even Ages, because of the nature of participation mystique and the difficulty for us to understand what life was like in a different time.
Does the existence of astronomical technology capable of revealing distant objects, necessitate the expansion of the astrological cosmos beyond a strictly geocentric perspective? So the trans Saturnians represent our link to that other universe?

Thatís as clear as mobile can get me

The natal chart seems a fuzzier area.
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How do most Mods use trans-Saturnian planets in analyzing the natal charts of those born before the modern astronomical discovery or astrological designation of those planets?

I mean, itís kind of easier to find a use for those planets in understanding mundane astrology, even Ages, because of the nature of participation mystique and the difficulty for us to understand what life was like in a different time.
Does the existence of astronomical technology capable of revealing distant objects, necessitate the expansion of the astrological cosmos beyond a strictly geocentric perspective? So the trans Saturnians represent our link to that other universe?

Thatís as clear as mobile can get me

The natal chart seems a fuzzier area.
I would say the usual Mod perspective is, that the Outermosts were having an astrological effect even though the ancient astrologers were unaware of them. As for Natal-charts, I see no problem with the slower movement, because they still work for Signs, Houses, and Aspects.

As to moving outside of the strictly Geocentric perspective, it was already done by some in ancient times, regarding the possibility of Earth's rotation, and the Heliocentric model. Now, of course, it's widely accepted, along with the idea that the Earth isn't the center of the Universe.
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As for Natal-charts, I see no problem with the slower movement, because they still work for Signs, Houses, and Aspects.
Do they though?
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Do they though?
I've found it so.
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It's convenient to use them to describe generational groupings, but that doesn't compromise their influence regarding an individual's Chart.
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I've found it so.
I've found the seven to become problematically slow in the charts of multiple births or time-twins. But then again it wouldn't hurt to have everyone as time-twins with the outers - problem solved.

The others do change relative to them, that is correct.
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I've found the seven to become problematically slow in the charts of multiple births or time-twins. But then again it wouldn't hurt to have everyone as time-twins with the outers - problem solved.
It would explain the extremely close connection that twins and triplets have been known to have.
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It would explain the extremely close connection that twins and triplets have been known to have.
Problem with your theory - some multiple births are identical, others are fraternal and basically brothers.
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Problem with your theory - some multiple births are identical, others are fraternal and basically brothers.
But the Outermosts are in nearly identical places in their Birth-charts. I've known three pairs of fraternal twins, and they were closely connected, with similar personalities.
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