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Caution: At least a modicum of objective overview is required to recognize that the Earth is, in fact, a planet revolving around the Sun.
What is your evidence?

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What is your evidence?
Makes more sense than the ENTIRE Celestial Sphere rotating around the Earth on a daily basis. Or, that the HUGE Sun is on an orbit around relatively tiny Earth.
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Makes more sense than the ENTIRE Celestial Sphere rotating around the Earth on a daily basis. Or, that the HUGE Sun is on an orbit around relatively tiny Earth.
''Makes more sense to me'' is no objective evidence my friend.
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''Makes more sense to me'' is no objective evidence my friend.
The reverse is also true. ALL movement is relative. You're CHOOSING to hold the Earth entirely motionless at the center of the Universe because it makes more sense to you.
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The reverse is also true. ALL movement is relative. You're CHOOSING to hold the Earth entirely motionless at the center of the Universe because it makes more sense to you.
I think God said so in the scriptures.
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I think God said so.
Where is it Written?
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Where is it Written?
Genesis 1:14-18, Joshua 10:12-13, 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 19:6, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, Job 26:7, Isaiah 40:22, Ecclesiastes 1:5 and elsewhere?
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Did all Hellenistic astrologers subscribe to the O.T.?
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Did all Hellenistic astrologers subscribe to the O.T.?
Why are you asking?
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Why are you asking?
Because our astrology is rooted in the Hellenistic period, which coincided with the tropical Age of Sagittarius (c.1400 B.C.E.-400 A.D.)
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Because our astrology is rooted in the Hellenistic period, which coincided with the tropical Age of Sagittarius (c.1400 B.C.E.-400 A.D.)
Most Renaissance astrologers like Morinus said that astrology was practiced and transmitted to the nations by the patriarchs like Noah and Abraham. The traditions of the Jews in the Talmud also contain such stories.

Anyway most Hellenistic astrologers were idol-worshippers. However, by their own account, all their methods are natural and part of physics, not religious - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...0&postcount=16

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Most Renaissance astrologers like Morinus said that astrology was practiced by the patriarchs like Noah and Abraham. The traditions of the Jews in the Talmud also contain such stories.

Anyway most Hellenistic astrologers were idol-worshippers. However, by their own account, all their methods are natural and part of physics, not religious - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...0&postcount=16
Aristarchus of Samos (c.250 B.C.E.) is first on record to envision the overview of the Heliocentric system.
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Aristarchus of Samos (c.250 B.C.E.) is first on record to envision the overview of the Heliocentric system.
His theory wasn't widely accepted because he didn't provide much evidence. Anyways, there isn't just one heliocentric model and just one geocentric model, but variety of models some coming from antiquity - Eudoxus and philosophers used Earth as constant center, Ptolemy used deferents and epicycles, Copernicus used epicycles, Wittich and Capella thought that the orbits of the Sun and Mars do not intersect, Ursus thought the orbits of Venus and Mercury and Mars intersect, but not of the Sun, Tycho thought the Sun and Mars orbits intersect and so on.
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His theory wasn't widely accepted because he didn't provide much evidence. Anyways, there isn't just one heliocentric model and just one geocentric model, but variety of models some coming from antiquity - Eudoxus and philosophers used Earth as constant center, Ptolemy used deferents and epicycles, Copernicus used epicycles, Wittich and Capella thought that the orbits of the Sun and Mars do not intersect, Ursus thought the orbits of Venus and Mercury and Mars intersect, but not of the Sun, Tycho thought the Sun and Mars orbits intersect and so on.
Heraclides Ponticus (c.350 B.C.E.) is credited with the theory that Earth revolves on its axis.

My point is, that the overview can be used to provide interpretive information for the fixed-Earth configuration. Again, all movement is relative to the CHOICE of what is held stationary. Can't be proven one way or the other, but Kepler's 3 laws of heliocentric planetary motion, with Earth included as a planet, simplified it so well and so accurately, it's been adopted as the only "correct" modern, scientific theory .
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Heraclides Ponticus (c.350 B.C.E.) is credited with the theory that Earth revolves on its axis.

My point is, that the overview can be used to provide interpretive information for the fixed-Earth configuration. Again, all movement is relative to the CHOICE of what is held stationary. Can't be proven one way or the other, but Kepler's 3 laws of heliocentric planetary motion, with Earth included as a planet, simplified it so well and so accurately, it's been adopted as the only "correct" modern, scientific theory .
Well it is not the only correct model according to the modern relativists Einstein and Infeld (1938).
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Well it is not the only correct model according to the modern relativists Einstein and Infeld (1938).
Did they dispute the mathematics of Kepler's model, or just the reasons for it? Pretty sure it's the latter--a questioning of the nature of Gravity, and Newtonian mechanics.
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Did they dispute the mathematics of Kepler's model, or just the reasons for it? Pretty sure it's the latter--a questioning of the nature of Gravity, and Newtonian mechanics.
Two coordinate systems - Albert Einstein and Leopold Infeld wrote in The Evolution of Physics (1938): "Can we formulate physical laws so that they are valid for all CS (=coordinate systems), not only those moving uniformly, but also those moving quite arbitrarily, relative to each other? If this can be done, our difficulties will be over. We shall then be able to apply the laws of nature to any CS. The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences, 'the sun is at rest and the Earth moves', or 'the sun moves and the Earth is at rest', would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS. Could we build a real relativistic physics valid in all CS; a physics in which there would be no place for absolute, but only for relative, motion? This is indeed possible!"
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There ARE 2 major coordinate systems, Geocentric and Heliocentric. It's just a matter of what the measurer CHOOSES to hold stationary, and what's moving. I hold the Signs in place in the Geocentric, you hold the Angles in place. It's not a right-way/wrong-way situation.
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There ARE 2 major coordinate systems, Geocentric and Heliocentric. It's just a matter of what the measurer CHOOSES to hold stationary, and what's moving. I hold the Signs in place in the Geocentric, you hold the Angles in place. It's not a right-way/wrong-way situation.
It is pretty hard to argue with the Bible.
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It is pretty hard to argue with the Bible.
Depends on one's belief-paradigm.
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Depends on one's belief-paradigm.
You're certainly entitled to your own belief-paradigm.
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Why aren't asteroids astrological planets? I think you can barely see some of them at times.
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Why aren't asteroids astrological planets?

Ceres was was downgraded to asteroid status
Ceres was considered to be a planet when it was discovered in 1801
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I think you can barely see some of them at times.
even when using a multi billion dollar observatory telescope
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Ceres was was downgraded to asteroid status
Ceres was considered to be a planet when it was discovered in 1801
even when using a multi billion dollar observatory telescope
Huh, why did astrologers stick with Pluto, but not with a historical astronomical definition of Ceres, seems somewhat inconsistent?
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Huh, why did astrologers stick with Pluto, but not with a historical astronomical definition of Ceres, seems somewhat inconsistent?
I agree that Ceres is somehow significant. It's "the would-be planet that never was".
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