General predisposition to car accidents

Arthur Fomalhaut

Arthur Fomalhaut

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i just wanted to ask if I am right to think that a general predisposition to car or in general vehicles(driven by you) accidents would come signified by a stressed 3rd house, such as with a ruler undignified or with stressed aspects to malefics;
also maybe for those who believe in Neptune maybe Neptune present would predisposed to distractions while driving or something like that, or Uranus present

Also maybe state of the Moon, and whether she aspect well or not the planet significator of the native? I wonder
We are talking natal, if you are thinking horary please say so

I have a particular person with Moon fallen present, ruler is in MC square saturn, already has had dead brother in accident, another one accidented, and already some accidents

I appreciate any insight or specific charts and natives observed by you

there is no comment on this particular matter in traditional texts I think, therefore one has to "excogitate it"

thank you
 
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Frisiangal

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Hi,
I have always been given to understand that cars are ruled by Mars. It has associations with haste and speed. Mars is also associated with accidents in general... possibly with Uranus.
Maybe there is a combination of such factors in and/or transiting the 3rd house (of siblings) in the charts you are studying.

As an example but in another context, I exchanged my car to purchase another on 4th November last year. Checking, a transiting Venus-Mars conjunction in Virgo in my 1st house (personal use) was exact sextile my natal Mars.
Venus and Mars rule my 2nd-(co)3rd and 8th-(co)9th houses. Car was paid for out of joint account.:happy:

I checked further for unforgettable dates.

1) On a New Years Eve, travelling by car to celebrate with friends, the driver in the opposite lane lost control and rammed a traffic diversion. A heavy traffic cone flew through the air and hit the front of our car as we passed. The hood immediately flew up and prevented it coming through the windscreen.
Transiting Mars in Pisces was conjunct Desc.
Tr. Moon conjunct tr. Uranus in 3rd house inconjunct natal Mercury-Venus.
Transiting Mercury/tr. Neptune = True N.N. I've always said we had an angel with us that evening.

2) Having worked later than usual, I rushed to catch a train home so that I wouldn't have to wait an hour for the next. Through vandalism the train was derailed, with fatalities.
There was an exact degree transiting Mercury-Uranus conjunction to my Virgo Ascendant.
Transiting Moon in Cancer would have been conjoining natal Mars at the time of it.
Mars=Uranus/Asc. in my natal chart.

I can't remember the exact date in the summer when I was a passenger on a touring coach that hit a pedestrian who crossed a road without looking and was killed instantly. Transiting Mars would have been in 1st or 2nd house; tr. Pluto(modern ruler Scorpio in 3rd house) was conjunct Ascendant.

Mars and 3rd house do seem to be of influence whether driving or being driven.
 
Arthur Fomalhaut

Arthur Fomalhaut

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Thank you Frisiangal,

wow, impressive personal experiences, definitely you seem to have something about it, more as a witness than a victim though. It would be interesting if your significators touch somehow your 7th house, "the others", as if it affects the others, strangers, in transits I believe is the case: the pedestrian killed, signified by the cusp of 7th, had Pluto exact opposition, Pluto in opposition eliminates things, he was eliminated, poor thing.

I tend to agree with you in what you say.

No doubt, as "general analogy" or however they call it, Mars rules, particularly, I think, motors. The noise they make is very martian too I think, like agressive, also there is a sort of "combustion" inside. Men who have Martian issues are those that go down roads and downtowns making noise with their motor vehicles

In the person I m thinking, that Mars ruler of the 3rd, because of Scorpio, very angular (I follow Morinus who thinks angular planets bring forth essential analogies) is not only square Saturn, but also Uranus and Pluto in 1st, so... pretty telling. Mars is in Gemini too and all of them brothers seem to be keen on, have accidents with, or die because of, motorcycles particularly (two wheels-->double sign?)

I dont know of any transits at his time of events, was just reflecting in general, in natal charts, but your observations of transits are fine to explore the flavor of it.

They seem to speak in favor of Uranus then too, hmm. I understand that you have natal Mars in Cancer, which is you know, difficult, and rules 3rd, dont worry we all have our karma :), mine too is my worse planet, in Taurus, but there suggest more immobility, because of fixed, and indeed I dislike cars and motorbikes, dont drive in spite of having a license; your in Cancer, cardinal, in old books they call cardinal signs "movable", brings more events I speculate.

So for a general predisposition in natal charts, we could go perhaps with:

- stressed ruler of 3rd house
- undignified or stressed Mars, worse if angular, worse if ruling 3rd
- Uranus touching somehow significators of the native, like Asc, 1st house, ruler of 1st, or else 3rd

Corrections welcome. Not sure what to think of the Moon, general ruler of ... moving around :) let see if others know about this.
 
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Sweet Pea

Sweet Pea

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Accident-prone people may have a strong asteroid Ate - the Goddess of ruin, recklessness, disaster and general mischief. Try 111 in the asteroid box.
 
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Frisiangal

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Arthur Fomalhaut said:
Thank you Frisiangal,

wow, impressive personal experiences, definitely you seem to have something about it, more as a witness than a victim though. It would be interesting if your significators touch somehow your 7th house, "the others", as if it affects the others, strangers, in transits I believe is the case: the pedestrian killed, signified by the cusp of 7th, had Pluto exact opposition, Pluto in opposition eliminates things, he was eliminated, poor thing.
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I believe you work through traditional astrology?

I didn't mention it because it was not part of the Mars/3rd house significance.
My Descendant is in Pisces, thus the opposition from tr. Pluto could be associated with 'the other'.
During the period the accident would have occured, transiting Neptune did not appear to have directly made any major aspect to my chart. Yet transiting Jupiter, trad. ruler of Pisces, was in my 8th house within 1* orb
trine its natal 12th house position in Leo.

You may have ONE guess as to the profession of the pedestrian.

No doubt, as "general analogy" or however they call it, Mars rules, particularly, I think, motors.
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Yes; the engine, the ignition, the starter of anything.
It's known as 'the motor that drives' in an individual.

Men who have Martian issues are those that go down roads and downtowns making noise with their motor vehicles

In the person I m thinking, that Mars ruler of the 3rd, because of Scorpio, very angular (I follow Morinus who thinks angular planets bring forth essential analogies) is not only square Saturn, but also Uranus and Pluto in 1st, so... pretty telling. Mars is in Gemini too
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This isn't necessarily so.
My husband's house pattern is almost the same as mine. He has Mars as
ruler 3rd house Scorpio and 8th house Aries. Both are empty.
He has a Mars-Uranus conjunction straddling the Gemini M.C.....also highly aspected of his chart.
His job involved a lot of driving, and we do a lot of socialising driving. He is the most careful driver, never had a speeding ticket nor caused an accident.
BUT, accident prone?????:w00t: Broken wrists, broken ankle, fractures, been hit by 2 cars, Mars-Uranus associated physical disorders,and lived to tell the tale.

So for a general predisposition in natal charts, we could go perhaps with:

- stressed ruler of 3rd house
- undignified or stressed Mars, worse if angular, worse if ruling 3rd
- Uranus touching somehow significators of the native, like Asc, 1st house, ruler of 1st, or else 3rd
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How many cars and their drivers are on the road all over the world?
All have 'a predisposition' towards an accident occuring in them. Yet would all have the significators above....or only those who have/cause accidents?

Corrections welcome. Not sure what to think of the Moon, general ruler of ... moving around :) let see if others know about this.
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Maybe important in its transiting position to the natal chart? It does have a reputation as 'a trigger of circumstances'
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david starling

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In Ancient Rome, Saturn was god of accidents. What about Saturn opposing Mercury (god of travel) and/or Mars? The ancient Romans are said to have identified most strongly with their Moon-sign, and believed Saturn was "out to get them". Do any House/Angle patterns apply in that regard? Also, have you factored in Merc. Retro. transits?
 
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Arthur Fomalhaut

Arthur Fomalhaut

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Frisiangal said:
I believe you work through traditional astrology?

Yes, but amateurishly intermittently, only for self-counselling :) dont expect too much from me, and I dont mean to contend with you, you can talk of transits if you like, but by now in my book I go by what they told me that they are no good enough for predictions, I didnt mean to find times where accidents happen, simply from natal it is there as experience to go through, any time, but as I said it is fine to find analogies

>You may have ONE guess as to the profession of the pedestrian.
No idea :) a religious man?


>He has a Mars-Uranus conjunction straddling the Gemini M.C
His job involved a lot of driving and we do a lot of socialising driving. He is the most careful driver, never had a speeding ticket nor caused an accident.
BUT, accident prone?????:w00t: Broken wrists, broken ankle, fractures, been hit by 2 cars, Mars-Uranus associated physical disorders,and lived to tell the tale. >

Very similar to my native then, and he also drives a lot for his job! Job in traditional is the 10th, not 6th as moderns say. Now that I think about it, I recall several people that I ve seen with Mars in Gemini who have had bumps and dented their cars, it is not that have to be serious or anything, also several truck drivers, people who chose that profession.

>>How many cars and their drivers are on the road all over the world?
All have 'a predisposition' towards an accident occuring in them. Yet would all have the significators above....or only those who have/cause accidents?>>

Oh there are many people who drive all their life and never have an accident, arent there? There is no doubt in my mind that all experience can be traced back to the general energetic mix we have in us, which is depicted in the natal chart.
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Arthur Fomalhaut

Arthur Fomalhaut

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david starling said:
In Ancient Rome, Saturn was god of accidents. What about Saturn opposing Mercury (god of travel) and/or Mars? The ancient Romans are said to have identified most strongly with their Moon-sign, and believed Saturn was "out to get them". Do any House/Angle patterns apply in that regard?
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Thank you for that, I hadnt heard of it yet. About Saturn, makes sense.
About the Moon-sign, it is a good thing to say to people who put so much on Sun-signs...

As for the rest, I dont want to contend, but I go by Morinus in thinking that planets signify different things in different charts according to what they rule, unless they are angular in which case essential analogies are brought back. You know, my Venus means me, your Venus I dont know what it means until I see your chart. Since I adopted this, everything worked so much better. I dont deny that a general flavor is left in the air though. I dont believe in inherent meaning all the time at this point, but you know what a mess astrology is nowdays, who knows! :) I am open
 
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Frisiangal

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Arthur Fomalhaut said:
I dont mean to contend with you, you can talk of transits if you like, but by now in my book I go by what they told me that they are no good enough for predictions

You may have ONE guess as to the profession of the pedestrian.
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No idea :) a religious man?
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Right first time; the village priest.
So; if you based your 'guess' upon knowledge of the meaning of the planet and house concerned, doesn't a situation as per a transit also help define what a planet can mean natally as well? And vice-versa?

This was my reason for giving the examples of Mars' association with cars.

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