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Empty 2ndH, its ruler is in 12H: where else can I gain income?

Forgive me for only possessing basic knowledge of reading natal charts, but as far as I know, these are the things which influence the financial aspect of an individual:
  • 2nd House is in Aquarius >>> income regarding technology, internet and what's latest
  • ruler of 2nd House (Uranus) is in 12th House>>> what could this mean? setting up online charity? foundations? online fundraising?
  • Uranus in Capricorn in 12th house >>>????
  • Uranus conjunct Neptune>>>>???

How do I collate all of this into context in order to come up with an interpretation with regards to my personal finances? Care to fill out the blanks? Thank you.
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Hi,
I can't help you that much as I'm not sure of the answer, but I will give it a try.

First, the planetary ruler of Aquarius is I believe Saturn and not Uranus. Uranus is only used by modern astrologers, but historically it was always ruled by (is still ruled by) Saturn and Uranus is only a co-Ruler. Saturn sits in your 1st house, so that would be significant of your identity as a person (it is good Saturn is not in the 12th too). To me it suggest your identity/calling will be a means of income.

Saturn also rules Capricorn, and is your 1st house ruler. So you've got Saturn ruling those first 2 houses.

Also - WOW -- you have a massive stellium in the 12th, pouring into the 1st. I am curious how that plays out in your life too. )

I hope someone else here on the forum with more experience will chime in .

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Forgive me for only possessing basic knowledge of reading natal charts, but as far as I know, these are the things which influence the financial aspect of an individual:
  • 2nd House is in Aquarius >>> income regarding technology, internet and what's latest
  • ruler of 2nd House (Uranus) is in 12th House>>> what could this mean? setting up online charity? foundations? online fundraising?
  • Uranus in Capricorn in 12th house >>>????
  • Uranus conjunct Neptune>>>>???

How do I collate all of this into context in order to come up with an interpretation with regards to my personal finances? Care to fill out the blanks? Thank you.


As the FREE study aid shows
Saturn is the traditional ruler of both Capricorn and Aquarius
therefore an analysis of the condition of your natal Saturn brings answers
Since the reliable delineation of any factor of a natal chart can take many hours
and there are many questions on this forum
it is simply not possible for individual members to provide complete delineation to each

however

ours is an astrological learning forum
there are several guidance threads with the information your require, such as
HOUSES OF WEALTH
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Hi all

I am trying to understand more about different types of Wealth by Signs, Houses and Rulers.
I would like to open a thread and hopefully members of the forum would also find this topic interesting.


My purpose is to investigate which type/s of wealth enriches your life
and how to find these blessings in a natal chart in both traditional and modern methods.
Any different type of astrology is welcome here
!

My goal is to assist myself and everyone who reads and discusses this thread to discover their happiness in their own chart!

First of all, there are many different types of wealth in life and below are my descriptions of how I classify them...

Material Wealth vs Spiritual Wealth


Within Material Wealth, we have self-earned wealth vs inheritance, from marriage partner vs children and from irrational gambling vs rational investment. Material Wealth gives us the Power of Control in earthy matters, comfort living in physical form.

Within Non-Material/Spiritual Wealth, we have the understanding of the wisdom of God vs the understanding of the meaning of life (not necessarily related to religion), wealth of self-respect vs respect earned from others (Fame), relationships (such as happy love life, friendship and being a parent) vs personal achievement. Non-Material/Spiritual Wealth gives us the Sense of Fulfillment and internal well-being.

Anyone can share their personal understandings and experiences here!

Some interesting YouTube to watch about wealth in astrology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dprq_LgX8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=stBqCGfulXU
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.....Also - WOW -- you have a massive stellium in the 12th...

Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide were also born during those days
when all those planets were in aspect

however

those people are all different because all have different Ascendant signs
and that places those planets in any one of the 12 houses



so there is a clear reliable method of

HOW TO PROCEED WHEN TWO OR MORE PLANETS OCCUPY A HOUSE

'....When many planets occupy the same house,
The most powerful action on the house significations
is from the house ruler
then, from the exaltation ruler
then from the planet with closest natural analogy with the house meanings.
When, among many planets occupying the same house,
some correspond by their analogy to the meanings attached to the house,
whereas others are contrary to them
then ascertain which of these two groups is the most powerful.
If the former, the affairs indicated will be achieved
if the latter, their realization will be impeded or prevented........'


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'.When the planets occupying the same house are all benefics,
they anticipate the fulfillment of the good fortune
and the suppression of misfortune indicated by the house.
If they are malefics, the contrary will occur,
unless they are in good zodiacal state in a favorable house.
If some are benefics, and others malefics,
examine with care which ones of the two groups are the most powerful,
and to judge according to the result of this organization
If, in a fortunate house,
a benefic planet is followed by another benefic,
this indicates that the good produced by the house affairs will be stable.....'


HOWEVER


'..If the benefic is followed by a malefic, the fortune acquired will be lost
In an unfortunate house,
a benefic followed by another benefic indicates that the misfortune will not be realized,
or if it is,
in an extremely limited way.
If this benefic is followed by a malefic, however,
the misfortune signified by the house will certainly occur,
but the native will escape it.
But if a malefic is followed by another malefic,
the misfortunes caused will be very serious and the native will never escape them....'

source of the above information at http://www.forumonastrology.com/foa/newmain.html

BENJAMIN DYKES INTERVIEW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7LwIA9yMY



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Hi,
I can't help you that much as I'm not sure of the answer, but I will give it a try.

First, the planetary ruler of Aquarius is I believe Saturn and not Uranus. Uranus is only used by modern astrologers, but historically it was always ruled by (is still ruled by) Saturn and Uranus is only a co-Ruler. Saturn sits in your 1st house, so that would be significant of your identity as a person (it is good Saturn is not in the 12th too). To me it suggest your identity/calling will be a means of income.

Saturn also rules Capricorn, and is your 1st house ruler. So you've got Saturn ruling those first 2 houses.

Also - WOW -- you have a massive stellium in the 12th, pouring into the 1st. I am curious how that plays out in your life too. )

I hope someone else here on the forum with more experience will chime in .

Oh. I did not know that part about what is modern and not. Well that puts things into a new perspective. Thanks, I will definitely read up on how the new information fits into the equation. And yeah never mind that stellium, funny how that is what's easily noticed in my chart. I am however interested in the other aspects. Thanks again.
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Oh. I did not know that part about what is modern and not.
Well that puts things into a new perspective.
Thanks, I will definitely read up on how the new information fits into the equation. And yeah never mind that stellium, funny how that is what's easily noticed in my chart. I am however interested in the other aspects. Thanks again.
Another factor of importance when interpreting the effects of more than one planet in a house
is that the house location of any natal planet is entirely dependent on the house system chosen
a fact easily verified by using a selection of any of the fourteen different house systems
on offer at astro.com's Extended Chart Selection Page
and creating an alternative natal chart using Whole Signs

EXPLANATORY ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES ARTICLE http://www.librarising.com/astrology...ignhouses.html

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'...In no other area of astrology is there so much mess and confusion than in the area of the so-called "houses".

There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity.

In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains, represent general areas of life activity

and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.

Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable or meant the same thing.
A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries, so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today....'


WHOLE SIGNS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=42163

WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39669
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Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide were also born during those days
when all those planets were in aspect

however

those people are all different because all have different Ascendant signs
and that places those planets in any one of the 12 houses



so there is a clear reliable method of

HOW TO PROCEED WHEN TWO OR MORE PLANETS OCCUPY A HOUSE

'....When many planets occupy the same house,
The most powerful action on the house significations
is from the house ruler
then, from the exaltation ruler
then from the planet with closest natural analogy with the house meanings.
When, among many planets occupying the same house,
some correspond by their analogy to the meanings attached to the house,
whereas others are contrary to them
then ascertain which of these two groups is the most powerful.
If the former, the affairs indicated will be achieved
if the latter, their realization will be impeded or prevented........'


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'.When the planets occupying the same house are all benefics,
they anticipate the fulfillment of the good fortune
and the suppression of misfortune indicated by the house.
If they are malefics, the contrary will occur,
unless they are in good zodiacal state in a favorable house.
If some are benefics, and others malefics,
examine with care which ones of the two groups are the most powerful,
and to judge according to the result of this organization
If, in a fortunate house,
a benefic planet is followed by another benefic,
this indicates that the good produced by the house affairs will be stable.....'


HOWEVER


'..If the benefic is followed by a malefic, the fortune acquired will be lost
In an unfortunate house,
a benefic followed by another benefic indicates that the misfortune will not be realized,
or if it is,
in an extremely limited way.
If this benefic is followed by a malefic, however,
the misfortune signified by the house will certainly occur,
but the native will escape it.
But if a malefic is followed by another malefic,
the misfortunes caused will be very serious and the native will never escape them....'

source of the above information at http://www.forumonastrology.com/foa/newmain.html

BENJAMIN DYKES INTERVIEW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7LwIA9yMY




Thanks for this information. I was not asking for this but to be quite honest I haven't fully unlocked the stellium mystery so this could be a new starting point.
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Thanks for this information. I was not asking for this
but to be quite honest I haven't fully unlocked the stellium mystery
so this could be a new starting point.
That's great news!
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Me too sees Saturn as ruler of your 2nd house. Saturn is strong in domicile, angular, on North Node, conjunct Moon and trine Mars. Moon is transferring the light from Saturn to Mars, he being ruler of the 4th house. All this happening in Earthly signs!

You could profit from agriculture and treasures of the soil. You might even go Indiana Jones style and search for hidden tombs.
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You have lots of help I see. A well dignified Saturn rules your second house. You should do well financially. There are many things you could do as an occupation because Saturn rules many things. Both Venus and Saturn can be considered rulers of your 10th house of work and career. I did not read most of the responses below, but Saturn also rules all maritime occupations both on ships and in ports. So you have many possibilities in life.
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Me too sees Saturn as ruler of your 2nd house. Saturn is strong in domicile, angular, on North Node, conjunct Moon and trine Mars. Moon is transferring the light from Saturn to Mars, he being ruler of the 4th house. All this happening in Earthly signs!

You could profit from agriculture and treasures of the soil. You might even go Indiana Jones style and search for hidden tombs.
If I may ask, how will Saturn's conjunction with Moon and its trine with Mars affect the second house?

LOL I had to laugh at the Indiana Jones reference. I love Indy, you know
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Mmm, I don't know how to read finances yet, but from a practical standpoint, one's financial situation is not only based on oneself, but it is also affected by a) parents and other ancestors, b) your partner, c) your career and d) your children. It would be worth reading these factors in terms of how they deal with money.

For example, the domicile ruler of the 4th (Mars), representing one's parents and pre-decessors, is in the 5th. It is contrary to sect and is in exile (I prefer this term to "in detriment"). It is also retrograde. This tells me that probably your parent(s) is rather unstable and potentially excessive when it comes to entertainment. Due to the contrary nature of Mars in this chart, he/she may be involved in gambling, alcohol, or any other addictions. This may have an adverse effect on his/her finances, which will affect your finances as well. It's not uncommon for people to borrow money from their relatives.

Saturn on the Ascendant and well-placed tends to indicate some kind of inheritance from one's ancestors. Aside from that, Saturn, ruler of the 2nd and ruler of the Lot of Fortune in the 1st tells me that you are probably a person who is good in saving money. Thus, if you get rich, aside from those factors I mentioned above, it is also because of your personal habits towards money.
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If I may ask, how will Saturn's conjunction with Moon and its trine with Mars affect the second house?
Beneficially, I'd say. Moon is ruler of the 7th house, while Mars is natural ruler of men. It's possible that you have or that you will have a boyfriend/partner, who can help you in getting things going. Maybe he's a farmer, gardener, geologist, archaeologist or something like that...
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Hi. Each house as represents a different type of situation that we meet in life, and each situation teaches us something different about who we are, helping us to become more 'individuated'. The first house is the house of self-discovery at the most fundamental level - this house represents the experience of simply being oneself: uncompromised, subjective, autonomous.

In the 2nd house, the illusion of complete autonomy which is present in the 1st house gives way to an awareness that we need to consolidate our position. This involves identifying and using the finite resources which are available to us. So where the first house represents the experience of individuality pure and simple, the 2nd house represents the experience of being a more or less well endowed and capable individual.

For many people, this is associated with the ability to acquire and keep money or assets. But the experience of being secure and strong can be found in many ways. The zodiacal sign on the cusp of a house says something about the values and priorities that colour our approach to the type of experiences associated with the house. Aquarius values the coming together of people of like mind to enjoy one another's company and/or to pursue some progressive humanitarian aim. So this is the most natural way for you to define yourself in terms of your talents and abilities, and to put them to use.

This could mean that humanitarian principles prevent you from wanting to hoard wealth for your own personal security. It could also mean that being able to connect with people who share your cultural tastes and ideals helps you to feel more worthy and secure as an individual. In some cases, this chart feature could mean that a person is able to pick up on the latest innovations and make money from them. It could be that you need to earn a living doing something that is mentally stimulating and/or which makes you feel like you are contributing to the common good or the evolution of humanity.

Capricorn is so strong in this chart, that everything must be related back to Capricornian values and priorities, especially with regard to the 2nd house, since - as has been pointed out - both of Aquarius' rulers are in this sign. Capricorn and Aquarius have in common a need to integrate into society, but there is tension between these signs. But just as the 2nd house follows the first, so Aquarius follows Capricorn. Capricorn on the ascendant suggests that the experience of being an autonomous and individual will be fulfilled through defining and fulfilling a role within some collective - doing this with integrity, and not letting the Capricornian social awareness and sense of responsibility to lead to excessive conformity. As a result of pursuing this path, you will develop an understanding of what society is and what it needs, and you will make contacts - Aquarian things which will make you feel more secure as an individual.

One should always try to find a vocation which allows the Sun sign to be expressed. Again, Sagittarius has a collective orientation, but you will need to pursue Sagittarian priorities as an act of individualised solar creativity, especially since the Sun is in mutual reception with Jupiter (these planets are in one another's signs).

The need for mental stimulation is also shown by Mercury conjunct Uranus, and interestingly the planet naturally associated with the 2nd house - Venus - forms a close stellium with these planets, with Venus also ruling the mid-heaven if the birth time is accurate.

Mars is in Taurus, the sign naturally associated with the 2nd house - the sign which prioritises the use of resources to achieve personal security. Its close trine to Moon in Capricorn in the 1st suggests a capacity for sustained hard work, while its close sesquiquadrate to Neptune in the 12th suggests a need to work for the underdog. Mars in the 5th needs to take the initiative in experiences in which you feel special and creative.

The general emphasis on the 12th house is also going to dominate everything that you do, including earning an income. With so many planets in this house, you will need to undergo experiences of surrendering to the needs of some collective, or to the yearnings of your own deep unconscious - the two are likely to be more or less the same much of the time, such is the porous nature of the 12th house. Uranus in the 12th adds to the likelihood of you entering into a 12th house activity which involves picking up some new need in the collective.
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