Pallas-trine-Mars
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And you will too when I explain. I guess this is the right thread, if not, will someone move it? To all you traditional astrologers out there, please don't put a hit out on me, I'm just stating an opinion, I can't change the Tetrabiblos (no one is above the criticism of this Virgo asc native!)
This is in regards to triplicity rulership, a concept almost entirely abandoned by modern astrology. To me, this concept is simply a bad idea (even number of signs, odd number of planets, that should've told Ptolemy right there that the idea was moot, but he made it anyway). We could make 7 planets rule 12 signs evenly, but when it came down to triplicities (8 sects but only 7 planets) it was either not possible to acomodate everyone perfectly, or Ptolemy was just wrong. Let me explain:
First up is the Fire triplicity: In the Tetrabiblos, Ptolemy place this triplicity with the Sun by day (The Sun is the king and undeniably takes his prefered sect) and Jupiter by night. These planets were chosen because they both are associated with the fire element by domicile and are of the day sect; even though Mars is more firey in nature than either of these planets, he just has to back up and wait til Ptolemy could find a spot for him, being of the nocturnal sect because he's too hot (the irony, too hot for the fire element)!
Next up is Earth: Three feminine signs, so just toss the girly planets at them! Venus by day because the Queen Moon must have the the cool night, her preferred time (though her association with Earth here makes her technically debilitated in her own sign wtf?). Poor Venus, ruling the dry Earth signs by hot daylight, where she can't just 'blend in' to a social atmosphere like she'd like to. Only one of the Earth signs (her own Taurus) has any respect for her at all, one ignores her (Virgo) the other too busy fighting for success and recognition to care about love, emotion, art and beauty (Capricorn, exaltation of Mars, though Ptolemy says Venus is more comfortable here by day, I still suspect she's naturally peregrine here). This combo doesn't really work well I think.
Next up is Air, and this one is the most perfect of all! Ok, Mars, I'm sorry, you're just gonna have to keep waiting because you have nothing to do with this element (Mars is probably back somewhere burning ants with a magnifying glass or charging around screaming losing what little patience he has!) Because Saturn is so extremely cold, he is easier to put up with by day, and so this is his natural sect and the one by which he controls the Air triplicity. It works because he already rule(s/d) Aquaurius, where he was though to be happier than in Capricorn(?) and is exalted in the other Air sign Libra. Mercury has no sect, so the nocturnal one is fine for him. It also completes it because Mercury rules the other Air sign Gemini! Each Air sign has representation here!
Last element: Water. Any water-natured (cold and wet) planets left to associate this element? No? Any feminine planets? No? Any water rulers? Oh, I guess there's... Mars? Well, he rules Scorpio... Ok, Mars, if you'll kindly stop chasing that pack of wolves we've got a place for you!
Mars (has a loud, shrill voice): "Really?! It's about time! Where?"
The Water triplicity! Mars is dazed and says nothing. And you can have the whole thing because there's no one left to do it. "What am I suppose to do with the *&^%#@ water triplicity!? Yeah, my sign kicks ^ss, but that confused fish one!? And the mama's-boy crab that always worries too much to take care of business! I can't have this, give me the fire triplicty!" Sorry, Sun and Jupiter have that one, you'll have to take this one, so sayeth Ptolemy. It works partly because the water element is cocerned about survival, but logically it makes no sense at all! Water (cold and wet) kills fire (hot and dry), plus this element is mostly such worriers to just take Mars'... "suggestions" of impulsive action and violence.
Had he known about Neptune, he might've (or might not've I don't know) assigned it to the water triplicity by day, but traditionally to this element of fruitful signs, it should be Jupiter, the fruitful planet, that rules by both sects and Mars (considered a sterile planet) who gets the night sect of the Fire triplicity. Perhaps Venus and Saturn should switch? Honestly, there's holes in the whole system.
Maybe what Ptolemy should've thought of is one planet to rule each element, and the other three to rule a modality, such as:
Fire: Mars (Both hot and dry or Sun)
Air: Jupiter (Both hot and wet or social Venus or Mercury)
Earth: Saturn (Both cold and dry or physical Venus)
Water: Moon (Both cold and wet or also feminine Venus [I know, I just put venus possibly 3 places!])
Car: Sun (Creators or Mars)
Fix: Venus (Maintains)
Mut: Mercury (Changeable)
Just some thoughts.
This is in regards to triplicity rulership, a concept almost entirely abandoned by modern astrology. To me, this concept is simply a bad idea (even number of signs, odd number of planets, that should've told Ptolemy right there that the idea was moot, but he made it anyway). We could make 7 planets rule 12 signs evenly, but when it came down to triplicities (8 sects but only 7 planets) it was either not possible to acomodate everyone perfectly, or Ptolemy was just wrong. Let me explain:
First up is the Fire triplicity: In the Tetrabiblos, Ptolemy place this triplicity with the Sun by day (The Sun is the king and undeniably takes his prefered sect) and Jupiter by night. These planets were chosen because they both are associated with the fire element by domicile and are of the day sect; even though Mars is more firey in nature than either of these planets, he just has to back up and wait til Ptolemy could find a spot for him, being of the nocturnal sect because he's too hot (the irony, too hot for the fire element)!
Next up is Earth: Three feminine signs, so just toss the girly planets at them! Venus by day because the Queen Moon must have the the cool night, her preferred time (though her association with Earth here makes her technically debilitated in her own sign wtf?). Poor Venus, ruling the dry Earth signs by hot daylight, where she can't just 'blend in' to a social atmosphere like she'd like to. Only one of the Earth signs (her own Taurus) has any respect for her at all, one ignores her (Virgo) the other too busy fighting for success and recognition to care about love, emotion, art and beauty (Capricorn, exaltation of Mars, though Ptolemy says Venus is more comfortable here by day, I still suspect she's naturally peregrine here). This combo doesn't really work well I think.
Next up is Air, and this one is the most perfect of all! Ok, Mars, I'm sorry, you're just gonna have to keep waiting because you have nothing to do with this element (Mars is probably back somewhere burning ants with a magnifying glass or charging around screaming losing what little patience he has!) Because Saturn is so extremely cold, he is easier to put up with by day, and so this is his natural sect and the one by which he controls the Air triplicity. It works because he already rule(s/d) Aquaurius, where he was though to be happier than in Capricorn(?) and is exalted in the other Air sign Libra. Mercury has no sect, so the nocturnal one is fine for him. It also completes it because Mercury rules the other Air sign Gemini! Each Air sign has representation here!
Last element: Water. Any water-natured (cold and wet) planets left to associate this element? No? Any feminine planets? No? Any water rulers? Oh, I guess there's... Mars? Well, he rules Scorpio... Ok, Mars, if you'll kindly stop chasing that pack of wolves we've got a place for you!
Mars (has a loud, shrill voice): "Really?! It's about time! Where?"
The Water triplicity! Mars is dazed and says nothing. And you can have the whole thing because there's no one left to do it. "What am I suppose to do with the *&^%#@ water triplicity!? Yeah, my sign kicks ^ss, but that confused fish one!? And the mama's-boy crab that always worries too much to take care of business! I can't have this, give me the fire triplicty!" Sorry, Sun and Jupiter have that one, you'll have to take this one, so sayeth Ptolemy. It works partly because the water element is cocerned about survival, but logically it makes no sense at all! Water (cold and wet) kills fire (hot and dry), plus this element is mostly such worriers to just take Mars'... "suggestions" of impulsive action and violence.
Had he known about Neptune, he might've (or might not've I don't know) assigned it to the water triplicity by day, but traditionally to this element of fruitful signs, it should be Jupiter, the fruitful planet, that rules by both sects and Mars (considered a sterile planet) who gets the night sect of the Fire triplicity. Perhaps Venus and Saturn should switch? Honestly, there's holes in the whole system.
Maybe what Ptolemy should've thought of is one planet to rule each element, and the other three to rule a modality, such as:
Fire: Mars (Both hot and dry or Sun)
Air: Jupiter (Both hot and wet or social Venus or Mercury)
Earth: Saturn (Both cold and dry or physical Venus)
Water: Moon (Both cold and wet or also feminine Venus [I know, I just put venus possibly 3 places!])
Car: Sun (Creators or Mars)
Fix: Venus (Maintains)
Mut: Mercury (Changeable)
Just some thoughts.
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